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Frenchy growing on me
metsguyinmichigan Dec 17 2009 03:12 PM |
[url]http://www.metsblog.com/2009/12/17/interview-me-and-francoeur-on-stats-leadership-fans/#more-48049
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themetfairy Dec 17 2009 03:23 PM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
He seems to have a good attitude, and seems to be a good guy.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 17 2009 03:47 PM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
He's just not very good at being a productive major-league hitter, unfortunately.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 17 2009 04:31 PM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":1gsb9lss]He's just not very good at being a productive major-league hitter, unfortunately.[/quote:1gsb9lss]
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metirish Dec 17 2009 04:42 PM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
Moreon the guy doing the good thing
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smg58 Dec 17 2009 05:22 PM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
He does seem like a good guy. I'm rooting to be wrong about him as a player.
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Edgy DC Dec 17 2009 07:54 PM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
And I'm rooting for our best players not to be a bunch of douchey Albert Belles. (Psst... Yankees.)
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 17 2009 08:33 PM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
Me too. But barring a major improvement, Frenchy isn't one of our best players. If he is, we're in trouble.
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RealityChuck Dec 18 2009 07:45 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
He wouldn't be our best player, but he should be just fine as our right fielder next year.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 18 2009 07:56 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
Count me among those who have no beef with Francoeur.
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Edgy DC Dec 18 2009 07:57 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
Without addressing your feelings about contemporary statistical measurements, it's unfair to equate SABR with them. It's not really what they/we do. Many organizations have a far bigger piece of the pie in baseball data analysis, and it's a very narrow slice of SABR's pie.
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Rockin' Doc Dec 18 2009 08:33 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
I didn't like the Church for Francoeur trade when it was made, but he does seem to be a good guy and hope he will be a productive player for the Mets. Francoeur doesn't need to be the star of the team, the Mets have Wright, Beltran, Reyes, and Santana for stars. The Mets need Francoeur to be a reliable, solid contributor. I think he can provide that for the team.
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attgig Dec 18 2009 08:55 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
if his '09 mets splits can be what we get over a full season, I'd be very happy. probably unrealistic, but i'd be very happy.
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Edgy DC Dec 18 2009 09:02 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
The funny thing is that his rating at fangraphs, if I'm reading correctly, is lower than one might expect because of erratic throwing. Surely, it's not to much to ask for him to make more responsible throws.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 18 2009 09:05 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
I disagree. RF's are expected to make large offensive contributions. As it is, it appears that we've traded Carlos Delgado's power numbers for the unproven production of Daniel Murphy. Our star third baseman hit five road HR's last season and was more Magadan than Wright. So how much offense do the Mets intend to give up? You can talk nice guy all you want but at the end of the day, you have to determine whether Francouer is helping the Mets win and whether Francouer is contributing positively to the ultimate goal of qualifying for the playoffs. I don't see how those two questions could be answered affirmatively being that Francouer is traditionally, a below average player. A few years ago, I might've said that Francouer is sort of a Kingman lite, but his HR rates have dropped by about half since his first two seasons. I'm open-minded to the idea that he'll improve, but remain somewhat skeptical and note that in any event, we would be hoping for Francouer to perform at a level that historically, he's never attained consistently. He did show improvement during his half season as a 2009 Met, though.
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Edgy DC Dec 18 2009 09:10 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
Oh, I'm skeptical too. The main reason I have leftfield as my top priority is that I think whatever productivity the team gets from Pagan and Martinez and Evans and Ike and such will be needed in part to bail out right field.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 18 2009 09:45 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
He seems like a absolute champ of a human being, and-- as much as I feel it's secondary-- it's nice to have someone other that Dabidrye (or, now, JoseX4) get up and enthusiastically feed "rah rah" quotes to the media.
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metirish Dec 22 2009 08:30 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
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Francoeur takes his father on "trip of a lifetime"
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 22 2009 08:34 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
Boy is he gay.
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Centerfield Dec 22 2009 09:00 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
Magadan and Leiter have it right. Francouer may be a nice guy, but he is absolutely part of the problems facing this team.
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RealityChuck Dec 22 2009 09:10 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
[quote="Edgy DC":3pils85q]Without addressing your feelings about contemporary statistical measurements, it's unfair to equate SABR with them. It's not really what they/we do. Many organizations have a far bigger piece of the pie in baseball data analysis, and it's a very narrow slice of SABR's pie.[/quote:3pils85q]True, but they were the founders of the church. It's like referring to people as Christians. They all worship the same thing.
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Edgy DC Dec 22 2009 09:28 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
It's not a church.
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smg58 Dec 22 2009 10:32 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
[quote="Edgy DC":2lr2dz9s]It's not a church.[/quote:2lr2dz9s]
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Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 22 2009 10:34 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
[quote="RealityChuck"]His only crime seems to be heresy against the Church of SABR. |
metirish Jan 19 2010 09:51 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
Jeff Francoeur and the Mets avoided arbitration by agreeing to a deal for $5 million for 2010
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MFS62 Jan 19 2010 09:56 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
[quote="metirish":30p9tf6w]Jeff Francoeur and the Mets avoided arbitration by agreeing to a deal for $5 million for 2010[/quote:30p9tf6w]
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smg58 Jan 19 2010 10:37 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
The price is about what I figured, but he wouldn't have gotten this much on the open market.
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RealityChuck Jan 19 2010 11:24 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
True, but irrelevant. Francouer played with injuries when he could have sat down. You reward him for that. Otherwise, the next player who has minor injuries will go on the DL even when he can help the team. Why should a player make an extra effort to help the team if he's not going to get any benefit out of it?
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Ashie62 Jan 19 2010 02:05 PM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
5 for fighting seems right
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Edgy DC Jan 20 2010 07:43 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
The Mets also announced that they closed on Pedro Feliciano ($2.9 million) and Sean Green ($975,000).
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MFS62 Jan 20 2010 10:03 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
I think the only Arb- eligible Met remaining is Pagan.
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Ashie62 Jan 20 2010 10:14 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
Pagan asks for 1.8 and is offered 1.275
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metirish Jan 27 2010 08:51 AM Re: Frenchy growing on me |
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