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Lincecum repeats as NL CY

Frayed Knot Nov 19 2009 12:34 PM

In a very close three-way race ---- 1st 2nd 3rd Points Tim Lincecum - SFG 11 12 9 100 Chris Carpenter - StL 9 14 7 94 Adam Wainwright - StL 12 5 15 90 Javier Vazquez - ATL - 1 - 3 Dan Haren - Ariz - - 1 1

Gwreck Nov 19 2009 12:52 PM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

Wonder when the last time a guy had the most first place votes but didn't win.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 19 2009 12:57 PM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

Or came in 3rd, even.

metirish Nov 19 2009 12:59 PM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

Wainwright, who led the NL with 19 wins and 233 innings, had 12 first-place votes, five seconds and 15 thirds for 90 points. Closer Trevor Hoffman, who finished behind Braves starter Tom Glavine in 1998, is the only other player to finish with the most firsts and not win the award. Two voters, Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus and Keith Law of ESPN.com, did not include Carpenter on their ballots. Carroll had Wainwright in the top spot, Lincecum second and Arizona's Dan Haren third. Law voted for Lincecum, Atlanta's Javier Vazquez and Wainwright in third. Those were the only votes in any position for Haren and Vazquez.

Farmer Ted Nov 19 2009 02:56 PM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

Smokin'

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 19 2009 04:15 PM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

He deserved it... well, either him or Carpenter (if Wainwright hadn't siphoned off RWCTTWTBFIB* support, it would have been him, methinks). I'm a little surprised Vazquez got as little as he did, really, but if Braves fans barely care, why should we? Wins aside-- and wins, frankly, should almost always be aside-- Timmeh had a better year than last in almost every way (lower ERA, better Fielding-Independent Pitching, more innings per start, 30 fewer baserunners, lower BAA, a better K/BB ratio... all in almost the exact same number of innings). Two awards given out to the guys with the least wins in the race. Heh-- would've thunk? *Reporters Who Cover The Team With The Best Fans In Baseball

Ashie62 Nov 19 2009 04:54 PM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

Used to be whoever had the most wins go it..period

Edgy DC Nov 19 2009 08:56 PM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

Not quite so, but to the extent that it was true, it sucked.

Ashie62 Nov 19 2009 08:58 PM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

[quote="Edgy DC":1caqu799]Not quite so, but to the extent that it was true, it sucked.[/quote:1caqu799] Yeah, pretty much..Ron Bryant, Randy Jones

Frayed Knot Nov 20 2009 08:41 AM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

[quote="metirish"] Wainwright, who led the NL with 19 wins and 233 innings, had 12 first-place votes, five seconds and 15 thirds for 90 points. Closer Trevor Hoffman, who finished behind Braves starter Tom Glavine in 1998, is the only other player to finish with the most firsts and not win the award. Two voters, Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus and Keith Law of ESPN.com, did not include Carpenter on their ballots. Carroll had Wainwright in the top spot, Lincecum second and Arizona's Dan Haren third. Law voted for Lincecum, Atlanta's Javier Vazquez and Wainwright in third. Those were the only votes in any position for Haren and Vazquez.

Maybe it's coincidental (and maybe not) but both Carroll and Law are members of "the new media" who recently gained admittance to the BBWAA and therefore voting rights during awards season.

Carroll explains his vote: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... cleid=9782

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 20 2009 09:45 AM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

So... after all that, BP's own Will Carroll pretty much goes the gut/eye-test route, eh? (I'm starting to see what you were getting at re: his credibility, JCL.)

metirish Nov 20 2009 09:52 AM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

From Carrol's article So, that left a decision between Tim Lincecum, last year's winner, and Wainwright. I called three players and one scout, asking for their opinions. One player hadn't faced Lincecum—"lucky break," he said—but he felt that Lincecum looked more hittable. "I'm still convinced that deception is a big part of what Lincecum does," another said, "and that unless there's a new wrinkle, people are starting to figure him out. He's still good, his [stuff] is still good, but comparing him to Wainwright? Wainwright was just a shutdown guy this year." We'll find out if Lincecum will be "found out" but the comment itself seems odd to me.....hasn't deception been a part of a lot of great pitchers repertoire?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 20 2009 12:04 PM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 20 2009 01:01 PM

[quote="metirish"]From Carrol's article So, that left a decision between Tim Lincecum, last year's winner, and Wainwright. I called three players and one scout, asking for their opinions. One player hadn't faced Lincecum—"lucky break," he said—but he felt that Lincecum looked more hittable. "I'm still convinced that deception is a big part of what Lincecum does," another said, "and that unless there's a new wrinkle, people are starting to figure him out. He's still good, his [stuff] is still good, but comparing him to Wainwright? Wainwright was just a shutdown guy this year." We'll find out if Lincecum will be "found out" but the comment itself seems odd to me.....hasn't deception been a part of a lot of great pitchers repertoire?

You don't understand, Irish. Wainwright has better stuff, and it all comes down to stuff, y'see? Lincecum put up superior numbers-- including strikeouts, WHICH IF NOTHING ELSE ARE FUCKING TESTAMENT TO STUFF-- using smoke-and-mirrors. So, obviously, Wainwright deserves this yearly-performance award more, based on the fact that he looked more dominant on the mound... unlike the pot-smoking longhair who only blew away 260-plus dudes for the second year in a row, let up fewer runs (and was less dependent on defense in doing so) and let up a LOT fewer baserunners. GOD, that guy's a pussy!

I ramble. But Carroll's kinda chock full of brownies here. I expect this crap out of, say, Platschke or Lupica or Woody Paige... it's more than a little disappointing to hear it from a "new-school" voter who WORKS FOR BASEBALL FUCKING PROSPECTUS.

TheOldMole Nov 20 2009 12:09 PM Re: Lincecum repeats as NL CY

Lincecum's the kinda guy you wanna have.