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Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 09:04 AM

OK, here we go. These eight are the survivors of the Stengel Group and the Payson Group. There's some consensus (but not overwhelming) that these are all worthy folk, though you may well think that one or more of these folks are unworthy. What I'm asking in this final group is for you to rank these eight (or fewer, if you so feel) in the order order you'd like to see them enshrined. Frank Cashen Dwight Gooden Jane Jarvis Davey Johnson Mike Piazza Darryl Strawberry Bobby Valentine Rube Walker

metirish Dec 11 2009 09:07 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Piazza Gooden Strawberry Johnson Cashen Valentine Walker Jarvis

Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 09:09 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

As for me: 1) Jane Jarvis 2) Frank Cashen 3) Davey Johnson 4) Rube Walker 5) Darryl Strawberry 6) Dwight Gooden 7) Bobby Valentine 8) Mike Piazza I think the first four would make a great class to begin catching up with the Hall's neglect, with two guys intimately linked and representing the triumph of the early Wilpon/Doubleday years, and two figure representing the richness of the culture that Fred and Nelson inherited. Enshrine Gooden and Strawberry in year two --- also intimately linked --- and then we're caught up and we can go back to doing these guys one at a time, considered exclusively on their own merits, except in cases where their legacies are linked. Wilpon and Doubleday would maybe even be my third class.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2009 09:10 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Frank Cashen Davey Johnson Rube Walker Dwight Gooden Darryl Strawberry Bobby Valentine Mike Piazza Jane Jarvis

Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 09:11 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[quote="metirish":1ilhooqm]Piazza Gooden Strawberry Johnson Cashen Valentine Walker Jarvis[/quote:1ilhooqm] If you believe Ms. Jarvis belongs in at all --- and I certainly acknowledge that she may not --- then you've got to get behind enshrining her quickly, while her heart still beats. You too, Ben.

G-Fafif Dec 11 2009 09:12 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

1. Darryl Strawberry 2. Dwight Gooden 3. Davey Johnson 4. Frank Cashen 5. Rube Walker 6. Jane Jarvis 7. Mike Piazza 8. Bobby Valentine Ideally, the first six would go in in 2010; let Rube and Jane ride the coattails of the attention that would be given Darryl and Doc. A few outsized classes are in order to make up for the lack of action since 2002.

Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 09:16 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

While I agree in spirit, I worry that six is too many. Not enough attention to go around, maybe. That's why I ask the middle-aged Doc and Darryl to wait a year, and hope Johnson and Cashen can anchor the publicity machine.

G-Fafif Dec 11 2009 09:17 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[quote="Edgy DC":p01atvir]If you believe Ms. Jarvis belongs in at all --- and I certainly acknowledge that she may not --- then you've got to get behind enshrining her quickly, while her heart still beats. You too, Ben.[/quote:p01atvir] I don't necessarily disagree with that assessment, but can you let a few more people vote before bending them to your will?

Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 09:21 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

I don't mean to bend. I mean to avoid work. I'm a mess.

G-Fafif Dec 11 2009 09:21 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[quote="Edgy DC":3v7j4sok]While I agree in spirit, I worry that six is too many. Not enough attention to go around, maybe. That's why I ask the middle-aged Doc and Darryl to wait a year, and hope Johnson and Cashen can anchor the publicity machine.[/quote:3v7j4sok] I think this thing has to come back with a splash. Lots of worthy candidates, but only a handful capable of generating a genuine buzz. If they'd been doing inductions for years, Davey would be enough of an attraction. I don't think he is gatewise at this moment (I can just hear Dave Howard bemoan, "we tried it and only sold 38,000 tickets, it's not worth it.") And, let's face it: based on their track records, Doc or Darryl are not sure things to outlast Jane and Frank.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 11 2009 09:54 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Darryl Strawberry Dwight Gooden Mike Piazza Rube Walker Frank Cashen Davey Johnson Bobby Valentine * Jane Jarvis

HahnSolo Dec 11 2009 10:22 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

1. Piazza 2. Doc 3. Straw 4. Cashen 5. Davey 6. Walker 7. Valentine 8. Jarvis I'm in the camp of a Jane Jarvis feature in the Met museum, not a plaque in the HOF. How many will be enshrined at once? Is it only one per year? Doc and Straw I would like to see go in together.

G-Fafif Dec 11 2009 10:26 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[quote="HahnSolo":4tf72yy1]How many will be enshrined at once? Is it only one per year? Doc and Straw I would like to see go in together.[/quote:4tf72yy1] I don't think, in real life, that there's anything hard and fast (that's what she said). The Mets have inducted as many as three at once (Lindsey, Bob, Ralph) and classes of two were otherwise the rule through '86. Since then it's been one per year when a year had anything to offer.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2009 10:53 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

1. Walker 2. Cashen 3. Johnson 4. Jarvis 5. Gooden 6. Strawberry 7. Piazza 8. Valentine Get the folks what should be there already-- father of the five-man rotation and nurturer of HOF arms, architect and contractor for the 80s teams-- in there. Ms. Jarvis, while she's still with us. Then Doc-Straw. Then Piazza-Valentine (I wouldn't mind if my 9th-place guy, Fonzie, got in with that group). OE: Or, apparently, what Edge and a few others already laid out above.

Swan Swan H Dec 11 2009 10:55 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

1. Piazza 2. Cashen 3. Straw 4. Gooden 5. Johnson 6. Walker 7. Valentine 875. Jarvis

Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 10:57 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Some folks hate it when a keyboardist joins the group.

Swan Swan H Dec 11 2009 11:00 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

876. Billy Preston

Swan Swan H Dec 11 2009 11:00 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 11 2009 11:03 AM

DTP. I think my wireless connection is wonky.

Swan Swan H Dec 11 2009 11:01 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

DTP redux

G-Fafif Dec 11 2009 11:04 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Will it go round in circles?

Rockin' Doc Dec 11 2009 11:15 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Frank Cashen Darryl Strawberry Dwight Gooden Davey Johnson Mike Piazza Rube Walker Bobby Valentine Jane Jarvis

TransMonk Dec 11 2009 11:42 AM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Mike Piazza Davey Johnson Dwight Gooden Darryl Strawberry Frank Cashen Bobby Valentine Rube Walker Jane Jarvis

metsguyinmichigan Dec 11 2009 12:15 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

1) Darryl Strawberry 2) Dwight Gooden 3) Frank Cashen 4) Davey Johnson Put them all in together as a salute to the teams of the 1980s. Isn't 2011 the 25th anniversary? Do it this year and call it the first shot at an upcoming year of salutes to the champions. 5) Mike Piazza 6) Bobby Valentine Put them in together as your recognition of that era. When is Mikey eligible for Cooperstown? Honor him before the damn Dodgers do and ensure there's a Mets cap on his plaque. 7) Rube Walker It's long overdue, but since he's passed, there's no real rush when there are worthy folks in line. 8) Jane Jarvis My fear here is that we'd have to endure years of Yankee hack douche bags belittling the team saying how the Mets are so lame that they induct the organist into their Hall of Fame. Now, screw Klapisch, because he'll always find a reason to belittle the Mets. But I don't like the idea of inflicting that on Jane Jarvis, who deserves better than to be a punchline for Joel Sherman and the rest of those ass-wipes.

Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 12:28 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[quote="metsguyinmichigan":34rp139q]My fear here is that we'd have to endure years of Yankee hack douche bags belittling the team saying how the Mets are so lame that they induct the organist into their Hall of Fame.[/quote:34rp139q] Do justice thought the heavens may fall. Seek neither to enter the good graces nor escape the scorn of such folks. The Yankees have an equipment manager in monument park.

G-Fafif Dec 11 2009 12:31 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[quote="metsguyinmichigan"]My fear here is that we'd have to endure years of Yankee hack douche bags belittling the team saying how the Mets are so lame that they induct the organist into their Hall of Fame. Now, screw Klapisch, because he'll always find a reason to belittle the Mets. But I don't like the idea of inflicting that on Jane Jarvis, who deserves better than to be a punchline for Joel Sherman and the rest of those ass-wipes.

Point taken, but eff them. The MFYs put a plaque in their mausoleum (their de facto HOF) for Bob Sheppard, who didn't produce nearly as many hits as Jane.

RealityChuck Dec 11 2009 01:12 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Mike Piazza Frank Cashen Rube Walker Dwight Gooden Darryl Strawberry Davey Johnson Bobby Valentine Jane Jarvis

themetfairy Dec 11 2009 01:13 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[quote="Edgy DC":1wyswql5]OK, here we go. These eight are the survivors of the Stengel Group and the Payson Group. There's some consensus (but not overwhelming) that these are all worthy folk, though you may well think that one or more of these folks are unworthy. What I'm asking in this final group is for you to rank these eight (or fewer, if you so feel) in the order order you'd like to see them enshrined. Frank Cashen Dwight Gooden Jane Jarvis Davey Johnson Mike Piazza Darryl Strawberry Bobby Valentine Rube Walker[/quote:1wyswql5] Frank Cashen. The rest can wait for subsequent years.

Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 01:23 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

I meant to solicit an order including all who you feel are currently qualified, with the understanding that including folks in such in order does not endorse all actually getting in immediately, but rather in the order you list.

Vic Sage Dec 11 2009 03:20 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

class of 2010: Dwight Gooden Darryl Strawberry Davey Johnson Frank Cashen class of 2011: Mike Piazza Bobby Valentine class of 2012: Rube Walker Jane Jarvis

Edgy DC Dec 11 2009 03:21 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Good show.

Kong76 Dec 11 2009 04:05 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Jane says She's done with cranepoolio They treat me like a rag doll

Kong76 Dec 11 2009 04:09 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Jane Jarvis Davey Johnson Mike Piazza Dwight Gooden Darryl Strawberry Bobby Valentine Rube Walker Frank Cashen

bmfc1 Dec 11 2009 04:19 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Darryl Strawberry Dwight Gooden Frank Cashen Mike Piazza Jane Jarvis Davey Johnson Bobby Valentine Rube Walker

MFS62 Dec 11 2009 04:30 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

1st wave: Dwight Gooden Darryl Strawberry Frank Cashen 2nd wave: Davey Johnson Rube Walker Later

Benjamin Grimm Feb 01 2010 12:06 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[quote="Marty Noble's column"]You wrote a nice article about Jane Jarvis. It was appreciated by real Mets fans. When the club announced the Hall of Fame inductees, you were mentioned as one of the voters. Can you vote for Jane next time around? She was as much a part of Shea Stadium as the Apple or any player. RIP, Jane. -- Sandy M., Little Falls, N.J. Thank you. The committee has had discussions about non-player personnel and behind the scenes folks such as Jarvis, former director of stadium operations Bob Mandt and former head groundskeeper Pete Flynn.

Edgy DC Feb 01 2010 12:28 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Hey, I wrote him about Jane and he didn't publish it. He hates me.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 01 2010 12:29 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

You're no Sandy M., it seems.

Edgy DC Feb 01 2010 12:34 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

It's all politics.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 01 2010 12:36 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

I'd put Jane in the Mets HOF if it was up to me. How come the press didn't mention that Jane was Ruth Buzzi's half-sister?

metirish Feb 01 2010 12:40 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

This would make Pete very happy , Mets HOF would add nicely to his Irish American Baseball Hall of Fame induction from a few years ago.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2010 01:03 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[quote="batmagadanleadoff"]I'd put Jane in the Mets HOF if it was up to me. How come the press didn't mention that Jane was Ruth Buzzi's half-sister?

She probably whacked him with an umbrella once.

[quote="Marty Noble"]Thank you. The committee has had discussions about non-player personnel and behind the scenes folks such as Jarvis, former director of stadium operations Bob Mandt and former head groundskeeper Pete Flynn.

You'll notice that he didn't say he was in favor of inducting Ms. Jarvis, either.

Frayed Knot Feb 01 2010 02:15 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Hey, just the fact that he said there's been discussions is at least is public knowledge that this isn't a group that exists only on paper in order to fool fans into thinking that there actually is such a NYM-HoF effort.

G-Fafif Feb 01 2010 02:59 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

The members of the committee, you'll recall, are Al Jackson, Gary Cohen, Howie Rose, Jay Horwitz, Dave Howard, Marty Noble and senior marketing director Tina Mannix, with Jeff Wilpon serving as ex-officio. Who do you think came down on the side of Jane, et al for the Hall, and which owner's son do you suppose vetoed it out of hand?

metsguyinmichigan Feb 01 2010 03:01 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Well, we know Marty doesn't vote for people on the first ballot. Sorry, Jane. You and Robbie Alomar belong, but can wait a year....

G-Fafif Feb 01 2010 03:05 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[quote="metsguyinmichigan":3086j4l3]Well, we know Marty doesn't vote for people on the first ballot. Sorry, Jane. You and Robbie Alomar belong, but can wait a year....[/quote:3086j4l3] Well, Alomar did play second like an old lady in 2002.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2010 03:26 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

[quote="G-Fafif"]The members of the committee, you'll recall, are Al Jackson, Gary Cohen, Howie Rose, Jay Horwitz, Dave Howard, Marty Noble and senior marketing director Tina Mannix, with Jeff Wilpon serving as ex-officio. Who do you think came down on the side of Jane, et al for the Hall, and which owner's son do you suppose vetoed it out of hand?

Not sure. But I hear that Tina thought that honoring Jane made for "a great synergistic market-unity" in conjunction with Sterling Mets' new venture into the organ-selling market.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 01 2010 03:28 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Why is she coated in lint?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2010 03:31 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

That's not lint! That's residual electricity! Y'know, from all the preseason buzz! I believe... in market power! I can't stop using exclamation marks!

metirish Feb 02 2010 06:47 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

Biting analysis here from Strawberry ....all the clichés are rolled out....shock horror even the ones about the 1986 teams swagger... hilarity ensues when he talks about McGwire Strawberry slams Mets, sides with McGwire (no, really) 49 m ago By David Lennon Darryl Strawberry, recently selected for the Mets’ Hall of Fame, did not return the favor to his former team when asked Tuesday about its roster moves this winter. Pushed to grade the Mets’ offseason – good or bad – Strawberry was not very flattering of the front office. “Oh, man, you’re putting me on the spot, huh?,” Strawberry said. “Well, I’ll put it like this: Could have been better. You could have put a couple more pieces in the puzzle for them. I know they signed Jason Bay. The big loss was the Beltran situation. This team, if they want to really get over the hump, they need Carlos Beltran in their lineup and to perform like he’s capable of performing to help this team move forward. “But I think when you look at pitching, I think a little bit more pitching. Hopefully guys will bounce back – [Mike] Pelfrey, [John] Maine will bounce back this year, and be more consistent in what they do. [Johan] Santana is going to be Santana. You’ve got to get your other guys in that rotation to be able to come through and I think that’s important for them.” Strawberry, along with Joba Chamberlain and Lou Piniella, was honored Tuesday at the 30th annual Thurman Munson Awards Dinner, a fundraiser for the AHRC New York City Foundation. He’s also a special instructor for the Mets – he’ll visit Port St. Lucie for a week starting Feb. 27 – and a commentator for the team’s network, SNY. Regardless of his role, Strawberry still swings from his heels, and he believes these Mets need to get some attitude. “Of course they do,” Strawberry said. “I mean, they haven’t quite found that yet. I know a lot of times the players probably get tired of hearing about the ’86 team, but that’s what the fans adore – our confidence, our swagger. We didn’t take anything for granted. But at the same time, we wouldn’t let teams push us over either. “I think playing in New York you have to have that. You can’t be pushed over. Teams come in here and drill hitters, stuff like that, and you don’t retaliate. We didn’t allow that to happen.” Even so, Strawberry believes these Mets can fight back – if they stay healthy. Despite his proclamation of a so-so offseason, he won’t bail on the Mets before the equipment truck leaves for Port St. Lucie. “They have the capability. It’s just a matter of are they confident enough? Do they believe in themselves? Are they sensitive about dealing with the media? You looked in our clubhouse, guys couldn’t wait to talk, to tell you a story. That’s just the way it is here in this city, that’s what made us the way we were, and I think that’s what’s going to have to happen with this ballclub. “Because when you look across town, those boys over there, they play and they play together, and that’s what it’s all about when you play here. You’ve got to play together. It’s not about individual stats – it’s about a team effort.” In addition to his snap analysis of the Mets, Strawberry also had a curious response when asked about Mark McGwire’s recent admission of steroid use. It was during spring training last year that Strawberry sat on a dugout bench and said he would have used steroids if given the chance – a claim he reiterated Tuesday night. But Strawberry shared McGwire’s dubious claim that they did not influence his power numbers. “Well, I don’t believe it helped him,” Strawberry said. “How do I know? I never used them. I wish they had it when I was around because I would have used it. But I can say this as far as the home runs -- the 70 home runs, the 60 home runs, those guys having years like they were having -- I just believe that the pitching was watered down, and these guys were already great players, established as home run hitters. I just believe the ballparks were smaller, so it’s hard to say. I don’t know. I’m not a doctor. I couldn’t really tell you what they do for you.”

Edgy DC Feb 02 2010 07:44 PM Re: Mets Hall of Fame: Final Group

I don't see that as much of a slam. I also think he totally used PEDs.