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Edgy MD
Oct 25 2009 06:49 PM

Well, not for another week yet, actually. But it's a good time to get your orders in. The Miracle Has Landed, if you believe the dustjacket, is "The most authoritative chronicling of baseball’s most endearing underdog story."



Timed most imperfectly to mark the 40th anniversary of the heartlifting 1969 Mets, The Miracle Has Landed features 40+ chapters telling the story of the Miracle Mets, featuring comprehensive biographies of each of the players and coaches, several of which are written by regular contributors to the Crane Pool. Nothing short of such a book could redeem a Mets calendar year this disappointing.

Edited by Matthew Silverman (100 Things Mets Fans Should Know and Do Before They Die, Mets Essential, and Mets by the Numbers, and Shea Goodbye) and Ken Samuelson (Amazing Mets Trivia, The Great All-Time Baseball Record Book, The Macmillan Baseball Encyclopedia Quiz Book, and The Baseball Encyclopedia) reflects years in the making by some Met-lovin' outstanding writers, and I recommend it enthusiastically without any thought of ever seeing a dime. I return you to the dustjacket:

"The Miracle Has Landed celebrates those loveable Mets like no other book, complete with photos and artifacts of the time. A project of the Society for American Baseball Research, this volume gathers the collective efforts of more than forty SABR members and friends of the non-profit research society and features profiles of every player, coach, broadcaster, and significant front-office member connected to that great Mets squad. Included are Hall of Famers Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan, beloved manager Gil Hodges, the talented outfield of Cleon Jones, Tommie Agee, and Ron Swoboda, drill sergeant backstop Jerry Grote, crucial midseason acquisition Donn Clendenon, scrappy shortstop Bud Harrelson, and a pitching staff that went far deeper than just Seaver and Ryan: Gary Gentry, Don Cardwell, Jim McAndrew, Tug McGraw, Ron Taylor, and Jerry Koosman, who won the first Mets World Series game and then won the first Mets world championship. Forty years later the Miracle Mets are still revered, the first world champion expansion team and the club that stole New York’s heart."

For you Mets author groupies, the chapter credits are below.

Foreword
Jerry Koosman

Introduction: A Magic Summer:
The '69 Mets, 40 Years Later

Stanley Cohen

1969: Mets (Poem)
Robert L. Harrison

Acknowledgments

The Players Section

Agee, Tommie
John Vorperian

Boswell, Ken
Mike Bender

Cardwell, Don
Matthew Silverman

Charles, Ed
Edward Hoyt

Clendenon, Donn
Edward Hoyt

Collins, Kevin
Jon Springer

DiLauro, Jack
Sam Bernstein

Dyer, Duffy
Adam Ulrey

Frisella, Danny
Greg Spira

Garrett, Wayne
Les Masterson

Gaspar, Rod
Maxwell Kates

Gentry, Gary
Andrew Schiff

Gosger, Jim
Mark Armour

Grote, Jerry
Joseph Wancho

Harrelson, Bud
Eric Aron

Heise, Bob
Bill Nowlin

Hudson, Jesse
Bill Johnson

Jackson, Al
Greg W. Prince
Johnson, Bob
Bruce Markusen

Jones, Cleon
Fred Worth

Koonce, Cal
Matthew Silverman

Koosman, Jerry
Irvin Goldfarb

Kranepool, Ed
Tara Krieger

Martin, J.C.
Neal Poloncarz

McAndrew, Jim
Paul Rogers

McGraw, Tug
Matthew Silverman

Otis, Amos
Bill Lamberty

Pfeil, Bobby
Mark Simon

Rohr, Les
Jon Springer

Ryan, Nolan
Talmage Boston

Seaver, Tom
Maxwell Kates

Shamsky, Art
Eric Aron

Swoboda, Ron
Len Pasculli

Taylor, Ron
Maxwell Kates

Weis, Al
Michael Cahill

=#0040FF]Mgr/Coaches Section

Hodges, Gil
John Saccoman

Berra, Yogi
Dave Williams

Pignatano, Joe
Paul Hirsch

Walker, Rube
Dave Williams
Yost, Eddie
Andrew Schiff

=#0040FF]Front Office and Announcers

Payson, Joan
Joan Thomas

Murphy, Johnny
John Vorperian

Grant, M. Donald
Rob Edelman

A World Championship Announcing Trio
Curt Smith

Kiner Interview on '69
Matthew Silverman

=#0000FF]The Miracle Has Landed Section

Meet the Mets
Matt Silverman

Shea Stadium (Old Address)
Greg Prince

Spring Ahead
Matt Silverman

Reg Season
Matt Silverman

1969 Walkoffs
metswalkoffs.com

Imperfection
Matt Silverman

Moose
Bruce Markusen

Platoon
Matt Silverman

1969 Postseason
Ron Kaplan

=#0000FF]Appendix

Red Murff: Accessory before the Fact
Mike Bielawa

What Happened to the '69 Mets?

Seaver 1969 Game by Game

Mets 1969 Stats

Mets 1969 Postseason

A Miracle's Aftermath

Jacob Kanarek


A few of those chapters may have been killed and not gotten into the final manuscript. I dunno. But you can tell I'm pretty excited. I promise you the book was written better than this post. Please consider adding it to the reading list of someone you love, especially if you love yourself.

To purchase your'n ---

From the Potomac Books website: http://www.potomacbooksinc.com/Books/Bo ... tID=186448

From Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Has-Lande ... 957&sr=8-1

From Barnes & Noble: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Mi ... 1934186176

From buy.com: http://www.buy.com/prod/the-miracle-has ... 30482.html

From borders.com: http://www.borders.com/online/store/Tit ... 1934186171

cooby
Oct 27 2009 06:49 PM
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Jerry. And Jerry.

Edgy MD
Oct 27 2009 08:40 PM
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Sorry?

d'Kong76
Oct 27 2009 09:05 PM
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Looks cool. Can't wait to see it.

(someone needs to wake up the nyc sabr web-site again)

metirish
Oct 28 2009 07:00 AM
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WOW....lookign forward to it......you lot are full of surprises....

Jackson, Al
Greg W. Prince

Shea Stadium (Old Address)
Greg Prince

make yer mind up mate :)

Edgy MD
Oct 28 2009 07:16 AM
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That comes from a preliminary chapter listing. It also had me listed as "Ed." I hope that's not the byline I get on the final product. But waddayagonnado?

MFS62
Oct 28 2009 08:32 AM
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Edgy, congrats.
Do you know any MLBS who hosts a TV show that you can get on to plug the book?
Also -
Do you feel that you got to "know" Donn?
Do you think he'd be happy that I named a memorial roster spot after him?

Later

Edgy MD
Oct 28 2009 08:52 AM
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I'm just a contributor so I'm letting the editors and publisher take the lead on promoting the book. I'm contributing suggestions but my main promotion is, well this thread.

As for Clendenon, you seem to be asking if I had sex with him, and no, I didn't. I like my contributions, but I have to confess a large chunk of the Donn essay (80%, maybe) comes from his autobiography plus some fact-checking to make sure he got his own life right --- unsurprisingly, he had some errors in there.

I'm happier with the Charles one, which was drawn in small bits from many sources, but I didn't make the effort to try to get an interview with him, which is lame in retrospect. I'm not so afraid of big shots --- I can flirt with Donald Rumsfeld --- but I am somewhat awed by guys who were bigshots when I was a kid.

I have to hand it to the guys who were able to get good solid biographical material on the backbenchers. I couldn't imagine a call along the lines of:

"Hey, Edgy, we need you to contribute to a 1969 Mets book."

"Great!"

"We need a 6,000 word bio on Bob Heise, STAT!"

"Ummmm...."

I'm honored to have been included, and ashamed at how late-coming my essays were (though not the last, thankfully). The original launch date was spring, back when, you know, people cared about the Mets. But I was busy getting married and getting fat at the time I should have been writing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 28 2009 09:09 AM
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I batted .500 on my contributions. I tracked down and spoke with Kevin Collins on two occasions, who was a salt-of-the-earth kinda guy who I felt like I got to know at least a little. But I whiffed badly on Les Rohr despite having written a letter to his daughter and leaving 2 phone messages with his sister-in-law.

Long after I turned in the Rohr piece based almost entirely on an MLB.com article a few years old, a contact from the Billings Mont. American Legion provided me with his cell number.... which I'll use next time...

I specifically requested to write about scrubs: Collins because he's notable for having worn 4 different uni numbers as a Met -- he was delighted to know that someone knew that -- and Rohr because I have this idea for a project interviewing No. 1 draft picks.

Not listed in the highlights above is at least 1 piece of reproduced artwork from my dad who drew sports cartoons in the Suffolk Sun newspaper that season.

metirish
Oct 28 2009 09:21 AM
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Very cool , really looking forward to this..

TransMonk
Oct 28 2009 09:25 AM
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This has landed...on my Xmas list.

MFS62
Oct 28 2009 09:26 AM
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JCL,
I've wondered why a first round draft pick like Ryan Jaroncyk would, after one year, decide he didn't want to be a baseball player any more. I hope that project gets done, so you could get the answer to that question.

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 28 2009 09:35 AM
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He actually played three seasons (in the Mets organization, anyway) and in his third year he hit .174 in 86 at bats in Single A. Maybe he came to the not-unreasonable conclusion that he wasn't going to be able to make a go of it.

http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=3H78

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 28 2009 09:47 AM
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I thought I read somewhere that he eventually did play again, maybe with Dodgers org. I forget.

Frayed Knot
Oct 28 2009 12:10 PM
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I've wondered why a first round draft pick like Ryan Jaroncyk would, after one year, decide he didn't want to be a baseball player any more.


He actually played three seasons (in the Mets organization, anyway) and in his third year he hit .174 in 86 at bats in Single A. Maybe he came to the not-unreasonable conclusion that he wasn't going to be able to make a go of it.


Those three seasons were more like one plus pieces of two others: the partial year in which he was drafted, one full year, then the beginning of the next. It was during that partial last season where he walked out declaring that he didn't want to play baseball anymore.
IIRC, the story was along the lines of him claiming that he never really liked the sport and only played it because he was good at it and that his dad had pushed him into it. But now his parents were divorcing and so he no longer felt the obligation to fake things any longer. He also felt no obligation to return the nearly $1million bonus he had received.

He did resurface two seasons later in the Dodger system lasting pieces of two seasons before calling it quits for good having never risen above A-ball.

Vic Sage
Oct 30 2009 09:23 AM
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congrats, guys. i'll be sure to pick it up, especially if it has Frank Springer art!

Edgy MD
Oct 30 2009 09:42 AM
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Edgy DC wrote:
Sorry?


Oh, duh, now I get it.

G-Fafif
Oct 30 2009 02:48 PM
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metirish wrote:
Jackson, Al
Greg W. Prince

Shea Stadium (Old Address)
Greg Prince

make yer mind up mate :)


The former, but sometimes the W. falls off in transit.

Looking forward to seeing the final product.

Edgy MD
Oct 30 2009 03:03 PM
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I don't know if my acknowledgements made it into the acknowledgments, so let me here send out special thanks to Greg W. Prince for helping me find some of Ed Charles' poetry, and Professor Old Mole for helping me confidently analyze it.

G-Fafif
Oct 30 2009 05:32 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
I don't know if my acknowledgements made it into the acknowledgments, so let me here send out special thanks to Greg W. Prince for helping me find some of Ed Charles' poetry, and Professor Old Mole for helping me confidently analyze it.


You're W. Elcome.

Edgy MD
Oct 30 2009 09:33 PM
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So, are you heading to the store to buy a copy at midnight also?

dgwphotography
Nov 02 2009 12:07 PM
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This is fantastic! I can't wait to pick up a copy

bmfc1
Nov 03 2009 07:56 AM
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Ugh. Amazon just sent me a message that there is a shipping delay. "Estimated arrival date: November 18 2009 - December 02 2009."

Edgy MD
Nov 03 2009 08:03 AM
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Ah, crap, I'm going to check with the publisher.

metsguyinmichigan
Nov 03 2009 09:00 AM
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Outstanding, guys!!!! I'll order my copy today.

A Boy Named Seo
Nov 03 2009 02:23 PM
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The people at this joint do not cease to amaze. Congrats, guys. Really looking forward to it.

themetfairy
Nov 03 2009 02:24 PM
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So far it isn't available on BarnesandNoble.com :(

Edgy MD
Nov 03 2009 02:42 PM
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The publisher tells me it's available and I placed an order with them.

http://www.maplestreetpress.com/book.cfm?book_id=63

None of that phat discounting, however.

themetfairy
Nov 03 2009 02:50 PM
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Will it eventually be available through Barnes & Noble?

Edgy MD
Nov 03 2009 02:54 PM
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Only if they know what's good for them.

Edgy MD
Nov 10 2009 09:27 AM
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It strikes me as I anticpate with hope the proliferation of this book that the bar has been set pretty low for what constitutes a stunning upset.

bmfc1
Nov 10 2009 02:46 PM
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Amazon says "shipped!"

Edgy MD
Nov 11 2009 12:41 PM
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Wifey says delivered!

bmfc1
Nov 11 2009 12:47 PM
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Delivered! Looks amazin'!

d'Kong76
Nov 15 2009 08:20 AM
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It's hit the shelves of B&N-Greenburgh NY ... KB just called to tell
me she scored a copy! I wanted her to pick up the Cubs story that's
out too ... not in stock.

Edgy MD
Nov 25 2009 07:08 PM
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OntheBlack.com's Kerel Cooper has a three-part review. Part one is a videoblog and parts two and three are an interview with Matt Silverman.

http://www.ontheblack.com/

He seems to enjoy the sidebars most of all.

Edgy MD
Dec 01 2009 04:43 PM
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When you're desperate for reviews of any kind, I guess you can't be picky about paragraph breaks.

http://www.wikio.com/shopping/core/view ... 00&rt=6008

Edgy MD
Dec 04 2009 07:12 AM
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So I open randomly last night to Al Jackson, and I'm thinking, "This takes a lot of balls, opening with this long tangent about Rod Kanehl. I see where this guy is going, but to go this far in the opening without actually mentioning Al Jackson at all, well, you better be a good writer, because with each turn, you're in danger of losing the reader."

But damned if the writer doesn't pull it off --- deftly navigating the tangent with splendid phrasing like describing Kanehl in 1969 as a "suitably dazzled and slightly grizzled spectator" and referencing the 1969ers suddenly dim relation to the "foibles and floundering of their very first forebears."

So I turn to the byline to see who this wordsmith is. OF COURSE, it's G-FaFiF. OF COURSE!

Anyhow, can we have a Two Boots meetup featuring The Miracle Has Landed? And if we do, can we call it "An Evening of Wining, Dining, and 'Sixty-Nining"? Please?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 04 2009 08:47 AM
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I had a similar reaction to that piece. I couldn't imagine I would even attempt to zero in from that distance on any topic, it's just not in my writing DNA. I'm reliably guilty of blowing my load as quickly and efficiently as possible. That's what she said.

By the way, and I'm not saying this just cuz I'm a nice guy, because I'm not, but I really liked the Ed Charles piece best of all those I read, there's a lot of good stuff in there and it's well-told.

Edgy MD
Dec 04 2009 08:53 AM
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Thanks a lot. I wrote that in late-night sessions. I knew I had a lot of good material, but even my re-reads were done after midnight, so I had no idea how well it held together from section to section, and I was very gratified when Matt told me he liked it.

And if playing your high card is really "blowing your load," I didn't even get my pants off with Donn Clendenon, did I?

G-Fafif
Dec 04 2009 09:36 AM
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I appreciate the kind words where Little Al is concerned and accept them at least partly on George Vecsey's behalf.

Honestly, the Kanehl story was the first thing I thought of when I accepted the assignment. The thought process probably dates back to when I was seven and had a 1970 Al Jackson card in which he was listed as a Red but was obviously wearing a Mets jersey. I looked on the back and saw his New York (N.L.) credentials and was rather surprised (as a seven-year-old might be) that someone who wasn't at this moment a Met was ever a Met. Reading and learning more over time never shook my sense of surprise that someone from the dark ages of 1962, besides Kranepool (whose "...but he wasn't an Original Met" status was pounded into me by the age of nine), was there in '69. I first read Vecsey's book, with the Kanehl anecdote, when I was twelve and the whole thing kind of coalesced into a big ball of anachronism from there. There were the 40-120 Mets, there were the 100-62 Mets, and the twain couldn't possibly meet. But they did, through Al Jackson, via Rod Kanehl, by way of George Vecsey.

I did not, however, have the biographical or reportorial ambitions you guys had in your pieces. Kudos on the research and resulting articles.

Edgy MD
Dec 04 2009 09:59 AM
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Yeah, sometimes the original angle that occurs to you is the one you have to play, whether it's easy when you sit down to type it up or hard.

I have this angle --- that black players of the first generations (the forties into the fifties) weren't really allowed to publckly be fully fleshed out people, and the 1964 Cardinals (and their Pirate brothers) sort of liberated the next generation.

Obviously, that's overbroad and works to different extents when filtered through different biographies, but in trying to play it out in both my essays, I almost became too wedded to it. I was afraid I was in danger of pursuing that angle, facts be damned.

But what a fascinating generation. Someday I want to write about Bob Veale. How did he never become a Met?

G-Fafif
Dec 04 2009 10:28 AM
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I knew about King, but I didn't realize, when I wrote a brief appreciation of Clendenon upon his passing in 2005, that Nish Williams was his stepfather, as opposed to his father (crossed my mind, given the different name, but I didn't identify him correctly then). It also never occurred to me that he split with Scripto. Not that I assumed he didn't, it was just one of those things I always associated him with.

themetfairy
Dec 08 2009 11:46 AM
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My copy arrived today - I'm looking forward to making my way through it :)

G-Fafif
Dec 20 2009 08:33 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 29 2009 03:01 AM

Sales pitch and enthusiastic interview with the editor here.

Edgy MD
Dec 28 2009 12:26 PM
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A few reviews cropped up over the holiday season:

The Ed Kranepool Society recommends it as essential

A review from athomeplate.com mentions this poster by name. (I'm somebody!)

Jim N. Shelle of Ya Gotta Believe honorably notes the inconsistent form and discrepancies from bio to bio but notes that it is lovingly told.

A Boy Named Seo
Dec 31 2009 10:34 AM
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Cool stuff. Congrats again, you guys. I loserly just ordered mine yesterday with an Xmas gift card. Can't wait to get my grubby mitts on it just the same.

seawolf17
Dec 31 2009 07:22 PM
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Ordered it yesterday as well. Looking forward to it.

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 02 2010 06:44 PM
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Damn, this is a bee-you-tee-ful book.

Edgy MD
Jan 03 2010 05:53 AM
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Wait 'til you see the inside.

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 03 2010 04:44 PM
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Don't rush me now.

d'Kong76
Jan 03 2010 05:54 PM
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I've jumped around instead of starting at the beginning. Of
course I had to read the contributors from the forum first.
First class so far!

seawolf17
Jan 04 2010 08:07 PM
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Got it in the mail today, along with this:



(Which is awesome.)

I'll say this, even though I've only read the prologue -- this is a SUBSTANTIAL book. It's enormous; I thought it was going to be MBTN-sized, but it's big and heavy. (That's not a knock on either book, just a statement of physical size.) I'm really looking forward to it.

Edgy MD
Feb 12 2010 09:27 PM
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SportsTalkNY devotes Sunday's show to the book:

http://www.theplayerspoint.com/THEPLAYE ... ALKNY.html

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 17 2010 02:18 PM
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Been reading this to the LWYP-in-utero for the last couple of weeks when it's been ornery. Well, this, and sections of William Easterly's "White Man's Burden."

You can include "calms kicking fetuses and makes expectant mothers pass out more effectively than 'White Man's Burden'" to the blurbs in any reprints.

Edgy MD
Feb 17 2010 02:31 PM
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Well, that's a mixed review, to be sure.

Edgy MD
Jun 15 2010 12:32 PM
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Still getting some pub, as Silverman gets a brief interview in metsblog:

http://www.metsblog.com/2010/06/15/qa-w ... log.com%29

Edgy MD
Dec 24 2010 08:24 AM
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AU $33.49

The Second Spitter
Dec 25 2010 11:44 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
AU $33.49


Sorry already bought my copy ages ago...

Edgy MD
Dec 26 2010 02:24 PM
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I thought that might have been you selling it.

Willets Point
Jan 03 2011 10:03 AM
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I still need to read this. I suck as friend of talented Mets-fan authors.

G-Fafif
Jan 18 2011 04:51 PM
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Not that TMHL shouldn't be a part of everyone's baseball library, but you can read CPFers' contributions online RIGHT NOW!

Third baseman Ed Charles

First baseman Donn Clendenon

Infielder Kevin Collins

Pitcher Al Jackson

Pitcher Les Rohr

Edgy MD
Jan 18 2011 06:15 PM
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Wonderful.

(Reading the Clendennon essay, however, that's the un-copyedited version. How embarassing.)

Edgy MD
Aug 13 2011 12:35 PM
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Can anybody post a scan or a screenshot of today's Newsday crossword?

Edgy MD
Aug 13 2011 04:20 PM
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At any rate, check out five down.

Edgy MD
Aug 13 2011 08:12 PM
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Here it is.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 13 2011 08:37 PM
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Cool!

Frayed Knot
Aug 13 2011 09:25 PM
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Crossword puzzles are often constructed by user/geeks, but the clues are usually made - or at least approved - by the titular editor.
You should try to contact the puzzle editor in this case to see where/how he came up with the clue.

Edgy MD
Aug 14 2011 05:47 AM
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I'm sure he/she is a friend of G-FaFiF.

seawolf17
Aug 15 2011 07:33 AM
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EDGY fits, but it doesn't work with the cross clues.