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MFS62
Nov 16 2009 10:37 AM

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... cleid=9763

As if we didn't suspect the team that had the most.

Later

Frayed Knot
Nov 16 2009 10:46 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

It's not just the number of games lost, it's the pct of salaries eaten up by the DL.
29% of total payroll in the Mets' case (no one else looks all that close) - most of which was obviously a result of the long-term absences of Reyes, Beltran & Delgado.

Edgy DC
Nov 16 2009 11:05 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Santanny's got to be a meaningful piece of that also. Only five weeks but still.

metirish
Nov 16 2009 11:10 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Comparing days lost by the Mets and Phillies

1451
546

Hard to compete

metsmarathon
Nov 16 2009 12:11 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

and yet, our "on the field" salary was still like 4th highest in the majors.

the phillies payroll was $113M, and they lost $11.5M to injury, leaving them with an on-the-field salary of $102M
the mets payroll was $149.4M, and they lost $43.7M to injury, leaving them with an on-the-field salary of $105.7M

looked at in that fashion, the season kindof hurts extra.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 16 2009 12:21 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Interesting. I wonder how that $43,734,000 (geez that's a lot of money) breaks down?

What was Putz's salary? That probably amounts to a decent chunk of it, since he missed most of the season.

Edgy DC
Nov 16 2009 12:23 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Wagner also. I too am curious as to the breakdown.

metirish
Nov 16 2009 12:45 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

[quote="Benjamin Grimm":fe67u1yh]Interesting. I wonder how that $43,734,000 (geez that's a lot of money) breaks down?

What was Putz's salary? That probably amounts to a decent chunk of it, since he missed most of the season.[/quote:fe67u1yh]

Putz - $6 million
Delgado - $12 million
Reyes - $6.125 million
Beltran - $19 million +
Santana - $18 million +
Wagner - $10.5

Who else?

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 16 2009 12:49 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Oliver Perez.

Also, a couple of weeks of David Wright.

We'd then have to prorate those amounts by number of days missed, add them up, and see how close we are to the $43 million.

EDIT: Also, John Maine missed a lot of time, but his salary wouldn't be in the neighborhood of those other guys.

metirish
Nov 16 2009 12:52 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Putz - $6 million
Delgado - $12 million
Reyes - $6.125 million
Beltran - $19,243,682
Santana - $18,876,139
Wagner - $10.5
Perez - $12 million
Wright - $7.75 million
Maine - $2,600,000

Who else?

Edgy DC
Nov 16 2009 12:53 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Lots else.

Let's do this together. I'll figure out Wagner.

He was activated August 20. Wagner made $10,500,000. The Mets had played 120 games through that date. $10,500,000 X (120/162) = $7,777,777.78.

Boom.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 16 2009 01:02 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

[quote="Edgy DC"]Lots else.

Let's do this together. I'll figure out Wagner.

He was activated August 20. Wagner made $10,500,000. The Mets had played 120 games through that date. $10,500,000 X (120/162) = $7,777,777.78.

Boom.

Let's make sure we always buy the top available closer, what a terrific use of resources. And by top I mean, the most Saves for his previous team.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 16 2009 01:17 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Carlos Voltron: Deactivated June 22. Cleared to play September 8. Missed 64 games (including three games missed pre-DL stint, not including "rest" games after his return).

64/162 x 18.5M* = $7,308,642 (or, if 19.5M, $7,602,443)

*Low estimate, as per Cots.

Chad Ochoseis
Nov 16 2009 01:26 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

The Schneid was out from April 16 through May 30 at $4.9M per year. (40/162)(4.9M) = $1,209,877

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 16 2009 01:28 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

I have Reyes down for $4,574,845 (missed 121 games) and Delgado for $9,333,333 (missed 126 games).

Edgy DC
Nov 16 2009 01:44 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

OK, good work. We're getting there.

Player Money for Nothing
Beltran $7,602,443.00
Delgado
Maine
Reyes $4,574,845.00
Perez
Putz
Santana
Schneider $1,209,877.00
Wagner $7,777,777.78
Wright
Total $21,164,942.78

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 16 2009 01:49 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

You missed Delgado...

Player Money for Nothing
Beltran $7,602,443.00
Delgado $9,333,333.33
Maine
Reyes $4,574,845.68
Perez
Putz
Santana
Schneider $1,209,877.00
Wagner $7,777,777.78
Wright
Total $30,498,276.79

Also, I didn't realize we were taking this to the penny, so I had shorted Delgado by 33 cents and Reyes by 68 cents. That's been fixed, above.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 16 2009 01:55 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

In addition to the players listed above, these Mets also spent time on the DL in 2009:

Angel Pagan, Tim Redding, Alex Cora, Ryan Church, Ramon Martinez, Fernando Martinez, Jon Niese, Fernando Nieve, and Gary Sheffield.

TransMonk
Nov 16 2009 02:05 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Putz earned $6,000,000 but last pitched on 6/4/09 leaving the Mets with 110 games without his services. (110/162)(6,000,000)= $4,074,074.07

TransMonk
Nov 16 2009 02:09 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Santana earned $18,876,139 but last pitched on 8/20/09 leaving the Mets with 41 games without his services. (41/162)(18,876,139)= $4,777,294.44

Edgy DC
Nov 16 2009 02:47 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Fernando Nieve called up June 5. They had 52 games behind them and 110 games left. But his contract was a major league one when he was claimed off waivers, so I think the whole season counts toward their payroll.

So, he's paid $414,000. He goes down July 19. KaBOOM! went his thigh. The Mets had played 91 games at that point and had 71 left $414,000 x 71/162 = $181,444.44.

If you don't buy that, and think only the salary he got after his callup counts against Met payroll, well, it doesn't matter, because all his injury time does, injured as he was while on the big league roster..

Edgy DC
Nov 16 2009 02:49 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

And we're over $30 million.

Player Money for Nothing
Beltran $7,602,443.00
Church
Cora
Delgado
Maine
F. Martinez
R. Martinez
Niese
Nieve $181,444.44
Pagan
Perez
Putz $4,074,074.07
Redding
Reyes $4,574,845.00
Santana $4,777,294.44
Schneider $1,209,877.00
Sheffield
Wagner $7,777,777.78
Wright
Total $30,197,755.73

Castro stayed off the DL? Classick!

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 16 2009 02:53 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

We're well above that. You're still missing 68 cents from Reyes, and $9,333,333.33 from Delgado.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 16 2009 02:53 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

[quote="Benjamin Grimm"]You missed Delgado...

Player Money for Nothing
Beltran $7,602,443.00
Delgado $9,333,333.33
Maine
Reyes $4,574,845.68
Perez
Putz
Santana
Schneider $1,209,877.00
Wagner $7,777,777.78
Wright
Total $30,498,276.79

Also, I didn't realize we were taking this to the penny, so I had shorted Delgado by 33 cents and Reyes by 68 cents. That's been fixed, above.

Edgy DC
Nov 16 2009 02:58 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Delgupdated:

Player Money for Nothing
Beltran $7,602,443.00
Church
Cora
Delgado $9,333,333.33
Maine
F. Martinez
R. Martinez
Niese
Nieve $181,444.44
Pagan
Perez
Putz $4,074,074.07
Redding
Reyes $4,574,845.68
Santana $4,777,294.44
Schneider $1,209,877.00
Sheffield
Wagner $7,777,777.78
Wright
Total $39,531,089.74

Number 6
Nov 16 2009 03:03 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Ryan Church is a little tricky (but not very) due to the trade. At a salary of 2.8 million, he was traded between games on July 9th and July 11th, meaning he was present for 67 of the team's 162 games, for a Mets salary of $1,158,024.60. He missed 13 games between May 22nd and June 7th, leaving the Mets with $224,691.35 lost to his injury.

Edit: messed up the Mets salary at first, but the result is the same.

Number 6
Nov 16 2009 03:15 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

David Wright missed 15 games between August 15th and September 1st. At a salary of $7.5 million, this missed time amounts to $694,444.44 in sunk cash.

Edgy DC
Nov 16 2009 06:56 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Excellent.

Alex Cora, anybubby?

Player Money for Nothing
Beltran $7,602,443.00
Church $224.691.35
Cora
Delgado $9,333,333.33
Maine
F. Martinez
R. Martinez
Niese
Nieve $181,444.44
Pagan
Perez
Putz $4,074,074.07
Redding
Reyes $4,574,845.68
Santana $4,777,294.44
Schneider $1,209,877.00
Sheffield
Wagner $7,777,777.78
Wright $694,444.44
Total $40,450,225.53

Frayed Knot
Nov 16 2009 07:40 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Alex Cora spent two stints on the DL, missing 13 games in late May and then the final 48 games of the season.
So he was DL'd for 61 of 162 games (or .37654321 of the season) which, at a salary of $2mil, means $753,086.42 of lost salary

Fernando Martinez was called up on 6/22 in time for game 45 of the season
He was then DL'd after game 79 - meaning he was available for just 35 games (inclusively) of the possible 117 he was on a ML roster at the minimum pay of $400K/year. So missing 82 of 117 games means .7008547 x $400,000 = $280.341.88 of squandered payroll

Chad Ochoseis
Nov 16 2009 08:23 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Ollie Perez...dl'ed May 3 through July 8. 60 games. (60/162)(12M) = $4,444,444.44, which I think puts us over the top.

Edgy DC
Nov 16 2009 08:42 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Good work.

Wait, did I say good? Why, next to what you've done, good is crap. This is great work.

Player Money for Nothing
Beltran $7,602,443.00
Church $224.691.35
Cora $753,086.42
Delgado $9,333,333.33
Maine
F. Martinez $280,341.88
R. Martinez
Niese
Nieve $181,444.44
Pagan
Perez $4,444,444.44
Putz $4,074,074.07
Redding
Reyes $4,574,845.68
Santana $4,777,294.44
Schneider $1,209,877.00
Sheffield
Wagner $7,777,777.78
Wright $694,444.44
Total $41,928,098.27

John Maine, get loose. The phone call is for you.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 17 2009 04:28 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

[quote="Mendoza Line"]Ollie Perez...dl'ed May 3 through July 8. 60 games. (60/162)(12M) = $4,444,444.44, which I think puts us over the top.

He was also out from August 26 through the end of the season, so his number should be higher than that $4.4 million.

Edgy DC
Nov 17 2009 07:21 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

We're approaching $49,000,000 --- which kind of throws all the data of this study into question.

Player Money for Nothing
Beltran $7,602,443.00
Church $224,691.35
Cora $753,086.42
Delgado $9,333,333.33
Maine
F. Martinez $280,341.88
R. Martinez
Niese
Nieve $181,444.44
Pagan
Perez $7,111,111.11
Putz $4,074,074.07
Redding
Reyes $4,574,845.68
Santana $4,777,294.44
Schneider $1,209,877.00
Sheffield
Wagner $7,777,777.78
Wright $694,444.44
Total $48,594,764.94

John Maine, let's see what you've got.

TransMonk
Nov 17 2009 08:19 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

John Maine made $2,600,000 in 2009. He missed from June 7th thru Sept 12 (89 games). (89/162)(2600000)= $1,428,395.06

Number 6
Nov 17 2009 11:07 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Tim Redding first pitched for the Mets on May 18th, missing the first 37 games of the season. With a contract of $2.25 million, the Mets were shorted $513,888.85 worth of Tim's services.

Edgy DC
Nov 17 2009 11:10 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

We're at $50,537,048.85. A lot of cheese. Martinez, Niese, Pagan, and Sheffield remain.

TransMonk
Nov 17 2009 11:15 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

I can't seem to find a 2009 salary for R Martinez. He missed 111 games by my count. Anybody know if we paid him?

Number 6
Nov 17 2009 11:16 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

I'm wondering if some of the disparity can be explained by disabled days not spent on the actual DL. I know I've been looking at long stretches of missed days; not sure if there's a site that tracks days spent on the official DL by player.

TransMonk
Nov 17 2009 11:21 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Niese missed 51 games and had a $400,000 salary = $125,925.93

Pagan missed 36 games and had a $575,000 salary = $127,777.78

Redding missed 37 games and had a $2,250,000 salary = $513,888.89

Sheffield missed 15 games and had a $400,000* salary = $37,037.04

*Mets were only paying $400,000...the balance of the $14,000,000 was paid by Detroit. (15 games would have cost us $1,296,296.30 on $14 Mil)

TransMonk
Nov 17 2009 11:25 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Well, by our count (as unscientific as it may be), I'm only showing 1298 games lost to injury, while BP is showing "days lost" at 1451. So maybe they're counting off-days as well.

Still, I'm not sure how our dollar amount exceeded theirs with our days coming in lower.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 17 2009 11:30 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

[quote="Number 6":3gouu5uh]I'm wondering if some of the disparity can be explained by disabled days not spent on the actual DL. I know I've been looking at long stretches of missed days; not sure if there's a site that tracks days spent on the official DL by player.[/quote:3gouu5uh]

http://www.ultimatemets.com/disabledlist.php

Number 6
Nov 17 2009 11:30 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

I would guess that most of the guys who would be part of the "disabled but not DL'd" group would be the higher salaried guys, like Delgado and Reyes, so it's possible that we could have less days missed but higher money lost. Not sure how to explain the huge difference in games missed, though.

Number 6
Nov 17 2009 11:31 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

[quote="Benjamin Grimm":3qcygm23]http://www.ultimatemets.com/disabledlist.php[/quote:3qcygm23]

Your site never ceases to deliver. Thanks.

Edgy DC
Nov 17 2009 11:43 AM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

Wow, I've been back and forth across the internet and can't find Ramon Martinez's salary --- obviously a state secret. Still, great work by everybody and a nice two-inning save by Monk. If we ever find out the Martinez munny, it threatens to put the whole shebang at over $51,000,000

Player Money for Nothing
Beltran $7,602,443.00
Church $224,691.35
Cora $753,086.42
Delgado $9,333,333.33
Maine $1,428,395.06
F. Martinez $280,341.88
R. Martinez
Niese $125,925.93
Nieve $181,444.44
Pagan $127,777.78
Perez $7,111,111.11
Putz $4,074,074.07
Redding $513,888.89
Reyes $4,574,845.68
Santana $4,777,294.44
Schneider $1,209,877.00
Sheffield $37,037.34
Wagner $7,777,777.78
Wright $694,444.44
Total $50,827,789.94

Frayed Knot
Nov 17 2009 02:07 PM
Re: Games Lost to Injury 2009

[quote="TransMonk":24bidpmj]Well, by our count (as unscientific as it may be), I'm only showing 1298 games lost to injury, while BP is showing "days lost" at 1451. So maybe they're counting off-days as well.

Still, I'm not sure how our dollar amount exceeded theirs with our days coming in lower.[/quote:24bidpmj]

For accounting purposes the ML season is divided into 182 (I think that's the number) [u:24bidpmj]days[/u:24bidpmj], not games - and ML service time, split contracts, etc are figured on that sked. That original chart could be using the same theory.
So a guy who misses 13 games via the 15-day DL minimum is probably seen as costing the team 15/182 of the season not 13/162. Not a lot of difference, but between guys called up in mid-season and others with multiple DL stints it probably explains a lot of the discrepancy.