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Centerfield
Nov 04 2009 07:40 AM

LeMoyne? Really?

soupcan
Nov 04 2009 07:47 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I'm hitching my wagon to 'an exhibition game'.

cooby
Nov 04 2009 08:15 AM
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This is the second time I have heard of Lemoyne in the past day but I can't remember what the first time was. Weird.
FYI I doubt it was in reference to the Syracuse game

Fman99
Nov 04 2009 10:23 AM
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Seriously.

Methead
Nov 04 2009 10:31 AM
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I'm with soup. Gotta figure Boeheim's trying a lot of different lineups with these new guys and seeing what works.

Wes Johnson lit it up. They said he could play... he's gonna be a big part of the team. Instant veteran leadership too, I hope.

I also like Triche and Southerland. Should be fun watching those guys develop.

Nymr83
Nov 04 2009 07:45 PM
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i was cracking up (and calling cuse fans) it was great

Methead
Nov 08 2009 11:11 AM
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Well they start playing real games tomorrow. Should be a nice distraction from this disaster of a football season.

Nymr83
Nov 08 2009 04:08 PM
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9pm tommorow against SUNY Albany... if they find a way to lose that game then all my friends who are Syracuse fans will probably have to turn their phones off.

Centerfield
Nov 09 2009 07:56 AM
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I am so looking forward to something other than the Mets.

Go 'Cuse! Let's not have the worst season ever!

MFS62
Nov 09 2009 08:38 AM
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Oh, the thread title refers to them rolling over a creampuff basketball team.
I thought it was about their football team.

Later

Rockin' Doc
Nov 09 2009 11:02 AM
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No the thread title refers to a creampuff shockingly beating the Orange. In an exhibition game that was the unofficial battle for Syracuse superiority the LeMoyne Dolphins stunned Syracuse with an 82-79 victory.

Methead
Nov 09 2009 09:08 PM
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800!

Centerfield
Nov 10 2009 07:54 AM
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Wes Johnson looks like he's going to be a lot of fun to watch this year. I'm looking forward to the season. Triche was a bit disappointing, but I think he will get better.

I don't know if it was just Albany, but their defense looked great.

soupcan
Nov 10 2009 08:55 AM
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[url]http://videos.syracuse.com/post-standard/2009/11/jim_boeheim_800_wins_-_music_v.html

Methead
Nov 11 2009 04:44 PM
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So... if you go to channelsurfing.net and scroll down a bit, there's a link that will pop a window up containing a live stream of the SU/Robert Morris game at 7:00.

I'm just saying.

soupcan
Nov 11 2009 07:21 PM
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Damn - saw that too late.

Methead
Nov 11 2009 07:37 PM
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Check there in the future anytime the game isn't on TV locally.

Team looks good to me this year. I know the competition hasn't been incredible yet, but Albany and Robert Morris are both recent NCAA tournament teams. SU has strength, quickness, length, and a good mix of veterans and kids. And from the looks of it, a decent bench this year too.

Wesley Johnson - by the way - is awesome.

I know I say this every year but I like the way this team is built... and based on the kids coming in next year, things look good for the future too.

We'll have a better idea how good they really are next week... they go out west to play #13 ranked California.

Centerfield
Nov 12 2009 07:45 AM
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Wow, it is so much fun to watch a team that is not the Mets.

Methead
Nov 16 2009 02:59 PM
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[quote="Methead":1tmoy55p]
We'll have a better idea how good they really are next week... they go out west to play #13 ranked California.[/quote:1tmoy55p]

I saw on the schedule this was an away game and figured it was in CA... but it's part of a mini-tournament at MSG.

I should know better than to assume SU would travel 3000 miles in November.

Fman99
Nov 19 2009 09:39 AM
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Looking forward to tonight's game, Cal should give them a good test. Being aired in wonderful HD on ESPN2.

soupcan
Nov 19 2009 02:02 PM
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Just scored a ticket to the game at the Garden tonight.

Who's He?! So What?! Who Cares?! Big Deal!! Big Shit!!

Fman99
Nov 19 2009 08:24 PM
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Good stuff tonight.

Methead
Nov 19 2009 09:29 PM
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Cuse is in the house.

Nymr83
Nov 19 2009 10:46 PM
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[quote="soupcan":1weqluzi]Just scored a ticket to the game at the Garden tonight.

Who's He?! So What?! Who Cares?! Big Deal!! Big Shit!![/quote:1weqluzi]

by "scored" i assume you mean "walked up to the box office where they were still abundant, and paid as little as $10," thats what we did. two fairly boring games. will probably go back tommorow.

soupcan
Nov 20 2009 06:45 AM
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By 'scored' I mean that someone had an extra and called me.

I didn't stay for the second but the first was very enjoyable and I wasn't bored.

Methead
Nov 20 2009 07:34 AM
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I imagine SU will have to approach tonight's game the same way they did against Kansas in the '03 championship... get their asses back on defense, because the other guys are gonna try to run like crazy.

Of course, our guys like to run a lot too. Should be fun to watch.

soupcan
Nov 20 2009 08:17 AM
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I didn't watch a whole lot of the UNC-OSU game last night, but I was talking to a Carolina fan during the SU game and he was telling me that the Carolina team is young, can't shoot and from what he's seen so far - will not be able to handle the zone.

If SU plays tonight like they did last night - defense, transition - they'll give Carolina all they can handle. Methead - you were dead on about Wes Johnson. He looked great.

Methead
Nov 20 2009 08:31 AM
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True, UNC lost a ton of players from last year's team. I'm just assuming any team coached by Roy Williams is gonna run.

I'm definitely hoping the zone will give NC fits. It seems like every guy on the roster is perfectly suited to play it. Last night's TV crew kept saying how the zone is even better since SU's guards are all huge. Rautins, Scoop, and Triche are all a lot bigger than Flynn was.

And how cool is it to have a Triche on the team again? I think he should try growing a mustache.

soupcan
Nov 20 2009 08:41 AM
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[quote="Methead":7wmyjaz3]I'm definitely hoping the zone will give NC fits. It seems like every guy on the roster is perfectly suited to play it. Last night's TV crew kept saying how the zone is even better since SU's guards are all huge. Rautins, Scoop, and Triche are all a lot bigger than Flynn was.[/quote:7wmyjaz3]

And it was noticiable too. You could actually see the difference the longer bodies were making on defense.

[quote="Methead":7wmyjaz3]And how cool is it to have a Triche on the team again? I think he should try growing a mustache.[/quote:7wmyjaz3]

That was something else I noticed - how Triche is not Howard's son but his nephew, and there is a definite resemblance.

Rockin' Doc
Nov 20 2009 10:44 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 20 2009 06:07 PM

Don't kid yourself, UNC may have lost a boatload of talent (Hansbrough, Lawson, Ellington*, Green, and Fraser) from last years team, but they are still loaded and very good. This Tar Heel team isn't a sure fire, virtually unbeatable Final Four lock as was last years team and that seems to make some of their fans a little pessimistc regarding this season. UNC fans like to lament their youth and lack of an experienced point guard on this edition of the team, but their front line is quite formidable with Ed Davis, Deon Thompson, and Tyler Zeller being backed by a top notch freshmen big man Henson. Carolina will come at their opponents in waves and will run at every opportunity. They like to push the tempo in hopes aof creating a high scoring contest.

That said, as a Duke fan, I wish Syracuse all the best of luck and success tonight.


Upon Edit: I forgot to include Wayne Ellington amongst the firepower lost from the 2008-09 UNC team.

Centerfield
Nov 20 2009 12:39 PM
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[quote="soupcan":2srq4xe6][quote="Methead":2srq4xe6]I'm definitely hoping the zone will give NC fits. It seems like every guy on the roster is perfectly suited to play it. Last night's TV crew kept saying how the zone is even better since SU's guards are all huge. Rautins, Scoop, and Triche are all a lot bigger than Flynn was.[/quote:2srq4xe6]

And it was noticiable too. You could actually see the difference the longer bodies were making on defense.

[quote="Methead":2srq4xe6]And how cool is it to have a Triche on the team again? I think he should try growing a mustache.[/quote:2srq4xe6]

That was something else I noticed - how Triche is not Howard's son but his nephew, and there is a definite resemblance.[/quote:2srq4xe6]

Replacing Harris with Wes Johnson also helps the zone. Too funny about Triche's moustache.

I'm kicking myself for not setting the DVR. I only saw the last few minutes when they let that really small white guy run the point.

soupcan
Nov 20 2009 12:44 PM
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[quote="Centerfield":3ua8p5es]I'm kicking myself for not setting the DVR. I only saw the last few minutes when they let that really small white guy run the point.[/quote:3ua8p5es]

Of all the years I've been watching SU hoops that kid (Reese is his name I think) has gotten more minutes than any walk-on I can remember. Of course a lot of them were piled up in the 6OT game against UConn, but still.

Methead
Nov 20 2009 02:18 PM
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[url]http://www.suathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4936

Seeing his picture makes me think my little guy might have a future in hoops.

Pretty impressive bio, though.

Rockin' Doc
Nov 20 2009 06:33 PM
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Syracuse hanging tough, but trail by one at the half. Johnson is looking good, but he needs some help. He's made more baskets (6) than any of his teammates have even attempted. In typical Carolina fashion, they are up 10 points from the free throw line on 15 attempts from the stripe to 4 for Syracuse.

Methead
Nov 20 2009 07:28 PM
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WOOHOO!

soupcan
Nov 20 2009 07:49 PM
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Kick-ass effort tonight! Fun game to watch.

Who knew Arinze was their best FT shooter?

Fman99
Nov 20 2009 07:52 PM
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They dominated on both sides of the ball. They can score inside or outside, they rebound, they play the zone without leaving the holes open, and they seem more unselfish than the big egos of Harris, Devendorf and Flynn all carried around.

Wes Johnson is a force.

God damned, I am excited for this season.

Rockin' Doc
Nov 20 2009 08:17 PM
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Very good win for Syracuse. They dominated the second half by exploiting Carolina's poor ball handling and holding their own on the boards.

Syracuse looked good.

soupcan
Nov 20 2009 08:49 PM
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How's Duke looking this year Doc?

Rockin' Doc
Nov 20 2009 10:34 PM
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[quote="soupcan":18h5z4ks]How's Duke looking this year Doc?[/quote:18h5z4ks]

Similar to UNC actually. This is the biggest team Duke has had in several years with 4 players in the rotation that are 6'10" or taller. All that size has allowed the teams best player, Kyle Singler, to move to the small forward position that he is best suited for. They are thin at the guard position. The early entry in the NBA draft by Gerald Henderson and the medical hardship transfer of Elliot Williams to Memphis so he could be closer to his mother who was diagnosed with cancer, has left with only three scholarship guards. All three are actually shooting guards, so ball handling and dealing ball pressure could be a problem. Early on, this team has shown a propensity to run more than in recent years and they are using a deeper rotation so far this season. However, it is early in the season and they haven't faced a strong opponent yet this season, so it will be interesting to see how they develop as the year progresses. They should be a good, but not great team.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 22 2009 09:59 AM
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Late-blooming Wes Johnson's five inch growth spurt spells trouble for Syracuse foes

Johnson shines in Big Apple spotlight
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NEW YORK -- To better understand what it's like to play in Madison Square Garden, Wesley Johnson went to the perfect source.

He asked Gerry McNamara for a little insight. The same McNamara who turned the famed arena into a Scranton high school pep rally during the Orange's unforgettable sprint to a 2006 Big East tournament title.

Now a graduate assistant on the Syracuse bench, McNamara offered simple advice.

"He told me, 'When the lights go up, you'll know it,'" Johnson said.

And now everyone else will know Johnson. The Syracuse junior lived a dream as old as the city itself: the unknown talent stepping into the Big Apple spotlight and becoming an overnight sensation.

Johnson scored 25 points and tacked on eight rebounds, carrying Syracuse to an 87-71 win over No. 4 North Carolina that was as stunning as it was dominant.

Rumors of the Orange's demise after losing three guys to the NBA early are apparently greatly exaggerated, as was the hand-wringing over the loss to Division II Le Moyne in a preseason game.

The Orange looked so efficient on offense and gruesomely tough on defense, they more resembled a team playing in March than in mid-November. North Carolina, a squad that looked pretty impressive dismantling Ohio State for 38 minutes the night before, got all but run out of the gym, digging a trench by opening the second half on the wrong end of a 22-1 run.

A late Tar Heels rally, which cut it to eight, was heroic but short-lived. In two minutes, SU was back up 14 and coasting to a victory.

"We got our tails beat by a very good basketball team," UNC coach Roy Williams said. "I would hate to play that non-Division I team [Le Moyne] on a regular basis if they are better than Syracuse."

The doubting Thomases indeed have received their comeuppance. Syracuse not only has restored itself as the best team in New York (sorry, Siena) but certainly has elevated itself to the top of the Big East.

And the difference is Johnson.

In two games in New York, he scored 42 points and pulled in 19 rebounds, earning most outstanding player honors for the mini-tourney and allowing his coach a moment to gloat.

"I told you so," Jim Boeheim said. "What have I been saying? I told you so. Have I ever lied about a player?"

True enough, Boeheim had been touting Johnson for the past year. But the former Iowa State player was not allowed to play in games because of NCAA transfer rules, so no one outside the program had actually seen him play. He was like an urban legend or a tall tale, the double-top-secret mystery player who was rumored to be eating up guys in practice. The one who made assistant coach Rob Murphy say, "If we had him last year, we're a Final Four team with a chance to win it."

Only problem was, who the hell was Wes Johnson?

Coming out of tiny Corsicana, Texas, Johnson wasn't under the radar. He was off the radar. A 6-2 guard, he was just another guy on the court, a maybe two-star prospect who had just one offer -- to Louisiana-Monroe -- and decided to go to prep school to boost his profile. After a brief stay at the Patterson School in North Carolina and a year at Eldon Academy in Michigan, he managed to score a scholarship to Iowa State.

"He was really under-recruited, just a late bloomer," Boeheim said.

Like the classic understudy waiting in the wings, Johnson showed flashes at ISU of what he could become. A Big 12 all-freshman selection, he averaged 12.3 points and 7.9 rebounds his first season but was slowed by an ankle injury as a sophomore.

During that frustrating season, Johnson said, his relationship with coach Greg McDermott deteriorated and he decided to transfer.

It was a long wait for Johnson after transferring from Iowa State. It seems well worth it at this point.

And that's where this rags-to-riches story finds its pixie dust and fairy godmothers. The summer before he transferred, Johnson went to stay with his brother, Craig Carroll, who lives in Detroit. Murphy, who spent three years as a high school coach there, started getting calls from people.

"They kept telling me, 'You have to see this kid, he's really good,'" Murphy recalled.

And because those same people told Johnson they could trust Murphy, when the Syracuse assistant called, Johnson listened.

He decided to visit campus and immediately liked what he saw.

Murphy, meantime, was working on Boeheim. In his 34 years at Syracuse, the coach has been loath to take transfers, always figuring there's a reason a kid is looking to leave a school.

Here comes the pixie dust: Boeheim attended an event at nearby Turning Stone casino and ran into McDermott. The Iowa State coach didn't have a bad thing to say about Johnson and assured Boeheim he was a good kid.

Forty-eight hours after Johnson visited Syracuse, he decided to cancel visits to Ohio State, Pitt and West Virginia and told Murphy he would play for the Orange.

"I had a feeling Paul [Harris], Eric [Devendorf] and Jonny [Flynn] would leave after last year," Boeheim said. "So I knew we would need him."

What no one knew, or at least no one outside the Syracuse coaching staff, was just how good Johnson was. The 6-2 scrawny kid has grown into a 6-7 monster who can break ankles with a crossover and drain a 3 with ease.

Against North Carolina, Boeheim switched Johnson to the 4, and the Heels were rendered helpless. He sank 10-of-17 from the floor, including four 3-pointers, over players who simply didn't have the speed or talent to keep up with him.

It was exactly the sort of night Johnson envisioned when he spoke with McNamara. Some kids might be overwhelmed by the grandiosity of such a stage, but soft-spoken Johnson welcomed the full spotlight.

"This is Madison Square Garden," Johnson said simply when asked about making such a (near) Broadway debut, "a chance to play the defending national champions. Of course I thought about it."

And just as McNamara said, when the lights went on, Johnson knew it and became an overnight sensation.

There should be a name for a story like this.

"A Star Is Born"?

Is that taken?

Dana O'Neil covers college basketball for ESPN.com and can be reached at espnoneil@live.com.


Centerfield
Nov 23 2009 07:26 AM
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This is so much fun. I remember now why I follow sports.

soupcan
Nov 23 2009 07:40 AM
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Not that this is anything to really crow about, but in Saturday's gridiron match-up the lowly 4-7 Syracuse football team beat the ranked and bowl-bound 7-3 Rutgers team 31-13.

First conference win this year for the Orange and they had 6 starters out.

It's been a sad state of affairs that year-in and out Rutgers now has a consistently better football team. It was nice to stop the bleeding for a bit against them.

All in all, not a bad weekend to be a Syracuse fan.

Centerfield
Nov 23 2009 12:06 PM
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And they debut on the poll at #10. Awesome.

Methead
Nov 23 2009 12:49 PM
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Whoa.

soupcan
Nov 23 2009 02:09 PM
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#9 in the ESPN poll.

soupcan
Nov 24 2009 07:48 AM
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Methead - channelsurfing.net is not helping me with regard to tonight's game...Any ideas?

Methead
Nov 24 2009 01:32 PM
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Hmm. Supposedly it's on ESPN360... it may show up on channelsurfing later today, or maybe search for it on justin.tv

Other than that, I dunno. This stuff can be hit or miss.

Centerfield
Nov 24 2009 03:13 PM
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Is that a channel? Or an internet thingy?

Methead
Nov 24 2009 05:00 PM
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It's a web-based subscription thing. The game apparently isn't being televised.

soupcan
Nov 24 2009 06:07 PM
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Yeah - bummer.

Anyway - 'Cuse up 42-36 at the half. Cornell trying to smother them with 3s hitting 9 of 16 so far.

Methead
Nov 24 2009 07:25 PM
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They pushed the lead to 20 pretty quickly in the 2nd half.

So far, this team is developing the same 2nd-half reputation that the '03 team had.

Centerfield
Nov 25 2009 09:01 AM
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That team started out unranked too. I'm just saying.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 25 2009 09:11 AM
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[quote="Centerfield":17rnb5li]That team started out unranked too. I'm just saying.[/quote:17rnb5li]

The '02-'03 team, just like this year's team, also benefited from their star forward's unanticipated growth spurt. Carmelo Anthony was not thought of as a can't miss superstar who was destined to star in the NBA and thus, likley to leave after one season of college ball when he was recruited. But by the time Syracuse was deep into their Big East conference shedule in early 2003, Carmelo was six inches taller than when he had first arrived at the SU campus.

soupcan
Nov 25 2009 05:36 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 25 2009 07:15 PM

The news just keeps getting better...

When was the last time they had a good 7' center...Seikaly?


For Immediate Release: 11/25/09
Contact: Pete Moore

Four Sign Men’s Basketball Letters-of-Intent With Syracuse


Fabricio (Fab) de Melo leads
Syracuse basketball's highly
touted recruiting class.


SYRACUSE, N.Y- Syracuse head men’s basketball coach Jim Boeheim has announced that C.J. Fair, Baye Moussa Keita, Fabricio (Fab) de Melo, and Dion Waiters have signed National Letters of Intent (NLI) to play for the Orange next season.

Fair, a Baltimore product who attends Brewster Academy (N.H.), is a 6-8 forward. He is rated the 45th-best prospect in the Class of 2010 by Rivals.com, 48th by Scout.com and 59th by ESPNU. Fair began his high-school career at Baltimore City College. As a sophomore, he earned All-Metro honors after helping his squad to the state semifinals. Fair averaged 20.3 points and six rebounds per outing. Fair was slowed during his junior campaign by knee surgery he had during the summer. He played AAU with the Baltimore Stars, coached by Duane Davis.

Keita is enrolled at Oak Hill Academy (Va.), where he plays for veteran Coach Steve Smith. He is a 6-10 forward who is from Senegal. Following his sophomore season, he participated in the Jordan Brand Classic’s International Game at Madison Square Garden and the Nike Global Challenge in Portland. He is rated the 19th-best center by Scout.com.

A number of other former SU players, including Carmelo Anthony and Eric Devendorf, competed at Oak Hill Academy.

de Melo, a 7-0, 267-pound center, is a native of Brazil who is attending Sagemont (Fla.) High School. He is ranked fifth overall and second among centers in the Class of 2010 according to Rivals.com. Scout.com has de Melo rated 25th overall and third among centers. The ESPNU ratings had him 20th overall and second among centers. His high school coach is Adam Ross. de Melo did not start playing basketball competitively until the ninth grade. He was a member of the Brazilian 17-and-under national team. He transferred into the Florida High School Athletic Association a year ago and had to sit out a season. He is eligible this winter. de Melo participated at the King James Classic last spring with the AAU Florida Rams. He earned first-team honors at the NBA Players Association Top 100 Camp conducted at the University of Virginia.

Waiters is a 6-3 guard at Life Center Academy (N.J.) and the cousin of current Syracuse performer Scoop Jardine. He attended South Kent School (Conn.) for one year before enrolling at Life Center Academy. Waiters missed his junior campaign with an ankle injury. He is listed as the 14th-best recruit and the third-best shooting guard in the Class of 2010 by ESPNU. Waiters is also ranked 18th overall and fifth among shooting guards by Scout.com and 29th by Rivals.com. Waiters participated in the LeBron James Skills Academy during the summer.

ESPN’s Scout Inc. rated the Syracuse class as the fourth-best in the nation behind Memphis, Ohio State and North Carolina. Scout.com also ranked the Syracuse class fourth overall.

The National Letter-of-Intent program was started in 1964. Administered by the Collegiate Commissioners Association (CCA), the program was designed with prospective student-athletes in mind. A signed letter-of-intent indicates a prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the designated college or university for one academic year. Institutions agree to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year to the student-athlete, provided the student-athlete is admitted to the institution and is eligible for financial aid under NCAA rules.

Methead
Nov 25 2009 06:48 PM
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Exactly.

soupcan
Nov 26 2009 08:21 AM
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#7 Duke -v- #13 UConn in the NIT Season Tip-Off final.

Rockin' Doc -v- Namor, 2 men enter, 1 man leave....

Centerfield
Nov 27 2009 09:13 AM
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You mean Craig Forth wasn't good enough for you?

Kidding. Seikaly was 6'10". The last time they had a good 7' center was never.

Methead
Nov 27 2009 10:36 AM
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Yeah, and this guy's listed at 267 pounds!

soupcan
Nov 27 2009 02:49 PM
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No way Seikaly was 'only' 6'10". If he wasn't 7', then he had to be at least 6'11". Coleman was 6'10" and Rony was the taller of the two.

soupcan
Nov 28 2009 09:38 AM
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[quote="soupcan":1jfhl44o]#7 Duke -v- #13 UConn in the NIT Season Tip-Off final.

Rockin' Doc -v- Namor, 2 men enter, 1 man leave....[/quote:1jfhl44o]


Duke tops UConn 68-59.

Methead
Nov 30 2009 10:29 AM
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It was nice to be up in Syracuse for Thanksgiving. Got to watch the Columbia game on TV (excellent 2nd half again).

Visited Marshall Street, walked through Manny's, got a new pair of sneakers at J. Michaels. Went to dinner at Aunt Josie's, took the little guy to the zoo. Felt a little weird being a tourist in my own territory.

soupcan
Nov 30 2009 12:35 PM
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I'm taking my eldest son up there in Feb. for the Villanova game. Very much looking forward to it.

The new polls are out by the way and Syracuse is #8 in the AP and #7 in the ESPN/USA Today.

AP Top 25
1. Kansas (63) 5-0 1,623
2. Texas (1) 5-0 1,508
3. Villanova 6-0 1,442
4. Purdue 5-0 1,389
5. Kentucky 6-0 1,333
6. Duke 6-0 1,316
7. West Virginia 5-0 1,238
8. Syracuse (1) 6-0 1,183
9. Michigan State 5-1 1,109
10. North Carolina 6-1 961
11. Tennessee 5-1 936
12. Washington 5-0 893
13. Florida 6-0 777
14. Connecticut 4-1 742
15. Ohio State 5-1 702
16. Georgetown 4-0 588
17. Gonzaga 5-1 491
18. Clemson 6-1 426
19. Texas A&M 5-1 284
20. Louisville 4-1 252
21. Florida State 6-1 219
22. Cincinnati 4-1 205
23. Butler 4-2 200
24. UNLV 5-0 191
25. Portland 5-1 120

ESPN/USA Today Poll
1. Kansas (30) 5-0 774
2. Texas 5-0 730
3. Villanova 6-0 685
4. Kentucky 6-0 646
5. Duke (1) 6-0 642
6. Purdue 5-0 632
7. Syracuse 6-0 587
8. West Virginia 5-0 586
9. Michigan State 5-1 532
10. Washington 5-0 458
11. North Carolina 6-1 452
12. Tennessee 5-1 403
13. Connecticut 4-1 356
14. Georgetown 4-0 316
15. Ohio State 5-1 309
16. Gonzaga 5-1 270
17. Florida 6-0 244
18. Louisville 4-1 156
19. Clemson 6-1 142
20. Butler 4-2 132
21. UNLV 5-0 101
22. Texas A&M 5-1 93
23. Georgia Tech 4-1 92
24. Cincinnati 4-1 82
25. California 4-2 75

Fman99
Nov 30 2009 01:44 PM
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Playing Colgate tonight, I suspect it will be aired locally thanks to Time Warner.

I am looking at possibly going to see them play against Memphis on January 6th. Need to arrange child care so I can buy tickets for myself and Fwife.

Methead
Nov 30 2009 05:45 PM
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SU leads Colgate 47-16 at the half.

This team isn't fucking around.

HahnSolo
Dec 02 2009 02:57 PM
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[quote="Methead":td15i7h9]SU leads Colgate 47-16 at the half.

This team isn't fucking around.[/quote:td15i7h9]

Crest is impressed.

soupcan
Dec 03 2009 08:03 AM
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SU-Maine to be televised on SNY on Saturday night at 7:00pm.

Methead
Dec 05 2009 05:56 PM
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60-12 at the half.

Yowza.

Edgy DC
Dec 05 2009 08:31 PM
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That's cruel.

Frayed Knot
Dec 06 2009 07:05 AM
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LeMoyne, Albany, Colgate, Maine, Cornell ... was St Mary's School for the Blind all booked up?


I know this goes on everywhere so I'm not just picking on Syracuse here - but the pre-league part of college hoops is pretty silly for the most part. It seems to be 90+% scheduled blowouts designed to puff up the bank accounts of the smaller schools taking the beatings and the records of the top teams so as to look better come March.

Methead
Dec 06 2009 08:34 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

No arguments here. I was just hoping nobody would hurt themselves.

Fman99
Dec 06 2009 09:08 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Frayed Knot":kyqvqldg]LeMoyne, Albany, Colgate, Maine, Cornell ... was St Mary's School for the Blind all booked up?


I know this goes on everywhere so I'm not just picking on Syracuse here - but the pre-league part of college hoops is pretty silly for the most part. It seems to be 90+% scheduled blowouts designed to puff up the bank accounts of the smaller schools taking the beatings and the records of the top teams so as to look better come March.[/quote:kyqvqldg]

Fwife was mad that I forgot about this game, we missed it. I told her, they are just glorified scrimmages while we wait for the conference schedule to start. But 60-12 at the half, mercy.

Methead
Dec 06 2009 09:16 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 06 2009 01:17 PM

The only reason Maine had 12 was because of a goaltending call in the final minute.

Cuse played man-to-man for a lot of the 2nd half and actually got outscored. I love the fact that Boeheim has them try it out... it only makes the players bigger believers in that 2-3 zone.

This team seems extremely committed to clamping down on the defensive end.

soupcan
Dec 06 2009 10:10 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Frayed Knot":l0n1uopj]LeMoyne, Albany, Colgate, Maine, Cornell ... was St Mary's School for the Blind all booked up?


I know this goes on everywhere so I'm not just picking on Syracuse here - but the pre-league part of college hoops is pretty silly for the most part. It seems to be 90+% scheduled blowouts designed to puff up the bank accounts of the smaller schools taking the beatings and the records of the top teams so as to look better come March.[/quote:l0n1uopj]


Agreed here as well but they've also played California and North Carolina and their next game is against Florida. It's not a one way street either - those smaller schools keep coming back year after year to play them. Granted that schools like Syracuse want easy 'W's on the resume (Albany and Cornell are recent tournament teams btw and the LeMoyne game was just an exhibition that didn't count on either school's record) but those other schools get a chance for some exposure and to measure themselves against the premiere programs.

The only reason last night's first half was so lopsided was because Maine's shots weren't dropping. They had more than a few open 3's that were off the mark.

Frayed Knot
Dec 06 2009 01:50 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

those other schools get a chance for some exposure and to measure themselves against the premiere programs.


and, more importantly, money for being cannon fodder in the big school's gym. That's the other thing, almost all those games are on the road for the small schools.
Funny thing about Maine is that HS basketball is actually treated as a real big deal up there (hey, it's indoors during the winter!) but the whole state only has about as many people as Westchester County and I can't imagine U-Maine draws a whole lot of out-of-staters (except maybe for the hockey team).


And yeah, most coaches schedule in a couple tough early games so their team doesn't go into the league part of the schedule having totally faced a parade of patsies -- but the ratio of walk-overs to challenges still tilts decidedly one way at this time of year. I understand why it happens, I just think it makes this time of year rather uninteresting.

Duke used to face Harvard every year (not sure if they still do) in what was almost always a four-touchdown game. My Duke-grad sister says she watched the Harvard team walk in one year; a comical-looking group of not-all-that-tall preppy guys actually wearing jackets with elbow patches and carrying as many briefcases and books as gym-bags.
Then there was St Johns' 'Lapchick Tournament' they played every year against smaller NYC-area teams; a round-robin tourney that existed for the sole purpose of making sure SJU started the season 3-0. It ran for like 15 years with St Johns going 45-0 over that time. One year they actually started losing. It hasn't been played since.

Fman99
Dec 06 2009 07:14 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

It's a selling point for schools like Colgate, too, to be able to tell their recruits that they'll get a chance to play a college basketball game in the Dome. Everyone benefits, as long as the 'Cuse also plays some legitimate non-conference games in there like they've done this year vs. NC and Cal.

soupcan
Dec 07 2009 07:18 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

And on the flip side - you get games like this one -

December 7, 2009

Dyson Scores 24 as UConn Holds Off Harvard
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

The senior guard Jerome Dyson made just one of his 12 shots in the second half Sunday, but he finished with 24 points, 14 rebounds and 9 assists as No. 14 Connecticut held off visiting Harvard, 79-73.

Dyson, who played 38 minutes, said he was exhausted. “It’s definitely going to be hard when we start playing teams who have a lot of different players who can come off the bench and we’re running up and down the court every play,” he said.

Kemba Walker had 20 points and Stanley Robinson added 18 points and 12 rebounds for the Huskies (6-1), who will face No. 5 Kentucky on Wednesday in the SEC/Big East Invitational in New York.

Jeremy Lin had 30 points for the Crimson (6-2).


Harvard was within 5 with about 4 minutes to go. That Lin kid was just lighting those Huskies up. And the game was in Storrs.

Centerfield
Dec 07 2009 09:33 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Hard to do any better than a 32-0 run.

That Reese kid must think he died and went to heaven with all this playing time.

soupcan
Dec 07 2009 01:43 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

As a result of Wisconsin's upset of Duke, the Blue Devils drop and the Orange jump up one spot in both polls this week...


AP Top 25
1. Kansas (62) 7-0 1,621
2. Texas (1) 6-0 1,514
3. Villanova (1) 8-0 1,460
4. Kentucky 8-0 1,417
5. Purdue 7-0 1,409
6. West Virginia 5-0 1,272
7. Syracuse (1) 8-0 1,270
8. Duke 7-1 1,058
9. Tennessee 6-1 1,047
10. Florida 8-0 1,024
11. North Carolina 7-2 985
12. Michigan State 6-2 876
13. Ohio State 7-1 806
14. Connecticut 6-1 787
15. Georgetown 6-0 723
16. Texas A&M 7-1 512
17. Washington 6-1 495
18. UNLV 7-0 429
19. Cincinnati 5-1 334
20. Wisconsin 6-1 298
21. Gonzaga 6-2 279
22. Butler 6-2 221
23. Texas Tech 8-0 219
24. Georgia Tech 6-1 171
25. Mississippi 7-1 127


ESPN/USA Today Poll
1. Kansas (31) 7-0 775
2. Texas 6-0 732
3. Villanova 8-0 699
4. Kentucky 8-0 672
5. Purdue 7-0 650
6. Syracuse 8-0 623
8. West Virginia 5-0 600
8. Duke 7-1 542
9. Tennessee 6-1 483
10. North Carolina 7-2 441
11. Florida 8-0 418
12. Connecticut 6-1 413
13. Georgetown 6-0 393
14. Michigan State 6-2 386
15. Ohio State 7-1 365
16. Washington 6-1 276
17. UNLV 7-0 253
18. Texas A&M 7-1 216
19. Cincinnati 5-1 177
20. Butler 6-2 150
21. Georgia Tech 6-1 128
22. Gonzaga 6-2 126
23. Wisconsin 6-1 104
24. Vanderbilt 6-1 67
24. Clemson 7-2 67

soupcan
Dec 10 2009 08:15 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Had fun last night on the eliptical machine watching lots of college hoops. Yesterday's Big East round-up...

#3 Villanova, which was favored by 15 over an unheralded St. Joseph's team (3-5), got a tougher game than they bargained for but still pulled out a 97-89 win to stay undefeated (9-0)

#6 West Virginia (6-0) also stays perfect, bouncing back from a 10-day layoff and by pummeling Duquesne (6-3) 68-39.

#14 UConn lost to #4 Kentucky. The Huskies (6-2) withstood a 12-0 run from UK to open the game responding immediately with a 26-6 run of their own, but ultimately succumbed as the Wildcats (9-0) won 64-61.

St. John’s (7-1) continues their return to respectibility by beating Georgia (4-4), 66-56. I read somewhere that this is the Johnnies best start to a seaason since '94-'95.

Rutgers (6-2) beats Monmouth (2-7) 66-52.

Providence (7-3) over George Washington (6-2) 110-97


Lastly - not a Big East game but since I hate Boston College (6-3) I'll just note that Harvard (7-2) of the Ivy League beat the mighty ACC school yesterday 74-67.


Psyched for tonight's Syracuse-Florida dust-up - 9:00 on ESPN.

Methead
Dec 10 2009 12:37 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="soupcan":2vtyyahp]
Psyched for tonight's Syracuse-Florida dust-up - 9:00 on ESPN.[/quote:2vtyyahp]

Wow, you're right. I assumed it was at 7:00. Lucky I checked here.

Centerfield
Dec 10 2009 07:09 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="soupcan":ycqd8lwv]
Lastly - not a Big East game but since I hate Boston College (6-3) I'll just note that Harvard (7-2) of the Ivy League beat the mighty ACC school yesterday 74-67.
[/quote:ycqd8lwv]

That's awesome. I've hated BC with a passion ever since they had that Dudley kid. I kept rooting for someone to give him an elbow. With that win over BC and the close call against UConn, Harvard must be the favorite to win the Ivy. I hope they take it and do some damage in the tournament. Lin went for 25.

Centerfield
Dec 10 2009 07:30 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Cuse up 32-22. Lots of Orange fans in Florida tonight.

Elster88
Dec 10 2009 07:46 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

They look good. If they could make a foul shot and consistently get the ball across midcourt they'd be up 20.

Methead
Dec 10 2009 10:21 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Have I mentioned that I like this team?

Fman99
Dec 11 2009 06:37 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Stayed up for the entire game. Even on a night when their outside shots mostly aren't falling, and they blow their normal chunks from the charity stripe, they can still beat a top 15 team on the road (I know, it's not really a home game for Florida as Tampa is 100+ miles from Gainesville but still).

Good stuff good stuff.

soupcan
Dec 11 2009 07:34 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Rick Jackson? Always thought of him as a glorified Derek Brower. Enjoy it Rick.

How about that little guard on Florida? Hitting threes from the parking lot. He was killing me.

[quote="Centerfield":2sq32yfw]That's awesome. I've hated BC with a passion ever since they had that Dudley kid. I kept rooting for someone to give him an elbow. With that win over BC and the close call against UConn, Harvard must be the favorite to win the Ivy. I hope they take it and do some damage in the tournament. Lin went for 25.[/quote:2sq32yfw]

I've only hated them since they defected to the ACC. Miami and Va Tech aren't worth my bile, but BC being an original Big East team just tightened my colon when they left. Ivy's got at least two tough teams this year with Harvard (Tommie Amaker's questionable recruiting tactics and Harvard's lower admission standards finally bearing fruit here) and Cornell. Penn's having a down year and I'm not sure about Princeton but they're always competitive.

[quote="Elster88":2sq32yfw]They look good. If they could make a foul shot and consistently get the ball across midcourt they'd be up 20.[/quote:2sq32yfw]

Foul shots, ugh, tell us something we don't know. They did seem to make at least the front ends of the one-and-ones most of the time though which was nice.

And meanwhile - the University of Maine team that SU gave a 101-55 beatdown to last week, won their game last night against University of Maine-Presque Island 133-58.

Frayed Knot
Dec 11 2009 08:24 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

After which Boeheim looked into adding Presque Isle to next year's schedule
(I kid, I kid)

I'm actually surprised they even play basketball at Presque Isle.
I don't want to say that town is up there a ways but the only things that live further north are elves and reindeer.

Centerfield
Dec 11 2009 09:44 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Awesome game. As big as the North Carolina win was, I would say last night's was even better. They beat a legitimate, ranked team away from home. This time, Syracuse had been hyped so neither they, nor their 2-3 zone caught anyone by surprise. Yet they still controlled most of the game.

I was impressed that on a night where Wes Johnson was relatively quiet, and their 3 pointers weren't falling, that they were as effective as they were. Rick Jackson was really the difference last night. If he plays that way consistently, this team can go a long, long way. I was also surprised to see that Kris Joseph added a double-double off the bench. I watch him play and I can't quite figure out what he does well. He's not a slasher, not a post player, not a good shooter, but you look up and he has 12 points and ten rebounds. Go figure.

This team is so much fun.

Methead
Dec 11 2009 10:09 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Frayed Knot":16rh5esm]
I'm actually surprised they even play basketball at Presque Isle.
I don't want to say that town is up there a ways but the only things that live further north are elves and reindeer.[/quote:16rh5esm]

Based on that score, I think some of those elves are on the team.

Fman99
Dec 11 2009 10:14 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield"]Awesome game. As big as the North Carolina win was, I would say last night's was even better. They beat a legitimate, ranked team away from home. This time, Syracuse had been hyped so neither they, nor their 2-3 zone caught anyone by surprise. Yet they still controlled most of the game.

I was impressed that on a night where Wes Johnson was relatively quiet, and their 3 pointers weren't falling, that they were as effective as they were. Rick Jackson was really the difference last night. If he plays that way consistently, this team can go a long, long way. I was also surprised to see that Kris Joseph added a double-double off the bench. I watch him play and I can't quite figure out what he does well. He's not a slasher, not a post player, not a good shooter, but you look up and he has 12 points and ten rebounds. Go figure.

This team is so much fun.



Reminds me of Josh Pace in that respect.

soupcan
Dec 12 2009 03:02 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

According to the Cablevision website, the SU-St. Francis game tomorrow at 1:00 will be televised on SNY.

According to the SNY website, Austin Peay-Louisville will be occupying that time slot.

I'm thinking that Cablevision is the one that's got it right though.

Methead
Dec 12 2009 07:12 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Woohoo!

Gonna be tough watching that SNY feed after that beautiful picture we had for the Florida game.

Centerfield
Dec 14 2009 08:08 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Perfect 10-0. They might even get some #1 votes this week. I can't even remember the last time that happened. Must be in the late 80's I would think.

soupcan
Dec 14 2009 08:21 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

And #3 Villanova lost to Temple yesterday so they should move up at least one more spot.

It looked like they were trying to get Rick Jackson more involved yesterday but he didn't seem to be up to it. I'm wondering if the only reason he starred against Florida was because the Gators were down a big man and focused on Arinze leaving Jackson free for all those easy lay-ups under the basket.

Also - Mookie Jones must be a real nightmare defensively if he can hit 3's like that and get so little playing time.

That being said, 10-0 is 10-0.

soupcan
Dec 14 2009 08:56 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield"]Perfect 10-0. They might even get some #1 votes this week. I can't even remember the last time that happened. Must be in the late 80's I would think.




Just found this on Syracuse.com

When was the last time that the SU basketball team was ranked No. 1 during the season?
— Pete W.

You have to go all the way back to the 1989-90 season to find the last time that Syracuse was ranked No. 1 during the regular season. Syracuse began that season atop the Associated Press poll and remained there during a 10-0 start. Syracuse lost to Villanova on Jan. 6 and fell to No. 6 in the following week’s poll. More recently, Syracuse rose as high as No. 3 early in the 2004-05 season.

Methead
Dec 14 2009 10:09 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Mookie Jones should quit complaining. He's obviously talented and I think he's got a bright future playing in this system. But he's a redshirt freshman who should consider any playing time a gift.

As for #1 votes in the poll, I'm pretty sure Dick Weiss (Daily News writer) has been voting them #1 every week since the wins over Cal and UNC.

soupcan
Dec 14 2009 10:19 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I noticed the sole #1 vote in the last few polls but assumed it was a Syracuse writer. Why do you think its Weiss?

Methead
Dec 14 2009 11:13 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I thought he mentioned it in one of his articles... I'll try to find it.

edit : this link contains a few other links that reference his actual votes.
[url]http://cusecountry.com/?p=2255


edit again : looks like this week they're up to #5 in the AP poll, and got two 1st place votes.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 16 2009 12:38 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Should Syracuse Join the Big Ten?
Yesterday, the Big Ten Conference— the greatest conference in all of the land, says this University of Illinois graduate — announced that "the timing is right for the conference to once again conduct a thorough evaluation of options for conference structure and expansion." Cutting through that odd combination of corporate speak and academic babble, we think that means that the Big Ten wants to add a twelfth team. Cool! ESPN's excellent Adam Rittenberg laid out the leading candidates yesterday: Missouri, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, Nebraska. Wait … Syracuse? Hmm.

Considering that Syracuse is the unofficial team of New York magazine — other than the Ivy League nerds, the dopey Midwesterners and weirdos like Joe who actually grew up here and went to, like, Fordham or something, practically the whole staff went there — we tossed the notion of Syracuse out to a few staffers, specifically Alexandra Martell and Aileen Gallagher. (Both can be counted on to scream "CUUUUUSE!" in the comments section anytime we ever write something about the Orange.) Because the Big Ten Conference is the greatest conference in the world, we assumed they would be doing backflips that the Big Ten would even consider them. We were wrong.

First off, they both thought the Big Ten would be a step down from the Big East, which is simply crazy. You realize your conference has South Florida and DePaul, right? You also have this weird thing where you have schools that don't play football actually hanging around a football conference, and then you let Notre Dame just sort of hop in and out at their pleasing. Yes, yes, we all like the Villanova–Georgetown rivalries. But beyond that, there's a lot of dregs in the Big East. Michigan and Ohio State and Indiana and Illinois are far better rivals, anyway.

There are those in our Big Ten camp who believe Syracuse isn't a geographic fit, but they're closer to the Midwest than Penn State, and at least Syracuse has a freaking airport. They also fit the bill academically, unlike some of the other schools being mentioned. (We're looking at you, Nebraska.) Syracuse should be honored that the Big Ten is considering them, and if the offer comes, they should jump. Syracuse is too good for the Big East. Come over to the Big Ten. We even have our own network, not that any of you can watch it.
By: Will Leitch


http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2009/12/s ... big_t.html

Would Syracuse ever be seriously considered for Big Ten expansion? Please, say it ain't so.
By Bud Poliquin / The Post-Standard

Syracuse, N.Y. -- There are no lakes of note in southern California, and yet we have . . . the Los Angeles Lakers. There is no Jazz to speak of in Salt Lake City, and yet we have . . . the Utah Jazz. And there are 11 teams in the Big Ten, and yet we have . . . the Big Ten.

That’s all kind of crazy, is what that is. And in two of those three cases, nothing’s going to change . . . and it won’t ever matter how arid the Lakers’ home city is or how completely non-bluesy the Jazz’ neighborhood remains.

But the Big Ten? There are fresh reports that that conference is considering addressing its arithmetical foolishness, but not by contraction. Rather, that league apparently plans to add a 12th member and thus give us a Big 12 II. Or something.

Silly as the Big Ten’s naming issues are (and bode to be), they aren’t ours . . . although they could be one day fairly soon. Indeed, we should be at least a tad concerned that Syracuse University may be on that conference’s expansion radar screen. If so, the Orange might get romanced (as was Penn State a few years ago), and who knows? Perhaps it could renounce the East (to thus follow the lead of those turncoat Nittany Lions).

And that would be bad. Very bad.

Now, sure. Upon first blush the thought of playing annual football games with Penn State and/or Ohio State and/or Michigan and/or Wisconsin and/or Iowa does sound fascinating. This, even while the idea of not playing annual basketball games with Georgetown and/or Connecticut and/or Villanova and/or Pittsburgh and/or Louisville does not.

More specifically, though -- and far beyond the romance -- there is this: As a mid-sized, private institution, SU would likely be forever mismatched against those sprawling public schools and would therefore almost certainly be relegated to the football nether regions of its projected new league. And where would be the titillation in that?

It would be weird enough to suddenly attempt to sell Minnesota or Indiana or Illinois as a Syracuse football rival . . . and to do it at the expense of Pitt and West Virginia and Rutgers. But to enlist in a Midwestern loop for the right to become cannon fodder for the Buckeyes, Wolverines and Badgers? There is no glory in being a foot wipe, no honor in hearing Jim Tressel yell for toilet tissue and then seeing your squad obediently roll in.

And, wait. For those who may agitate for the Orange’s potential move to the Big Ten (or whatever), please consider the expense of sending the SU softball team to Iowa, the SU rowing teams to Wisconsin, the SU tennis team to Illinois and so on and so forth. God bless field hockey . . . but at what travel cost? And, by the way, who would John Desko's lacrosse boys play? Purdue?

Absolutely, this can all be much ado about the proverbial nothing because the Big Ten (or whatever) would almost certainly prefer Notre Dame, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa State and others over Syracuse. And assuming that proves to be true, the Orange would wind up a grateful bunch.

After all, temptation is . . . well, tempting. It would be rather fortuitous if SU never had the chance to reach for the apple.


http://www.syracuse.com/poliquin/index. ... rious.html

soupcan
Dec 16 2009 09:24 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

No thank you.

soupcan
Dec 17 2009 11:43 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Lots of news on that Syracuse to the Big Ten story.

I wouldn't want to see it mostly because of the basketball: I like the basketball rivalries within the Big East (Syracuse-Georgetown) and LOVE the Big East Tournament at MSG every year.

Its true that the football program would benefit with better opposition and a revival of the classic Penn State rivalry that existed for many years before the Nittany Lions went to the Big Ten. But there's also the fact that Syracuse is a founding member of the Big East and was so damning of Miami, Va Tech. and Boston College (especially Boston College) when those schools moved to the ACC.

Big East football is not as bad as some say. Cincinnati, West Virginia and Pittsburgh can compete with any team in the country on a year to year basis. Rutgers is going to its 5th consecutive bowl this year. If Syracuse can right their own ship (and there are signs) on the gridiron, then Big East football can be a player on a national scale like the Big Ten and the ACC.

I don't think SU needs the Big Ten and I think it would harm the two athletic programs that have been the two most successful at SU over the past 30 years (basketball and lacrosse).

Fman99
Dec 17 2009 12:28 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

As an SU fan I want NO PART of the Big Ten.

TransMonk
Dec 17 2009 12:35 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

As a Big Ten fan, I want NO PART of SU.

I'm not sure the reasoning behind wanting another team in the Big Ten. Having Penn State for the past 15 years hasn't done many wonders for us.

Frayed Knot
Dec 17 2009 02:29 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

These kind of conference decisions are almost always made with football in mind. Even in supposed 'basketball' conferences like ACC or BE.
Lots of rea$on$ for that.

soupcan
Dec 18 2009 07:33 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="TransMonk":3m46og2v]As a Big Ten fan, I want NO PART of SU.

I'm not sure the reasoning behind wanting another team in the Big Ten. Having Penn State for the past 15 years hasn't done many wonders for us.[/quote:3m46og2v]


Well the main reason is that, according to the NCAA, a league needs 12 teams in order to have a conference championship game. Those conference championship games are very lucrative and The Big Ten wants in on that action.

TransMonk
Dec 18 2009 07:37 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I never knew that...but it makes sense.

Syracuse seems awfully far away to be part of the Big Ten.

Edgy DC
Dec 18 2009 07:42 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Yup, and Cincinnati, Notre Dame, South Florida and such seem awfully far away for the Big East, but it wouldn't be the first time money redrew the map.

soupcan
Dec 18 2009 08:23 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Yeah - the Big East's plan was to expand to 12 football schools and get that conf. champ. game money until Miami, Va Tech and BC bolted for the ACC because the ACC had the same idea. So the Big East now has Louisville & Cincinnati just hanging around for no good reason.

Fman99
Dec 23 2009 10:33 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Nasty stuff. Who knew that there was an Oakland in Michigan?

Looking forward to the Big East tip Tuesday vs. Seton Hall.

soupcan
Dec 23 2009 11:34 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

-SU finishes the non-con sched. 12-0 and ranked 5th in both polls (women's team also undefeated at 9-0 and ranked #22).

Recent Big East roundup:

[u:18awxrru]Monday 12/21:[/u:18awxrru]

-Providence comes back to beat Yale 87-78 after trailing 36-40 at the half.

-St. John's dreams of breaking into the top 25 get crushed with a reality slap on their home freakin' court from Cornell (who Jim Boeheim says is the best team that Syracuse has played so far this year) and lose the title game of the MSG Holiday Festival 66-71.

[u:18awxrru]Tuesday 12/22:[/u:18awxrru]

-Syracuse 92, Oakland (Mich.) 60

-UConn shakes off Maine 71-54 after being tied 26-26 at the half (did I mention that this was the same Maine team, SU led 60-12 at the half?).

-Notre Dame 101, Bucknell 69

-An underated Seton Hall team torpedoes the Mishipmen of Navy, 94-56.

-Pitt smelts Ohio U. 74-49.

-Rutger's beats St. Peter's 66-42.

-DePaul embarasses themselves and the vaunted conference in which they play by losing to Florida Gulf Coast (?) 61-64.

-Cincinnati beats Winthrop 74-57.

[u:18awxrru]Wednesday 12/23:[/u:18awxrru]

-Georgetown currently manhandling Harvard (another team UConn had a hard time with) 66-42 midway through the second half.

Methead
Dec 23 2009 03:31 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I'd just like to mention Georgetown's loss to Old Dominion last week. No reason.

And congrats to the women's team. Pretty cool that both programs are still undefeated.

Frayed Knot
Dec 23 2009 05:01 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Womens hoops -- Syracuse 72 - Delaware St 20

Edgy DC
Dec 23 2009 08:13 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Squeaker.

soupcan
Dec 25 2009 10:08 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Syracuse to be on ESPN Classic twice next week

ESPN Classic is going to be airing the best games of the decade coming up starting on December 26 and running until January 2.

Syracuse is featured twice during the week.

The first will be on Monday, December 28 from 2 a.m. to 4 a.m., when the 2003 National Championship will be played.

Also, on Friday, January 1, you can celebrate New Year's Day in style by watching the classic Six Overtime game from 5 p.m. to 9 p.m.

Fman99
Dec 30 2009 06:47 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Nice way to start the conference schedule. They didn't play their best game but they still got it done against Seton Hall. Up next, Pittsburgh, Saturday at noon.

soupcan
Dec 30 2009 08:03 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Down 12 in the first half and came back to win by 7, 80-73. Kris Joseph stepping up big time and hitting those free throws. Hazell is a gun.

I DVR'd this one and started watching it at about 11:00 last night. It was very difficult not to fast-forward when they were losing. My patience, fortitude and trust in all things orange was duly rewarded however.

Kong76
Jan 02 2010 10:04 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

When did John Cougar Lunchbucket start broadcasting the
Syracuse games?

Ashie62
Jan 02 2010 10:11 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Frayed Knot":2chke2e8]These kind of conference decisions are almost always made with football in mind. Even in supposed 'basketball' conferences like ACC or BE.
Lots of rea$on$ for that.[/quote:2chke2e8]

For $$$ alone, if the Big 10 becomes the Big 12 Rutgers might be the pick...Lotsa potential TV money in NY

Kong76
Jan 02 2010 12:27 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Sorry guys, picked the wrong day to watch a whole Orange game.

soupcan
Jan 03 2010 10:35 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Yeah - you got a bad one.

Orange suffer first loss of the season on their home court at the hands of the unranked Pitt Panthers. The shots were there for Syracuse all day but would not fall.

soupcan
Jan 03 2010 02:32 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I meant to say - 'Freakin' Pittsburgh'.

It's a karma thing.

Fman99
Jan 06 2010 10:43 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Taking in tonight's SU/Memphis tilt at the Dome, with Fwife. The mother in law is taking care of the wee ones for the night. Go 'Cuse! Look for me on ESPN2 in row YY, I'll be the one with the nosebleed and giant cup of beer.

soupcan
Jan 06 2010 12:02 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Tonight at 7:00 on ESPN2 by the way...

Fman99
Jan 06 2010 08:11 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Fun night at the dome, Fwife and I and 17,000 of my friends watched SU beat Memphis 74-57. Not that they played great, at that kind of play they'll go .500 in conference play, but it got it done against Memphis.

Centerfield
Jan 07 2010 07:29 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Yeah, Boeheim looked pretty pissed. Nice to see that they can still beat a team like Memphis when they don't have it all going.

Kris Joseph and Wes Johnson can fly.

soupcan
Jan 07 2010 07:57 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

ESPN says Syracuse 'spanked' Memphis and 'cruised' past them. Anyone who watched that game knows that despite the 74-57 score, that wasn't exactly the case.

Triche finally starts playing like a freshman (translation: not good). That's two games in a row that Onuaku and Jackson have been getting those inside shots and simply not converting them. Easy twos that just aren't falling. The missed foul shots I can live with. Syracuse has always stunk from the line, you get used to it, but the missed lay-ups are killing me.

Bobby Knight was fine as one of the commentators last night and you can't doubt his basketball accumen, but I think he needs to take a remedial math course.

Centerfield
Jan 07 2010 08:20 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I was very impressed by it.

There was one occasion where he noticed Memphis was playing man-to-man, and that this would open up things for Wes Johnson. Johnson immediately responded with a basket. Smart guy. And amazingly likeable.

I even appreciated his analysis of the Keith Smart basket. Noting how the guy who fed it to him set up with a shot fake. I've seen that replay a million times and never noticed it.

Also, since 2003, that replay no longer makes we want to hurl. Now it just makes me want to fart.

soupcan
Jan 07 2010 08:33 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Oh absolutely, but he kept going on about the missed free throws costing the team 8 of 10 points and 4 out of 6 points, etc. That's not really true unless you're counting on hitting all of those shots. Any team shoot 100% from the line?

Also - when that Memphis player missed that dunk (fabulous by the way) the score was 42-39 Syracuse. SU got the rebound and scored two making the score 44-39. Knight said that was a tough turnaround because had the kid converted the dunk, instead of SU being up by 5, the Tigers would have been leading.

I still don't like hearing or seeing the '87 game. Yeah - Keith Smart is the greatest of the all-time, blah, blah, blah, but if Coleman hits those free throws (see - free throws - again!) Keith Smart is just another copier salesman.

Centerfield
Jan 07 2010 10:16 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

You're right. I noticed that too about the missed dunk math.

Don't get me wrong, I still hate the Keith Smart play. But it used to really, really, really bother me. I think even more than any one Mets play I can imagine. It was probably like the Buckner play to Sox fans.

But since 2003, it's better. More manageable. Though I would still poo on Keith Smart if I ever saw him.

Centerfield
Jan 09 2010 02:29 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

By the way, on a related note, I saw "The Express" last night. The story is sad enough as it is. Making it sadder is seeing how great Syracuse football used to be compared to the state that it's in now.

It was funny. My wife picked the moving thinking I'd like it. She knew nothing about Ernie Davis except for the description of the movie.

"It's about the first black Heisman winner. And it's Syracuse so I figured you'd like it. I'm in the mood for a feel-good type movie."

Oops.

Dennis Quaid has been making movies for a long time.

soupcan
Jan 11 2010 07:51 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

"The Express" was a better movie than I thought it would be. I appreciated the authenticity of the uniforms and costumes in that movie more than anything I think.

They had the nation-wide opening of the movie in downtown Syracuse - Dennis Quaid actually attended. I think the whole city had a heart attack over the excitement of the whole event. Quaid played legendary (and rumored to be racist) head football coach Ben Schwartzwalder. The downfall of the Syracuse football program is said to have begun as a result of black players refusing to come to SU in light of Coach Ben's views. I matriculated with Schwartzwalder's granddaughter when I was there in the early '80s. She and her family were treated like royalty.

Amid the publicity surrounding the movie and the newfound appreciation of Ernie D. - the university commissioned a statue of Ernie Davis that stands outside the Carrier Dome. When the statue was unveiled, it was a bit shocking to see that the sculptor had put a Nike 'swoosh' on Davis' jersey and shoes. Remember Davis last played for Syracuse in 1962 and died in 1963. Supposedly it was simply an error.

Davis' Heisman trophy has been on display in the Carrier Dome since the place was built. If you're ever there, take a peek.


Back to hoops - #7 Syracuse beat the unranked USF Bulls yesterday by 17 points to go 2-1 in conference play. Onuaku and Jackson finally revert to form and convert those those points in the paint. I'm curious to see where Syracuse will be ranked when the polls come out today. #1 Kansas, #4 Purdue and #5 Duke all lost over the weekend. The Orange will certainly move up a few spots but I can't imagine that Kansas will drop to lower than 3 or 4. I'm guessing that SU will wind up at #5.

Speaking of Kansas, they lost to Tennessee, which, after a week in which Tennessee suspended I think 3 players and kicked one completely off the team due to gun and drug charges, played walk-ons and freshman. That's pretty awesome. That Tennessee played the walk-ons and freshman and beat the #1 team in the country, not that they had issues with guns and drugs.

Did I mention that UConn blew a 17 point lead to Georgetown and lost on Saturday? No? Oh, well they did.

Centerfield
Jan 11 2010 08:05 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Duke lost too. Will be interesting to see where SU ends up this week. I DVR'd the gamed and watched it last night. Syracuse is just on a different level. USF was missing their star center so it was unfair to ask them to matchup against the Orange front line.

Cool stuff about Davis.

Frayed Knot
Jan 11 2010 08:09 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

... the university commissioned a statue of Ernie Davis that stands outside the Carrier Dome. When the statue was unveiled, it was a bit shocking to see that the sculptor had put a Nike 'swoosh' on Davis' jersey and shoes. Remember Davis last played for Syracuse in 1962 and died in 1963. Supposedly it was simply an error.


My belief that that was the result of an error is filed right there next to my belief that Bonds and Sheffield were unaware that the creams and injections they were taking contained illegal steroids.

Methead
Jan 11 2010 09:08 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Rick Jackson showed off some nifty moves around the basket... he's got a nice feel for that little hook shot too.

I love Kris Joseph and Mookie Jones off the bench. Love 'em.

Just when you think Wes Johnson isn't doing anything, it's another double-double. Here's Bud Poliquin gushing all over him.

Didn't see the UConn collapse but I heard people talking about it in my travels about town. Hee hee!

soupcan
Jan 11 2010 11:46 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

AP & ESPN/USA Today polls both have the Orange at #5. Kansas drops to #3.

[quote="Methead":2k49fv78]Rick Jackson showed off some nifty moves around the basket... he's got a nice feel for that little hook shot too.

I love Kris Joseph and Mookie Jones off the bench. Love 'em.

Just when you think Wes Johnson isn't doing anything, it's another double-double. Here's Bud Poliquin gushing all over him.

Didn't see the UConn collapse but I heard people talking about it in my travels about town. Hee hee! [/quote:2k49fv78]

-Joseph & Mookie off the bench are gold, Jerry, gold!

-Johnson is something else. You don't notice him and then the game is over and he's the top scorer and rebounder.

-I do not mind seeing UConn lose. It's a combination of everyone in Connecticut thinking that college hoops was invented in Storrs, and Calhoun always coming off as just being a complete arrogant ass.

Fman99
Jan 11 2010 03:49 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Where's Elster88 to talk up his beloved Huskies? Oh, that's right, they're shitting themselves on national television. Haw haw.

Nymr83
Jan 11 2010 06:54 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

uh oh, trash talk!

soupcan
Jan 11 2010 08:20 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

We haven't heard much from the UConn fans since this game.

Methead
Jan 12 2010 11:47 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Freakin' Rutgers. I didn't know things were this bad.

themetfairy
Jan 12 2010 12:08 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead"]Freakin' Rutgers. I didn't know things were this bad.



Blech....

soupcan
Jan 13 2010 06:05 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Speaking of Rutgers - the Scarlet Knights host Syracuse at the RAC tonight at 7:30. Televised on SNY.

themetfairy
Jan 13 2010 07:19 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Not televised, but the Rutgers woman's team will also face Syracuse tonight, but their game will be in Syracuse.

Centerfield
Jan 13 2010 07:43 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

For tonight only, I would like this year's squad not to emulate the 2003 team.

Methead
Jan 13 2010 08:07 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

This has to be part of Darryl Gross's plan to market Syracuse as NYC's team. He's obviously got agents destroying these metropolitan area programs from the inside. If Rutgers and St. John's decide to retire #44, we'll know what's up.

soupcan
Jan 13 2010 08:10 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="themetfairy":1zw7gdp0]Not televised, but the Rutgers woman's team will also face Syracuse tonight, but their game will be in Syracuse.[/quote:1zw7gdp0]

And the women's game is probably the more interesting of the two. The Syracuse women's program has never really been a strong program. A new coach was hired 3 years ago I think, and last year there was noticeable improvement. This year, the Orangewomen are winning (14-1, 1-1), ranked (#25 in the ESPN/USA Today) and opening a few eyes around the league.

Rutgers has been up and down this year but they are a perennial powerhouse with a hall of fame coach.

themetfairy
Jan 13 2010 07:45 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

The Rutgers men and women both lose tonight.

Freakin' Syracuse....

Methead
Jan 13 2010 09:16 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Rutgers made it interesting!

I can't think of another player who has improved so much between freshman and senior years than Rautins has. Hakim Warrick is the most recent guy I can remember. Can that kid pass or what?

Wes Johnson didn't play that well (ho hum another double double though), Rick Jackson was invisible, Onuaku didn't do anything, and they still won comfortably. Defense rules.

Seemed like they relied far too much on the outside shot, given their obvious size advantage... but it's a W in the books anyway.

Methead
Jan 15 2010 06:09 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

#5 SU at #9 West Virginia - Saturday - noon - ESPN

Be there.

soupcan
Jan 18 2010 08:39 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

The Big East weekend wrap-up:

Saturday

#5 Syracuse (17-1, 4-1) went down to Morgantown, West Virginia, faced #9 West Virginia (13-3, 4-2) on their home floor and beat them 72-71. A big win for the Orange as they continue to pile up the wins and convert the non-believers.

#20 Pittsburgh (15-2, 5-0) gets taken to OT by Louisville (12-6, 3-2) but survives 82-77.

Notre Dame (14-4, 3-2) and player-of-the-year candidate Luke Harangody go to Cinicinnati (12-6, 3-3) and get beat by a bucket 60-58.

Met Fairy's Freakin' Rutgers squad (9-8, 0-5) stays winless in the conference by getting upended by G-Fafif's alma mater, USF (11-6, 1-4) 73-64.

Sunday

#4 Villanova (16-1, 5-0) beat #11 Georgetown (13-3, 4-2) in Philly at the Wachovia Center 82-77.

Providence (11-7, 3-3) got thumped by 30 at the hands of Marquette (11-6, 2-3) 93-63.

St. John's (12-5, 2-3) wins its second straight conference match-up, beating DePaul (7-10, 0-5) in Queens by 20, 67-47.

And lastly....in a non-conference tilt, #15 UConn (11-6, 2-3) continues their slide to college basketball mediocrity by losing to the University of Michigan (10-7, 3-2) 68-63. Connecticut has lost 3 games in a row and 4 of their last 6. They’ve got what appears to be a breather against St. John’s at home this week but then they will be hard-pressed to avoid what could be an embarrassing beat-down at the hands of the #1 team in the country, Texas, when they come into town on Saturday. Set your DVRs to record Coach Calhoun’s over-the-top reactions .

soupcan
Jan 18 2010 08:44 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

P.S. Syracuse at Notre Dame tonight on ESPN at 7:00.

Centerfield
Jan 18 2010 08:47 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Luke Harongody out to defend his title as "Ugliest Player in the Big East".

Fman99
Jan 18 2010 09:10 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="soupcan":hmv4qhu0]P.S. Syracuse at Notre Dame tonight on ESPN at 7:00.[/quote:hmv4qhu0]

We will be watching.

Methead
Jan 18 2010 09:53 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

They were lucky to escape West Virginia with a win... WV made three 3-pointers in a 30 second span toward the end... and once again SU missed a maddening amount of free throws in the final minute.

It says a lot though, that they were able to pull out a victory despite a relatively weak effort from a flu-ridden Wes Johnson, and Rautins fouling out with 6 minutes left. Triche stepped up big time.

Seems like Harangody's been in school forever, doesn't it?

soupcan
Jan 18 2010 11:33 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead":2br05etf]They were lucky to escape West Virginia with a win... WV made three 3-pointers in a 30 second span toward the end... and once again SU missed a maddening amount of free throws in the final minute.

It says a lot though, that they were able to pull out a victory despite a relatively weak effort from a flu-ridden Wes Johnson, and Rautins fouling out with 6 minutes left. Triche stepped up big time.
[/quote:2br05etf]

I agree - The line on this game was WVU by 5 and Peeps were talking about how SU frittered away a 10 point lead with like 2:00 left, but the bottom line is they went into a hostile environment against a very good team and came out with the win despite a lot of things going against them. This was the game that showed me that these guys are for real.

Fman99
Jan 18 2010 01:16 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

SU holds steady at #5 in both polls again today.

Fman99
Jan 18 2010 07:20 PM
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'Cuse rolls, wins by 13. Probably the most complete game they've played so far in conference play.

Methead
Jan 18 2010 09:45 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Yeah, that was nicely done. This year's SU team seems to respond well when the opponent makes a run. Happened a few times in the WV game, and more than a few times tonight.

And I don't want to get crazy, but Onuaku looked pretty awesome from the line. Looked like he had more arc and rotation on his free throws.

Centerfield
Jan 19 2010 07:27 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Great game. Nice to see Johnson and Rautins step up against a good opponent on the road.

Onuaku looked like GMac out there at the line (not quite, but it was exciting)

In all seriousness, Notre Dame must make an effort to recruit white guys no? I have a hard time believing this can happen just by chance.

Joseph's offensive rebounds were YUGE.

soupcan
Jan 19 2010 07:49 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":3dqkcr4r]Great game. Nice to see Johnson and Rautins step up against a good opponent on the road.

Onuaku looked like GMac out there at the line (not quite, but it was exciting)

In all seriousness, Notre Dame must make an effort to recruit white guys no? I have a hard time believing this can happen just by chance.[/quote:3dqkcr4r]

Rautins was HUGE - answering Abromaitis' 3's with his own was fun to watch.

Agreed about Onuaku - never have I been so excited watching a guy sink free throws.

My 12 year-old noticed the white players on Notre Dame too. 'Dad, not a lot of black guys on the ND team. What's up with that?'

soupcan
Jan 19 2010 07:51 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Oh - and UConn drops completely out of the AP top 25 while barely hanging in at 21 in the ESPN/USA Today poll.

Methead
Jan 19 2010 08:02 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 19 2010 11:27 AM

[quote="soupcan"]Oh - and UConn drops completely out of the AP top 25 while barely hanging in at 21 in the ESPN/USA Today poll.



Centerfield
Jan 19 2010 10:05 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I saw on the stat sheet that Syracuse outrebounded ND. That's just a typical Syracuse win last night...outrebound your opponent (including a couple big ones on the offensive end) and hit your free throws down the stretch. Can't get any more routine Syracuse than that.

soupcan
Jan 19 2010 10:41 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead"][quote="soupcan"]Oh - and UConn drops completely out of the AP top 25 while barely hanging in at 21 in the ESPN/USA Today poll.






Took me until just now to get this.

Centerfield
Jan 19 2010 11:04 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Who's #1 in the RPI? Oh, Syracuse. That's who.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html

Methead
Jan 19 2010 11:29 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="soupcan":crlaczhh]
Took me until just now to get this.[/quote:crlaczhh]

Was it showing the "this image has been moved or deleted" thing? Because that was actually a lot funnier than what I meant to post.

Centerfield
Jan 19 2010 11:49 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Deep.

Of course, you could read into the Citizen Kane scene. I think this is a clip from the opera house he built for his second wife, who sucked, despite all the money and time Kane put into her.

Much the way UConn sucks despite the big recruits and high ranking.

Are we trying too hard?

soupcan
Jan 19 2010 12:24 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead":1hfl47z0]Was it showing the "this image has been moved or deleted" thing? Because that was actually a lot funnier than what I meant to post.[/quote:1hfl47z0]

Yes - that's what I thought you meant to post.

soupcan
Jan 19 2010 12:25 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":e4yjc9o1]Are we trying too hard?[/quote:e4yjc9o1]

Not at all.

Methead
Jan 19 2010 01:36 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Heh - not sure why that link keeps changing. Ah well.

Fman99
Jan 19 2010 08:16 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

UConn coach Calhoun, his team deeper into the shitter by the day, now taking an indefinite leave of absence due to undisclosed medical reasons.

I think his cock doesn't work.

soupcan
Jan 19 2010 09:05 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

He's just not a healthy dude.

Methead
Jan 20 2010 07:23 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Fman99":gx1v1n2o]
I think his cock doesn't work.[/quote:gx1v1n2o]

Never stopped him from coaching before.

Ashie62
Jan 20 2010 12:03 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":k9h7rlj0]Who's #1 in the RPI? Oh, Syracuse. That's who.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html[/quote:k9h7rlj0]

Do the Syracuse kids read & write yet? Or do they still just bring golf clubs...C+ school

soupcan
Jan 20 2010 12:28 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Ashie62":1dzhqhqa]Do the Syracuse kids read & write yet? Or do they still just bring golf clubs...C+ school[/quote:1dzhqhqa]

Golf clubs? There is maybe one day a year in Syracuse when its nice enough to play golf. They call it 'summer'.

Methead
Jan 22 2010 08:28 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I'd like to propose a toast...

:raises glass::

to Marquette missing a lot of 3-pointers tomorrow.

soupcan
Jan 23 2010 09:26 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead":3e9dnxpk]I'd like to propose a toast...

:raises glass::

to Marquette missing a lot of 3-pointers tomorrow.[/quote:3e9dnxpk]


And they did...

SU goes to 19-1 after holding off Marquette 76-71. Next up - Georgetown in the Dome on Big Monday. 'Nuff said.

I would be remiss if, after all my UConn bashing, I did not mention that the Huskies beat the number one team in the land, Texas, today quite handily. Kudos to the boys from Storrs. If UConn can actually beat a few more teams, that game may have punched their ticket to the dance.

And as a Syracuse fane, I thank them for ensuring that Texas will now drop below the Orange allowing the good guys to move up a spot in the rankings come Monday morning.

Methead
Jan 23 2010 09:48 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Did they? I saw they were down in the first half, and I didn't pay attention after that. Fucking good for them! And yes, it's win-win if SU can move up a spot in the rankings...

Rautins didn't score a point today. As a team they only made one from behind the arc. They won it on defense, basically. I'll take it. Seems like this team can win any number of different ways, and that's nice. SU had 10 blocked shots... Marquette none. Twice as many rebounds.

Bring on the Hoyas.

soupcan
Jan 25 2010 08:34 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse



January 25, 2010
Transfer Wes Johnson Finds Paradise at Syracuse
By PETE THAMEL



The junior Wes Johnson landed at Syracuse after affiliations with three other colleges. “I definitely found para-
dise,” he said.



SYRACUSE — There is a simple reason Syracuse’s Jim Boeheim has taken just five transfers in his 34 seasons as head coach.

“Usually,” Boeheim said, “transfers aren’t happy.”

In the college basketball world, a transfer is usually a euphemism for an underachiever. Players who bounce from school to school carry a bigger stigma with each stop.

But after three high schools, a six-month stretch playing pickup games at a junior college and affiliations with three other colleges, the Syracuse junior forward Wes Johnson has proved to be an outlier. His halogen smile shows his happiness, and his production for a Syracuse team that has gone from being unranked to a Final Four front-runner makes him an overachiever.

Johnson, who is averaging 17.3 points a game, leads No. 5 Syracuse (19-1) into a tussle with its archrival, No. 12 Georgetown (15-3), on Monday. Things have gone so well for Johnson that Boeheim said he expected him to leave for the N.B.A. after one year, another improbable destination after his rocky road through the basketball underworld.

“It definitely is corrupt,” Johnson said. He added: “I didn’t realize what a crazy business it is. That’s how it is. It’s always been like that. I’m just glad I ended up on the right. I definitely found paradise.”

Johnson grew up in Corsicana, Tex., a town of nearly 25,000 people where his mother packed Tom’s potato chips at a factory and his father conducted trains for Southwest Pacific.

Johnson’s high school coach, Andy Dotson, said that Johnson grew so fast — from a 5-foot-10 junior varsity point guard to a sinewy 6-foot-6 wing — that he could not put on enough weight for colleges to be interested.

Johnson also missed key summer events because of the pain that accompanied his growth spurt, according to his summer coach, Tony Johnson. Wes Johnson did not touch the ball that often because his summer teammates included Michael Crabtree, now a receiver with the San Francisco 49ers; Austin Jackson, a former top prospect for the Yankees; and Sean Williams, a first-round draft pick by the Nets in 2007.

Still, Tony Johnson, who is not related to Wes, and Dotson, a former college coach, lobbied on Johnson’s behalf.

“Just because I became a high school coach,” Dotson told his college coaching buddies, “I didn’t become an idiot.”

One of the few colleges that showed interest was Louisiana-Monroe, where Johnson was going until a coaching change solidified his hunch that he could do better. Johnson had completed his core requirements and needed to improve his standardized test scores, so he went to the Patterson School in North Carolina, a place that had had its credentials reviewed by the N.C.A.A. in the past for possible academic irregularities.

After two months there, Johnson decided to leave because he said Patterson’s coaches were giving him recruiting mail only from San Diego State. When Johnson complained, he was demoted to third string, his stepbrother, Craig Carroll, said. Johnson said he assumed that the Patterson coaches had struck a deal to send him to San Diego State and did not want him to get mail from colleges like Marquette and Michigan State.

“Once we realized they were trying to short-hand him, me and my wife got in the car, drove to North Carolina from Detroit in the middle of the night, packed him up in 30 minutes and drove straight back,” Carroll, 40, said.

Patterson’s coach at the time, Chris Chaney, said he asked Johnson to visit San Diego State only because the college had placed Johnson at Patterson. He laughed at the notion of demoting Johnson, saying his team had so much talent that Jordan Hill, a future lottery pick of the Knicks, did not even play in a game early that season.

Johnson then went to Eldon Academy in Petoskey, Mich., which often took players who needed to improve their college entrance exam scores.

“There’s no school building,” he said. “Basically, it’s an A.A.U. team.”

Johnson slept in a bed so small his knees hung over the edge and said he never had a full conversation with Gerald E. Ernst Jr., the proprietor of the school and its coach.

After two months, the school suddenly closed.

“One day he walked in the gym and yelled out, ‘It’s over,’ ” Johnson said of Ernst. “I was like, ‘It’s over?’ He was like, ‘Get your stuff and leave. It’s over.’ ”

Johnson went to live with his brother in the Detroit suburbs, took a Princeton Review class to improve his scores on his college entrance exams and played pickup basketball at a local junior college.

Johnson eventually committed to Iowa State and made the all-Big 12 rookie team as a freshman. But he played most of his sophomore season with a fracture in his foot that the team doctors never detected.

Although he averaged 12.4 points a game, Johnson clashed with Coach Greg McDermott. Carroll said Johnson’s foot was so swollen he could not put his shoe on, but he felt pressure to play.

“There was so much blood and tissue covering up the stress fracture that it wasn’t detected,” the Syracuse assistant Rob Murphy said. “The coach thought he was soft, but he was really hurt.”

When Johnson decided to transfer, Murphy recruited Johnson despite Boeheim’s history of rarely taking transfers. After Murphy mentioned Johnson, Boeheim ran into McDermott at a Coaches vs. Cancer charity event.

McDermott raved about Johnson’s character, which led to Boeheim’s telling Murphy to bring Johnson in for a visit. Johnson committed to Syracuse without taking planned trips to Pittsburgh, Ohio State and West Virginia.

Johnson joined LeRon Ellis (Kentucky), Ryan Blackwell (Illinois), Ethan Cole (New Hampshire) and Leo Rautins (Minnesota), the father of the current Orange starter Andy Rautins, as the only four-year transfers Boeheim has taken.

Boeheim says the only issue he has had with Johnson is that he is too unselfish.

“He doesn’t have a scoring mentality,” Boeheim said. “He’s taking like 11 shots a game.”

Murphy noted that after a recent win over Rutgers in which Johnson scored 11 points, he was smiling in the locker room as if he had scored 30. But with a smooth jumper, a 43-inch vertical leap and a knack for snaring rebounds, Johnson’s talent is undeniable.

“He’s going to get drafted so high, it’s hard to say no to that because he’s so talented,” Boeheim said of Johnson’s N.B.A. prospects. “He’s as good as any player in the country.”

And Syracuse appears to be as good as any team, something few expected after Jonny Flynn, Eric Devendorf and Paul Harris left early for professional basketball after last season. Johnson, whose lanky frame is a perfect fit for the Orange’s 2-3 zone, has sparked a decisive defensive improvement.

His unselfishness has also become the ethos of this team. Syracuse is No. 2 in Division I in assists despite the lack of an experienced point guard.

Perhaps most important for Johnson, he is having fun. He said the rigid offense at Iowa State, with more than 100 set plays, made him think too much on the court. He said Syracuse ran about 10 plays. Johnson gushes about what the freedom Boeheim has given him has done for his game.

“Players really respond to that, just letting players play,” Johnson said.

And through all the rough stops along the way, Johnson kept his big smile, as if bracing for his happy ending.

“If I could do it all over again, I’d do it the same way,” he said. “I honestly would.”

soupcan
Jan 25 2010 11:59 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

New polls have the same top 5:

1. Kentucky
2. Kansas
3. Villanova
4. Syracuse
5. Michigan State

Texas drops from #1 to #6, Georgetown moves up to #7/#11. UConn is #19 in both.

Big East has 6 teams in the top 25 (WVU is #9 and Pitt is #17 in both).

Centerfield
Jan 25 2010 12:53 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I just took a look at the poll. I didn't realize that a lot of the ranked teams Syracuse had beaten have now fallen out. In fact, West Virginia (#9) is the only ranked team they've beaten. UNC, Cal, and Florida have all since dropped out. Cal and UNC are in the "Also Receiving Votes" group, along with Cornell and Notre Dame.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 25 2010 12:58 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Wes Johnson is named to ESPN's mid-season First Team All-America Team. Almost every NBA 2010 Mock Draft is projecting that Johnson will be a very high lottery pick, should he declare.

Forward: Wesley Johnson, Syracuse. Not many transfers enter college basketball, especially on a good team, so seamlessly. Johnson, in his first season in orange after leaving Iowa State, plays on both ends of the floor and is very good in the open court. He has been the go-to scorer for Syracuse and has been an outstanding back-line rebounder and defender in Jim Boeheim's zone. Johnson is super athletic and very skilled, and he reminds you of a better shooting and rebounding version of Shawn Marion. Johnson is averaging 17.4 points, 8.9 rebounds, 2.5 offensive rebounds, 2.2 assists, 1.8 steals and 2 blocks per game. He is shooting 57 percent from the field, 48 percent from long distance and 75 percent from the line, and he does not take bad shots.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4818431

Fman99
Jan 25 2010 07:06 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

'Cuse rolls. They can play with ANY team in the country, playing the way they did tonight.

Methead
Jan 25 2010 07:41 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

That

was

awesome.

Methead
Jan 25 2010 08:25 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

"It was the 819th career win for Orange coach Jim Boeheim, breaking a tie with UConn's Jim Calhoun for sixth in Division I. Boeheim also extended his Division I record for most 20-win seasons to 32 in his 34 years at his alma mater."

Centerfield
Jan 26 2010 07:23 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I realize that Syracuse-UConn is probably a more important matchup since about 1992 or so. And Villanova and Pitt have given them fits. But for guys who have been a fan of the program for a while, nothing is better than beating Georgetown at home.

I can't even imagine how much fun it must have been to be in Syracuse last night. Good times.

As for the game itself, you couldn't ask for anything better. This team's defense is amazing. And they have so many different ways they can beat you. I can't remember the last time a Syracuse team was this good. Not to say that they will win it all, but I wonder if this team could take the 2003 team in a head-to-head matchup.

Centerfield
Jan 26 2010 08:08 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Some cool stuff from last night:


Derrick Coleman was in the house, pumping up the crowd. At one point, he pulled Rautins aside and told him to shoot more. Rautins did and responded with 2 big threes.



Magnificent block by Wes Johnson. Two cool things: 1. It wasn't Johnson's best of the night. 2. The ball bounced right back to Freeman who put it up again, only to have it blocked again, this time by Onuaku.



Announcers: "Obviously the fashion around here has improved significantly since the arrival of Juli Boeheim..."



Me too kid. Me too.

soupcan
Jan 26 2010 08:32 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":3pcvq05g]But for guys who have been a fan of the program for a while, nothing is better than beating Georgetown at home.[/quote:3pcvq05g]

Completely agree. Beating Georgetown is just really sweet.

How was Derrick Coleman permitted to sit on the bench? AND give in-game advice? He's not an assistant coach. Never realized that's allowed.



And by the way - Patrick Ewing can't read this post.

Centerfield
Jan 26 2010 09:00 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Coleman was sitting in the first row. He pulled Rautins aside during a stop in play.

Fman99
Jan 26 2010 10:23 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":zdh0od6q]Coleman was sitting in the first row. He pulled Rautins aside during a stop in play.[/quote:zdh0od6q]

He got some air time on Saturday too, he was there for the Marquette game. As far as I know he still lives in Michigan, where he's from, and not here in town. But that just means that I never see him at the mall or the gas station.

soupcan
Jan 26 2010 11:38 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":nh8l07v2]Coleman was sitting in the first row. He pulled Rautins aside during a stop in play.[/quote:nh8l07v2]

Ah, didn't realize he wasn't on the bench - but grabbing a player during the game? I love Coleman and liked that he did it but was surprised. I also read that he was at practices the last day or so and was teaching Onuaku and Jackson some things.

soupcan
Jan 27 2010 09:11 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

#1 Kentucky loses to the middling South Carolina Gamecocks ('you can't lick their 'Cocks') and there are no more unbeaten teams left in Div. I.

Villanova and Syracuse now have a chance to be #2 & #3 if not higher, when the new polls come out on Monday.

Methead
Jan 27 2010 12:10 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Slightly less challenging portion of the schedule coming up. I don't see this team getting complacent though.

Methead
Jan 28 2010 10:10 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

OMG WESLEY JOHNSON JUST ATE A BAGEL

[url]http://twitter.com/W_Johnson

Methead
Jan 30 2010 01:37 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead":239efu5u]Slightly less challenging portion of the schedule coming up. I don't see this team getting complacent though.[/quote:239efu5u]

I may have been wrong. They're in some trouble at Depaul.

Methead
Jan 30 2010 01:59 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

That was close.

Centerfield
Jan 30 2010 06:12 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Seriously.

I love this team though. Even when they suck, they manage to find a way to win.

Fman99
Jan 30 2010 08:29 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":3gox7n0i]Seriously.

I love this team though. Even when they suck, they manage to find a way to win.[/quote:3gox7n0i]

Amen brother. This is exactly the kind of game last year's team would have rolled over in.

soupcan
Feb 01 2010 09:12 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

The big talk around college basketball is who will be the #1 and #2 teams when the rankings come out today. The general consensus seems to be that Kansas will be #1 and Villanova will be #2. It's a toss-up as to whether Syracuse or Kentucky will be #3. There are some advocating for the Orange to go as high as #2 however.

I attended a MAAC game this weekend which pitted the Fairfield Stags against the Rider Broncs. Fairfield was favored - better record, and the game was home for them, but the Broncs pulled the upset 88-80. Entertaining game, Fairfield has a 6'8" forward who hit 8 consecutive 3 pointers and wound up with 24 points.

Big East round-up -

#3 Villanova (19-1, 8-0) - Beat Notre Dame (15-7, 4-5) last Wednesday and did not play this past weekend. 'Nova's schedule from here on gets really tough and most of the prognosticators feel that a 7-3 record in their last 10 games may be the best the Wildcats can hope for. Seton Hall at home, road games against Georgetown and West Virginia, then Providence and UConn at home, back on the road against Pitt, home against USF then on the road at Syracuse and Cincinnati, closing out their regular season with a home game against West Virginia.

#4 Syracuse (21-1, 8-1) - After manhandling the Hoyas, the Orange were ready to take advantage of the woeful DePaul Blue Demons (8/13, 1-8). It didn't quite work out the way but Syracuse did ultimately escape with a 59-57 win after trailing for the vast majority of the game then tying it and taking the lead with about 4 minutes left. A win is a win sure, but that one left the 'Cuse faithful with a bad taste in their mouths.

#7/#11 Georgetown (16-4, 6-3) - Those who doubted the Hoyas high ranking after the Syracuse game felt much relief after Georgetown's non-conference victory over #8/#7 Duke (17-4) on national TV.

#9 West Virginia (17-3, 6-2) - holds on and beats Louisville (13-8, 4-4) in Morgantown, WV 77-74 in a contest where the officiating was so bad that it has spurred an investigation by the Big East.

#17 Pittsburgh (16-5, 6-3) - The Panthers are in a free-fall after having lost three of their last four games. The most recent being this past Saturday against South Florida (14-7, 4-5) 70-61.

#19 Connecticut (13-8, 3-5) - Connecticut beats the #1 team in the country last week, loses to Providence and then Marquette (13-8, 4-5) on Saturday. I'm guessing that both UConn and Pitt will drop out of the top 25 this week and Jim Calhoun will be adding to his 800+ coaching victories in the NIT this year.

Rutgers (10-11, 1-8) became the last Big East team to get a conference victory when they stuffed Luke Harangody and Notre Dame (15-7, 4-5) 74-73. Looks like ND may be NIT-bound as well.

Cincinnati (14-7, 5-4) beat Providence (12-9, 4-5) 92-88.

Seton Hall (12-7, 3-5) and St. John's (12-8, 2-6) were idle this weekend.


Programming note: The Syracuse / Providence game will be televised by SNY tomorrow night (Feb. 2) at 7:00pm).

Methead
Feb 01 2010 09:38 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Glad the game is on tomorrow, but it's competing with Lost... looks like I'm taping the game. The second half, at least.

I keep meaning to go to a Fairfield game. I might as well, they're right down the street. Sacred Heart, too.

I also keep meaning to make it to a Bridgeport Bluefish game but I never do.

soupcan
Feb 01 2010 11:03 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

AP poll as of Feb. 1 -

1. Kansas (54) 20-1
2. Villanova (4) 19-1
3. Syracuse (6) 21-1
4. Kentucky (1) 20-1
5. Michigan State 19-3
6. West Virginia 17-3
7. Georgetown 16-4
8. Purdue 18-3
9. Texas 18-3
10. Kansas State 17-4
10. Duke 17-4
12. Brigham Young 21-2
13. Ohio State 16-6
14. Tennessee 16-4
15. New Mexico 20-3
16. Wisconsin 16-5
17. Gonzaga 17-4
18. Vanderbilt 16-4
19. Temple 18-4
20. Baylor 16-4
21. Georgia Tech 16-5
22. Pittsburgh 16-5
23. Butler 18-4
24. Northern Iowa 19-2
25. Mississippi 16-5

Syracuse at #3 but with more first place votes than #2 Villanova. Uconn does drop out but Pitt hangs in at #22.

Edgy DC
Feb 01 2010 11:08 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

We're 223!

Actually, tied for 222 with SUNY Bingo. Eat it, Citadel!

How weak does CBS's computer think Houston Baptist's schedule is, ranking them dead last with four wins, sitting behind three winless teams. Suckers. Who did they get those wins against? Cub scouts?

soupcan
Feb 01 2010 12:14 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Syracuse is #4 in the ESPN/USA Today poll. Same top 2, Kentucky is #3.

Nymr83
Feb 01 2010 12:19 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Syracuse at #3 but with more first place votes than #2 Villanova. Uconn does drop out but Pitt hangs in at #22.


#6 West Virginia and #7 Georgetown are also in the best conference in college basketball. can't wait for the big east tournament at the garden again this year

soupcan
Feb 01 2010 12:20 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead":fysj5e1h]I keep meaning to go to a Fairfield game. I might as well, they're right down the street. Sacred Heart, too.

I also keep meaning to make it to a Bridgeport Bluefish game but I never do.[/quote:fysj5e1h]

I've been to a few events at the Arena at Harbor Yard and a few Bluefish games at the park next door.

The arena is nice. It's cozy - I don't know how many it seats - 10,000- 15,000? Saw The Who and The Pretenders there, some Disney on Ice debacle and a minor league hockey game. Every seat is good. The prices at both the arena and the baseball park are more than reasonable. I think the hoops tix were $10 a pop. Parking was $3.00.

Methead
Feb 02 2010 09:31 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

So... last year they gave up 100 points to Providence. Think they can hold 'em to 75 or 80 this year? Should be a fun game to watch, lots of running up and down the court.

soupcan
Feb 02 2010 09:54 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Within the conference, Providence is #2 (behind 'Nova) in scoring at 81.3 points per game (Syracuse is #4 at 75.4), but they are last in defense giving up an average of 83 ppg. Syracuse is 6th giving up 67.9.

Syracuse is favored by 14.5 points, they should win this one going away but I thought that about the DePaul game as well. All signs point to a high scoring affair.

Fman99
Feb 02 2010 08:51 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

CUSE

Another dominating win.

Methead
Feb 03 2010 08:12 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Yeah, that was barely even a game.

Kris Joseph is becoming awesome.

Centerfield
Feb 03 2010 08:15 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I somehow completely forgot about this game. I'm glad to see they won.

Methead
Feb 05 2010 01:32 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

This was fun to read.

Centerfield
Feb 07 2010 02:13 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Worried when Johnson picked up his 4th with Cincy opening up a 6 point lead?

Not with this team. Another great win in a tough building. Looking at a #2 ranking on Monday.

soupcan
Feb 07 2010 03:26 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

That game was worrying me - then I look up and they're up by 13 with 2 minutes to play. Love this team.

Wes in foul trouble against G'Town or 'Nova would bother me, but against Cinncinati, I was thinking - 'That's okay, Kris'll pick up the slack'

23-1, 10-1. First place in the Big East and moving up the charts.

Methead
Feb 07 2010 03:29 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

They held Cincinnati to 5 points over the final 12 or so minutes. Crazy.

Fman99
Feb 07 2010 03:43 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

They put teams away, that's for sure. With Villanova losing yesterday I am sure they will be #3 in both polls, if not higher.

Centerfield
Feb 08 2010 07:44 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

UConn next.

Fman99
Feb 08 2010 10:45 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

SU moves up to #2, ahead of Kentucky and 'Nova, in the AP poll. The ESPN poll comes out later today. Highest ranking in 20 years.

soupcan
Feb 08 2010 12:21 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

ESPN/USA Today has 'em at #3 behind Kansas and Kentucky. Both Syracuse and UK have 1 first place vote and SU is only 3 total points behind UK (731 to 728).

soupcan
Feb 10 2010 07:34 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

SU- UConn tonight 7:00 ESPN.

Anybody remember the last time these two teams met?

Methead
Feb 10 2010 02:12 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

New uniforms tonight for both squads... apparently Nike's designers are on the loose again. Lots of teams are getting these.

SU

UConn

soupcan
Feb 10 2010 02:28 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Peeps are saying that's Darth Vader on the back of the SU jersey. Hmmmm.


Methead
Feb 10 2010 03:06 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Heh. Works for me.

soupcan
Feb 10 2010 03:39 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

It's all very scientific you see...

Rockin' Doc
Feb 10 2010 06:22 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Duke started wearing an early precurser of the Nike Hyperelite uniforms last season. Duke unveiled them at Cameron Indoor on Feb. 22, 2009 in a victory over Wake Forest. They have been wearing ever since. They supposedly keep players cooler by allowing greater air flow.

soupcan
Feb 10 2010 07:22 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

But they're ugly.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 10 2010 07:59 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="soupcan":361gtecx]But they're ugly.[/quote:361gtecx]

Says the man whose team is sporting Darth Vader on thei back of their jerseys.


In general, I don't think the technology adds to the overall aesthetic of any team's uniform.

soupcan
Feb 10 2010 08:08 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Rockin' Doc":k45tkc1f][quote="soupcan":k45tkc1f]But they're ugly.[/quote:k45tkc1f]

Says the man whose team is sporting Darth Vader on thei back of their jerseys.


In general, I don't think the technology adds to the overall aesthetic of any team's uniform.[/quote:k45tkc1f]


I don't like Syracuse's either! I think they're all ugly.

Meanwhile - the Orange get some help from the refs and slip by UConn 72-65.

Duke looks like they've got their hands full with the Heels at the half.

Frayed Knot
Feb 10 2010 08:30 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Rockin' Doc"]Duke started wearing an early precurser of the Nike Hyperelite uniforms last season. ... Nike decided they keep Nike richer by allowing greater money flow to Nike

.

I fixed some of the spelling for you.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 10 2010 09:50 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Soup, I agree with you that the new "techno" uniforms are pretty ugly. Maybe if the patterns were much simpler they wouldn't look so bad. I think Knot is correct in saying that benefits most from the new uniforms.

Caught roughly the final 4 minutes of the Syracuse/UConn game. Good, exciting finish in that one. Syracuse's 2-3 zone is particularly impressive this year. I think it can really help them come March, since most teams are more accustomed to facing man-to-man defenses.

Methead
Feb 11 2010 09:09 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="soupcan":imtj64if]
Meanwhile - the Orange get some help from the refs and slip by UConn 72-65.
[/quote:imtj64if]

Giving Boeheim that timeout? Fouling Wes Johnson on the inbounds play? Intentional foul at the end?

We should send the officiating crew some flowers today. At least a gift certificate to Hickory Farms or something.

Centerfield
Feb 11 2010 10:05 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I can't believe that's how it ended. I left with Syracuse having a comfortable lead to put my kids to bed. When I checked the score, I saw they had won but it was close. I had no idea it was that touch and go.

Cuse-UConn is always fun. And it only seems right that it should go down to the wire.

soupcan
Feb 11 2010 10:06 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

That timeout call was a mess. The ref was wrong to call it when he did but would have been wrong not to call it. Boeheim was clearly calling it for it when Scoop had the ball before he shot it. Ref should have called it then. By waiting to call it he screwed UConn. If he hadn't called it at all, Syracuse would've been screwed.

The guy grabbed Wes' jersey - that's not a foul? I beg to differ.

Not an intentional foul? Majok shoved Joseph from behind. Sorry - intentional.

UConn's only gripe should be with the T.O. call. I'd be pissed if I was them.

Methead
Feb 11 2010 10:55 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I'm not saying they weren't fouls, but it seems like that little grab of the jersey gets overlooked more often than not in those types of situations. And yeah, the fouling Joseph was intentional, but i didn't expect they'd basically give the game to SU right there.

I thought there were plenty of cheapies called against SU along the way though. But I don't care all that much now, our guys won!

soupcan
Feb 11 2010 11:46 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead":3sg6gifr]But I don't care all that much now, our guys won![/quote:3sg6gifr]

Bingo.

Methead
Feb 11 2010 02:05 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Can you name the top 100 scorers in SU history?

soupcan
Feb 11 2010 07:18 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I was flying along but plumb forgot about Lou 'Tuppy' Hayman.

Damn prohibitionist!

Methead
Feb 12 2010 11:26 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Heh. I get up to about 40 and I can't think of any more. It's astonishing how little I remember.

Centerfield
Feb 12 2010 11:26 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse


Not hard to guess at which point in the game this pic came from.

Centerfield
Feb 12 2010 11:43 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead"]Can you name the top 100 scorers in SU history?



I got 57.

It almost becomes "How many Orangemen can you name?"

Methead
Feb 12 2010 02:05 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

The answers (as well as a lot of other cool stuff) can be found here - http://www.orangehoops.org/

Ashie62
Feb 12 2010 06:15 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

SU has a history?

Kong76
Feb 14 2010 01:06 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

0-2 watching full games this year ... this one was pretty entertaining.

Methead
Feb 14 2010 02:28 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Dammit, quit watching!

They had to stumble sooner or later... easily could have lost to DePaul, and probably should have lost to UConn.

Methead
Feb 18 2010 09:21 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

@ Georgetown tonight at 7:00 on ESPN2. Gonna be a tough game, hopefully SU can bounce back from that weak Louisville loss.

In related news, Hakim Warrick just got traded to the Bulls.

Elster88
Feb 18 2010 05:49 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Um, Syracuse is good.

Centerfield
Feb 18 2010 07:19 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Never in doubt.

Methead
Feb 18 2010 07:39 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Yeah, that would have been a goddamn disturbing loss.

Centerfield
Feb 19 2010 07:28 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

In those final minutes, you have to wonder about shooting a 23-foot three down by one when Greg Monroe had been killing Syracuse inside.

Those are the breaks though.

The difference in this game was free throws. Syracuse knocked down 27 of 30, while Georgetown struggled at the line.

Yes, you read that right.

Methead
Feb 19 2010 08:43 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Yep, incredible free throw shooting last night.

Rautins gets beaten up every game, and he still manages to make big shots and good decisions.

Here's something fun to read - [url]http://ow.ly/19475

soupcan
Feb 23 2010 07:00 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Dropped 99 on Providence tonight and are now 26-2 heading into the showdown against Villanova on Saturday at the Carrier Dome. If you're watching it on ESPN, look for me in the crowd. I'll be the one wearing orange and screaming.

Fman99
Feb 24 2010 06:22 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

They make halftime adjustments better than any team in college ball. Credit to the coach on that.

Big game vs. Nova Saturday night. I will be home watching it on the big screen TV.

Methead
Feb 24 2010 08:40 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Nice to see them win a game despite allowing a team to make 14 3pt shots.

Rick Jackson went OFF for a career high, Rautins had a big shooting night too. I love the fact that they've really been establishing an inside game lately.

They've clinched a first round bye in the conference tournament, which is HUGE. And they actually get to skip the first TWO rounds, since this year all 16 teams are in.

Can't wait for the game on Saturday. 9:00 PM start.

Centerfield
Feb 24 2010 09:27 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I'm so pumped about this game.

They're going to crush Villanova. Absolutely crush them.

soupcan
Feb 24 2010 09:38 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":174yiz55]They're going to crush Villanova. Absolutely crush them.[/quote:174yiz55]

I wish I was as confident as you. I think it'll be a tight game and I'm concerned that Reynolds will school Triche and Scoop.

soupcan
Feb 24 2010 09:39 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Fman99":2695zi85]I will be home watching it on the big screen TV.[/quote:2695zi85]

How're you liking that big screen by the way? It's like a narcotic, right?

Fman99
Feb 24 2010 10:45 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="soupcan":16lvxrjv][quote="Fman99":16lvxrjv]I will be home watching it on the big screen TV.[/quote:16lvxrjv]

How're you liking that big screen by the way? It's like a narcotic, right?[/quote:16lvxrjv]

It's more fun than assless pants.

Seriously, now that my 46" is paid off it's time to upgrade the 32" downstairs as that's the "little" TV.

Methead
Feb 25 2010 12:18 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I hope they don't try this.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 25 2010 01:17 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead"]I hope they don't try this.


Below is the current configuration for basketball at the Carrier Dome. The court is, more or less, in one of the football end zones.





soupcan
Feb 25 2010 02:29 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

My seats for Saturday night are row AA section 124.

I'm either front row or row 27. Either way I'm very excited.

Methead
Feb 25 2010 03:16 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Yeah, I like the basketball setup the way it is. I think that blue curtain is gone now though, isn't it? And there are some good points in the article regarding existing season ticket holders, and where they'd end up.

I follow their thinking though... the way I see it there's no way they're going to be selling the place out for football in the near future, so they might as well try to fill it up for basketball.

Nice seats! I don't think I ever sat over there. Last game I went to, I was way up in 301 or 336 or something.

Methead
Feb 25 2010 03:20 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

And soup, I think you should make a big sign or something.

[url]http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/02/25/novas-stokes-issued-citation/

soupcan
Feb 25 2010 07:58 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead"]Nice seats! I don't think I ever sat over there.



I've actually at there plenty of times - when I was a student, those entire bleachers were the student section.

This time a client got them for me as a thank you way back in November - who knew?

[quote="Methead"]And soup, I think you should make a big sign or something.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/02/25/nova ... -citation/

I'm in my mid-40s. I'll leave the sign-making to the whippersnappers. I will try to come up with a clever cheer though. Something like - URRRRRRRRR-IN!URRRRRRRRR-IN!

Eh - that's not really so clever.

Fman99
Feb 27 2010 08:59 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Best team in the nation.

Methead
Feb 27 2010 09:13 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Fman99":r20pgxxx]Best team in the nation.[/quote:r20pgxxx]

YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Methead
Feb 28 2010 06:07 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

The top 3 teams all lost this weekend, leaving the door open for SU to jump to #1 for the first time since 1990. We'll see how the votes work out.

The team is playing their best basketball at the right time, that's for sure.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 28 2010 08:02 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead":1tusvh2i]The top 3 teams all lost this weekend, leaving the door open for SU to jump to #1 for the first time since 1990. We'll see how the votes work out.

The team is playing their best basketball at the right time, that's for sure.[/quote:1tusvh2i]

Purdue's loss all but guarantees that Syracuse will be the top-ranked team tomorrow. Their dismantling of Villanova yesterday is all the more impressive insofar as Wes Johnson's offensive game is still hampered by injuries he incurred in the last few weeks.

soupcan
Mar 01 2010 08:17 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

It was AWESOME BABY!



'Nuff said.

soupcan
Mar 01 2010 10:28 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Today:

AP Poll

1. Syracuse (59) 27-2 1,618
2. Kansas (6) 27-2 1,550
3. Kentucky 27-2 1,493
4. Duke 25-4 1,415
5. Kansas State 24-4 1,377
6. Ohio State 23-7 1,232
7. Purdue 24-4 1,169
8. New Mexico 27-3 1,151
9. Villanova 23-5 1,143
10. West Virginia 22-6 1,024
11. Michigan State 22-7 960
12. Butler 26-4 762
13. Vanderbilt 22-6 741
14. Brigham Young 26-4 633
15. Wisconsin 21-7 625
16. Tennessee 21-7 615
17. Pittsburgh 22-7 612
18. Gonzaga 24-5 554
19. Georgetown 19-8 548
20. Temple 24-5 547
21. Baylor 22-6 393
22. Maryland 21-7 249
23. Texas A&M 20-8 210
24. UTEP 22-5 124
25. Xavier 21-7 101

ESPN/USA Today

1. Syracuse (23) 27-2 766
2. Kansas (7) 27-2 741
3. Kentucky 27-2 698
4. Duke (1) 25-4 694
5. Kansas State 24-4 659
6. Purdue 24-4 585
7. Ohio State 23-7 559
8. West Virginia 22-6 526
9. Villanova 23-5 509
10. New Mexico 27-3 494
11. Butler 26-4 480
12. Michigan State 22-7 429
13. Tennessee 21-7 346
14. Gonzaga 24-5 341
15. Brigham Young 26-4 337
16. Temple 24-5 293
17. Wisconsin 21-7 258
18. Pittsburgh 22-7 255
19. Vanderbilt 22-6 246
20. Georgetown 19-8 240
21. UTEP 22-5 121
22. Baylor 22-6 104
23. Maryland 21-7 102
24. Texas A&M 20-8 92
25. Texas 22-7 43

Methead
Mar 01 2010 11:03 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Excellent!

soupcan
Mar 01 2010 11:15 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

How do Kansas and Kentucky lose and only drop one spot? Villanova gets dismantled and also only drops one. WTF?

Centerfield
Mar 02 2010 07:13 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I think it's the right call. Regardless of those losses, it's clear that those three are the best teams in the nation.

Centerfield
Mar 02 2010 07:27 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":286530lm]I'm so pumped about this game.

They're going to crush Villanova. Absolutely crush them.[/quote:286530lm]

By the way, what did I tell you?

I really thought it was going to be a beatdown for a few reasons:

1. 'Nova doesn't have that center that can bury the 15 footer at the foul line.

2. When this team gets pumped up for big games, they tend to deliver.

3. Syracuse, generally, tends to do well in these ginormous games where the entire population of Central New York crams into the Dome.

4. I thought Wes Johnson's hand would have healed and he'd have a monster game.

All but number 4 ended up being correct. I heard that Boeheim might rest Johnson if the hand doesn't show improvement. I'm all for this, we need him 100% for the tournament.

St. John's tonight. I'm guessing this is on SNY?

soupcan
Mar 02 2010 07:53 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Nice prognostication.

Yes - looks like SNY at 7:00 tonight. Senior night for Onuaku and Rautins.

Methead
Mar 02 2010 09:13 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":2s7ik2j4]I think it's the right call. Regardless of those losses, it's clear that those three are the best teams in the nation.[/quote:2s7ik2j4]

Yeah. I'm surprised the 1st place votes weren't split more evenly, to tell you the truth. A lot of people feel Kansas is still the better team.

Maybe they're right... but in my mind, SU is the best team in the best conference. There you go.

soupcan
Mar 02 2010 09:37 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

You're both right - it just bothers me - a team loses they usually drop 2-3 spots. When SU lost to Louisville two weeks ago they dropped from 2 to 5.

I was just talking to a friend of mine who is a Villanova alum and he told me that he couldn't believe how good Syracuse looked. He knew that the Wildcats had been off and on the past few weeks but he wasn't expecting them to be so dominated. He hadn't seen Syracuse play a lot and he said he was surprised at how good Rautins was and didn't realize what a complete player he was.

soupcan
Mar 03 2010 09:44 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 03 2010 09:50 AM

St. John's becomes the latest victim and first since Syracuse has been ranked #1, going down 85-66 at the Carrier Dome.

#1 Syracuse improves to 28-2, 15-2 and wins their first outright Big East regular season title since 1990-91.

Next up for the highest ranked team in the country is Louisville in Louisville. The Cardinals will be closing Rupp Arena for good, moving into a new downtown facility next season, and #1 ranked Syracuse will be looking to avenge 1 of their only 2 losses this year. The top-ranked Orange are 11-0 away from home this season.

Did I mention that Syracuse is #1?

soupcan
Mar 03 2010 09:50 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead"][url]http://www.suathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4936

Seeing his picture makes me think my little guy might have a future in hoops.

Pretty impressive bio, though.



Did you see his 3-pointer at the end of the game last night? Pretty funny.

Methead
Mar 03 2010 10:54 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

HA! I forgot about that post.

I love when walk-ons score points. If he'd converted the 4-point play, the place would have erupted.

soupcan
Mar 03 2010 11:15 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead":1ktrsypx]HA! I forgot about that post.[/quote:1ktrsypx]

It was the first thing I thought of when he hit it.

soupcan
Mar 04 2010 08:53 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse



March 4, 2010
Use of the Zone Attacks Perceptions and Ego
By RAY GLIER


Andy Rautins and Syracuse have had
great success using the zone defense this
season.



Man-to-man defense is the red meat of college basketball, with players held accountable on every possession. They crouch — sometimes so low they can slap their palms on the floor — as if defending against a threat more dangerous than an opponent with a basketball.

The zone, meanwhile, has traditionally been regarded as a white-flag defense — a capitulation, an admission that the opponent is too athletic to be stopped with a man-to-man.

For those who ridicule the zone as a defense for teams unfit for the rigors of man-to-man, Jamelle McMillan, a junior guard from Arizona State, invites them to find a safe spot to shoot from against the Sun Devils’ 2-3 matchup zone.

“I know guys on every team in the Pac and they hate it, they absolutely hate playing against our zone,” McMillan said, referring to the Pacific-10 Conference. The Sun Devils, even with the loss of two N.B.A. draft picks from last season’s team, were 20-9, 10-6 in the Pac-10, through Tuesday. They have carved an identity with their aggressive 2-3, keeping teams away from the basket while still managing to contest outside shots.

“I know what people say about zone defense,” McMillan said, “but our zone can be difficult to deal with.”

Few coaches in the college game side with McMillan and Arizona State Coach Herb Sendek and trust a zone as their primary defense. But plenty of them use it as a changeup to man-to-man.

How a team mixes in a zone could affect the N.C.A.A. tournament this month as opponents try to slow superior, athletic teams like Kansas, Kentucky and Villanova. A zone builds a wall to the basket against teams that have slashers, forcing them to shoot lower-percentage shots from long distance. It can also surround and stifle a gifted big man. And because the zone is less aggressive on the ball, teams can minimize foul trouble.

One of Kentucky’s two losses this season came when undermanned South Carolina, instead of being spread out by the Wildcats’ talent, kept its players’ heels inside the 3-point arc and covered the perimeter with a zone. Minnesota used a zone to cripple favored Wisconsin in a 68-52 victory. West Virginia has mixed in a zone with its man-to-man and is 23-6.

“Twenty years ago, there was that mind-set, I’m not a zone guy,” Notre Dame Coach Mike Brey said. “Somebody said that to me the other day and I said, I’m a whatever-works guy in this league.

“You’ve got to put your manhood away and figure out a way, especially in league games, to steal wins, and I think more and more guys are playing zone defenses.”

Coach Bruce Pearl of Tennessee, whose Volunteers beat Kentucky last weekend with the help of a zone, said: “Against a 2-3 zone, there are three or four, five things most teams do. There are 100 things people do against man. There aren’t as many good zone attacks.”

Although most teams prefer to play man-to-man, the zone has been an ally of college teams in the past, including Michigan State under Jud Heathcote, who guided the Spartans to the 1979 national championship using a zone defense. Nevada-Las Vegas, under Jerry Tarkanian, mixed in its amoeba zone defense when the Rebels were a national power in the late 1980s and early ’90s, and Temple used a matchup zone under John Chaney, who won 516 games with the Owls.

Today, two of the most intriguing teams in college basketball — Kentucky and No. 1 Syracuse — are dealing with the zone defense from opposite ends of the court.

The Wildcats (27-2, 12-2 Southeastern Conference) have three players who could be first-round picks in the 2010 N.B.A. draft — guard John Wall, center DeMarcus Cousins and forward Patrick Patterson — so opponents do not dare stick with a man-to-man very long against them.

Considering all the zone defenses Kentucky has seen this season, the Wildcats are going to have to beat down a zone from the outside at some point in the N.C.A.A. tournament. Against Tennessee, the Wildcats made only 2 of 22 3-point attempts, dropping from 72nd nationally to tied for 153rd with a percentage of 34.7.

The top-ranked Orange, meanwhile, was picked to finish sixth in the Big East, but it has led the conference standings most of the season with the aid of a zone defense made even tougher to penetrate by the athleticism of its players. Syracuse (28-2, 15-2) is second in field-goal-percentage defense (39.1) in the Big East and leads the conference with 10.1 steals a game in part because of rangy players whose long arms can cover the passing lanes.

“I think a lot of coaches do take a page from his book, not necessarily in playing a 2-3, but to play a zone,” Brey said of Syracuse Coach Jim Boeheim. “I think you see a movement, especially in league play, of people going to zone defense to see if teams can make shots and be basketball players enough to attack a zone for 40 minutes. It does put a different pressure on you and the rhythm of your offense.”

In its run to the 2003 national title, Syracuse had mobile players with length, like the 6-foot-8 Hakim Warrick and the 6-8 Carmelo Anthony, who could contest outside shots. In the N.C.A.A. tournament that season, the Orange defeated four Big 12 teams, none of them accustomed to attacking the zone.

“They play five as one,” Doug Gottlieb, a former player for Oklahoma State who is an analyst for ESPN, said of Syracuse. “They are really, really big. They have length and size inside. They don’t have to double in the post if they don’t want to. He recruits to the zone and their personnel fits that defense.”

Also, there is an offensive advantage to playing zone defense. Players do not have to expend as much energy — although in the best zones they often do — so they may have fresher legs for the other end of the floor.

But there are drawbacks, too. If, for example, an opponent solves the zone, what is Plan B?

“If your base defense is a 2-3 zone, and that’s all you do and the other team starts playing extremely well against it, what do you do now?” said Mick Cronin, the Cincinnati coach. “Most of us take the approach of trying to get our teams to guard people man-to-man and then if things don’t go well, you can always go to some form of a zone.”

Mike Montgomery, the California coach, said, “We’re starting to see some matchups and specialty zones out here a little bit that we haven’t seen in the past.”

Some teams feel they have no choice but to play zone. In reaching the Final Four three years in a row, including a loss in the national championship game to Florida in 2006, U.C.L.A. made a reputation for grinding up teams with its man-to-man defense. This season Coach Ben Howland has waved that white flag and gone zone.

“We don’t have the quickness to impose our will with man,” Howland said.

Howland suggests some teams do not have the physical ability to use man-to-man as a primary defense, but Gottlieb says there are other, more stubborn reasons coaches will not shuffle their team into a zone defense.

“Zone defense is seen as a lazy man’s defense, so sometimes there is a little bit of ego,” Gottlieb said. “Coaches want to prove they can teach their kids they can guard somebody. Frankly, there aren’t a lot of coaches who know how to coach a good zone.

“And, generally, kids don’t like to play zone, in terms of recruiting for the N.B.A. They like to get up and pressure.”

Methead
Mar 04 2010 10:10 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Did Jimmy decline to be interviewed or something?

soupcan
Mar 05 2010 08:34 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse



College Basketball's Quiet Dynasty
With a No. 1 Ranking and an Unorthodox Style, Syracuse Fights to Join Basketball's Elite


By DARREN EVERSON



34,616: Carrier Dome attendance record set last Saturday.
Syracuse, N.Y.

College basketball has its holy half dozen: Duke, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina and UCLA. These are the schools that have won the most NCAA tournament titles—the first ones that come up in every discussion of the sport's royalty.

But what about Syracuse, which just took over the nation's No. 1 ranking? Do they belong in the highest echelon too, or are they just too weird?

The Orange, who are 28-2 this season heading into Saturday's game at Louisville, play in a football dome in a snowy outpost where the average low temperature in January is 14 degrees. While most Division I teams like to get in their opponents' faces with a pesky man-to-man defense, they play an unorthodox zone. Many teams struggle with the fundamentals, but they've run up the nation's best field-goal percentage. And rather than building a team around one or two playmakers, the way everyone else does, Syracuse depends on seven interchangeable players with complementary skills.

Syracuse, by the Numbers:


.405
Guard Andy Rautins's three-point percentage


Forward Wesley Johnson
1st
Team's national rank in field-goal-shooting percentage



Coach Jim Boeheim
8-0
Road record this season

"We don't have a McDonald's All-American on this team," says coach Jim Boeheim, who has won at least 20 games in 32 of his 34 seasons. "We've beaten teams that have five or six of them on their team. That doesn't matter. You have to develop into good players, and these guys have."

If Syracuse manages to beat Louisville, one of only two teams to beat them this season, the team will finish the season with a perfect record on the road and head to the Big East tournament with a full head of steam. If all goes well, the Orange may finally be able to overcome the biggest hole in its resume: For all its success over time, Syracuse has made just four trips to the Final Four and has only won it once, in 2003.

This year's team is potentially the best Mr. Boeheim has ever had, despite lacking a player the caliber of Derrick Coleman, the NBA's first overall pick in 1990, or Carmelo Anthony, who led Syracuse to its only NCAA tournament title in 2003. Defensively, the Orange's deceptively aggressive zone creates steals at the third-highest rate in the nation. Offensively, they constantly get easy shots because seemingly everyone can pass and score, like senior guard Andy Rautins, who is making better than 40% of his three-pointers and averaging nearly five assists a game. They also have a devastating .518 field-goal percentage.

"What makes them so good is they're so cohesive," says Rony Seikaly, a star Syracuse center in the 1980s. "It reminds you of international teams playing the U.S. They can go out and beat better teams just because they're willing to make the extra pass."

When Mr. Boeheim, now 65, first arrived on campus as a freshman walk-on in 1962, Syracuse was a different place.

"When we got there, football was the sport," says Detroit mayor Dave Bing, a Basketball Hall of Famer who was a teammate and roommate of Mr. Boeheim's. "You had just come off Ernie Davis winning the Heisman. You had John Mackey and Floyd Little who were [legends]. Football was the sport. But since Jimmy took over, basketball without a doubt has overtaken that city."

Part of that is because of the bewildering collapse of the football team. Since the 2004 decision to replace coach Paul Pasqualoni, who achieved steady but modest success, Syracuse football has finished last in the Big East Conference the past five seasons, struggling to recruit.

But the basketball team has capitalized on the uniqueness of the 30-year-old Carrier Dome, a roughly 50,000-seat building named for the Carrier air-conditioning and refrigeration company. Last Saturday, Syracuse set the on-campus attendance record for a college basketball game (34,616) in a rout of then-No. 7 Villanova. The Orange have a football-like following, with hordes of fans trekking south each year to New York City for the Big East tournament, crashing in friends' apartments and invading the pubs near Madison Square Garden.

Games at the dome are different than those elsewhere, though. Because of the stadium's size and layout, fans aren't on top of the court. The student section is behind one of the baskets, and not along the sidelines, where the kids would be closer to the action. Despite its size, the dome isn't as intimidating as conference rival Pittsburgh's arena, where the crowd is typically half as big.

"There were some games that we could've used more support," says Syracuse junior Trenton Gaucher, president of Otto's Army, a student organization that promotes athletics. "I feel like some of these students are going to miss out."

Despite the team's balance and chemistry, Syracuse wouldn't be No. 1 without do-it-all junior forward Wesley Johnson, a transfer from Iowa State who chose the school two years ago in spite of its weather. "I don't think I'll ever get used to how cold it is," says Mr. Johnson, who is from east Texas. But he liked the opportunity at Syracuse so much, he canceled scheduled visits to West Virginia, Pittsburgh and Ohio State.

Mr. Johnson is a rarity in the Syracuse program: In his 34 years as head coach, Mr. Boeheim says he has taken four transfers. He doesn't bother with them, he says, "because if they have problems or they're not playing somewhere else, they're sure not going to play here." This time, however, he tweaked the formula just a little, and to great success.

—David Biderman contributed to this article.
Write to Darren Everson at darren.everson@wsj.com

soupcan
Mar 06 2010 04:09 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Orange lose to Louisville by 10, 78-68. I guess KC was watching the game today...



On to MSG and the Big East Tournament starting Thursday with, I believe, the noon game against an as yet to be determined opponent.

Ashie62
Mar 06 2010 04:15 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

You will still be a1 or 2 seed..have faith

Methead
Mar 06 2010 07:57 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Should be a 1 seed, regardless.

I taped the game today since I had all kinds of crap to do, but all day long I just felt like they were gonna lose it anyway. You had the emotion involved with Louisville closing down that arena, coupled with Pitino's ridiculous ability to seemingly beat the Cuse at will... I don't know, it seemed inevitable. Seems like Pitino just comes up with the perfect game plan every time against SU.

Haven't looked at any stats yet but it would have helped if our guys could have made some of those easy layups they blew. And it didn't seem like there was anything happening from outside the arc at all.

Ah well. ONWARD!

edit: Someone should have given that Kuric dude an elbow to the nuts at some point. I mean, come on.

Centerfield
Mar 08 2010 07:53 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Whatever about the loss.

I just hope Joseph and Johnson get healthy for the Big Dance. I'd like to win a few games in the Big East Championship too, but I wouldn't mind if they got some extra rest either.

MFS62
Mar 08 2010 08:33 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Saw the pic.
Just curious.
How many fans do they get for a women's basketball game?

Later

Methead
Mar 08 2010 09:45 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Fairfield University can earn a trip to the tournament if they beat Siena tonight in the MAAC championship game. It's on ESPN2 at 7:00.

It's pretty much a home game for Siena though.

Fman99
Mar 08 2010 09:54 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="MFS62":274otzxr]Saw the pic.
Just curious.
How many fans do they get for a women's basketball game?

Later[/quote:274otzxr]

The women don't play in the Dome, they play in Manley Field House which has a much smaller capacity.

Centerfield
Mar 08 2010 09:59 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

And the number is seven.

Methead
Mar 09 2010 02:27 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Big East Tournament , First Round

St. John's 73, UConn 51

Ouch!

Fman99
Mar 09 2010 03:19 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

To which I say, to UConn, nanner nanner nanner :P

Methead
Mar 11 2010 12:18 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Uh-oh.

That makes 2 losses in a row... but if Onuaku's knee injury is serious, that's a much bigger problem. Not the same knee he hurt before, but it didn't look good.

Turns out Georgetown's pretty good in 2nd half of ballgames.

edit : thanks to the internets, word from Arinze's mom is the x-rays are negative.

Centerfield
Mar 11 2010 12:24 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

What happened to Onuaku?

TransMonk
Mar 11 2010 12:29 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Ouch indeed. Still a #1 seed?

Methead
Mar 11 2010 12:38 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":335qcmk4]What happened to Onuaku?[/quote:335qcmk4]

Not really sure. It didn't look like he landed weird, stepped on anyone's foot or knocked knees or anything... but he ended up rolling around on the ground for a few minutes clutching his right knee... had to be helped off the court.

It's apparently not horribly serious though.

In my mind they still get a #1 seed, but it's a lot closer than it was this morning. I think it depends more on Onuaku's status than anything else.

Fman99
Mar 11 2010 01:41 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

If they're going to lose a tournament game, this tournament was the one in which to lose.

I care not about this, plenty of #2 seeds go on and win the whole thing.

soupcan
Mar 11 2010 06:30 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Fman99":t8dyzh47]If they're going to lose a tournament game, this tournament was the one in which to lose.

I care not about this, plenty of #2 seeds go on and win the whole thing.[/quote:t8dyzh47]


Always hate to lose to Georgetown, especially in the BE Tourney but I agree with Fman. I was there today and when Arinze went down it looked bad, he was writhing in pain. Everybody says he'll be okay for the Big dance though. Onward and Upward...

Methead
Mar 11 2010 06:50 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Yeah, I guess I'm not too broken up over this either. Hell, it seems like UConn loses in the first round every year and it doesn't hurt their NCAA tournament chances any.

Probably a good thing anyway, even if Onuaku can't fully practice, he should at least be able to work on his form at the free throw line.

The Garden sure got quiet when he went down.

Fman99
Mar 12 2010 05:13 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Villanova and Pitt join SU in the Big East tourney upsets with losses to Marquette and Notre Dame, respectively. I think this helps Syracuse's case -- the Big East is just a tough conference, where even your lower Big East tourney seeds are more than capable of beating a nationally ranked top 15 team.

Centerfield
Mar 12 2010 07:30 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

X-Rays negative on Onuaku, MRI today.

According to Pete Thamel, SU doctors don't think it's serious, but rumor has it that there was a "pop". Which usually means torn ligament.

I don't know if that's something an x-ray would show.

Methead
Mar 12 2010 04:15 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Quad "injury"

Might be able to practice on Monday.

Methead
Mar 14 2010 06:13 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Funny. All the news out of Syracuse leading up to the bracket selections was about how Onuaku would probably be able to practice Monday.

Now that everything is set, word is that he won't practice all week, and might not play at all in the 1st / 2nd rounds.

Centerfield
Mar 22 2010 08:44 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

So, Sweet Sixteen for the good guys. At the beginning of the season, I would have taken it and called it a good year. Now, it would be crushing to lose this next game.

I hope AO gets better soon. I didn't get a chance to watch the games, but it looked like DaShonte Riley fouled out in 15 minutes with no points, no rebounds. Not good.

Methead
Mar 22 2010 10:07 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Yeah, luckily the way they were shooting the ball from outside, they didn't need Riley to do much, other than absorb the minutes. He did have a nice assist to Triche in the lane.

They've been lucky in the sense that neither Vermont or Gonzaga were able to make any shots from outside... I assume Butler will be able to make more.

Can't wait for the next episode of the Wes & Andy show.

soupcan
Mar 23 2010 07:36 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Very upset that reports are saying that Onuaku will probably not play on Thursday. I can't believe that he would then all of a sudden be ready for Saturday should they get there.

From what I've read about Butler they are not a great 3 point-shooting team and even without Arinze, Syracuse's size (Jackson, Johnson, Joseph and Riley) is better than anything they've got.

If Butler continues to underperform from the perimeter, the Orange should be in good shape to get to Saturday.

metirish
Mar 23 2010 07:38 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Not that I am a huge fan or anything and I only have interest in Syracuse because you lot do but some of the teams in the last 16 I have never heard of them.....

Centerfield
Mar 23 2010 08:00 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="soupcan":1twz47ap]Very upset that reports are saying that Onuaku will probably not play on Thursday. I can't believe that he would then all of a sudden be ready for Saturday should they get there.

From what I've read about Butler they are not a great 3 point-shooting team and even without Arinze, Syracuse's size (Jackson, Johnson, Joseph and Riley) is better than anything they've got.

If Butler continues to underperform from the perimeter, the Orange should be in good shape to get to Saturday.[/quote:1twz47ap]

Where did you hear this?

metirish
Mar 23 2010 08:03 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":26fe25ag][quote="soupcan":26fe25ag]Very upset that reports are saying that Onuaku will probably not play on Thursday. I can't believe that he would then all of a sudden be ready for Saturday should they get there.

From what I've read about Butler they are not a great 3 point-shooting team and even without Arinze, Syracuse's size (Jackson, Johnson, Joseph and Riley) is better than anything they've got.

If Butler continues to underperform from the perimeter, the Orange should be in good shape to get to Saturday.[/quote:26fe25ag]

Where did you hear this?[/quote:26fe25ag]



It's what's been said at the edge of the cliff.

Methead
Mar 23 2010 08:04 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="metirish":wrcq3nkb]... some of the teams in the last 16 I have never heard of them.....[/quote:wrcq3nkb]

Heh. Same here. I'll confess I never knew Northern Iowa existed... but that's why it's always a fun tournament to watch.

Methead
Mar 23 2010 08:16 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="soupcan":3pwb1w1f]
From what I've read about Butler they are not a great 3 point-shooting team[/quote:3pwb1w1f]

Yeah, I was going more on reputation than anything else... overall they shoot about 34% from downtown. Shelvin Mack is the only starter making 40%.

Compare that with our guys and it's not even close... SU is around 39% overall.

Wes Johnson 41.3%
Triche 41%
Rautins 40.3%
Jardine 39.6%

Plus Mookie Jones is around 44% in limited action... and there's the secret weapon, Brandon Reese who's shooting 100% from out there.

Centerfield
Mar 23 2010 08:20 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

I will be very happy if I see Brandon Reese this weekend.

Methead
Mar 23 2010 08:54 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Centerfield":2cv1y70e]I will be very happy if I see Brandon Reese this weekend.[/quote:2cv1y70e]

Amen to that.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 23 2010 09:00 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead":jdtte8si][quote="Centerfield":jdtte8si]I will be very happy if I see Brandon Reese this weekend.[/quote:jdtte8si]

Amen to that.[/quote:jdtte8si]

A Brandon Reese appearance will bode very well for the SU Men's basketball team. Or very bad.

soupcan
Mar 23 2010 09:01 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 23 2010 09:05 AM

[quote="Centerfield"][quote="soupcan"]Very upset that reports are saying that Onuaku will probably not play on Thursday. I can't believe that he would then all of a sudden be ready for Saturday should they get there.

From what I've read about Butler they are not a great 3 point-shooting team and even without Arinze, Syracuse's size (Jackson, Johnson, Joseph and Riley) is better than anything they've got.

If Butler continues to underperform from the perimeter, the Orange should be in good shape to get to Saturday.



Where did you hear this?


I saw a Boeheim quote - I think on syracuse.com - saying that Onuaku will 'probably not' play on Thursday. Here is something: Arinze Onuaku still healing, unlikely to practice for Syracuse

The Butler stuff I just got from various places.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 23 2010 09:03 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="soupcan":1ap1wmqr][quote="Centerfield":1ap1wmqr][quote="soupcan":1ap1wmqr]Very upset that reports are saying that Onuaku will probably not play on Thursday. I can't believe that he would then all of a sudden be ready for Saturday should they get there.

From what I've read about Butler they are not a great 3 point-shooting team and even without Arinze, Syracuse's size (Jackson, Johnson, Joseph and Riley) is better than anything they've got.

If Butler continues to underperform from the perimeter, the Orange should be in good shape to get to Saturday.[/quote:1ap1wmqr]

Where did you hear this?[/quote:1ap1wmqr]


I saw a Boeheim quote - I think on syracuse.com - saying that Onuaku will 'probably not' play on Thursday.

The Butler stuff I just got from various places.[/quote:1ap1wmqr]

It was also noted on ESPN's ticker/crawler during last night's College Game Day Scoreboard show.

soupcan
Mar 23 2010 11:37 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Boeheim voted Coach of the Year.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 25 2010 04:20 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Last week's SI cover (regional):

Methead
Mar 25 2010 05:59 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

You think Butler is just a bit better defensively than SU was expecting? Lots of lazy passes in that first half... and Butler got a ton of offensive rebounds.

Cuse has only been able to get a fast break started a handful of times... not a good half at all.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 25 2010 06:15 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

[quote="Methead":2ipyst1c]You think Butler is just a bit better defensively than SU was expecting? Lots of lazy passes in that first half... and Butler got a ton of offensive rebounds.

Cuse has only been able to get a fast break started a handful of times... not a good half at all.[/quote:2ipyst1c]

Butler's defense is smothering SU. SU can't get the ball inside, and can't get offensive boards. Did I jinx things with my previous post here?

Methead
Mar 25 2010 07:14 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Ugh.

These losses are a lot tougher when your team, despite playing terribly, still could have made a couple plays down the stretch to escape with the win.

What happened to Rick Jackson's hands?

Fman99
Mar 25 2010 08:00 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Well, shit.

metirish
Mar 25 2010 08:56 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

This whole tourney must be a nightmare for CBS. Cornell getting hammered now , can't imagine neutrals will be watching.

soupcan
Mar 26 2010 06:59 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Boo.

Got to give the Butler 'D' lots of credit. They came to play.

Frayed Knot
Mar 26 2010 07:05 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

'Nightmare' is too strong a word - but the dirty little secret about this tourney is that, while most claim to want to see underdogs and "the little guy" succeed, the TV ratings are better when the same old usual suspects advance since surprises sneaking through tend to bust the hell out of most brackets which in turn causes a tuning out from bunches of those casual fans who only stay interested as long as they're still in the running for their office pool.

But, either way, I don't think we need to hold a telethon for either CBS or the NCAA

MFS62
Mar 26 2010 08:33 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

The Big East is lookin' kinda' tiny.
Later

soupcan
Apr 12 2010 06:54 PM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Bummer, dude.

Methead
Apr 13 2010 06:58 AM
Re: Bad Syracuse

Hard to blame him. He's already ancient, by NBA rookie standards.

Having Wes was a nice surprise this past year... losing Rautins will hurt a lot though too.