Nov 27 2009 06:08 PM
Re: Hot Stove 2009
| I forgot ,they spent 138 million on the guy with a bum left elbow and have nothing to show for it |
| Halladay will go to the highest bidder so you can count the Mets out |
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| smg58 Nov 25 2009 02:04 PM |
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The first free agent to sign is Andruw Jones, who takes a slight pay cut to sign with the White Sox for half a million.
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| smg58 Nov 26 2009 10:08 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The Blue Jays sign Alex Gonzalez for a year and $2.75M, and re-sign John McDonald for $1.5M. They're obviously prioritizing defense. Scutaro is presumably heading elsewhere.
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| metirish Nov 26 2009 10:20 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Olny is calling Halladay "Santana2) meaning that neither the yankees or Red Sox will be willing to part with the big package of players/prospects and then the big package of money needed to get him.....both will then be happy to see him gone from the AL East....and no I didn't make that up.
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| Benjamin Grimm Nov 26 2009 11:07 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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More than one pundit has said that it's possible that history will repeat, and "Hallway" will be available to the Mets just like Santana was. (They typically qualify that by emphasizing how unlikely it is.)
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| Ashie62 Nov 26 2009 01:30 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Halladay will go to the highest bidder so you can count the Mets out
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| A Boy Named Seo Nov 26 2009 05:10 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I know. The Mets have totally never outbid anyone on some expensive player. Ever. Never.
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| metsmarathon Nov 27 2009 10:09 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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they also never ever trade for the best pitcher on the market. that like never happens.
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| Ashie62 Nov 27 2009 05:42 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Mets have have already stated their budget..Won't get Halladay with cash, Marquis yes
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| Ashie62 Nov 27 2009 05:45 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I forgot ,they spent 138 million on the guy with a bum left elbow and have nothing to show for it Trade and long term signings for pitchers don't seem to work out Trading can..Ask the Angels
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| Nymr83 Nov 27 2009 06:08 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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| Ashie62 Nov 27 2009 06:54 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Are the Mets signing Jason Bateman?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 27 2009 07:30 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Agreed that long-term signings for pitchers GENERALLY don't work out so well. As for having "nothing to show for" Johan, you're forgetting the memory of his almost-singlehandedly dragging this team within a game of a playoff spot, doing it for the last month on a torn meniscus. You're also forgetting a 3-hit shutout that may just be the biggest "hombre" performance out of a Mets pitcher ever. Unless you're insinuating-- as I think y'are-- that only championship seasons count. In which case... perhaps you'd be more comfortable enjoying one of the Bronx's brighter tourist traps on a more regular basis?
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| Edgy DC Nov 27 2009 08:10 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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What's their budget?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 27 2009 09:01 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I think I just got a fan-boner.
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| smg58 Nov 28 2009 10:43 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'd ask about Johnson. I'd also ask about Ricky Nolasco -- the price difference might be larger than the difference in future results will be.
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| Ashie62 Nov 28 2009 03:09 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I live to see the Mets make the post season..It appears you are envious of the Yankees..and the Raiders
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| Edgy DC Nov 28 2009 03:20 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Other things that don't seem to work if you cherry pick the data enough. [list][*]Amateur draftees. [/*:m] [*]Waiver claims. [/*:m] [*]Rule five picks. [/*:m] [*]Signing international free agents. [/*:m] [*]Mexican food. [/*:m] [*]Beatles movies. [/*:m] [*]Waking up in the morning.[/*:m][/list:u]
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| Ashie62 Nov 29 2009 01:42 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The Mets overpaid for Santana...I hope he is ready for spring training
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| Edgy DC Nov 29 2009 02:13 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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They offer too little for the guys they don't sign and too much for the guys they do sign. Understood.
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| Vic Sage Nov 29 2009 03:07 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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was that so hard?
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| Vince Coleman Firecracker Nov 30 2009 05:36 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Johan's value, according to fangraphs (in millions of dollars): 2008: 21.4 2009: 12.4 total: 33.8 Johan's salary, according to Cot's (also in millions of dollars): 2008: 18.0 2009: 19.0 total: 37.0 So, yeah. It looks like, so far, with one full season and one injury-shortened one, the Mets overpaid for Santana. By about 3 million dollars, or about how much they overpaid Alex Cora. Or was Ashie62 referring to the talent they gave up in the trade?
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| attgig Dec 01 2009 08:00 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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So Halladay's making similar demands like Santana did. No Deal on anything after spring training. so, it gives us till early Feb to toss around ideas about Halladay getting traded.
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| Edgy DC Dec 01 2009 08:05 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Offer Fernando Martinez, Ruben Tejada, the big 42, and Backpack Girl.
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| bmfc1 Dec 01 2009 10:29 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Brian Schneider signs with the Phillies. I wonder if he said "in my heart, I'll always be a Met." Schneider is over halfway through the NL East.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 01 2009 10:50 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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He's the Bruce Chen of catchers.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 01 2009 02:09 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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EXTREMELY USEFUL: MLB Trade Rumors' free agent list, with up-to-date arb-offer information (and Scott Boras clients conveniently bolded for ease-of-fan-hissing).
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 01 2009 03:08 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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No arb offers to any of the Doyers (including Garland, Hudson and Wolf), MFYs (ThrowsLikeMary, Balky, TentaclePorn, etc.) or Cubs (including Gregg and Harden).
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| smg58 Dec 01 2009 08:06 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Kelly Shoppach is a Ray, for a PTBNL.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 02 2009 01:00 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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23 FAs offered arbitration as MLBTR denotes here. The Type As who got offers-- i.e. the ones who come with a draft price-- go like so:
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| bmfc1 Dec 02 2009 06:55 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Billy Wagner to the Braves. Wagner ties Schneider by playing for 3 out of the 5 NL East teams.
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| metirish Dec 02 2009 06:56 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Giants declined to offer salary arbitration Tuesday to catcher Bengie Molina.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 02 2009 07:02 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Normally I'd say that's good because it won't cost any picks to get him. In this case I think it's NOT good because it makes us more likely to sign him. Anything above a one-year deal won't make me happy.
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| metirish Dec 02 2009 07:04 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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And you just know if he comes to the Mets it will be at the least a two year deal with an easy to reach option for a third.....at the worst a three year deal with an easy to reach fourth year.
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| Edgy DC Dec 02 2009 07:04 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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No arbitration for Mike Cameron and Miguel Olivo, among players on the fringes of the Mets shopping list, and naturally none for Carlos Delgado.
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| metirish Dec 02 2009 07:18 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Reports have Halladay wanting to be traded before Spring Training , if not then he will invoke his "no trade" clause and that's that.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 02 2009 07:19 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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NO VEST!* *Said with the full realization that we'll likely see as much "vesting" on the field this year as Rockies fans.
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| metirish Dec 02 2009 07:35 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'm sure I am speaking out of line here but Omar seems quite fond of easy to attain options , probably every GM is.
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| soupcan Dec 02 2009 07:39 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I may have misheard it, but on ESPN this morning I thought they said that Halladay would waive the no-trade only if he were traded to the Yankees. Seriously. Is that not the case?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 02 2009 07:46 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Snooze sez Boston, MFYs, Angels and Phils are likliest.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 02 2009 07:47 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I heard the same thing too, but I don't think Halliday specified the "only" part. I think he said he'd waive it for the Yankees, but didn't say that he wouldn't for anyone else. He was probably, I think, responding to a YLDB-reporter asking if he'd like to be a Yankee.
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| metirish Dec 02 2009 07:48 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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from article
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| Edgy DC Dec 02 2009 07:52 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Freaking demanding Blue Jay fans.
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| soupcan Dec 02 2009 07:52 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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So he's going to be 33 in the first year of whatever deal he signs with a team.
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| metsguyinmichigan Dec 02 2009 08:25 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Et tu, Billy?
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| Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 02 2009 09:34 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Mets lose out on 2 good draft picks. Not happy about how this move turned out at all. Kinda angry, actually.
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| smg58 Dec 02 2009 09:38 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Seven years is the norm when a player in his twenties signs. Halladay can ask for (and will get) low twenties on a per-year basis, because that's what Johan and CC are getting, but I'd stop at five years.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 02 2009 09:39 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Did they really? I'm not so sure the Mets would have offered arbitration to Wagner. And the Mets did get two players for Wagner; we'll have to wait and see how they turn out.
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| smg58 Dec 02 2009 09:54 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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It's tough to gauge the value of the $3.5M the Mets saved. It could be the difference between landing Holliday or Lackey and settling for not exactly. Or it could just get pocketed. We may only be able to speculate on that. Chris Carter could turn out to be a useful player on a playoff caliber team, too. He strikes me as the kind of player who just needs a team to give him a chance. At any rate, we'll be able to evaluate the short-term ramifications soon enough. And yes, there's a risk of the deal looking very shortsighted later.
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| Vic Sage Dec 02 2009 10:05 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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i'm sorry Smg, but many of us thought it was a short sighted deal AT THE TIME. How it turns out, no one can know. But Wagner was a commodity who was dumped to save money. Now we don't have the #20 pick in next year's draft, plus a supplementary round pick. Fans overpaying for seats, parking and hot dogs have a right to be pissed.
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| Edgy DC Dec 02 2009 10:14 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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No one's questioning fans' rights. They're trying to objectively analyze the move.
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| Vic Sage Dec 02 2009 10:29 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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oh, please. yes, lets pretend my point was about "fans rights" instead of the more obvious point that the "right to be pissed" was a rhetorical flourish in support of Firecracker's expression of anger, and Smeggie's attempt to mollify with the standard "oh we don't know how these moves are going to turn out." you stood up here and CROWED when the rumor went around that Wagner was going to retire. Now that Boston gets 2 picks, including the #20 overall, its "lets wait and see" and a straw man "fan's rights" discussion. The Mets were a rich team dumping salary, and getting back a guy who looks on paper like an older, less accomplished Dan Murphy, rather than take a shot at 2 first rounders. It was a bullshit move then. And its proven to be a bullshit move today.
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| Edgy DC Dec 02 2009 10:54 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I crowed.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 02 2009 11:03 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Or it's going to guaranteed contracts for this year's Livan and/or Redding (Elmer Dessens, come on down)! Or as 1/4 of big, fat 1-WAR Bengie's 2-year-deal! Or maybe it's been earmarked for bonuses for bench players as a reward for the player in front of them getting hurt (Clubhouse Cora, it's your time)! The imagination reels. The deal looks very shortsighted now because it was quite literally shortsighted (a short-sold Wagner for $3.5M plus something in-hand now > good shot at 2 HIGH draft picks). It may end up looking better in the rearview, but that doesn't change the fact that it kind of stank in conception. Frankly, the only reason I'm not as pissed as Sage and VCF is that I'm fairly confident that-- as BeeG pointed out-- the Mets would've fallen for the pile that Bean was shoveling and NOT offered arb, and because I'm kinda out of outrage now (more in a sad pre-Molina resignation mode).
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| Edgy DC Dec 02 2009 11:21 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I think the idea is to stay away from speculation on which contract that $3.5 million is going to, and judge the deal by what $3.5 million is worth in win shares on the 2010 open market. I have no idea but I'm sure somebody does. Then you can factor that into the deal. How they actually spend their next $3.5 million --- or each $3.5 million --- can be judged negatively or positively on it's own.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 02 2009 11:40 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Yes, my point is that this front office's valuation system isn't very good at properly reading the label on free agents. The organization is extremely unlikely to turn that spare cash into its equivalent value in win shares/RC/WAR/WPA, because it's proven extremely inefficient at such conversions-- extensions on Wright and Reyes aside-- since 2006.
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| Edgy DC Dec 02 2009 11:55 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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That's fine, but I think the judgment should come at the point of sale instead of being tempted to say, "What good $3.5 mills when they don't know what to do with it anyhow?"
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| Frayed Knot Dec 02 2009 12:37 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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A similar tact could be saying that the draft picks would just go to waste since; 'it's the Mets and they'd only draft some piece 'o shit anyway'.
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| Edgy DC Dec 02 2009 12:44 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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PatZachry. Probably wouldn't even sign them. How could they without the $3.5 million?
Both are Type-A free agents.
VEST!
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| metirish Dec 02 2009 01:07 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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6.75 million in 2010 and the deal includes a $6.5 million club option for 2011 with a $250,000 buyout. That's a WOW from me....Bean Stringfellow is nobodies fool Rafael Soriano (27 saves) and Mike Gonzalez (10 saves) both became free agents after the season. The Braves offered the pair arbitration on Tuesday, and they have until Monday to accept. Source NYT
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| Centerfield Dec 02 2009 01:09 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I wasn't upset at the time of the trade. I was upset when I found out who the players were. If memory serves me correct, the Red Sox waived Carter at some point.
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| Edgy DC Dec 02 2009 01:16 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Maybe, but I'm still curious to see how this shakes out.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 02 2009 01:17 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Wagner may have strongly hinted that he wouldn't accept arbitration, but during that initial period when players can start talking to other clubs, he might have found that the market for his services was less than the expected arbitration award. So despite his original intent, he may have ended up accepting anyway.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 02 2009 01:34 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 02 2009 01:42 PM |
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According to a couple of reports, the option automatically vests if he finishes 50 games. Which is what both parties want. It makes more of the sense than, say, sticking a 2M option into a backup infielder's contract that vests if he happens to start 80 games... which means that Reyes has injured or Castillo has exploded, and Omar hasn't found a reasonable alternative. For this stroke of organizational misfortune/neglect, he gets an extra year. This is more what ONE party wants. Vests can be quite the snazzy wardrobe choice when used properly (injury or age hedges, motivation for a proven star).
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 02 2009 01:38 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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If anything, he was strongly hinting the other way. Arb offers tend to depress the market for players-- at least Type As-- since it adds a cost for the signing team beyond the financial one. Which is why Wagner had Bean quack about retirement-- he was playing poker with Boston.
He will cost them a pick-- Boston offered him arbitration. (The thinking is that Soriano and Gonzalez signing elsewhere will more than make up for it, I'm thinking.)
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 02 2009 01:40 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Games finished is an interesting concept to build a contract clause around. In theory, anyway, Wagner can insure a "game finished" by throwing a gopher ball any time he pitches in a tie game in the ninth inning of a road game. Of course, if he does this too many times, he'll stop getting such opportunities.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 02 2009 01:47 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Some men hunt for sport
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| Centerfield Dec 02 2009 01:58 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Wagner was clear that he did not want to be offered arbitration because he knew it would hurt his value. In saying so, he was making it clear that he had no plans to accept arbitration.
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| metirish Dec 02 2009 02:25 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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My only consolation is that Boston are horrible in the draft.....their picks never amount to anything.....
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 02 2009 03:15 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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HA!
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| G-Fafif Dec 02 2009 04:55 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Just as Schneider grew up a Phillies fan...
...Wagner has always loved the Braves.
It was nice of them to stop by anyway.
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| Edgy DC Dec 02 2009 05:03 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Ha! They lost anyway. http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 7060.shtml
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| G-Fafif Dec 02 2009 05:08 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Young Billy Wagner was quoted in the Journal-Constitution that day saying Zane Smith "honestly has got to step up and know that we've just used every guy in the bullpen the night before. He can't come in and come out there and decide that he doesn't have it today, and so be it."
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| Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 02 2009 09:55 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'd love for Carter and Lora to prove me wrong, but as of right now (and as it did when it happened), the Wagner trade looks like a really short-sighted move. Time will tell, etc, but I'm still a little angry right now.
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| duan Dec 03 2009 06:01 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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well not necessarily since (and this was my point about having signed k-rod last year we should also have gone for Derek Lowe and whomever else was a type A) The Braves may sign another Type A free Agent. We'd still get the sandwich pick, but not the first round one. Also lets not forget that there are 15 teams that he could have signed for where the 1st round pick wouldn't be offered either. I can stand over saving the 3.5 million as a legitimate call - a safety first one all right but a legitimate call.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 03 2009 07:04 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Plus it got that piece of shit off my team as soon as possible, a plus in my book.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 03 2009 08:13 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Phils are fixed on Polanco-- Type A NOT offered arb by the Tiggers-- to fill their third base hole, as per usual suspects Rosenthal, Stark and WEEI... scuttlebutt has length of the deal at 2-3 years, at 5-6M per.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 03 2009 08:35 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Have to say, I never imagined that Placido Polanco would be only a small-bit worse than Scott Rolen since they were traded for each other. Not like they are comparable players, just that, I thought Polanco was just an insect. He's one of those guys who gets better every time he gets traded.
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| metirish Dec 03 2009 09:53 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Omar on the draft picks and such
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| Ashie62 Dec 03 2009 09:54 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I prefer a cape over a vest
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 03 2009 09:58 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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No foolin'. But Polanco's always been good-to-great defensively whether at 2nd or 3rd, it seems. And he's been a pretty consistent 3-WAR guy for the Tigers, and a good bit before that, too, whenever he's played semi-regularly. I don't remember the Phils using him that much at 3rd before, but I'd think he'd be an upgrade over non-performance-spiking Pedro Feliz.
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| MFS62 Dec 03 2009 10:03 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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As per Jon Heyman, The Mets are looking to get 2 or 3 vets at 5-7mill contracts. Among the names are
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| duan Dec 03 2009 10:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Nady would be a fun fit, can play any corner but 3rd (he has actually played it just not very often) and is platoonable to allow us to keep getting murphy reps if he deserves them. However, if you're telling me that he costs 7*3 years I go you gotta do better then that.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 03 2009 11:03 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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As per Starks, Heyman, and MLB.com sources, this is a done deal for 3 yrs/$18 million, pending a physical. In other news, I would give up MY entire legendary porn collection to ensure that this here from Patrick Newman @ NPB Tracker is meaningless.
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| Ashie62 Dec 03 2009 11:28 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Doesn't Matsui look like Moe from the Three Stooges
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| smg58 Dec 03 2009 11:49 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I was kind of worried that Polanco would get less per year than Castillo. He'll lose some value at third base, and his age will be an issue by the end of the deal, but he's still an outstanding defender who probably got unlucky at the plate last year.
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| smg58 Dec 03 2009 12:15 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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[url]http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/valuing-the-draft-part-one/
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| Edgy DC Dec 03 2009 12:22 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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That's my kind of analysis.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 03 2009 02:19 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Braves also signing Takashi Saito. 1 year deal, $3 mills.
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| attgig Dec 03 2009 03:06 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I hope gonzalez and soriano both accept arbitration, and they're stuck with 4 pen guys that they have to pay 35 mil to.
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| Edgy DC Dec 04 2009 07:18 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I think Mike Silva speaks some truth here:
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| Edgy DC Dec 04 2009 07:23 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Oh, and the Sox, who lost Alex Gonzalez to the Blue Jays last week have signed Marco(s) Scutaro. Good luck, suckers.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 04 2009 07:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Aside from the seemingly required "never when it counts" statement about a closer that is. The Polanco signing struck me as a bit odd. Not that he's not a decent player, but the outgoing Feliz played as a good a 3B as anyone (prolly should have a GG or two) and is only older by a few months. Philly gains a little bit of OBA with Polanco (based on recent seasons) but not more power as he moves to a position which usually asks for more power and where he hasn't played in several years. Seems like a neutral move at best while giving up the known quantity and fit for one with not a lot of upside.
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| Edgy DC Dec 04 2009 07:33 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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While committing more $$, yeah.
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| metirish Dec 04 2009 08:01 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Nothing was missed , don't know where you're hanging out Mike. I didn't realize Saito is 40 , mkaes that signing not so good for the money.
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| Edgy DC Dec 04 2009 08:13 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Well, he says some may have missed them. More importantly, they may have missed the opportunity to take a good look at those moves and ask themselves what was going on. I'm curious. It can be argued that, in both cases, they gave up some cost effectiveness for cost certainty.
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| metirish Dec 04 2009 08:19 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Did Feliz get benched for the playoffs? , something went on there IIRC.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 04 2009 08:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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No. You may be thinking about O. Hudson at 2B w/the Dodgers. Feliz has played 3B virtually every day since they signed him from the Giants 2 years ago. That was a very unheralded signing that worked out real well for them especially for his defense and reliability. It's part of the reason I'm surprised they opted to change.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2009 08:30 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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This probably takes the Phillies out of the running for Chone Figgins, no?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 04 2009 11:47 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The scuttlebutt seems to be that Figgins is headed Seattle's way. Zduriencik and the gang have also been mentioned semi-seriously in the same sentence as Bay-- they can afford the defensive hit with all-world Gutierrez in CF-- and Harden (a Canuck thing?).
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| Ashie62 Dec 04 2009 04:05 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Figgins look like a Mariner for 35 Million..quite a few FA's coming around..Only Mets related rumor on Rotoworld. NY Times reports Omar's number one priority at the winter meetings next week is trading Castillo.
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| attgig Dec 04 2009 04:07 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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good article about scutaro back when he was a met... bobby vs steve (linked by mlbtraderumors.)
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| attgig Dec 04 2009 04:08 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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bobby jones & bobby m jones?
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| DocTee Dec 05 2009 01:21 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Jayson Stark reporting talks of a three-way:
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| metsmarathon Dec 05 2009 01:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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i feel like i'd rather trade castillo straight up for bradley. burrell is a butcher in the field, and played like crap last year, right? isn't bradley a better player overall, albeit a worser person?
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| Frayed Knot Dec 05 2009 01:51 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Me don't likey.
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| Nymr83 Dec 05 2009 03:25 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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paying burrell less than castillo overall and freeing up 2nd base for Hudson, who i gues will come waaaaaaaay cheaper than any of the outfielders the mets dont want to spring for
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| Swan Swan H Dec 05 2009 05:09 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Bradley is a better player than many major leaguers, and a worser person than each and every. He would instantly replace Tony Fernandez as my least favorite Met ever should he ever don the cream-colored pinstripes. Fortunately, not even the most speculative speculation has had him heading to Queens. I think that if the Mets wanted him the Bradley-Castillo deal would have been consummated already.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 05 2009 05:17 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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From Joe Posnanski's column naming him the NL's "Least Valuable Player" of the past year:
But hey-- y'all rooted for Kong and Bonilla and Hebner and Fernandez and Coleman, no?
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| Swan Swan H Dec 05 2009 05:23 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The hardest Mets for me to root for were Tony Fernandez, who gave less than zero effort as a Met, then became instantly rejuvenated upon his escape from Queens, and Tom Herr, who was the personification of the mid-80s Cardinals to me. I may be guilty of donning the blue-and-orange feet pajamas, but those two guys still looked like the devil through my glass o' Kool-Aid.
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| Edgy DC Dec 05 2009 08:19 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Ahem!
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| Frayed Knot Dec 06 2009 06:49 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I don't care if Burrell costs less overall than Castillo - especially since it's 50% more for this year alone - because he would add little to this team, plus it just perpetuates the bad contracts for worse cycle that's best broken in other ways. I'd rather they either hang on to Castillo (2009 was a lot closer to his career norm than was 2008) or deal him for something more useful while eating part of the money. I also don't buy into the idea that because they're not going to get a real outfielder anyway it's best just take on a shitty one if it gets them a partial upgrade at 2B - only to run into the same dilemma a year from now.
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| metirish Dec 06 2009 06:56 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I can't think of a worse addition to this team than Burrell(MB?), maybe I should say a more wrong addition.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 06 2009 08:26 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Omar hits the red carpet ... of Indianapolis.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 06 2009 08:30 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I spent about a day and a half in Indianapolis on business a bunch of years back and remember eating a lot of food while I was there including some big hairy steaks ... but I don't remember which place(s).
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 06 2009 09:22 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The meetings are in Indianapolis this year?
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| metsguyinmichigan Dec 06 2009 11:31 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Judging by the fact that Rubin's interview was conducted as he walked to his hotel room, and the fact that Omar said absolutely nothing in a lot of words makes me think their relationship hasn't improved since the summer...
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| Edgy DC Dec 07 2009 06:19 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'm just glad they're talking and both of them are able to do their jobs. They're probably each happy they still have them.
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| metirish Dec 07 2009 06:39 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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In the Snooze today they say that there is talk of the Mets removing the second layer of padding on the wall in center field, essentially making the outfield wall a uniform 8 feet high in the middle of the park.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2009 07:38 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I saw that too. Are they referring to that tab that sticks up in front of the apple?
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| MFS62 Dec 07 2009 08:49 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'm wondering whether Omar is playing that "when we get players healthy" card to justify not making any major deals.
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| willpie Dec 07 2009 09:56 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Has Burrell ever played any 1B? If he's not Piazza-esque there, I guess i wouldn't hate acquiring him. Especially if it meant saying goodbye to Castillo and hello to Hudson. he could split time between LF, 1B, and DH during interleague play.
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| metirish Dec 07 2009 10:00 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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58 games in 2000 according to B-R
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| MFS62 Dec 07 2009 10:20 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I guess you guys are referring to a rumor talked about on radio this morning that the Mets had acquired Burrell.
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| metirish Dec 07 2009 10:41 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Rumor 62 refers to
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| Edgy DC Dec 07 2009 10:49 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Burell does not meet my standards for cheap and Latin.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2009 11:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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For many years now I've had a hunch that Pat Burrell would one day be a Met, most likely after he had passed his prime.
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| Edgy DC Dec 07 2009 11:29 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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| metirish Dec 07 2009 12:19 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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From something called Double G Sports
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| Frayed Knot Dec 07 2009 12:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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These "scoops" and rumors from those on-line sites are nothing more than regurgitated rumors from other sites - at least some of which is simply stuff folks make up because it sounds like something that various teams might do.
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| Ashie62 Dec 07 2009 12:59 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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One blog, picks up another blogs, streams another blog blog blog blog
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| Ashie62 Dec 07 2009 01:01 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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On that note, Edwin Jackson has been blogged to the Mets
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| HahnSolo Dec 07 2009 02:21 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Come again?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 07 2009 02:31 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I thought that was a funny remark. Some douchebag twittered the Jackson to Mets thing as a rumor he heard in the lobby, sending dozens of other twits to race to be the first to deny it.
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| Ashie62 Dec 07 2009 06:39 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Per Fox, the Pirates have intensified their pursuit of Bobby Crosby
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| metirish Dec 07 2009 06:42 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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And I complain about the Mets...
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 07 2009 11:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Especially on the FA front. Unless it's a report of an actual done deal-- and therefore verifiable either way-- it's ALL crap at this point in the offseason, and likely being leaked to put pressure on potential bidders (see "Heyman, Jon").
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| metirish Dec 08 2009 06:04 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Minaya when asked about potential trades
Ok also from the article....Newsday At least two things became crystal-clear. The Mets have no interest in the Rays' Pat Burrell, so he will not be involved in any dumping of Castillo. The Tigers' Edwin Jackson also is on the block, but the Mets are not considered in the running for him despite a crazy rumor that surfaced yesterday. As one MLB official said, "There is zero chance of him going to the Mets. Zero."
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| HahnSolo Dec 08 2009 11:11 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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from Jon Heyman (who with glasses could be a younger Ben Stein):
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2009 11:24 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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It also seems like the Mets and Brewers are competing for Randy Wolf's signature. The above trade would be much more likely if Wolf ended up with the Mets.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2009 11:54 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'm OK on Hart, decent hitter and room for improvement, but I'm also skeptical of Maine and his health/consistency. Maybe the Mets feel that getting the Brewers Maine loosens their grip on Wolf and he comes to the Mets.
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| TransMonk Dec 08 2009 12:54 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Hart's similarity scores on BBref show Josh Willingham as #3 and Ryan Church as #5.
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| Ashie62 Dec 08 2009 01:00 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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My Mets wrist watching wearing mailman loves the idea of Bengie Molina at C..we're screwed
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| Valadius Dec 08 2009 01:18 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Granderson to MFYs. They part with beloved prospect Austin Jackson, among others in the 3-team deal.
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| metirish Dec 08 2009 01:25 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Some of the others are Ian Kennedy and Phil Choke but not Hughes which seems like a good deal for the yankees.......wankers
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| Frayed Knot Dec 08 2009 01:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 08 2009 01:51 PM |
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Austin Jackson is considered a good prospect so it's not like they're giving up nothing - although he's basically the kind you hope one day becomes as good as Granderson. CG did have an inexplicably bad 2nd half this year.
These three-ways always take a while to sort out. - Kennedy was the guy the Yanx drafted about 20 spots ahead of Joba, but he showed little while up in the majors and then needed aneurysm sugery. Still young enough to have promise I guess. - Edwin Jackson has spent years now looking tantalizingly great but only for brief periods of time - Schlereth (LHP) & Scherzer (RHP) share a lot of consonants and a real hard fastball. Scherzer could start or relieve, Schlereth (son of former NFL player and current ESPN analyst Mark) has been strictly a reliever since college. - Coke is a decent situational lefty. Don't know anything about Dunn.
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| Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 08 2009 01:50 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Wow, there's a lot of talent involved in that deal. If I had to choose one end of that deal, I'd probably take the players Detroit's getting.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2009 02:03 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Apparently the MFYs held back Dunn as a matter of principal (I'm sure it's to inflate his value for some other deal).
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| metirish Dec 08 2009 02:08 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Yeah looking at some of his numbers he's not the big shit I thought.....terrible against lefties , lots of SO....I guess in his new home park they think he will hit more home runs.
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| metsguyinmichigan Dec 08 2009 02:11 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Aw hell. I LIKED Granderson. Nice guy when I interviewed him last year.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 08 2009 02:16 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Speaking of celebratory MFY Moments, where's Rogers been?
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| metirish Dec 08 2009 02:18 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Doing research for Madden on his new steinbrenner book.
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| Swan Swan H Dec 08 2009 02:39 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Yeah, I hate it when those decent human being types end up on the Yankees. Well, it's never actually happened before, but I hate it in theory.
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| Ashie62 Dec 08 2009 02:58 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I've heard he was well liked. Doesn't hit lefties. Tigers did very well here
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| attgig Dec 08 2009 03:10 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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defense is also suspect this past year. previously, he had been pretty good, but this past year, he deteriorated. we'll see if it's a one year fluke.
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| metirish Dec 08 2009 07:15 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Heyman saying it looks like the Mets "came up short" on Wolf....to the Brewers for $9 million....I assume that's not $9M per.....
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| Nymr83 Dec 08 2009 09:12 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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the yankees got what they wanted here, they have the money to likely never regret dealing jackson or kennedy, they can buy guys like they might become.
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| metirish Dec 09 2009 06:51 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Interesting to read David Lennon today, he has starting pitching as Minaya's top priority, I like it.
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| metirish Dec 09 2009 07:01 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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WOW, apparently it would be for $9M per year in a three year deal......that's bloody crazy money for a guy who to me screams " .500 pitcher here".....
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| Edgy DC Dec 09 2009 07:05 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Yeah, they were really stingey on the length of Castillo's deal and Schoeneweis's also. That logic just ties me up and rapes me.
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| MFS62 Dec 09 2009 08:43 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Thank you for that Hallmark moment. LOL! Later
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| Ashie62 Dec 09 2009 09:14 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Kurt Cobain was a Mets fan [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8fTaHmSJSI
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 09 2009 10:12 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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De-doo-do not, We-wah-wah-want. Is not as bad as three-year deal.
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| MFS62 Dec 09 2009 10:14 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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WFAN is reporting that Jon Heyman has tweeted that he has learned that Omar has been given permission to "open up the purse strings" and they will now strongly go after the "big three".
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| metirish Dec 09 2009 10:16 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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From the link
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| Edgy DC Dec 09 2009 10:19 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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That would be a lot of OBP sapped at the bottom of the lineup with Francoeur and Molina. Bring on Thole.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 09 2009 10:21 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I think it's smelly.
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| metirish Dec 09 2009 10:21 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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That smell you are smelling might be the anus that LFWS is going to eat.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 09 2009 10:44 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Am NOT. I don't mind being moored to the guy for a year. I don't love it, but whatever-- slim pickings (if you don't seriously consider trades), and Thole's a year from full-time duty away (methinks), at least. But he's not nearly as valuable an offensive contributor as 15-20 HRs and a .270 average might imply, as he seems allergic to walks and is a highly BABIP-dependent hitter. His defense compares to Posada; his baserunning ability compares to a codeine-overdosed Posada running through peat. $6-7 million of value next year is what you HOPE for out of him, given his skill set and age; it's not what you should expect.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 09 2009 10:48 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I didn't want Wolfie for that. maybe Lackey comes to us, who knows.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2009 10:49 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I don't think I'd eat any anuses over a two-year deal for Molina, although I'd prefer a one-year deal. I'd like to think that Thole will be totally ready to take over in 2011. And if that happens, and Molina is still under contract, then either Molina is an expensive backup, or he gets traded. (Of course, how tradeable his contact is will depend on what kind of 2010 he has.)
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| smg58 Dec 09 2009 10:55 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'd prefer one year and an option, but he could be dealable at that price next year if he remains productive with the bat. He's not much to get excited about, but I don't think he'll hurt us either.
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| smg58 Dec 09 2009 11:02 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Other than last year, Fangraphs has never valued Wolf at more than $9M over a particular season. And he's at an age where he's far more likely to go backward than forward. On the other hand, he'll be getting his 10 minutes with Rick.
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| MFS62 Dec 09 2009 11:06 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Molina is supposed to be 35 years old, the age at which catchers historically begin a rapid decline. If they do sign him, I'd prefer a one year deal with an incentive-laden option. Oh, this just in. Julio Franco said that Benji Molina was his boyhood idol. Later
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 09 2009 12:16 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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What, did he belong to some sort of circle-worshipping faith?
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| Rockin' Doc Dec 09 2009 04:15 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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 The Police say, "You're welcome."And when their eloquence escapes me. Their logic ties me up and rapes me...
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| Ashie62 Dec 09 2009 07:11 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Wolf 29.75 Million Molina wants no less than 2 years
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| Ashie62 Dec 09 2009 07:15 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Would anyone here want Vlad Guerrero? He wants two years..He is recovered and could play left. A proven winner
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| Swan Swan H Dec 09 2009 07:25 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Yup. Then they flooded the valley to bring in the hydro-'lectric and after that, I tell ya kids, nothin' was ever the same.
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| Ashie62 Dec 09 2009 10:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Better than a circle jerking faith
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| metirish Dec 10 2009 07:10 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Rafael Soriano to the Rays ,
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| Edgy DC Dec 10 2009 07:16 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Millwood, in my mind, was always destined for the O's, since the day he came up. In fact I half think he's played for them already a few times.
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| smg58 Dec 10 2009 07:23 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'm surprised the Rangers couldn't do better than that for Millwood. I'd have committed to one year of him before three years of Wolf or Piniero. Harden, of course, can more than make up for it if he's healthy most of the year.
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| MFS62 Dec 10 2009 07:41 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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When are the Mets going to hold their press conference?
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| Edgy DC Dec 10 2009 07:54 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Don't be a silly entitled Mets fan. We have enough of them and they only get the organization in trouble. The three big free agents are still on the board, so it's no time to act all aggrieved.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2009 07:58 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I understand that we're all hungry for news, but there's no point in hurrying to get something done. Transactions made in December have no more impact than those made in February. Either way, the newly acquired player isn't going to be in a game that counts until April.
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| MFS62 Dec 10 2009 08:09 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Edgy, Ben, I know. I know.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 10 2009 08:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Braves trade Soriano to the Rays for Jesse Chavez. Chavez is the x-Pirate reliever.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 10 2009 08:36 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Mike Lowell headed to Texas for Max Ramirez - a just-turned-25 y/o mostly minor league catcher.
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| MFS62 Dec 10 2009 10:17 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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KC released Mike Jacobs today.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2009 10:21 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Silver King? Didn't John Astin play him on "Batman?" Or am I thinking of Eli Wallach?
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| TransMonk Dec 10 2009 10:25 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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If he was right handed then it would make sense.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2009 10:31 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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He hammers fastballs from righties, and does absolutely nothing else of value. (Baseball-wise; for all I know, he's got a fantastic clam sauce recipe and the pipes of an angel.) As anything more than a "Holy crap, we could use a home run here, and we've used all our GOOD pinch-hitters" option, no.
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| metirish Dec 10 2009 10:45 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Joe Posnanski of SI and The Kansas City Star imagines what Jacobs would say if you asked him about his swing , this imagining occurred while watching Jacobs take some swings at an imaginary pitch after the opening day game in Chicago got snowed out last season.
Article was about why Jacobs is his favorite player. a fun read http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... index.html
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| smg58 Dec 10 2009 11:05 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The thing that's always puzzled me about Jacobs is that he's been such a poor defensive first baseman, you have to wonder if he really would have been any worse behind the plate.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2009 11:08 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Yes, but a lot more balls get thrown toward home plate.
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| Edgy DC Dec 10 2009 11:20 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Still, there's probably too few people in the Lombardi-Torre-Piazza-Posada family: catchers who are poor defenders but game enough to keep at, with a team who tolerates their presence because of batsmanship that outclasses all or most of catchers in the league.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2009 12:04 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The difference, Edge, is those bats outclass most or all hitters in the league, regardless of position. Jacobs is a one-trick pony offensively-- his OBP was worse than FatBengie's last year.
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| Edgy DC Dec 10 2009 12:13 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Yeah, but that's also the reason why nobody needs him at first.
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 10 2009 12:32 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Mike (and I'm sorry for even bringing up the bastard) Scioscia.
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| A Boy Named Seo Dec 10 2009 04:18 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Would've happily paid that moolah to roll the dice on Harden.
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| Swan Swan H Dec 10 2009 06:14 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Mike Scioscia could really block the plate. He was one plate-blockin' son-of-a-gun. Yessir, when it comes to blocking the plate nobody blocked the plate like Mike "Mr. Plate Blocker" Scioscia blocked the plate.
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| Ashie62 Dec 10 2009 07:10 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Would you rather have Rafael Soriano or Francisco Rodriguez as your closer?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2009 10:18 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Seconded, eh? There's still Sheets. And last year's primary suitor just settled for the Canuck who actually pitched last year, so...
Onfield, it's a push-- Frankie was better, but he's hemorrhaging value at this point, while Sori's only mildly diminishing. But in the end, probably Sori. Why?  "SEE MY VEST!"
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| Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 10:15 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Pedro Feliz to the Astros. One year.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2009 11:00 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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They also tossed a Schoeneweisian $15M/3 years at Brandon Lyon... after supposedly losing out on Latroy Hawkins because of their reluctance to give HIM a third year. Ladies and Gentles... Ed Wade!
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| smg58 Dec 11 2009 11:01 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The Royals make a bunch of minor-league signings that include Bruce Chen, Vance Wilson, and Adam Bostick. Bostick bugs me, as it would have only cost a spot on the 40 to keep him.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2009 11:01 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 11 2009 11:30 AM |
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FWHOOPS.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2009 11:01 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Dec 11 2009 11:30 AM |
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DOUBLE FWHOOPS.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2009 11:06 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 11 2009 11:16 AM |
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As per Verducci in SI:
If true, that's pretty damn impressive. I'm pretty certain that the only guys making phone calls in a similar situation are-- maybe-- Epstein and Ruben Amaro*. *I REALLY wish the Phils hadn't fired Ed Wade.
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| metirish Dec 11 2009 11:09 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 11 2009 11:14 AM |
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Jeez I can feel Verducci's hard on from here......anyway I agree about the Phillies.....SI ,maybe even Verducci has them as the faveorite to get Halladay.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 11 2009 11:14 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Gotta be one of the two teams without a stathead on board. In fact I asked Drayton McLane about his feelings on that once, and he said something about loyalty to Jeff Bagwell or something. Greg would remember better.
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| metirish Dec 11 2009 11:16 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Which would be funny because the ultimate Bill James player played there for so many years......Biggio
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2009 03:20 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Non-tender deadline tomorrow. Likely candidates include:
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| Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 03:25 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Navarro was pretty, um, struggly, last year. He struggled. I may prefer Buck --- specially if he wears the fluffy seventies moustache to go with his porny name.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2009 03:45 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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If he signs, and he pulls up in the CitiField parking lot in this...
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| smg58 Dec 11 2009 06:20 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'd still like to see what Garko can do behind the plate. If it doesn't work out, he can always platoon at first, and we're not short of other options at catcher. I'd be willing to offer Wang the league minimum plus lots of incentives. I liked him when he was healthy, but his ETA is May at the earliest. If somebody wants to guarantee him over a million, they're welcome to him. If you work under the assumption that Marquis and Piniero will both regress to their means, Correia would offer comparable quality at a much cheaper price.
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| smg58 Dec 11 2009 06:32 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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PS Elmer Dessens returns with a minor league deal.
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| metirish Dec 11 2009 06:38 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 11 2009 06:51 PM |
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Jason Kendall gets a two year deal from the Royals....$6 million total....he's their new everyday catcher as they didn't offer Miguel Olivo a contract and he's a FA....why would you not bring back a catcher who had 23 HR and 65rbi last season?
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| MFS62 Dec 11 2009 06:42 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Thereby saving an open spot on the major league roster. Later
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| Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 06:47 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Um, maybe they didn't think they could find the likes of Jason Kendall and his cost effective excellence next winter? Really, I have no idea.
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| smg58 Dec 12 2009 10:36 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I do my fair share of complaining about Minaya, but I look at what the Royals, Astros, and Diamondbacks have done so far this offseason and think, "there but for the grace of God..."
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 12 2009 11:27 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Not a bad idea. Problem is, this organization has a bit of a blind spot as far as the importance of catcher defense* goes, even in the face of various and sundry bits of proof that "pitcher handling" isn't any sort of impactful, repeatable skill. I'm not sure if another organization would give him a shot behind the plate, but I'm damn sure this team, as presently run, wouldn't dare do so. *And yet, the decision-making creamy center of the FO seems to GROSSLY underestimate the effect of infield/outfield defense on pitcher stats when handing out contracts.
Exactly the point I was nudging toward. And agreed on Wang.
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| metirish Dec 13 2009 09:21 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Notes & quotes: Alex Cora, who recently signed a one-year, $2-million contract, reportedly left Thursday's game in Puerto Rico with back pain.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2009 10:20 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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And so it begins...
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| Ashie62 Dec 14 2009 11:30 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Rosenthal of FOX has Lackey taking his physical with the Red Sox and signing something like 5 years for 82.5
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2009 02:52 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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See... ordinarily, the panic move for Omar would be to overbid for, say, Lackey. However, that's not an option.
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| metirish Dec 15 2009 09:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Heyman
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| HahnSolo Dec 15 2009 09:45 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I guess FA Scott Podsednik needs to find a new place of employment.
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| attgig Dec 15 2009 10:48 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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how interesting would that be? in otherwords... got pic?
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| batmagadanleadoff Dec 15 2009 10:49 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Mets interested in right-hander Wang
read the rest ... http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... p&c_id=mlb
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 15 2009 11:05 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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After two pages of Google image search, I was beginning to doubt that this woman's ever taken a SFW shot in her adult lifetime.  
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| attgig Dec 15 2009 11:07 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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thanks... i was afraid of that, and didn't want to be searching here.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 15 2009 12:40 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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John Peter (Juan Pierre) to the ChiSox for dos/duex PtbNL
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| Rockin' Doc Dec 15 2009 08:03 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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She's even been the St. Pauli Girl...
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| metirish Dec 16 2009 10:05 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Means little but Frenchie has spoken to " his guys" about coming to the Mets.....Marquis and DeRosa
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| MFS62 Dec 16 2009 10:08 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I like DeRosa. He is a versatile player with some pop in his bat. Later
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| Centerfield Dec 16 2009 10:10 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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This just in: Kevin Elster = high profile player
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 16 2009 02:35 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Multiple team executives tell wannabe Gammons/former MFY shill Buster Olney and Philagandist Jayson Stark that Joel Pineiro must be buying from the same dealer as FatBengie Molina, as he is pointedly looking for four years at a higher annual salary than Randy Wolf (just under $10M).
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| Fman99 Dec 16 2009 04:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Sheesh, Scotty Pods' wife is HAWT.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 16 2009 05:31 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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What, no head-first slide into third base?
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| metirish Dec 17 2009 07:12 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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This seems a bit much
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 17 2009 07:13 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'm waiting for a contract to have a clause regarding Schaefer points.
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| duan Dec 17 2009 07:19 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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and baltimore signing him means no 1st round pic for the Braves, who've managed to demonstrate BOTH the possible downsides of offering Billy Wagner arbitration in offering it to Soriano & Gonzalez
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2009 07:41 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Vaccaro of the Post hits another home run. Harper (I'm going to re-name him, Hacker) gets the Snooze back page once again to try and poke a stick at the Mets; inside his story is loaded with ambiguity.
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| Edgy DC Dec 17 2009 07:53 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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What's that? Perspective? Fire him immediately.
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| Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 17 2009 07:55 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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There's a lot right in the Vaccarro post, but I really doubt that the Twins will let Mauer get to free agency next year. If he does, the Mets should smash all their piggy banks, of course, but I think he'll stay a Twin. And Pujols will probably stay a Cardinal, which would make next year's free agent class a lot less attractive than it looks right now.
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| metirish Dec 17 2009 08:00 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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So , so true
I might start buying the NY Post again if I start seeing more of this " fair & balanced" writing.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 17 2009 08:01 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Vaccaro is right; it sucks to give cream-of-the-crop money to the cream of an inferior crop.
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| TransMonk Dec 17 2009 09:07 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Our friend Mark Healy is posting that Mets are in talks with Reds about Bronson Arroyo and that Molina will not be offered a 3rd year among other things.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2009 09:11 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'd prefer Aaron Harang, probably.
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| TransMonk Dec 17 2009 09:24 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I find they're very similar. Why would you prefer Harang? Harang is 9 months younger. He will earn 12.5M in 2010 and has a club option for 2011 worth 12.75M with a 2M buyout. Arroyo will earn 11M in 2010 and has a club option for 2011 worth 11M with a 2M buyout. Harang ERA+ over past 3 years = 106 Arroyo ERA+ over past 3 years = 104 Arroyo has 12 more starts in that span and 11 more wins. Harang is the better K pitcher.
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| HahnSolo Dec 17 2009 09:28 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Mike Francesa absolutely loves Arroyo. At least he used to have a hopeless man-crush on him when I listened more frequently.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2009 09:35 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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That's mostly it. I also think that contract makes him a slightly easier get, and the fact that he's more of a "low-sell" than Arroyo right now. He was banged up last year but they shut him down and the presumption is he'd be healthy this year. I mean, that's obviously a concern for the Mets docs to consider but both healthy I'll take Harang.
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| TransMonk Dec 17 2009 09:38 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Gotcha...makes sense. Personally, I'd be happy with either.
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| Edgy DC Dec 17 2009 09:40 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Douchey bad career track for Arroyo.
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| metirish Dec 17 2009 01:13 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The Orioles signed free-agent 1B-3B Garrett Atkins according to reports
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2009 01:47 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'm liking the O's. I predict they will get much "sleeper" attention this year a la the Rays in 08.
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| Edgy DC Dec 17 2009 01:56 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Before collapsing in July.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2009 04:29 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Depends on how often they play the MFYs that month, but yeah.
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| metirish Dec 17 2009 07:30 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Several ex Mets signing with the Dodgers.
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| Nymr83 Dec 17 2009 10:21 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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if the Mets believe next year's free agent crop will be significantly better than this year perhaps they should see who the best player they can sign to a one year deal is, even if they have to pay extra for that one year, so that they don't miss ourt next year Vaccaro might be the best of the NY baseball writers right now
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| metirish Dec 18 2009 07:14 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Nick Johnson back to the MFY's at effectively the same money as Matsui went to the Angels for...$1 million less to get Johnson. If the primary role for Johnson is going to be DH then wouldn't you be better going with Matsui?
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| Edgy DC Dec 18 2009 07:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Good move by the Yanks. Get a DH and get some Teixiera insurance.
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| smg58 Dec 18 2009 08:11 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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And Yankeee Stadium could make Johnson's power numbers reappear in a hurry.
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| attgig Dec 18 2009 09:09 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Vaccaro is absolutely right. as for LF this year, is Pagan really that horrible of an option? we could always bring moises alou back! Honestly, I'm still waiting, and a bit afraid of the old foggie that's way past his prime that Omar likes to sign every single year. my money is on vlad, but we'll see.
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| Edgy DC Dec 18 2009 09:16 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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No, he's not that horrible an option, but somewhere --- among first, second, left, right, and catcher --- folks are looking for an option that's more of a lock.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 18 2009 09:47 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Johnson is also an option SOMEWHERE in the field for a game or two or twenty. Matsui isn't.
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| attgig Dec 18 2009 10:13 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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of the questionmarks we have offensively, I think the biggest is on first base....not left field. it just happens that the best available FA's are in LF. imo, i don't think it's good to have the market dictate who we go after, and our needs. Catcher - we know what's out there, and we're waiting on molina. if we don't get molina, i don't think barajas or anyone else is that much of a dropoff. 2b - Castillo is more than just an option. he's better than 08 campaign, and his career numbers are closer to 09. i think we know what we're getting, and although there's no power, it's plenty. RF - definitely a wildcard. Frenchy's got potential for good power and ave, but he could be a sub700 ops hitter like he was before atl gave up on him. LF - Pagan's 09 was the first time he was playing close to everyday. he's athletic enough, and with good guys around him, I think he can grow into a full time lf'er. 1b - I think we need to upgrade murphy more than anyone else. he's shown nothing but being inconsistent. honestly, from those 5 positions, 1b, rf, and lf are the only ones to be somewhat concerned about. and 1b is what concerns me the most.
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| Edgy DC Dec 18 2009 10:24 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Rightfield concerns me most. I don't know that Murphy will progress to become an average (or better) major league firstbaseman, but I feel good that he's got enough Magadanesque skills that he won't have a disastrous hitting year.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 18 2009 10:57 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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As per Larry Stone of the Seattle Times The Cubs seem to finally be shedding Bradley and his albatross bucks ($21M over next 2 years)... to Seattle for Carlos Silva ($24M over next 2)?
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| Edgy DC Dec 18 2009 11:00 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Carlos Silva --- there's a mistake we had every opportunity to make and didn't.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 18 2009 11:02 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Another left fielder shopper has left the building.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 18 2009 11:05 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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And, on another note, Jeff Passan takes a look at Scott Boras' use of mystery teams.
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| Edgy DC Dec 18 2009 11:07 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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"Fuckit," thinks Omar, "I'm tempted to sign sign 'em both, and shove it. Up. Harper's. Ass."
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| metirish Dec 19 2009 09:21 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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By Jon Heyman, SI.com
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| Nymr83 Dec 19 2009 10:34 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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| Frayed Knot Dec 20 2009 06:53 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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That Lowell deal getting slam-dunked (I had a feeling that might happen) not only throws a wrench into the BoSox overall plans but probably takes them even further out of the Bay sweepstakes, assuming they weren't already out to begin with.
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| Ashie62 Dec 20 2009 05:14 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I would be surprised if Murphy was NOT the 1B next season for no other reason I don't see any other alternatives for this season.
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| RealityChuck Dec 20 2009 07:11 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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| smg58 Dec 21 2009 08:49 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Darren Oliver appears headed to Texas for a year and $3.5M, plus a possible option. Coco Crisp is getting $5M plus an option from the A's.
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| 86-Dreamer Dec 21 2009 09:02 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I have not read any chatter at all about Adam LaRoche, but wonder if the Johnson and Matsui contracts will limit his ability to get more than 2 years or more than $8 million per year. For two years or less, I think he would be a great fit for the Mets offensively and defensively until Ike Davis is ready. Would gladly pass on Molina to make that happen.
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| Vic Sage Dec 21 2009 09:16 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I don't think LaRoche is comparable, in that NJohnson and Matsui got the contracts they got only because they are damaged goods that can't play every day. LaRoche is 30, healthy and relatively productive, with a decent glove. His career OPS is around .840 (OPS+ over 120). I bet he can get a 3-5 year deal, at around $8-$10m/yr. He's not a .300/30hr guy, but a .275/25hr guy with a decent glove, in the prime of his career, who plays every day, isn't going to get a low-end deal. I'd prefer him to Murphy, though. And Ike can play the OF.
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| metirish Dec 21 2009 10:59 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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This seems like a sensible deal by the Reds and creative too
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| Ashie62 Dec 21 2009 11:15 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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And Rolen will blow his back out by the end of April
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| Ashie62 Dec 21 2009 11:33 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Per Rosenthal...Braves being shown Uggla to play LF
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| Vic Sage Dec 21 2009 12:51 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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i would think his value is as a 30hr 2bman. If he moves to LF, his value becomes greatly diminished.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 21 2009 01:00 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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He's a younger DeRosa, except worse at fielding significantly fewer positions.
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| Ashie62 Dec 21 2009 01:23 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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and the Nationals win the Jason Marquis derby
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| metirish Dec 21 2009 01:29 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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A two-year, $15 million deal from what I can gather....
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 21 2009 01:36 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I wanted no part of Jason Marquis, YLDB.
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| Gwreck Dec 21 2009 01:38 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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30 HR guys have value no matter where they play. Maybe not the megabucks he could get if he was a slick-fielding middle infielder but there's still a lot of value there.
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| Benjamin Grimm Dec 21 2009 01:40 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Is it possible to assume that Piniero's value falls somewhere between Wolf's and Marquis'?
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| metirish Dec 21 2009 01:42 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I'd think so but I bet his agent wouldn't....IIRC there was patter about 4 year deals worth $44 million not that along ago.
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| Ashie62 Dec 21 2009 01:42 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Darn Tootin! sic em Omar!!
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 21 2009 03:50 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Value? Yes. But not the same value. There were 4 2B who hit 30 homers last year. There were 16 such corner outfielders. He's in the upper third of 2B, value-wise. He'd be middle-of-the-pack-- assuming he hits his upper-20-percentile CHONE productions-- in LF, assuming he plays the position reasonably well.
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| DocTee Dec 22 2009 08:16 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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MFY send Melky Cabrera to ATL for Javy Vazquez, as per ESPN.
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| metirish Dec 22 2009 08:20 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Touted MFY prospect Arodys Vizcaino goes in the deal.......good trade for the MFY , hell of a rotation
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| Edgy DC Dec 22 2009 08:21 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Wow, the Yanks traded Arod.
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| HahnSolo Dec 22 2009 08:25 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Remind me about the Braves outfield again, does Melky become an everyday player? They have McLouth for center, I think.
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| Edgy DC Dec 22 2009 08:29 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Before the trade, the outfield looked to be Diaz/McLouth/Infante.
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| metirish Dec 22 2009 08:33 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Are the MFY's now lookign for an outfielder?
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| HahnSolo Dec 22 2009 08:38 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Could open the door to bring Damon back. I don't see much of a market for him.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 22 2009 08:46 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Melky sucks cack, so I don;t see what this does for the Braves except shed some salary. The prospects are said to have good upside but plenty of questions still.
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| soupcan Dec 22 2009 08:48 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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What stops them from going after Bay?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 22 2009 08:50 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Holliday is better and more expensive, increasing their chances of success.
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| attgig Dec 22 2009 09:13 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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according to espn:
yankees go for a cheaper option and braves go after bay/damon?!?! riiiigghhttt Stark... riiiggghht...
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| metirish Dec 22 2009 09:16 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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John Harper will find this trade as proof of something or other about the Mets and Minaya.
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| TransMonk Dec 22 2009 09:45 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I originally read this as Javy Lopez and thought what a great deal it was by the Braves!
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| MFS62 Dec 22 2009 10:02 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Don't forget Matt Fuckin' Diaz. Later
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| Ashie62 Dec 22 2009 10:06 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Rotoworld has the Yankees close to getting Mark DeRosa and going after Bay I think I'm gonna puke
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| Edgy DC Dec 22 2009 10:08 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Don't get animated over rotoworld.
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| smg58 Dec 22 2009 10:10 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Melky is a paragon of mediocrity; he'd be nobody on any other team and will be just that for Atlanta.
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| smg58 Dec 22 2009 10:12 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The Braves do have Diaz and McLouth. They also have Jordan Schafer, who didn't hit in his first crack at the majors and then got hurt. They might make first base a higher priority than the outfield, but I'm not sure.
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| attgig Dec 22 2009 11:03 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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they also have Heyward, who's supposed to be one of the top OF prospects in the game. though, he's still pretty young.
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| Edgy DC Dec 22 2009 12:15 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Yeah, that's the kind of reasoning that makes the Post great.
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| Ashie62 Dec 22 2009 12:16 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Angels, Indians, Mariners interested in old Bay as they see Mets are sole bidder
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| Ashie62 Dec 22 2009 12:17 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I tend to get animated over just about anything
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| metirish Dec 22 2009 12:17 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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That same reasoning was being touted on MLB's Hot Stove show last night...I think toungue in cheek but you never know.
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| HahnSolo Dec 22 2009 12:24 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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I did not know that about Marquis...the postseason thing.
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| Edgy DC Dec 22 2009 12:25 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Looks like Steve Trachsel's less well shaven brother.
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| Ashie62 Dec 22 2009 12:27 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Players are not begging. Agents may be
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| attgig Dec 22 2009 01:27 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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quite a few pitchers still out there on par with Marquis. I think any of them can be had for about that price. perhaps piniero, who the mets were soooo interested in when the offseason began.... who knows. we'll see.... but no biggie.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 22 2009 03:28 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Kevin Goldstein at 'Baseball Prospectus' just ranked the MFY prospects today and ranked Vizcaino 2nd giving him '4 stars' BA had him 3rd on their Yanx list I guess he must show a lot of promise because he just turned 19 and has yet to play in a full-season league Yanx also get LHP Boone Logan Vazquez is in the final year of his contract. Yanx probably feel at worst they'll get a couple of draft picks after next season.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 22 2009 10:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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It's true, he's pitched on 10 teams what made it to the postseason. Which means he's one unappreciated lucky charm, since he's only made 5 postseason rosters, and made a grand total of 3 playoff starts.
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| Ashie62 Dec 23 2009 10:45 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Fox.com..has the Nationals now targeting Matt Capps, Eddie Guardado & John Smoltz
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| metirish Dec 23 2009 11:48 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The Nationals are nearing a one-year deal with left-handed reliever Eddie Guardado, multiple major league sources told FOXSports.com.
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| metirish Dec 23 2009 12:09 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Troy Glaus to the Braves for one year, to play first base says Jon Heyam
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| Frayed Knot Dec 23 2009 12:14 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Braves have a 1B prospect who probably would have to be rushed if they wanted him to start by opening day 2010.
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| metirish Dec 23 2009 06:00 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Fernando Rodney has reached an agreement with the Angels, SI.com has confirmed.
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| Edgy DC Dec 23 2009 08:15 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Neva hoid a him.
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| Chad Ochoseis Dec 23 2009 08:51 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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This makes Adam LaRoche available. Given that most of the usual free-agent signing suspects don't have a need at 1B, he might not be all that pricy.
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| Edgy DC Dec 23 2009 11:10 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The Sox are reportedly expanding the budget to offer mo' money to Jason Bay.
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| Ashie62 Dec 24 2009 07:42 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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With 81 minutes Ladsen from MLB.com goes from Capps not go to the Nats to Capps has signed a 1 year for 3.5 million with the Nats
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| smg58 Dec 24 2009 10:06 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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The bizarre thing about all the money going to relievers so far this offseason is that there is currently no obvious taker for Jose Valverde's services.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 24 2009 10:11 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Part of the reason is probably because Valverde is one of three remaining FAs that will cost the singing team a draft pick - Bay & Holliday are the others.
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| Ashie62 Dec 24 2009 02:41 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Omar is talking to Valverdes agent now
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| DocTee Dec 28 2009 09:17 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Mark DeRosa to SF: 2 years/$12 million.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 28 2009 11:05 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Bobby Howry's a Diamondback. (1 year; terms undisclosed.)
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| Ashie62 Dec 30 2009 12:24 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Fox is reporting the Orioles are offering Holliday 8 years at 130 million
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 30 2009 04:08 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Regarding the purported O's Holliday offer, Andy McPhail's all: "Wait... WE offered him that? No f-ing way, brah." Or something like that.
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| smg58 Dec 30 2009 04:12 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Johnson barely got more than Cora. It will be interesting to see how Uribe fares in comparison.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 30 2009 04:16 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Guh. Yes, but we got the man we wanted there... outbidding the countless teams willing to give a backup coming off a horrible, injury-plagued year 2 million... PLUS A VESTING OPTION. (Again, guh.)
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| Frayed Knot Dec 30 2009 04:48 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Also makes a difference that Cora plays SS. Johnson played it in the minors but not once in the majors and wasn't exactly a great 2B IIRC so I don't see him going back there for anything other than a short-term emergency.
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| Edgy DC Dec 30 2009 07:59 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Is one year, two mills to a utility infielder that much of an issue? I mean, folks are all over the interwebs claiming that the Mets should have somehow had the depth to withstand the injury pinch. Well, that's what depth looks like. A year and two mills to guys who look a lot like Cora.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 30 2009 08:44 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Cora is "roster depth" the way Homefill is "furniture."
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| Edgy DC Dec 30 2009 09:14 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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One reason is we know he was playing hurt last season.
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| Ceetar Dec 31 2009 07:09 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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This makes sense. It's easy to tell you who would've been a replacement level league-minimum backup in 2009. It's not quite as easy for 2010. Also, you never know how the environment factor will play in. One guys butts head with his manager, doesn't do well. Another guy really clicks with a hitting coach and boom, good year. Cora's just the safe bet, for basically peanuts.
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| Edgy DC Dec 31 2009 07:19 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Thank you.
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| Ceetar Dec 31 2009 07:40 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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Unfortunately, Bengie Molina has the same problem. *snickers at himself*
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 31 2009 09:46 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009 |
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And it was a stand-up move. Frankly, though, a smart team's not rewarding an easily-replaceable spare part for his getting hurt. Listen, I know the guy who bitches to Joe Benigno about why the team signs a backup, and wonders why the team can't sign Orlando Hudson AND Placido Polanco to back up our starters. Trust me; I'm not that guy. I'm just wondering why the hell the team would pay a guy who was hurt AND had a down year last year-- causation doesn't matter so much in this case-- more than virtually any other utility-infielder on the market (Ramon Martinez, Wilson Valdez, Adam Everett, Bobby Crosby... hell, Omar Vizquel), along with giving him a vesting option that runs counter to your team's wishes/desires. It's the low-rent equivalent of giving, say, Ben Sheets $12 million guaranteed coming off an injury, and it makes no sense to me unless Omar made him promises in return for playing hurt (in which case O REALLY shouldn't have "GM" on his nameplate anymore). Hell, apart from this and (apparently) not seriously kicking Holliday's tires, I've liked the way the Mets offseason is run. But deals like this just make me think bad thoughts about the org's player valuation... and give me Molina-for-three night sweats.
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| Edgy DC Dec 31 2009 10:21 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Why.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 31 2009 11:37 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 01 2010 12:11 AM |
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After paying him a pretty high amount for a MI backup, they expected they had bought solid defense, a startable bat, and-- at the very least-- for the guy to play all year. They didn't get any of it. So they bring him back... at the same price-- with no discount for injury risk OR performance degradation from that injury-- plus one vesting option year? As simply as possible: you can disagree about the degree to which it's bad, but it seems inarguable that buying Cora at that price is bad shopping.
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| Frayed Knot Dec 31 2009 05:53 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Marlon Byrd to the Cubbies for 3 years - they're apparently going to play him in CF.
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| Valadius Jan 04 2010 06:50 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Adrian Beltre to the Red Sox for 1 year plus an option. This makes Mike Lowell expendable, with rumors swirling that the Mets are taking a look at him as a first baseman.
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| Nymr83 Jan 04 2010 07:51 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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i dont think Lowell is a good enough hitter at this point to make it worth taking him on and switching his position to get him in the lineup
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| seawolf17 Jan 04 2010 08:02 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Pass.
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| Frayed Knot Jan 04 2010 08:04 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Well Lowell always was available - hell, he was traded once already this winter but it fell through due to a failed physical.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 04 2010 08:17 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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If they're getting this back, they probably aren't eating much Lowell salary.
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| Frayed Knot Jan 04 2010 08:36 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Lowell still managed to bang out 47 XBHs in less than 500 ABs last season so he can still swing the bat a bit.
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| Ashie62 Jan 04 2010 10:24 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I see a source has Lowell to Mets for Castillo, Mets assume most salary and then sign Orlando Hudson
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| Edgy DC Jan 05 2010 05:48 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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As a reserve and possibly as trade fodder.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 05 2010 06:08 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I think, even if the Mets did sign a first baseman, Murphy would somehow manage to get about 300 plate appearances in 2010.
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| Valadius Jan 05 2010 07:19 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I find it unacceptable for the Mets to do nothing at first base considering that Murphy had the lowest OPS of any regular first baseman in baseball last year. I don't know about Lowell, but I'm sure as hell not convinced that Murphy can develop into a 30-100 hitter.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 05 2010 07:29 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I don't think the Mets are waiting for those numbers either. I think they need a solid Plan B at first base, even a ready platoonmate if necessary, but Muffy to me is all upside at this point; it's not as if, with a safety net, we'll experience any less production than we got from him last year and we've at least made some strides to improve the O elsewhere.
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| Edgy DC Jan 05 2010 07:32 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Does unacceptable mean you're bailing on the team if they go foreward with Murphy?
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| Valadius Jan 05 2010 07:34 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Hell no. That will never happen.
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| Edgy DC Jan 05 2010 07:51 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Then, we have to accept some tihngs.
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| smg58 Jan 05 2010 08:46 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The Mets bench, as it currently looks, is a little too left-handed. Carter and Cora are lefties, and Pagan hits better from the left side. They do need a righthanded bat, certainly one who can play first base, and possibly one who can play third and maybe second as well. Third base might not be a necessity if they're willing to give Murphy some games there -- if nothing else, the Mets would maximize Murphy's trade value next year if teams think he can hit well enough to play third without hurting them defensively. Otherwise, the Mets should take a look at somebody like Ron Belliard. He hits lefties well, can play any infield position, and with the market for second baseman being so depressed, he's likely to come cheap.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 05 2010 09:02 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Melvin Mora hits LHP well and can fake it in several positions. I'd ask.
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| MFS62 Jan 05 2010 10:03 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The last time Lowell played first base was for four, whole, entire, games in AAA about 13 years ago.
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| Edgy DC Jan 05 2010 10:14 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I doubt first is generally harder on hip injuries than other baseball positions --- or hitting and runnng.
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| MFS62 Jan 05 2010 10:30 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Possibly. But is it worth a $12 million (net $6 million) gamble? I guess the question is valid for Delgado, too. Later
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 05 2010 10:55 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Call me a loser but I'd just as soon thank Delgado for what he gave us (2 very good years, 2 injured and lost + a huge difference in 2006) and let him go back to Toronto or wherever as a DH.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2010 12:01 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Post-Bay signing, the Mets are looking for pitching. Beating down doors for pitching. Wearing down a closet full of shoe leather looking for pitching. Zambrano deals, Arroyo deals, more deals explored than the World Series of Poker on fast-forward. (That's a lot of deals.)
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 05 2010 12:19 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Omar, talking to Kevin Burkhardt today, downplayed the need for pitching. Would he like to get a pitcher? Sure, you can never have enough pitching. But remember, last year the Mets were picked to win the World Series with Santana and Maine and Pelfrey and Perez and they still have those four guys.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2010 12:27 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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It's a joy to watch someone learn from their mistakes, isn't it?
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| Edgy DC Jan 05 2010 12:49 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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He's just keeping his cards close to his chest, so as not to set anybody up for disappointment.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 05 2010 01:09 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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That's what I'm hoping.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2010 02:16 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I repeat:
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| RealityChuck Jan 05 2010 02:35 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Or because that's smart negotiating.
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| smg58 Jan 05 2010 02:45 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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In other news, Adrian Beltre is likely to sign with Boston, who are close to dealing Casey Kotchman to Seattle. Randy Johnson is expected to announce his retirement. Troy Glaus is officially a Brave for $1.75M plus incentives, and Juan Uribe is officially a Giant for $3.25M.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2010 02:59 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I grasp the concept, and I'll grant that this would be just the sort of thing that the savvy GM might say to downplay his interest in a FA pitcher or pitchers. I just have trouble believing it, given that most dealings in the recent between this GM and the media don't seem part of any plan whatsoever... or at least one that any sane person would choose. "I've been working hard all fall, and I'm coming to spring training in the best shape of my life" might be the sort of thing you hear out of an ace pitcher about to have his best season. When it comes from the mouth of Ollie Perez, well... that might be the case, but you tend to not want to bet the house on his winning that Cy Young award.
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| Edgy DC Jan 05 2010 03:21 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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If he doesn't win the Cy Young, it doesn't mean he wasn't in great shape.
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| Valadius Jan 05 2010 04:00 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Let's linger on this news for a moment, shall we? Randy Johnson was THE most dominant pitcher I've ever seen. Now, my frame of reference is limited to the '90s and the '00s, but still, what a career, especially in Arizona. It would be fitting if Johnson and Pedro Martinez's plaques were side by side.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2010 04:12 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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And granted. He could be working on something. He likely is.
And this is a good thing-- Bay's a solid 3-WAR guy who'll complement a healthy "core" nicely. (A gooder thing, still, to sign a 5-6 WAR guy like Holliday for equivalent or equivalent-plus money, but I digress.) I should hope they were able to land him-- they were constant wooers, and expressed interest early, and offered one more year and a shit-ton more money than the nearest competitor (the Sox $60M offer went off the table mighty early, apparently). But as to your overall point... fair enough. I swear, I'm not wandering through this off-season with a mad-on for Omar. But, like Francoeur, say, he's got a track record. And if his past in this particular area hints that he's not particularly good at advanced-level media engagement, I get a little anxious when I hear him say something like that, which you'll have to allow, is a reasonable-- if not entirely rationally motivated-- response. If said track record is littered with instances where he focuses his offseason efforts on perpetually fixing last year's perceived problem (be it "nothing" in 2006, a top-line pitcher in 2007, or bullpen depth in 2008) to the near-exclusion of everything else, including preemptive address of depth issues, then my anxiety tends to deepen when he volunteers a comment that falls right in line with said history. But, yes, I'll breathe deeply for the moment... until the team signs Pineiro for 4 yrs/40 million. (You'll notice no Jim from Bayside-style ranting in my complaints above... merely Francis from Castle Hill-style idle bitching.)
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| Ashie62 Jan 05 2010 04:37 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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In other news Boras/aka/Heyman state it is a Holliday in St. Louis 7/$120
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| smg58 Jan 05 2010 05:12 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I still think Holliday's the better player, but for THAT much more than Bay? We'll see if anybody acknowledges that Minaya comes out of this looking good.
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| Edgy DC Jan 05 2010 05:41 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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So far, he's got my acknowledgement.
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| Gwreck Jan 05 2010 05:58 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I strongly preferred Holliday but he just got the same deal the Mets gave Beltran before the 2005 season.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 05 2010 06:20 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Mine as well. Dasssssssalottaclams. $54M more in guaranteed money than Bay, AND a full no-trade. Yeesh.
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| Nymr83 Jan 05 2010 06:37 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The right choice was made here as far as cost effectiveness, Bay got too much I think because he was one of he best players in a weak FA class, but paying Holliday like Beltran? YIKES!
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| TransMonk Jan 06 2010 07:15 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Minaya comes out of this looking good.
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| MFS62 Jan 06 2010 08:11 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Well , in case nobody noticed (and I can guess why), Baywatch was about rescues. Maybe Omar feels this one deal has rescued his arse. Later
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| Edgy DC Jan 06 2010 08:18 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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If Baywatch was about anything, it was about titties.
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| Edgy DC Jan 06 2010 08:35 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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See, if I want to indict Omar, it's the something he did in 2006 (understanding that we're talking about the offseason following 2006) that is the heart of the case against him. Victor Diaz for Mike Nickeas -- lose. Heath Bell and Royce Ring to for Jon Adkins and Ben Johnson -- big lose. Signing Alou -- big lose. Signing Easley -- win. Henry Owens and Matt Lindstrom for Jason Vargas and Adam Bostick -- big lose. Letting Bradford walk -- lose. Letting Woodward walk -- win. Signing Newhan -- loss. Signing Sosa -- eh. Siging Schoeneweis -- big silly loss. Letting Floyd walk -- well, he was a better investment for for left than Alou. Signing Sele -- eh. Letting Zambrano walk -- win. Big whoop. Letting Trax walk -- probably a loss. Signing Alomar -- proably a loss. Releasing Soler -- win. Signing Tatis -- win. Siging Ledee -- loss. Take away that offseason and Omar Minaya is way ahead on the ledger.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 06 2010 08:50 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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You forgot Banny-for-Burgos. Yoy, I must have been suppressing that chain of moves.
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| Gwreck Jan 06 2010 09:07 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Also: Letting Darren Oliver walk - lose.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2010 09:08 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I honestly don't remember what the perceived needs were going into the 2006-07 offseason, but I do remember being surprised that Moises Alou was the one significant move that the Mets made. There was something else that I was hoping for, but I don't recall what it was.
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| Gwreck Jan 06 2010 09:11 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Ah, forgot another one. Re-signing Mota - big lose.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 06 2010 09:23 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Who's patona314? All over the place that guy was.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2010 09:29 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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It looks like we were thinking about Soriano that month.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 06 2010 09:42 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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And that's also the winter that the Mets went to woo Barry Zito. And maybe considered Jeff Suppan as well.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 06 2010 09:53 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Not a lot of supastars available that year. Soriano, Zito amd Carlos Lee all have been disappointments for their $$. But yeah, loading up the Mets that year with Newhan and Schoeneweis and Sele did the team zero favors as far as repeating.
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| Ashie62 Jan 06 2010 12:02 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Carlos Lee has been a disappointment? Guy is pretty solid
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| DocTee Jan 07 2010 09:17 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Jack Cust returns to Oakland: 1 year, $2.65 million
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| DocTee Jan 08 2010 08:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Scott Podsednik and his uber-hot wife to KC.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 08 2010 04:36 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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As per Bryan McTaggart of MLB.com, reliever/starter/dush Brett Myers will assert his dominance in a calm, dignified fashion for Houston. (Terms unannounced, pending physical.)
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 11 2010 12:59 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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As of last night, Aubrey Huff has signed with San Francisco (1 yr/$3M).
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| Vic Sage Jan 11 2010 01:18 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I'd offer him 2/yrs $18m.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 11 2010 11:30 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Ooooor you could slide that money over to Son of Ka-el, and get some wormkilling for yer dollar.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/m ... neiro.html
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| Ashie62 Jan 12 2010 04:10 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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How do you think Omar will address the starting pitching. After the freshly cut Santana there are 4 question marks.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 19 2010 02:40 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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From today's Buster Olney blog post: No budget? No problem. Just ask nicely.
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| Number 6 Jan 19 2010 02:48 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Jays rumored to be bringing back Delgado, according to MLB.com's Noah Coslov by way of MLBTR.
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| Ashie62 Jan 19 2010 04:17 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Jays deny it..Olney says Mets onto Pineiro and Molina took a hike
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| metirish Jan 19 2010 04:54 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I'm sure it's somewhere, Heilman to AZ for 1year & $2 million plus.
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| OlerudOwned Jan 20 2010 05:05 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Merkin "Merkin" Valdez traded to Toronto.
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| MFS62 Jan 20 2010 05:08 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Is that true? Or are you just merkin us around? Later
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| A Boy Named Seo Jan 20 2010 05:29 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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He should help patch things up.
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| Number 6 Jan 20 2010 05:34 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Things are sure getting hairy in Toronto.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 20 2010 05:48 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Makes sense... they've got an opening he's suited to cover.
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| seawolf17 Jan 20 2010 05:51 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I don't get it.
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| Fman99 Jan 20 2010 07:11 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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You can cross 'Merkin off' the free agent list
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| Ashie62 Jan 20 2010 08:14 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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maybe Madoff did steal most of Fred's money..Just don't tell Jeff!
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| metirish Jan 22 2010 08:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Outfielder Rick Ankiel is in agreement on a $3.25 million deal with the Royals, SI.com has learned.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 22 2010 09:05 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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He didn't want to play in New York? Well, then we didn't want him here.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 22 2010 10:03 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Don't fuck with the Jesus
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| willpie Jan 23 2010 08:49 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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| Ashie62 Jan 23 2010 09:09 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The remainder of FA starting pitchers is coming down the lane and a motley crue it tis.
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| metirish Jan 23 2010 09:56 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Bedard is only 30 and in 15 starts for Seattle last seaon sported a 2.82 ERA, so what's wrong with him?
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| Ashie62 Jan 23 2010 10:33 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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True..it seems he has arm trouble as often as he doesn't..
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| MFS62 Jan 23 2010 11:10 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I also read some writers a while back who pussy-footed around that Bedard might also have some head problems playing in NY. Nothing specific, just my reading between the lines.
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| Frayed Knot Jan 23 2010 11:17 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Injuries both above and below the neck. He was a big-time prospect with the O's but they dealt him for OFer Adam Jones and others in what was probably the only good move during the Peter Angelos era for at least the last decade. Bedard not only wound up oft-injured in Seattle but also got tagged as a head-case and a discipline problem.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 23 2010 01:29 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 23 2010 01:37 PM |
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Em, why-- given all the platoon-y/depth questions, hasn't there been more of a push to resign 3B/1B/LF/RF/2B/SS Tatis (paid $1.7M last year and worth 3-4 times that)?
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| HahnSolo Jan 23 2010 01:32 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Garland to me would be a durable, and perhaps Trachsellian, addition to the rotation. Nothing to pop champagne corks about, but a guy I'd feel reasonably confident in every five days. And I'd be reasonably comfortable that he'd actually make it out there every five days.
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| Edgy DC Jan 23 2010 01:43 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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He's on the radar. Fangraphs' value-o-meter is fun but I just have trouble seeing what their numbers say was there. He was worth $6.9 million last season? Really?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 23 2010 01:48 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Yeah, it's based on their yearly estimate of marginal win cost, and it seems a little fungible.
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| metirish Jan 23 2010 01:59 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I read somewhere today that Tatis is being looked at as a platoon with Murphy .
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| Ceetar Jan 23 2010 02:38 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Bringing Tatis back is one of the few moves that could be make that would make me severely consider cutting the number of games I go to next year.
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| Vic Sage Jan 23 2010 03:00 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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i have no idea what team you were watching, but Tatis played ok last year, and played better than that the year before. If Murphy is still the plan at 1b, Tatis would be a solid platoon partner, as well as a solid backup at the other corner IF/Of slots.
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| Edgy DC Jan 23 2010 03:18 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The problem I think folks may have with Tatis is that he brought most of his productivity after it might have helped change the difference in the season. While they were still trying to hang in there in May and June, and injury were forcing him into more action, he was at his low point.
That kind of stinks, but I'm willing to be charitable enough to write it off as unfortunate timing, rather than bumminess. They faced a surfeit of righthanded pitching in April. Maybe his bat cooled from disuse and it took him a little bit to get going.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 23 2010 04:20 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I'm for flipping Tatis, and pretty much any player who does an unexpectedly good job off the bench. Bring 'em in, move 'em out. The key is to find the next guy with a good season in him in such a role.
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| Ashie62 Jan 23 2010 09:58 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Try and find a player at the major league minimum to fill Tatis' role.
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| Frayed Knot Jan 24 2010 07:54 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Miggy Tejada returns to Bal'mer, only this time as a 3rd baseman.
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| sharpie Jan 24 2010 10:35 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Follows Cal Ripken as shortstop/3b for Balmer.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 24 2010 11:08 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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PSST! MINOR LEAGUERS WHO CAN HIT SOMEWHAT CREDIBLY AND FILL 6 POSITIONS AREN'T AS AVAILABLE AS THEY USED TO BE! And pardon me... but FUCK change for change's sake. I don't have a Tatis jersey in my closet either, but he does essentially what DeRosa does at 1/3 the price.
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| Ashie62 Jan 24 2010 02:59 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Tatis & Derosa both stank
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 24 2010 04:35 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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You're right. What the Mets oughta do is clone David Wright like, 14 times, and clone 9 of Johan. Boom! Roster filled!
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| Ashie62 Jan 25 2010 09:24 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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No
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 25 2010 12:18 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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A bit snarky, considering the provocation. Apologies... was in a bit of a snit yesterday PM.
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| smg58 Jan 26 2010 06:57 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Xavier Nady is a Cub for $3M. Ronnie Belliard is a Dodger again, for $825k -- he hits lefties well enough to platoon at first, and could have been an upgrade at second. The Twins land Jim Thome for $1.5M, which I think is a good deal for them. John Garland gets $4.7M for the Padres.
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| Nymr83 Jan 26 2010 07:12 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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i wouldnt have minded Garland for a year at that price.
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| metirish Jan 26 2010 07:15 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Heyman says O Hudson is down to two teams. Nationals & another
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| SteveJRogers Jan 26 2010 07:23 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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pleasebemets, pleasebemets, pleasebemets!
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| Rockin' Doc Jan 26 2010 09:17 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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With Ben Sheets going to Oakland and Jon Garland going to the Padres, the list of possible starters to possibly bolster the Mets rotation is growing exceedingly slim. The Mets really need to add a solid starting pitcher to the roster, in my opinion. There are few bodies left. Washburn, Wang, Smoltz, Pedro or Looper are about all that I see left other than a risky, possible reclaimation project of Jason Schmidt.
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| MFS62 Jan 27 2010 07:18 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Omar couldn't get laid if he walked into a cathouse with thousand dollar bills hanging out of his pockets.
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| metirish Jan 27 2010 07:25 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Come on man , that's just silly. Ben Sheets for $10 million...no thanks.......
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| Edgy DC Jan 27 2010 07:31 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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That's old, cheap, and ridiculous.
No, it's not. And the "post-Bay" qualifier is risible.
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| metirish Jan 27 2010 07:36 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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From Newsday
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 27 2010 07:41 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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So we'll end up with John Smoltz. And if he turns out to be unavailable, maybe the Mets will try to lure Bob Feller out of retirement.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 27 2010 07:57 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Seriously, can we get over this kind of discourse here? Take it to your members-only forum.
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| MFS62 Jan 27 2010 08:11 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I have been an ardent fan of the team since its inception.
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| Edgy DC Jan 27 2010 08:18 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Yeah, because that's what I fucking said.
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| MFS62 Jan 27 2010 08:24 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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OK, but let's get back to the theme of this thread, the Free Agent market.
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| TransMonk Jan 27 2010 08:44 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Thome's a Twin
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| Vic Sage Jan 27 2010 08:51 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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stupid move by ChiSox, letting Thome go to the team against whom they will be competing for a division title. Despite his accelerated decrepitude, Thome was probably the best hitter on Sox last year.
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| duan Jan 27 2010 09:06 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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seriously if we'd signed Ben Sheets to a one year deal for 10 million plus 2 million in incentives people would have gone "Oh look at Omar overpaying for another injured pitcher because he's do desperate to save his job by making a big splash".
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 27 2010 09:10 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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If Sheets wins 15 or more games with Oakland this year, Omar is going to get roasted. And if he goes 2-5 with a 6.00 ERA, nobody will remember that he might have been a Met.
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| Edgy DC Jan 27 2010 09:23 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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And that's why he's put in a little perspective goes a long way.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 27 2010 11:50 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Rosenthal has at the Omar Pinata:
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 27 2010 12:09 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I don't see the cause and effect here. Why would it be easier to multi-task if you have a strict budget? The Mets could have put out offers simultaneously to Bay and Lackey, for example, and if one signed before the other, the slower guy could (possibly) get his offer revoked. And the Mets were only able to sign Bay because "he lacked a better offer"??? Isn't that pretty much always the case? If a player has a more appealing* offer from another team, wouldn't he pretty much always accept it? *By more appealing, I don't necessarily mean "higher." An offer can also be preferable based on the team's competitiveness or its geography.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 27 2010 12:19 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Not if each offer (and/or counter-offer) has to be pre-approved. You'd be a lot more hesitant-- and less able-- to give firm, comparable offers. You'd be perpetually fishing, really. And yeah, his depiction of the Bay business is kinda sophist-icated.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 27 2010 12:25 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Hmm. Interesting. Does this make Jason Kubel available?
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| Ashie62 Jan 27 2010 12:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The thread is free agent signings..Other than non-roster invitees the Mets are done
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 27 2010 01:42 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Tim "Fatbeard" Redding to the Rockies on a mnrlg deal
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| TransMonk Jan 27 2010 01:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Better them than us.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 27 2010 01:50 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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So say all of us. (I'm guessing.)
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 27 2010 01:54 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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We say that NOW, but may feel differently when the Mets end up signing somebody worse.
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| metirish Jan 27 2010 01:57 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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If at any point in the season I'm missing Redding then I fear things are worse than I suspect.
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| TransMonk Jan 27 2010 01:58 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Randy Winn: New York Yankee
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| metirish Jan 27 2010 01:59 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Headlines Tomorrow
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| Edgy DC Jan 27 2010 02:03 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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WINN TO YANKEES
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| smg58 Jan 27 2010 02:21 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Something had to have bothered Winn swinging righthanded last year. (I'm not sure what's more bizarre -- that he had a .384 OPS in 120 ABs righthanded last year after even platoon splits for his whole career, or that he was allowed to have 120 ABs righthanded under the circumstances.) If he's over that, then he's a great value at $2M for the Yankees, unfortunately.
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| smg58 Jan 27 2010 02:23 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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That would most likely mean that somebody from this forum is on the mound for the Mets, so it wouldn't be all bad.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 27 2010 02:47 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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They've also got a couple of guys at the corners, there, who don't mind lefties one bit.
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| Edgy DC Jan 27 2010 03:05 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Seriously, though, this is as big a "fuck you for your trouble" to Johnny Damon as Damon was to Bernie Williams.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 27 2010 03:07 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Johnny Damon deserves a good fucking. One-handed swinging phony poseur.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 27 2010 03:20 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Does anyone else not mind having him as a CF/OF backup option for 6M? Just me? Never mind.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 27 2010 03:23 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I'd mind. I want him on the Red Sox again, torturing the MFYs purely for my entertainment. Or back where he started with the Royals.
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| Fman99 Jan 27 2010 08:51 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Ronnie Belliard to the Dodgers for one year, 825k.
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| Valadius Jan 27 2010 09:20 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Not the "Castro clause?"
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| metsguyinmichigan Jan 27 2010 09:21 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Did the Matthews trade not end that possibility?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 27 2010 11:08 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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This Matthews guy, he's pretty good, then?
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| Nymr83 Jan 27 2010 11:16 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I think I could walk less people than Oliver Perez and appear in more games than Ben Sheets.
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| duan Jan 28 2010 03:57 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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so what does Gary Matthews have to do - be better then Randy Winn for it to be considered a victory for Omar? I don't know, I actually think people are underestimating how many things went wrong for the Mets last season. If Beltran, Wright, Reyes & Santana are all going to be fucked (wright just power wise) this season too, there's no amount of talent that you could have imported to make the team a legitimate contender. But before the season starts the talent from the core that we've lost is Carlos Delgado and I think replacing him Jason Bay is an ok if slightly expensive swap. Beltran's loss for a month - 6 week - who knows? is the imponderable but difficult to plan for. My instinct is that Angel Pagan is going to be ok, but they found him fragile last season which is why they've agreed to pay Matthews 2 million for 2 years. Someone who (rightly or wrongly) they believe can play league average CF and get towards hitting 350obp/400slg. This to my mind is a commitment to leaving Fernando Martinez at a level and hoping he gets his reps there and can develop. The biggest imponderable is what we get out of Maine/Perez/Pelfrey - but none of the FA options were without their knocks too. I bet the Ollie contract is the one thing that Omar regrets most though.
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| TransMonk Jan 28 2010 01:20 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Jim Edmonds will look to compete with/backup Carlos Gomez in Milwaukee.
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| MFS62 Jan 30 2010 11:30 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Rotoworld is reporting the Mets have signed Frank Catalonato to a minor league contract.
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| bmfc1 Jan 30 2010 11:33 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 30 2010 12:07 PM |
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(Moved)
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| TransMonk Jan 30 2010 11:58 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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It would have been a better pickup in 2006.
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| Nymr83 Jan 31 2010 02:39 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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good pickup.
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| MFS62 Feb 01 2010 09:49 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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According to Rotoworld, the Nats have signed Orlando Hudson to a $3 million plus incentives contract for one year.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 01 2010 09:59 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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A one-year contract? That means we'll probably be having this same discussion next year.
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| Nymr83 Feb 01 2010 10:51 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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just like we did last year. fine with me that another useful plyer will again be available next year, more options are good.
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| Edgy DC Feb 01 2010 11:00 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Reese Havens and Ruben Tejada will be available.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2010 11:16 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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We're at the point in the offseason where teams can acquire a player that will immediately improve a starting slot both offensively AND defensively for the price of a bargain-basement SP or high-priced bench piece... and not a one of them appears to be holding out for multi-year deals.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2010 11:52 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 01 2010 04:22 PM |
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It seems Hudson's not quite a Nat yet.
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| smg58 Feb 01 2010 11:55 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Willy Tavares and Adam Rosales to the A's, Aaron Miles and a PTBNL to Cincy.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2010 01:24 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The Mets are done "spending money for now" (meaning until camp breaks), tweets Buster Olney from beneath the Minayas' living room floorboards (since Ed Price already had the above-board space exclusive).
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2010 02:16 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The S-Trib's Joe Christensen says a basic framework is in place... but WCCO jumps all in and affirms that Joe Mauer's going to be a Twin until he's eligible for the presidency.
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| Farmer Ted Feb 01 2010 03:22 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The Rockies and Melvin Mora looking at a one year, $1.3 million deal.
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| Edgy DC Feb 01 2010 05:01 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I've read in plenty of places that was the only kind of shopping Freddy Coupons ever does. Anyhow, Kelvim Escobar is the bargain of the offseason, baby.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 01 2010 05:07 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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But then who's going to catch for the Yanquis during the next decade?!?!? I thought this was all arranged.
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| metirish Feb 01 2010 05:18 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Mauer must lack ambition ,can't handle the big city....Harper must be livid.
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| Ashie62 Feb 01 2010 06:58 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Jesus Montero
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| MFS62 Feb 01 2010 09:38 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Garko to Seattle - one year, $550K or so.
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| Ashie62 Feb 02 2010 08:57 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Buster Olney..Yorvit Torrealba wants to negotiate with the Mets but the Mets don't have the money.
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| Edgy DC Feb 02 2010 09:33 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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it's not that they don't have the money, it's that they're not offering the money. Good.
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| Fman99 Feb 02 2010 10:23 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Notable unsigned free agents as of Feb 2.
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| metsguyinmichigan Feb 02 2010 10:29 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The list of right-handed relievers looks like a list of our failed bullpen hopes for much of the last decade.
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| smg58 Feb 02 2010 11:07 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Reed Johnson goes to the Dodgers for $800k. Should I mention that he's a better player than Matthews?
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| batmagadanleadoff Feb 02 2010 11:09 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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This would be unexpected. The Twins are one of baseball's three or four poorest teams: they have less money to work with than Billy Beane's Oakland A's. One would expect that Mauer would go the way of Santana and Carew.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 02 2010 11:10 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Amezaga, too. Baldelli as well. And... well... I'm okay with Endy, too. Basically, if a guy plays center field in the majors, he's better than Matthews.
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| Edgy DC Feb 02 2010 11:17 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Jeremy Reed, come on down.
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| Vince Coleman Firecracker Feb 02 2010 08:11 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Fixed.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 03 2010 07:42 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The Mets bring back 31-year-old 1B-OF/TTO guy extraordinaire Val Passucci on a minor-league deal. Was never sure why he never, EVER got called up the first time around-- he's raked AAA for a while now.
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| Edgy DC Feb 03 2010 07:52 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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My first clue that Manuel wasn't as on top of everything as I hoped was when he was asked during a Pascucci tear whether there were any thoughts about calling him up, and he confessed ignorance of the guy.
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| metirish Feb 03 2010 07:58 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Well ,what do we know. I'd have thought talking to the AAA manager a few times a week would be part of managing the big club.
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| Edgy DC Feb 03 2010 08:00 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Maybe he does, but if he was, the subject of Pascucci never came up at a time the guy was slugging .600.
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| bmfc1 Feb 03 2010 08:01 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Omar's doing a great job of improving Buffalo. They won't be as bad as they were last year. Too bad he can't improve two teams at once.
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| duan Feb 03 2010 08:54 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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from memory, valentine was always very good at getting the best out relatively unheralded guys up from AAA, either by luck or by design.
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| Edgy DC Feb 03 2010 08:59 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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He certainly got a lot out of them --- though Benny was a guy he had in AAA. I just mean there were cases of trial by fire --- an infielder thrown into the outfield without a clue here, or there a pinchrunner who may have been young with healthy legs, but not a good baserunner.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 03 2010 09:00 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I know you're just trying to be snarky here but do you really think the 10 Mets will be worse than last year?
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| Vic Sage Feb 03 2010 09:42 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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worse? heck no. Even Baseball Prospectus has the Mets improving by a whole 9 games in 2010! (projecting 79-83, 4th place), so we might almost be a .500 team at this point.
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| MFS62 Feb 03 2010 09:51 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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With the signing of Val Pascucci, the Buffalo Mets will have 7 players with 1B experience on their squad. Catalanotto may be ML bench or nothing but there still seems to be a AAA overload at 1B/OF. And that’s with Ike Davis and Lucas Duda pushing from behind at BNG.
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| Ceetar Feb 03 2010 09:56 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Is Evans really 3B-1B (OF)? One of the few benefits of Tatis is his 'versatility' but 2B/SS is irrelevant as we've got Cora, so if Evans can cover the others, I'd much rather see him..
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| Edgy DC Feb 03 2010 09:59 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The fact that they all have experience there is an asset to the Mets who might have a firstbase need. The fact that they all play elsewhere is a second asset that keeps it from being any sort of crunch.
He has 27 games of experience at third in the minors, 21 when he was 18. He's a firstbaseman/outfielder, and he's nobody's idea of a solution at the latter.
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| MFS62 Feb 03 2010 10:02 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Good points. Later
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| bmfc1 Feb 03 2010 10:32 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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They might be better if everyone is healthy but I don't think that, other than J-Bay, Omar has done a single thing to improve the team. The starters are the same, the catchers are the same, Castillo is still there, everything is the same except for the set-up guys but we don't know if they will be better.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 03 2010 10:34 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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So he did improve the team is what you're saying.
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| bmfc1 Feb 03 2010 10:38 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 03 2010 10:40 AM |
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You're baiting me, counselor. No, he didn't do squat. There are/were 2 players that could have helped the team that wanted to play for the Mets but he didn't sign them: Hudson and Marquis. Piniero was ready to sign but Omar crapped around. Getting 2 of those 3 would have constituted an improvement. Bay is a great addition but it's nullified by the Beltran injury . So my point still stands: Omar did not improve the Mets. The "5th starter" will be Nieve, Neise, Misch or Figueroa. Is that an improvement? At best, they are a .500 team.
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| metirish Feb 03 2010 10:39 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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They may well suck and they may well not be much better than last season but I just can't go into the season thinking that my team is done for already.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 03 2010 10:51 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Sorry, I knew I was being a dick when I hit submit. Yes, I think they'll be better, and I don't necessarily care whether the GM sees to that by adding guys or not adding guys. And I like Nieve and Niese.
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| bmfc1 Feb 03 2010 10:56 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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"Come on you Mets"
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| bmfc1 Feb 03 2010 10:59 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Thanks JCL. To fine-line it, and this is where I was going with my "snarky" message, I don't think that Omar has improved the team but that doesn't mean that they won't have a better record.
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| Edgy DC Feb 03 2010 11:30 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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You need the comma of direct address in there. Else you're committing the Critical Cosby Confusion. 
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| seawolf17 Feb 03 2010 12:23 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Hey, what Bill Cosby does in his personal time is his business.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 03 2010 12:31 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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As long as the "People" fully consent.
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| metirish Feb 03 2010 12:35 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Edgy is giddy after being allowed to keep his editor's cap.
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| metirish Feb 03 2010 02:13 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Heyman
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 09:59 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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You know, at what point do the Wilpons wake up and realize there is a difference between a smart big market team and making dumb big splashes (see 1990s Orioles, and Rangers for those examples along with past Met forays into big FA spending sprees). Say what you will about lazy journalists and self-loathing fans, but the patterns that form over the years do show that the Mets really do have a small market mentality when it comes to improving the team. Go for the gusto one year, uh-oh that was an epic fail alright lets do nothing the next off-season. Vicious cycle over and over again. Also, didn't the Mets promise that this off-season would be an aggressive one? From MetBlog back in October:
Funny how all those statements I put in bold did not come to fruition. It's going to be another frustrating, sub-.500 season, I really don't see where any optimism iis coming from, nor do I see why you'd say that it was "good" that the Mets didn't spend money, except for Bay but you can easily swap Delgado out and put him in, this year.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 10:07 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Yeah, I will say what I will.
They haven't done nothing.
Maybe, but dont' folks insist that they don't want the Wilpons running the club? Two or three holes. The team arguably filled two of them with signings and the offseason continues. Whatever. I hope they don't trade anybody.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 10:16 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Yeah, Jason Bay wasn't a signing done to shut up "Mets aren't signing anyone/No one wants to come here" peeps and to give a nice shiny thing to market and sell tickets. Where else do you think the Mets improved? Sarge Jr.? More "Proven Crap" for the bullpen corps? You're going to call THAT filling holes? 2nd base and catcher are still major question marks, Reyes' health and Wright's mental state are also major question marks as well. To say nothing about the fact that the rotation is Santana, three question marks and who knows what as well as another go-round of a bullpen corps cobbled together with hope and prayers as a bridge to Rodriguez. How does this team look like anything resembling an over-.500 squad?
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 10:18 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Of course THEY do, but folks insist they don't want (insert politician's name here) as their (insert office here), doesn't mean they can't continue to call them out when they make statements that turn out completely and utterly false.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 04 2010 10:19 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I think it was primarily done to get a slugging left fielder.
So what should they have done about that this winter? Get replacements for both players?
I'm with you on that. They needed to address their pitching and they haven't, and they don't appear like they're going to. They do look like around a .500 team to me.
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| metirish Feb 04 2010 10:22 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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What's wrong with Wright and mental issuses?
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 10:24 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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No, I was just listing all the problems facing the Mets in October, obviously there doesn't seem, well in Reyes' case anyway, to be any cause to do anything about those particular problems.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 04 2010 10:24 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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He thinks he's Marlene Dietrich. Sad, really.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 10:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Did you see Wright all year? The guy changed his swing heading into Citi Field and never got whatever it was that made him an MVP candidate back. Alright, its hyperbole, but the whole "messing with a swing" does sound more like a mental problem than messing with a pitcher's mechanics which could, and does, lead to actual physical issues.
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| MFS62 Feb 04 2010 10:35 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Nahhh. Marlene said she "vanted to be alone". David doesn't mind the cameras and reporters. I believe he thinks he's Kim Kardashian. Later
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 10:49 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Look, the point is that I really don't see how anyone can sit there and say that this off-season was a successful one, and that the Mets will be an improved team in 2010. The of-fseason has been an epic fail, and the Mets as presently constituted look like a team that will struggle to get to 70 wins, much less 81.
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| DocTee Feb 04 2010 11:01 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I, too, would have liked to see the Mets address their rotation, but it is what it is. 2009 was a perfect storm of injuries and bad play. A healthy team this year (with last year's roster) gets 80 wins...adding Bay and the other pieces should up that a few too.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 11:03 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Steve, I'm really not into indulging your sarcasm, but if you want to throw a hundred bucks on the line regarding the team exceeding (or not) .500, I'm all about that. Name your charity. There's no such thing, where I come, as successful offseasons. Games are still won on the field.
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| batmagadanleadoff Feb 04 2010 11:04 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I'm also a sport. I'll take the Mets winning more than 70 games. My favorite charity is me.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 11:14 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Deal. We'll work out the details when it becomes mathematically impossible.
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| Vince Coleman Firecracker Feb 04 2010 11:15 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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? I assume one of the holes filled (that's what she said) was left field. What other hole do you think the team had that was filled? My list of team holes (and by "hole" I mean area the team needed to improve by at least a win or so if it is going to take the division) going into the offseason looked like this: LF- filled SP C SP 2B RF 1B And, of course, the always-necessary bullpen additions (which, I add, I don't think Omar's getting enough credit for. The bullpen looks pretty strong and the additions didn't cost much.) What did/does your list look like? Not being snarky, Edge, just curious. Oh, and I suspect the Mets will win over 81 games, but I'm not so sure that'd I'd bet a hundred on it.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 11:20 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Of course, you have to add in the caveat that the roster remain for the most part unchanged. Orlando Hudson and a stud starter walk into the PSL clubhouse, or Citi Field in June, or something like that, changes the parameters of the bet.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 11:23 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Well, that's one way of definiing filling a hole, but many positions are likely going to improve by a half a win just by doing nothing (probably schort, left, center, an a slot or two in the rotation). Nothing, of course, has been actually "filled" until the wins are counted. But I consider the adding of Kelvim Excobar and Ryota Igarashi to have been a smart way to add depth to the bullpen.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 11:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Steve, you weasel.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 04 2010 11:30 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Boo, Rogers, you suck. You should give $100 to charity just for wasting our time with these convictions of yours you can't even stand behind.
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| Vince Coleman Firecracker Feb 04 2010 11:32 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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OK. Cool. The work Omar did for the bullpen and LF looks pretty good to me, too. And while I do think the team will get a half win better by doing nothing at some of the positions I listed (1B and the two SP slots seem like good candidates for that), I think they can easily be a half win (or more) worse at 2B, C and RF. For me, this offseason hasn't been a disaster at all, but I'd be lying if I said I'm not disappointed with how many useful free agents wound up on other teams so far.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 11:39 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Not saying that Hudson would be akin to a Mike Piazza, but you'd have to admit that reeling in a big fish as opposed to plugging in Proven Crap or making a sideways trade like Church for Francouer is a game changer when it comes to a season's outlook. Even if the season turns out as expected (1983). Alright fine then, forget the caveat. I don't expect Omar to do any game changing moves anyway, he hasn't proven that he can do that so far in his Met tenure.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 11:44 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Great, we have a bet. You get to spend the season rooting for the Mets to suck.
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| seawolf17 Feb 04 2010 11:45 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Unless they don't suck, in which case the bet is off.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 12:37 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Don't twist my words big guy. It's all about me finding it strange about how you have almost Fran Healy-esque KAHN-fidence in the Mets this season, as they are presently constituted. When 99% of Met fandom (this forum seems to be that 1%), the media and other team's fans are going the other way when it comes to this club
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 12:44 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Go against the flow sometimes. It's freeing.
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| Centerfield Feb 04 2010 12:59 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Other than the mathematical simplicity of it, I don't see why .500 is something worth betting on. I want a legitimate World Series contender. Whether they finish 3rd or 4th means little to me. I think for the Mets to be a post-season team, they are going to need a hell of a lot of luck.
This is just silly. Of course games are won on the field, but what is done in the offseason has a direct impact on the players taking that field. Successful offseasons don't result in wins. A successful offseason is one where the ballclub manages its resources by bringing in players that maximize their chances of success. I don't see that this has been done this winter. Hence the disappointment.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 01:13 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Yeah, you don't see it, but it's all just a matter of opininon. It's all abstractions until the games are played.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 01:22 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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BUT, they still had Keith Hernandez in the fold, they still had great blue chip prospects either on the 25 man roster (Strawberry) or about ready to be called up (Gooden) and the farm was far from as barren as it is today. There was no reason to be an Eeyore about the prospects for the 1984 Mets.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 01:24 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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You give me Ketih Hernandez, I'll give you David Wright, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, and Johan Santana.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 01:36 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Left his swing in the parking lot Needs to stay healthy and stop sulking and dancing too much Needs to stay healthy Needs to stay healthy and stop making excuses for pitching poorly.
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| G-Fafif Feb 04 2010 01:36 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Was that Pat Misch recast in the role of September callup Ron Darling last year?
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 04 2010 01:37 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Needs to shut up
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 01:41 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Steve what are you drinking right now?
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| metirish Feb 04 2010 01:42 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Steve's next podcast will be a riot .
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 01:43 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Not to mention, it seems like maybe its time everyone realized that these guys aren't the guys that we thought they were going to be after 2006. That they are not going to be the legends that it seemed they were hyped to be in 2007.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 01:48 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Which, true or not, isn't what we're talking about.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 01:57 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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It is relevant since you brought it up in comparative to the Mets having Keith Hernandez, who didn't lose any luster in 1983, on their 1984 roster.
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| Centerfield Feb 04 2010 01:59 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I think you are now arguing a different point. Or at least, I am understanding your point to be a different one. I think it's clear that a team's offseason will have a direct on the games to be played the next year. (How different is 1999 if the Mets don't re-sign Piazza and trade for Leiter?) But I agree with you that sometimes it's hard to tell whether an off-season has been successful or not until you see how the season plays out. Sometimes the off-season sucks, but the team is good anyway. This is true. But most of the time, they suck.
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| Valadius Feb 04 2010 02:00 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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May I ask why we think second base is such a pressing priority, and why so many people think Orlando Hudson has remained in a state of suspended animation since 2005?
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 02:06 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Steve, if you're going to dismiss the presence of Johan Santana with "Needs to stay healthy and stop making excuses for pitching poorly" while holding up Keith Hernandez as unblemished, if you're going to dismiss the presence of four guys aged 27, 27, 31, and 33 with 15 total All Star appearances as being somehow incomparable to one 30 year old with two, I don't know what to do. I honor you with logic and you cover me in shit.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 04 2010 02:08 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Rogers, you're a disgrace to yankee fans.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 02:10 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Because Luis Castillo stinks and the 2010 Orlando Hudson is a more superior player.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 04 2010 02:13 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Me, I think the biggest neglect of the winter has been the lack of a new starting pitcher.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 02:24 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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| attgig Feb 04 2010 02:42 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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just to throw a little fuel to the fire:
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| Centerfield Feb 04 2010 03:06 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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It's funny because I thought they needed another bat more than a pitcher. I don't know, something makes me think Fernando Nieve might be something. I think overall I feel better about Nieve, Niese and Figueroa than I do about Murphy, Davis and Franceour.
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| Valadius Feb 04 2010 03:22 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Orlando Hudson is only two years younger than Luis Castillo. He's 32. Not only that, but he's only marginally better than Castillo offensively. I'm of the opinion that there are more pressing priorities (namely catcher, first base, and pitching) than second base right now. Lest you forget, Luis Castillo finished fourth this year in Schaefer points. Now why would we give him so many Schaefer points if we all thought he was terrible?
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| Ashie62 Feb 04 2010 04:09 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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If 90 percent of making the Mets better is a return to health by many ..then Omar did the other 10 percent to fill er up.
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| duan Feb 04 2010 04:38 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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what's hilarious about the Keith Hernandez line is that at that time he was DOING LOTS OF THEM and while I don't particularly care about recreational drug use, it could hardly be considered *the best thing* for an athlete to be engaged in if you're depending (pun not intended) on him, the way Steve Rogers seems to think everyone was.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 04:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Seriously Val? You are basing Castillo's performance last year on a message board's PoTG voting? Another reason why he should have been jettisoned is that it would have been a sign that the Mets are committed to once again changing the culture of the clubhouse, which lets be honest really does need a good shake up. Ala what happened in heading into 2005 when Martinez and Beltran were brought in.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 04:50 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Fair enough duan, but was Keith's issues known by the public at large at the time or was that during the 1985 trials?
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| duan Feb 04 2010 04:52 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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em, I don't really care, you're suggesting that that 1983 team was in great shape because it had a coke addled 1st baseman who hadn't had a bad season. I'm saying a coke addled first baseman isn't the guy I'd like to be depending on.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 05:02 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Em, it goes towards the whole what the Cranepool of 1983 (probably just talk radio at that point) would be saying about feeling positive or negative towards the prospects of the 1984 Mets.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 05:05 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Hey, Steve, when was the last time you were in the Mets' clubhouse?
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| duan Feb 04 2010 05:12 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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seriously steve, you manage to mangle your own point SOOOOO badly that it just makes you seem silly.
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| DocTee Feb 04 2010 06:11 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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So the Mets should jettison Castillo not in the name of improving the club's performance but to make a statement? When will they learn!
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| Kong76 Feb 04 2010 06:16 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 04 2010 06:40 PM |
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Just read the last five pages ... wow.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 06:33 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Ray Knight and Kevin Mitchell were jettisoned in the same fashion, for the same reasons. Both those moves ended up helping the team in the short term, despite them being early signs of the Wilpon's desire to have a boring and uncaring ballclub.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 04 2010 06:37 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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What??? Ray Knight was a free agent, who the Mets chose not to resign because they rightly suspected that he had had his last good season. He wasn't a bad clubhouse guy. He provided a lot of the spark that made the 86ers what they were.
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| G-Fafif Feb 04 2010 06:39 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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With Knight and Mitchell, the Mets won a World Series. Without Knight and Mitchell, the Mets didn't win a World Series, not even in the short term. Their respective dismissals may have cleared space as starters for players packing what appeared to be greater upsides in HoJo/Magadan and McReynolds -- both of whom had some fine seasons as Mets -- but, literally speaking, those moves helped the Mets go from world champions in 1986 to not world champions thereafter...and, come to think of it, not since.
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 06:45 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Which is exactly why Freddie didn't want him around anymore and towards more safer players. You really think the Mets chose not to resign the reigning WS MVP because they figured that he was coming off his last good year in the bigs? They COULD have kept him, hell, even as a Rusty Staub role if it was clear that he was in decline. They didn't want him around to influence the clubhouse. Why they are letting the players influence the clubhouse today, I don't know, perhaps to prove that Omar has full control perhaps. Or maybe the clubhouse doesn't make as much noise as those 1986ers do.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 06:49 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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It's probably silly but this thread makes me more confident about the coming season.
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| Valadius Feb 04 2010 06:55 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Steve, by your logic, the Mets should jettison everybody with an ounce of personality or leadership. Last I checked, the human race had not yet invented baseball-playing robots.
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| seawolf17 Feb 04 2010 07:00 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Plus, Mitchell was traded for a guy coming off a season in which he was FOURTH in the NL in SLG, and heading into his prime. I know the Mets would have loved those 49 home runs in 1989, but I'd make that trade over and over.
Oh, and also... Jose Reyes' most similar players, according to B-R, through age 26: Jimmy Rollins, Alan Trammell, Garry Templeton, Ryne Sandberg, and Harvey Kuenn. David Wright's most similar players, according to B-R, through age 26: Scott Rolen, Duke Snider, and George Brett. Leave Reyes and Wright out of this. The only way this team doesn't hit .500 this year is if everyone gets hits by a bus AGAIN.
Oops. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32123100/ ... -baseball/
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 07:02 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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No, I was giving an example of a time when Fred Wilpon DID make a statement by changing up the clubhouse dynamic with the removal of a couple of guys perceived to be "bad seeds." Then it was totally unnecessary because they were coming off a Worlds Championship. Now it'd be necessary because in looking at how the Mets have played since 2007 and various comments they've said in the press there is something not right about the makeup of that clubhouse. Oh sure you can say that it's nothing winning won't fix, but they haven't won since the 2006 NLDS!
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| metirish Feb 04 2010 07:07 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Best thread ever......
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| SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 07:15 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I understand Big Mac Apologist, and I'd take what HoJo did over the course of the next 6 years or so (eh, except for the outfield experiment) over the entire career of Ray Knight, but the point was that Knight and Mitchell were personality guys that raised hell in the clubhouse while Mac made John Olerud seem like Rickey Henderson in the personality department!
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 07:16 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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But what about the reality that everything about your report is wrong? Everything!
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 04 2010 07:32 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 04 2010 07:35 PM |
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I leave work early, and suddenly we're talking "Keith was a cokehead/Keith was a savior/Rogers may have a drug problem."
Val, the reason hoping for an upgrade at the keystone specifically makes sense is that: A) Castillo's offensive value in 2009 is probably his vertical limit; Castillo's defensive value is probably about as good as it would be were he faster... and handless. There's room for improvement. B) With a slow market for veteran 2B, there are perceived bargains-- and a few of 'em-- to be found there. Even Adam Kennedy would be a net improvement (though Felipe Lopez and older Orlando Hudson would probably be bigger pluses). C) There aren't the same bargains available without much greater risk-- Bedard or Branyan, e.g.-- at other need positions. And I'll agree with SJR on the Schaefer point point (in a year where Danny Murphy is in Schaefer-medal position for merely showing up, all bets are off there). On everything else... yeesh. I'll put up a hundy on .500-plus if somebody will take the other side.
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| batmagadanleadoff Feb 04 2010 07:33 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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In the final analysis, the Mets made the right move by not re-signing Ray Knight after their championship season. Knight sucked the rest of the way and retired two years later, after the 1988 season. Nineteen eighty-six turned out to be Knight's last effective season. Hojo's first season as an everyday player and Knight's replacement was an excellent one: 1987 was Hojo's first of three 30-30's. That Davey Johnson's Mets never returned to the WS had nothing to do with the team's unwillingness to retain Knight or to replace him with Hojo.
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| metirish Feb 04 2010 07:37 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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This thread is far from final , it has at least five pages to go with Steve toeing the rubber.
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| Nymr83 Feb 04 2010 07:44 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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too much to respond to in this thread alone today so i'll make a few scattered points...
2004: 71-91, 2005: 83-79 2009: 70-92, 2010:?? "clubhouse culture" is code for "wins on the field" and the only "shaking up" it needs is winning more ball games, which takes baseball talent not charisma. -to whoever said the Mets have a "small market mentality", find me a small market team that signed Pedro Martinez, Tom Glavine, Carlos Beltran, Johan Santana, Jason Bay etc. -Steve lets have a reality check here about winning only 70 games again. even if the mets had brought back the same exact roster, they shouldnt be expected to suffer the same freakish avalanche of injuries again. the top 10 Mets in plate appearences last year: Wright, Castillo, Muprhy, Tatis, Pagan, Beltran, Sheffield, Francoeur, Cora, Santos. the top 3 had 500+ and the next guy had 379. to use the phillies for quick comparison they had 7 guys top 500. so give 500+ this year to Wright, Bay, Beltran (barely), Castillo, Reyes, and whichever two you think will be the best out of Pagan/Francoeur/Murphy and see who wins the division. the phillies had 6 guys get to the plate more often than David Wright, our "leader" at 618.
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| seawolf17 Feb 04 2010 07:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I'm down with an upgrade, but Luis Castillo is making SIX MILLION DOLLARS this year. I know it's play money to us, but it's not. We can't realistically expect Fred to just eat that money. I'd bet they took a look to see what they could get, and couldn't find anything reasonable. So Luis it is; sure, there are better second basemen out there, but I think we're stuck with him. And nymr's last point is my point as well.
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| Frayed Knot Feb 04 2010 07:54 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I have to stop reading this ... I'm losing brain cells by the minute.
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| batmagadanleadoff Feb 04 2010 07:57 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I'd love to see Fred literally eat six million dollars. One penny at a time.
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| Edgy DC Feb 04 2010 07:57 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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And also, there's some unstated issue with Orlando Hudson. He was an All Star at mid year, but absolutely buried by Joe Torre behind a fat guy when the post season came around. He was given four at-bats over the course of two playoff series. Then he decares free agency and nobody wants him? What gives?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 04 2010 08:03 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Two words: sunk cost. To a team with the revenue streams and current budget situation* that the Mets have, 6 million should be chump change. A team that was willing to offer 5 million to Molina or 15-16 million (over 2 years!) to Pineiro but isn't willing to do 3-5 million for a virtual sure-shot upgrade... FOR A ONE YEAR COMMITMENT, no less... well, that team is either kinda FOS, or its player-evaluation system is brokedown. That said, I think the Mets FO is with you... if they weren't, they probably would have signed Hudson by now.
PSST! I think I have the answer. Said fat guy hit absurdly, unsustainably well (.351/.398/.636) for the month he was with the Doyers. Torre thought his lottery ticket would keep paying out into the playoffs. (As a people-manager, Torre's admirable. As a field-manager, Torre's a great people-manager.) * As it stands, significantly under last year's budget. I think I walked through this earlier. (Maybe in this** thread?) **OE: Nope. Top 10 Remaining Free Agents.
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| batmagadanleadoff Feb 04 2010 08:39 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I. Totally. Agree. If the Mets keep Castillo, it should only be because management believes that he'll be effective, and to hell with his his guaranteed money.
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| Rockin' Doc Feb 04 2010 09:29 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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After reading through today's mayhem in this thread, I need to go lie down now. I admire Steve's persistence and spunk, but man can he talk in circles until my head feels like a drunk on a never ending Tilt-a-Whirl.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 04 2010 11:21 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Hudson to the Twins, 1 year/5 million.
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| Nymr83 Feb 04 2010 11:23 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 04 2010 11:26 PM |
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yes, castillo is a sunk cost, but so is every other contract you've signed (except to the extent that you can trade a guy and not eat the contract, but i'd think if the mets could have done that at any point over the last two years it would be done already.) Hudson represents an additional cost, one the Mets may not feel worth taking on considering he is only marginally better offensively than the guy who got on base 39% of the time last year. maybe the Mets dont buy that there is a large, gaping defensive difference between them. maybe they know something we dont (like why Hudson settled for peanuts last year and is likely to again this year relative to his numbers)
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 04 2010 11:24 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 05 2010 03:46 PM |
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I hope that the Mets know something that virtually every impartial observer and/or relevant statistical measure of defense doesn't know, because their decisions and public statements run counter to virtually every example of both. (Also, point-of-fact: Hudson's base salary was 3.0 million... but with a heavy PA and games-played-based incentive package. He earned about 8 million last year.)
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| Ashie62 Feb 05 2010 03:18 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Come to Beavis
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| Fman99 Feb 05 2010 03:28 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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She can check into the Hotel Del MyFace.
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| Valadius Feb 05 2010 03:44 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Jarrod Washburn is talking retirement if he doesn't get an offer he likes.
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| Edgy DC Feb 05 2010 04:56 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I think Fman may invite him to check in to the other Hotel down the block from his face.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 08 2010 11:19 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Apparently, a minor-league offer from the Mets (as well as one from the O's) fails to make Japanese lefty Hisanori Takahashi happy-in-pants.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 08 2010 11:38 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Only these lonely can't play.
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| smg58 Feb 08 2010 12:02 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I can't believe Branyan and Lopez are still available. Calero, too -- FA relievers have done nicely this offseason, and you can argue that he had the best year of all of them. I'd ask the Marlins what in addition to Murphy would get us Nolasco (I'm assuming Josh Johnson is out of the question), and I'd ask the Cubs if Ollie, Castillo, and Parnell plus taking on all of Zambrano's contract (basically 2012 at $18M, plus an option) would be enough. If I could get assurance Chien-Ming would be ready by June, I'd sign him now and sit tight. (I tried multiple variations of that sentence using the word Wang, and each one was more embarrassing than the previous.)
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| seawolf17 Feb 08 2010 12:08 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Quick! Let's buy an expansion team and sign all those guys! That's not a bad squad.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 08 2010 12:32 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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It's like a really plush expansion team, it is.
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| Vic Sage Feb 08 2010 01:29 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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[u:1ho6dj95]SP[/u:1ho6dj95]
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 08 2010 01:38 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Yes, but it's got a great f*cking bench-- Dye, Blalock and Baldelli as PH threats, and Molina/Baldelli as defensive replacements-- and I have a feeling that an aggressive, smart manager (with, say, a predilection for fake mustaches and/or bad stoner impressions) could squeeze 80 wins out of it.
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| smg58 Feb 08 2010 02:03 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Marcus Thames to the Yankees on a minor-league deal. Brian Giles to the Dodgers, also on a minor-league deal.
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| Valadius Feb 08 2010 02:10 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The White Sox have unretired Luis Aparicio's #11 for the 2010 season, as Omar Vizquel has obtained Aparicio's blessing to wear it.
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| Ashie62 Feb 08 2010 02:52 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Why can't Hank Blalock get a bite. I know he hit .234 and struck out very much, but 25 HR and only 28 years old. Played 1B last season, but has been used around the infield.
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| Gwreck Feb 08 2010 11:18 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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We couldn't sign one of these guys for the bench? (Ok, Giles probably wanted to stay on the West Coast). But still -- our outfield bench is...Gary Matthews, Jr., Fernando Tais and Nick Evans?
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| Rockin' Doc Feb 09 2010 06:07 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Omar has had no time to waste on role playing bench help. He's been far too busy landing a front line starter for the rotation.
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| Edgy DC Feb 09 2010 06:23 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Chris Carter, Fernando Martinez, Angel Pagan (after Beltran returns), and possibly Mike Hessman. These ain't bums either.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 09 2010 09:46 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Sherman suggests some moves to "salvage the offseason," including Mr. Lopez. Can't say I disagree with most of the thinking here, but of more interest...
Um... if this isn't a massive distortion of the talks about Snyder, there might be a reason why Castillo hasn't moved.
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| Valadius Feb 09 2010 10:43 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Yeah, because all of Fred's money ended up in Bernie's caviar.
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| Vic Sage Feb 09 2010 11:17 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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i agree with all the moves Sherman suggests, and have suggested most of them myself (as have many of us here). These aren't likely to be expensive moves, and would likely put us around last year's budget (at least it would if they hadn't thrown bad money around to backups Cora and GMJ). That they're budget-cutting, after just opening a new stadium and creating their own network, can only be attributed to either losses in their other businesses (i.e., Madoff) or because they think we won't notice, or they're just huge cock-sucking assholes intent on driving fans over a cliff.
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| smg58 Feb 09 2010 11:40 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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If money was so tight, they could have made a lower offer to Bay (nobody was competing with us) or settled for Damon at one year and $6M or so and spread the rest of the money around; non-tendered Francoeur and either brought him back for less than half that much or gone for any of the other cheap outfield options; tried to move K-Rod while closers were the only position with a sellers' market; and refrained from signing Cora for $2M when, given the current market for past-their-prime veterans, he'd most likely still be available now.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 09 2010 12:23 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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As per Scott Boras and the Detroit Free P, Johnny Damon has always been a big Red Wings fan.
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| metirish Feb 09 2010 12:25 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Something else that Boras
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 10 2010 09:38 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I don't see any report of an interview where Johnny professes his love of Chick-Fil-A and fandom-since-childhood of Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, but he seems to have finagled a one-year offer from Atlanta, as per the AP, with terms unspecified.
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| duan Feb 11 2010 04:45 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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jesus christ, that octopus thing is only half a step removed from sacrificing a chicken.
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| MFS62 Feb 11 2010 09:47 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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That reminds me. I wonder if Pedro Cerrano is available as a free agent? Later
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| MFS62 Feb 11 2010 09:55 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Here's some long distance optimism from my pal, the German Mets fan.
Later
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| HahnSolo Feb 11 2010 10:02 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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From the Sherman article in his argument for Branyan. Wow. I am not sure I really want Branyan, but wow.
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| Edgy DC Feb 11 2010 10:13 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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It's not like they displayed that much righthanded power either.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 11 2010 10:23 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Well, yes. But the lefties' performance last year places them somewhere between Joey (30 HR career in 3734 ABs) and Alex (35 HR in 3076 ABs) on the Cora scale.
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| batmagadanleadoff Feb 11 2010 10:24 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I think that there's a good amount of truth in your friend's optimistic analysis. For all of the inconsistency issues concerning the Mets starting rotation, the staff was good enough to win the division during the two "collapse" seasons, mainly because the Mets offense was excellent. The middle of the lineup was a juggernaut that might've been the best in all of baseball in 2007 and 2008. When Jerry Manuel replaced Wee Willie Small Balls, the kiddie brakes were removed from the offense and the 2008 Mets responded by posting the best record in the NL -- post Willie. If Wilie's Kids had won as frequently as Jerry's Gangsta's did in 2008, the Mets would have won the division easily and with enough days of rest to set their rotation to optimal advantage for the playoffs. The offense was good enough to overcome not only a decent though unspectacular rotation (one Cy Young caliber pitcher and four question-marks of varying degree), but one of the worst bullpens in modern baseball history. One new problem going forward in 2010 is that a moderate upgrade to the starting rotation might not be enough to overcome the potential question marks that now mar the Mets offense what with Reyes' and Beltran's injuries and Wright's strange and powerless 2009 season.
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| Edgy DC Feb 11 2010 10:33 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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No, they were worse lefthanded, power-wise. No doubt. But when Betltran and Delgado (and Reyes, too, though he wasn't hitting for much power when healthy) go down for most of the season, and the homer totals are reminscent of the Torre era, thems numbers don't surprise me is all. There's a lot of room for improvement there, but I'll take improved performance from any side of the plate, and if they jack up their homer totals, I don't care where they come from.
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| metirish Feb 11 2010 10:36 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Not that I don't appreciate the brilliant analysis on display here daily but I don't think a Mets roster with Spring Training a week away has been dissected and poured over as much as this one , or maybe I should say dissected and poured over for who's not on the roster.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 11 2010 12:50 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Point taken, Irish. Getting antsy here, too. Promise... no more rumor-monge--
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| Edgy DC Feb 11 2010 05:07 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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It's a tough call, ain't it? If he can't realistically be expected to be ready until Beltran is ready, then he has less value. I guess at that point, when Matthews becomes a fifth outfielder and isn't performing, he can come up (or down) from Buffalo to displace him. He can also work as a defensive sub for any of the lugs who may displace Francoeur during the season. But I expect, if French loses PT to somebody who hits more consistently, he'd still be a defensive sub out there, unless he's dealt.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 13 2010 09:49 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Not that it changes anything from a Metly perspective, but... well... wherever Felipe Lopez ends up signing, it probably won't be broken by Jon Heyman.
Like I says, it doesn't change anything, and I've been fighting the he-should've-signed-here compulsion so common to our kind. But if he signs for 3M in, say, St. Louis... I'll have to fight a lot harder.
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| metsguyinmichigan Feb 13 2010 10:09 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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"Not that it changes anything from a Metly perspective, but... well... wherever Felipe Lopez ends up signing, it probably won't be broken by Jon Heyman.
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| Edgy DC Feb 19 2010 02:19 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Blue Jays reportedly sign Jose Molina. Indians reportedly sign Russ Branyan.
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| metirish Feb 19 2010 02:22 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 19 2010 02:27 PM |
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FU Omar....I am sooooooooo pissed that he didn't even make an offer for these two fine men. It's outrageous the crap I as a Mets fan must endure......they'll be all laughing at us over this.
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| Benjamin Grimm Feb 19 2010 02:25 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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People are laughing at Mets fans because the Indians reportedly signed Russ Branyan?
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| metirish Feb 19 2010 02:28 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Having a bit of fun is all.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 26 2010 10:04 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I mean, it's no surprise, but yecch, it still stinks like month-old lox. At least I can stop wondering, "Maybe." (A reminder: that's 250K less than the Mets are paying Alex Cora to do the same job less productively.)
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| Gwreck Feb 27 2010 01:02 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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When was the last time the Mets had a good bench? 2006?
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| Ashie62 Feb 27 2010 09:37 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Probably at a bar
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 28 2010 12:06 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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"Other day, Bro-ses Malone-- like, 500 pound puppies. Hey, can you spot me, by the way? Frenchy's busy gettin' LASIK." 
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| Ashie62 Feb 28 2010 11:38 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Please tell me this Canadian Dr. didn't spin Reye's blood with HGH...They don't test for that anyway right?
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| MFS62 Mar 01 2010 08:17 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Read some good news/ bad news in the Daily Snooze this weekend.
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| Valadius Mar 02 2010 12:50 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Diamondbacks giving Justin Upton a 6-year, $50 million extension.
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| Frayed Knot Mar 04 2010 01:12 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Garret Anderson: LA Dodger
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| Edgy DC Mar 05 2010 01:06 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Probably nothing, but...
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 05 2010 01:24 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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They've got, like 7-8 MLish guys in camp already.
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| Edgy DC Mar 05 2010 01:55 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Sheesh, does every team have a beat guy named Jon _ayman?
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| MFS62 Mar 09 2010 08:19 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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ESPN radio (Mike and Mike) said that the Twins' closer, Joe Nathan has a labrium tear that may require season-ending surgery. This was later confirmed by Buster Olney.
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| metirish Mar 09 2010 08:21 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The Mets may have made out with the Twins in getting Santana, I don't see that happening again.
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| TransMonk Mar 11 2010 12:45 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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On the coldest of burners...
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| Valadius Mar 21 2010 04:20 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The Twins signed Joe Mauer to an 8-year, $184 million extension.
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| Ashie62 Mar 21 2010 06:20 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Nice to say the Twins new stadium probably prevented Mauer from exploring all of his options.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 21 2010 06:28 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Excellent. The Daily News on Sunday was speculating about how he was likely the successor to Posada. Glad that's been nipped in the bud.
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| seawolf17 Mar 21 2010 06:42 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Well, let's not be too hasty. Says here that they're asking him to waive the no-trade clause in December 2014 so they can trade him to the Yankees.
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| MFS62 Mar 22 2010 09:53 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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There have been many years in the past when I have anxiously scanned the daily ST transaction reports, looking for a player cut by another team, who might help the Mets.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 22 2010 12:56 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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And yet, they'll carry five-- FIVE-- catchers on the 40-man. Just in case. No other major-league team carries more than four. Most have two or three.
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| Ceetar Mar 22 2010 01:02 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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You really think they're going to keep Santos around?
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| Edgy DC Mar 22 2010 02:10 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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And the last several years, that's what they've done. Why is this now the issue? Do you really think timidity about putting Chris Coste through waivers is going to keep them from calling up some crappy reliever in June?
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| Ashie62 Mar 22 2010 04:34 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Santos can come and live with me
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| Nymr83 Mar 22 2010 05:25 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Given your past expressions of affection for him, I think Omir will pass on that offer in order to keep his asshole at its present level of tightness.
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| Ashie62 Mar 22 2010 06:05 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I am not Baseball Ashie. That was pretty funny
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 22 2010 06:40 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Just because I'm writing it now doesn't mean it's just now become an issue (or that it's the issue). It's merely a minor, persistent one, which speaks to the troubles this FO has had using roster space in the most efficient manner possible... as well as increasing the likelihood that when the Mets make moves to fill urgent major-league roster holes in other areas, they'll need to make a quick decision under duress to clear the space. The organization hasn't proven terribly good since 2006 at making such decisions (see last year's loss of O'Day).
You're not talking with your finger and forging psychic links with Scatman Crothers, are you?
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| Edgy DC Mar 22 2010 09:01 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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But it hasn't been an issue. As far as I can tell, they've never before done this --- certainly not for any real length of time. They typically carry two catchers on their big league roster, forcing them to add a somebody when they have to replace an injured receiver. And in fact, it was having to add Omir Santos from the roster the day before that was at least partly responsible for them having to expose O'Day to waivers. It certainly isn't remotely true that a surfeit of catchers got him DFA'd.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 22 2010 10:16 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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My criticism wasn't catcher-numbers-focused, really. (And IIRC, O'Day was lost in the roster-move-shell game surrounding the Mets' not wanting Pelfrey to miss more than one start.) My point-- an admittedly thin and not altogether original one-- is that the org has tended to manage both the 40-man and the major-league roster in ways that don't exactly optimize the value of their resources (as epitomized by the pointless non-DLing that resulted in O'Day's loss*), so any apparent oddity/inefficiency is more likely to be hurtful than helpful the longer it exists.
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| Edgy DC Mar 23 2010 06:26 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Maybe, but until then, the extra catchers is something that's just there, is a little different, and was was created by the Mets, so we shouldn't trust it. That seems just too miserable a way to approach the team.
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 23 2010 06:54 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Thinking everything they do is wrong is just as bad as thinking that everything they do is right.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 23 2010 08:00 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I'm not quite there, guys... but to my mind, they've lost the benefit of the doubt regarding moves/conditions on the far side of "questionable," especially regarding roster management/potential roster losses (see: Jesus Flores, Darren O'Day). If nobody else in major league baseball is making/contemplating Move X* but this team, and, after staring at it for a while, there seems no apparent reason to do it... then, yes, with this particular FO, I'm very wary, and I'm waiting anxiously for the other shoe to drop.
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| attgig Mar 23 2010 08:09 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Joe Beimel signs a minor league deal with rox, because mets were sending mixed signals to his agent.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 23 2010 08:13 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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That'll show the Mets to treat average lefty bullpen fodder with respect.
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| Edgy DC Mar 24 2010 08:17 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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But there are a half dozen reasons to do it, and so far one (Anderson Hernandez) reason not to. Until they lose a more valuable piece protecting a less valuable piece, it's doable. If assuming every time they zag when everyone else is zigging makes them by definition wrong, what is there to root for? That shit makes baseball fun and exciting. Joe Beimel's face sends some serious mixed signals. 
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| Benjamin Grimm Mar 24 2010 08:30 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Are you sure that's not Joe Piscopo?
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 24 2010 10:14 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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They've been wrong and/or dishonest so often during the last few years, I'm thinking of voting for them. (WOCKA!) See also my persistent, growing heartburn over the past few years. I feel a little like, with this regime, I'm trapped in a bad marriage. (Divorce, of course, not really being an option.)
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| Edgy DC Mar 25 2010 05:22 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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You're in the right place, I assure you.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 25 2010 08:50 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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For your consideration: The ML Out of Options List.
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| Edgy DC Mar 31 2010 11:39 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Jamie Moyer beats out Kyle Kendrick for the number five starter on the Phils.
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| TransMonk Mar 31 2010 12:46 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 31 2010 12:50 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Two very good seasons-- or one monstrous one-- away from 300.
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| TransMonk Mar 31 2010 12:57 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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I can't see him ever getting to 300...even if he played until age 50.
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| Frayed Knot Mar 31 2010 01:14 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The amazing thing about Moyer isn't that he's active with 258 wins and a remote shot at 300, it's that he has 258 wins with remote shot at 300 after having entered his 30s with a whopping 34.
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| seawolf17 Mar 31 2010 05:19 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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He's one of the only Met killers who I really don't have a whole lot of hate for. The guy has KILLED us through the years. Killed us, over and over, going back to when Gary Matthews the elder was a teammate and George Foster was in our lineup. Maybe it's just because he -- and Chris Chelios, for that matter -- give me hope that my professional sports career isn't over yet. But I don't have the venom I have for the Chippers and Von Hayeses of the baseball world.
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| Edgy DC Mar 31 2010 07:29 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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He's 9-5 3.70 ERA in 186 innings against the Mets.
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| seawolf17 Apr 01 2010 04:58 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Yeah, but that's the Orioles. Even I'm 4-1, 3.15 against the Orioles.
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| metirish Apr 01 2010 07:08 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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The Foreign Press nominates you for a BOC , this is for April people in charge.
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| Edgy DC Apr 01 2010 07:28 AM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Well, I'm glad they got to somebody.
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| TransMonk Apr 08 2010 01:27 PM Re: Hot Stove 2009-2010 |
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Brewers' Opening Day loser gets long term deal. (He's prolly worth it.)
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