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The Amazin' Meche

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 07 2009 07:32 AM

I always kind of liked Gil Meche, used to be a good strikeout pitcher and always seemed to give the MFYs a hard time, I know he had only a so-so year last year.

Joel Sherman speculates that Meche could go to the Mets in a deal involving Castillo.

metirish
Dec 07 2009 07:33 AM
Re: The Amazin' Meche

I'd jump through wire meche to make that deal happen.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 07 2009 07:39 AM
Re: The Amazin' Meche

Looking at the numbers, maybe my message should replace so-so with "shit" and "good strikeout pitcher" with "not bad strikeouit pitcher"

He also issues more walks than I thought.

Hmmm

smg58
Dec 07 2009 08:49 AM
Re: The Amazin' Meche

I'd need a reason to believe he's over his various ailments from last season. Last year I took it for granted that the Mets wouldn't trade all those players for Putz if his health was still a major concern. I'd also be very suspicious if the Royals thought dealing Meche for Castillo was good for them. They've made some pretty dumb moves, granted, but that would just be bizarre if Meche were fine.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 07 2009 08:51 AM
Re: The Amazin' Meche

Well, Kansas City has its Rea$on$. 24 million over 2 years in fact.

I have no clue as to Meche's health.

I don;t think the Mets particularly gave a rat's ass over Putz's health last year inasmuch their objective to making that trade was to scapegoat Heilman and create the illusion that all their bullpen troubles were over.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 08 2009 12:36 AM
Re: The Amazin' Meche

From Joe Posnanski (I've been spending a bit too much time over on the blog recently) in July. If this and Joe's other diatribes about the Royals medical staff are at all accurate-- they've done criminal, Reyes-reminiscent things with Alex Gordon over the last two years-- Meche will feel very much at home here.

A postscript: After the events JP describes below, Meche started twice more on regular rest, throwing 114 pitches in a no-decsion, before being shut down for a month with back/arm issues. He came back, started four more times ineffectually, and was shut down for the year.


All of which takes us back (finally) to Wednesday. Gil Meche was pitching, and you may or may not know that Meche has been battling with a balky back and a dead arm this year. Even so, he has made 17 starts — he leads the American League in starts — because he has become what baseball people like to call a warrior.

Unfortunately, the warrior had been terrible his previous two outings — terrible, in fact, ever since Trey Hillman left him in to throw 132 pitches in a shutout against Arizona. I want to make clear here that this is NOT about pitch counts. Bill James and I wrote some about pitch counts already, and we both said that we are skeptical about the way teams use pitch counts now and we’re open to Nolan Ryan’s plan to extend pitchers. You could argue — pretty persuasively, I imagine — that having a pitcher who has been dealing with a stiff back throw 132 pitch might not be the wisest move ever. But hey, Meche is a grown-up, he insisted on staying in there, he finished the job, I would not second guess it.

BUT then that familiar pattern emerged one more time. Meche struggled badly his next start. And he struggled badly again his next time out. His velocity was down. He felt lousy on the mound. The Royals said he had a bit of “dead arm,” which I’m pretty sure is not a modern medical term. To be blunt, that sounds like something John McGraw would have said. You had to wonder if the Royals planned to treat the “dead arm” with leeches and by drowning a witch.

But OK, hey, dead arm, and Meche (who also downplayed things — guy’s a WARRIOR) said that maybe there was a little “built up tendinitis” and some “fatigue.” He decided to take a couple of days off — not even pick up a baseball. Sounded like a wise thing to do. At first, there was some doubt if he would even make his Wednesday start, and frankly I have NO IDEA why the Royals would even let him make his Wednesday start. Skip a start, make sure he’s OK, I mean it’s not like the Royals are in the heat of a pennant race here.

But OK, Meche said he felt good after his two days off. And as Hillman said: “He’ll know with his experience.” Meche said he wanted to go Wednesday … OK, let him go. “No reservations,” Trey Hillman said. Pitching coach Bob McClure, a sensible soul, was a bit more cautious.

“I would say we’ll probably monitor how many pitches we’re going to let him throw,” McClure said.

Well, sure. Of course. I mean, you wouldn’t let a guy with a dead arm and bad back throw a lot of pitches. That’s OBVIOUS, no? Meche went out and, good to see, his stuff looked pretty good. He was throwing in the low-to-mid 90s again. His curveball looked pretty sharp. He did walk five guys in five innings, and he did labor, and he did throw 99 pitches in those five innings which I think is probably a few more than you would want him to throw. But hey, he only allowed one earned run and the Royals were in the game and Meche seemed to be back on track … Mission accomplished.

Only then … Gil Meche walked out the mound to start the sixth inning.

I wanted to rub my eyes, you know, the way they do in the movies when they see a ghost or really beautiful woman. I looked back at my computer — yep, he’d thrown 99 pitches. I retraced my steps: Yes, Meche did say he had a dead arm, yes there was some stiff back issues, yes everyone said the Royals were going to be cautious, yes, check … and then I looked back on the screen and there was Meche, or at least some guy with Meche’s name on his jersey, on the mound. What? Gil Meche has two-and-a-half years left on his $55 million contract. Gil Meche was the Royals opening day starter. Gil Meche is absolutely one of the critical players if the Royals are EVER going to dig out of this hole …

It couldn’t be. Nobody would send Gil Meche out there. Nobody would do that. Nobody would do that. Nobody would do …

On the second pitch of the inning (101st pitch overall) Carlos Gomez cracked a vicious double down the left-field line. Well, in a way, that was good. Carlos Gomez does not hit many vicious doubles … surely now Hillman would come and take Meche out and end this preposterous …

No. Meche stayed out there. He struck out Nick Punto*. He got Denard Span to fly out on the first pitch of an at-bat (yay Denard!). So Meche had 105 pitches and might get out of this without it being a total disaster.

No sir. Matt Tolbert then worked Meche for an eight-pitch at-bat which led to a walk. Meche was now up to 113 pitches with two of the best lefty hitters in the American League — Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau — coming up. Well, yes, that was a disaster, but at least now Meche would get taken out of the game and …

No. Meche stayed in to face Joe Mauer. It leads to one of the great questions of philosophy: At what point does idiotic become criminal? Jamie Quirk, who was color commentator on television, talked about how Meche wanted to stay out there. Well OF COURSE Meche wanted to stay out there, but that’s why you have a MANAGER, someone who MANAGES to walk out to the mound and say, “Great effort Gil, but you know, I had to be insane to let you pitch the sixth inning in the first place, I have to get you out of here now.”

But Meche stayed out there. He got ahead of Mauer 0-2, then threw a ball, then Mauer singled, scoring a run. Meche was up to 117 pitches now. Hillman finally went to the mound. We had driven past the lunacy exit about four miles back … we were now in lawsuit territory. Could there be any explanation — ANY explanation — for pitching your wounded Opening Day starter 117 pitches?

Wait for it.

No, wait for it.

Hillman walked back to the dugout and left Meche in the game to face Morneau.

I don’t know. Maybe at some point, when you’re SO FAR down the wrong road, you just go: “What the hell, might as well keep going and hope we run into something good.” Maybe it would have been more damaging to have Meche throw 117 pitches and then pull him before the inning was done. I don’t know. I really don’t know. We are in such la-la land here, there can be no logical questions … these are like “How would you wash a unicorn?” questions. I do know that Meche threw four more pitches and did get Morneau to fly out to right.

And the final tally: Gil Meche, who four days earlier was not sure he was going to start, who three days earlier was going to be watched closely, who one day earlier was talking about how he hoped he had his velocity back … threw 121 pitches. The explanation afterward seemed to be that Meche wanted to … and his stuff was good. Or something.

And look: Meche may be fine. As my friend Bob Dutton likes to say when he sees something that seems beyond any and all logic — “Well, hey, it COULD work.” Covering the Royals for years will do that to a man.

The weirdest part of all might have been a camera shot of Hillman sitting next to trainer Nick Swartz in the dugout while Meche was on the mound. They were not talking … they were both looking out at the field, manager and trainer, side by side in concentration. I could not help but wonder what they were looking at.

Were they looking out there and thinking, “Hmm, you know, it might not be the world’s best idea to let this guy throw 121 pitches?”

Were they thinking, “Hmm, hey, you know, someone might want to actually count this guy’s pitches so we could know how many he has thrown?”

Were they thinking, “Boy, I hope this works and doctors don’t find out tomorrow that Gil has a serious injury because that would mean both our butts?”

Were they thinking … at all?