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metsguyinmichigan
Dec 17 2009 03:12 PM

[url]http://www.metsblog.com/2009/12/17/interview-me-and-francoeur-on-stats-leadership-fans/#more-48049

Cerrone's interview with Francoeur is interesting.

"I love playing here because it was a high-energy place, because the fans expect you to win and I love that. The fans are good in Atlanta, but it’s a college sports town, you get 15,000 people at a game. Whereas here, even at the end of last season, we had 30,000, 40,000 fans at the game."

I have to say this guy is growing on me. He's saying all the right things, and I didn't realize he's still young.

themetfairy
Dec 17 2009 03:23 PM
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He seems to have a good attitude, and seems to be a good guy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 17 2009 03:47 PM
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He's just not very good at being a productive major-league hitter, unfortunately.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 17 2009 04:31 PM
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[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":1gsb9lss]He's just not very good at being a productive major-league hitter, unfortunately.[/quote:1gsb9lss]


I know whatchoo mean. Because do we want a team of Joe Superniceguy Superscrub McEwings? I don't. Give my team nine Albert Belles and they'll be in the World Series every single year.

metirish
Dec 17 2009 04:42 PM
Re: Frenchy growing on me

Moreon the guy doing the good thing

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ ... -1.1657937

smg58
Dec 17 2009 05:22 PM
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He does seem like a good guy. I'm rooting to be wrong about him as a player.

Edgy DC
Dec 17 2009 07:54 PM
Re: Frenchy growing on me

And I'm rooting for our best players not to be a bunch of douchey Albert Belles. (Psst... Yankees.)

Yeah, I was going to repost that innerview.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 17 2009 08:33 PM
Re: Frenchy growing on me

Me too. But barring a major improvement, Frenchy isn't one of our best players. If he is, we're in trouble.

RealityChuck
Dec 18 2009 07:45 AM
Re: Frenchy growing on me

He wouldn't be our best player, but he should be just fine as our right fielder next year.

His only crime seems to be heresy against the Church of SABR.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 18 2009 07:56 AM
Re: Frenchy growing on me

Count me among those who have no beef with Francoeur.

Edgy DC
Dec 18 2009 07:57 AM
Re: Frenchy growing on me

Without addressing your feelings about contemporary statistical measurements, it's unfair to equate SABR with them. It's not really what they/we do. Many organizations have a far bigger piece of the pie in baseball data analysis, and it's a very narrow slice of SABR's pie.

Rockin' Doc
Dec 18 2009 08:33 AM
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I didn't like the Church for Francoeur trade when it was made, but he does seem to be a good guy and hope he will be a productive player for the Mets. Francoeur doesn't need to be the star of the team, the Mets have Wright, Beltran, Reyes, and Santana for stars. The Mets need Francoeur to be a reliable, solid contributor. I think he can provide that for the team.

attgig
Dec 18 2009 08:55 AM
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if his '09 mets splits can be what we get over a full season, I'd be very happy. probably unrealistic, but i'd be very happy.
over 75 games, he hit 20 doubles, 10hr, 41rbis, .311 ba, 498 slg, 836 ops, 120 ops+.

his only season that was close to that statistically was his rookie year in 70 games (when he was actually better than that).

Edgy DC
Dec 18 2009 09:02 AM
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The funny thing is that his rating at fangraphs, if I'm reading correctly, is lower than one might expect because of erratic throwing. Surely, it's not to much to ask for him to make more responsible throws.

Asking him to do that and maintain his Metly hitting performance over a season might be tougher.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 18 2009 09:05 AM
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I disagree. RF's are expected to make large offensive contributions. As it is, it appears that we've traded Carlos Delgado's power numbers for the unproven production of Daniel Murphy. Our star third baseman hit five road HR's last season and was more Magadan than Wright. So how much offense do the Mets intend to give up? You can talk nice guy all you want but at the end of the day, you have to determine whether Francouer is helping the Mets win and whether Francouer is contributing positively to the ultimate goal of qualifying for the playoffs. I don't see how those two questions could be answered affirmatively being that Francouer is traditionally, a below average player. A few years ago, I might've said that Francouer is sort of a Kingman lite, but his HR rates have dropped by about half since his first two seasons. I'm open-minded to the idea that he'll improve, but remain somewhat skeptical and note that in any event, we would be hoping for Francouer to perform at a level that historically, he's never attained consistently. He did show improvement during his half season as a 2009 Met, though.

To the extent that everyone, even Albert Pujols, is a question mark, and that no one knows what's gonna happen next season, Francouer is an even bigger question mark if he is expected to shine.

Edgy DC
Dec 18 2009 09:10 AM
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Oh, I'm skeptical too. The main reason I have leftfield as my top priority is that I think whatever productivity the team gets from Pagan and Martinez and Evans and Ike and such will be needed in part to bail out right field.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 18 2009 09:45 AM
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He seems like a absolute champ of a human being, and-- as much as I feel it's secondary-- it's nice to have someone other that Dabidrye (or, now, JoseX4) get up and enthusiastically feed "rah rah" quotes to the media.

He also has a lifetime slugging percentage that's five points higher than the average NL starting SS last year. I'll repeat that for emphasis: over the course of nearly 3000 AB, he has hit the ball for power as well as last year's AVERAGE NATIONAL LEAGUE SHORTSTOP.

Last year's second half was a nice surprise. I hope it continues. I wouldn't bet a borrowed nickel on it, though.

metirish
Dec 22 2009 08:30 AM
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Francoeur takes his father on "trip of a lifetime"






Jeff Francoeur is an open, accommodating guy. He's lived in Atlanta's public eye since the 11th grade. It's not like he has a lot of secrets.

But he managed to keep a whopper for more than a year, even from his father David, the master at reading his son's intentions.

The former Brave and Parkview High School standout, Francoeur surprised his father and six other pals and relatives with an all-expenses paid trip to Scotland to play some of the finest golf courses in the world.

They went in late October, which means he had all baseball season to anticipate the trip. It gave Francoeur a constant at a time when so much around him was changing, with his trade to the New York Mets.

"All these guys have been so supportive," Francoeur said of the group that includes his brother, brother-in-law, uncle, cousin and two family friends.

Growing up, baseball may have been Francoeur's first love, but golf was his passion. He, his brother and his father watched tournaments on TV together. The British Open was special because it started in the morning and they could watch all day.

Annual golf trips provided a way for Francoeur to stay connected to the men in his family, away from everything else. As his baseball life became more hectic, he cherished the trips even more. It didn't hurt that he also had more means and connections to pull them off.

Flying home over the 2008 All-Star break, Francoeur met a man who had played famous courses in Scotland through an international travel company. That planted the seed.

They could play the Old Course at St. Andrews, Muirfield and Carnoustie -- or "Carnasty" as they learned the locals call it.

For a back story, Francoeur fed the guys a tale that they were going back to Bandon Dunes, an Oregon course with a Scottish links feel, where Francour had surprised them with a trip in 2006. Then they'd go to Chambers Bay in Washington and on up to play in Canada. That way they'd pack warm clothes and a passport.

The only people Francoeur told the real destination were the wives, his mom and some employees at a local PGA Superstore. Francoeur was there almost every day leading up to the trip.

Francoeur's wife Catie helped put together backpacks for everybody. Mizuno, his baseball glove supplier, sent eight rain suits. Francoeur bought golf balls with each guy's favorite college logo, so there would be "no cheating," he said.

Even the Mets gave Francoeur the OK to put off surgery on his thumb (torn ligament) this winter until after the trip.

All the while, his father never found out.

David Francoeur had spoiled the Bandon Dunes surprise in 2006 when he saw the down payment on Jeff's credit card statement. This time he bumped into Catie's uncle and thought he reacted strangely when David told him they heading out west to golf. But Francoeur quelled his father's suspicions by having his banker call to tell him their credit cards were good to go for Canada.

David Francoeur even bought a pair of knickers to wear as a joke, not knowing how fitting they'd actually be.

The night before they left, the gang gathered for a cookout at Jeff and Catie's house. Francoeur put on a video Catie had made to break the news before the airport ticket agent could give it away.

To Kenny Chesney's "I Go Back," a slideshow began with shots of Bandon Dunes and Chambers Bay. Then it showed a golfer walking in the snow, with the words "Canadian winter golf, eh?"

Then it said, "So ..." followed by, "I decided to change our trip." The screen then went black.

That's when Francoeur stood up to tell them they were actually going to Scotland. The video started again to the sound of bagpipes.

As they watched shots of the Swilcan Bridge at St. Andrews, the lighthouse at Turnberry and Stewart Cink kissing the Claret Jug, the surprise started sinking in and two in the group started to cry.

David Francoeur sat stunned.

"I was at a loss for words," he said. "When I heard Scotland, I said ‘Oh my gosh, what a treat.' But then when he started to say the courses we were playing, that's when it really hit me."

About 36 hours later, running on adrenaline and an energy drink that Francoeur had packed, they teed off at the seventh oldest golf course in the world – Balcomie Links in Fife.

The wind was whipping at 45 mph. The North Sea beckoned just off the fairway to the right.

Francoeur asked his caddie where he should hit.

"You have to the North Sea to the right and Scotland to the left," the caddie said. "So I'd aim bloody left."

On cue, Francoeur sent his first ball into the North Sea. But that's what mulligans are for – jet lag and the North Sea.

They played six courses in six days, traveling in a 20-passenger van fitted with card tables and coolers. It was driven by a likeable Scottish smart aleck named Andy, who told Francoeur he didn't know a thing about baseball.

"He said ‘All I care about is football,' " Francoeur said. "I'm like ‘Hey dude, it's soccer. We have football.' "

They didn't talk baseball, which was fine by Francoeur. The first three games of the World Series came and went without their notice.

Nobody other than a few caddies who moonlighted in Florida knew Francoeur's story, about his rise with the Braves, the Sports Illustrated cover, his minor league demotion and his trade to the Mets.

They just wanted to see his approach shot at No. 18 on the Old Course. Some 60 tourists watched Francoeur and his father come in that second day at St. Andrews.

Francoeur sliced his tee shot out of bounds to the right. His caddie told him not to feel bad; Ernie Els had hit it there two weeks earlier. His father laughed. Then he hooked his tee shot out of bounds to the left.

Both were feeling too good that day to be bothered. Walking up the first fairway hours earlier, David Francoeur, decked out in his knickers, had put his arm around his son.

"He said ‘When I'm on my death bed, I want you to remember this day because this is one of the greatest days of my life,' " Francoeur said. "My dad is not a very emotional guy. He's pretty tough. To hear that from him was really cool."

They played two three-day tournaments, each named after one of Francoeur's grandfathers who both passed away in 2006: the Conrad Cup for his father's father and Mel's Match for his mother's father.

Francoeur's dad and uncle bought him flags from each of the six courses. He's framing them to go on his wall.

"For me it was a trip of a lifetime," Francoeur said. "The best part for me was seeing their faces the night we made the surprise."

Not that he'll ever be able to top it, but Francoeur has another trip in mind for next year: Italy. This time, it's Catie's turn.




John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 22 2009 08:34 AM
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Boy is he gay.

Centerfield
Dec 22 2009 09:00 AM
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Magadan and Leiter have it right. Francouer may be a nice guy, but he is absolutely part of the problems facing this team.

He may have had a strong second half (relatively for him) but he still ended the year with a .732 OPS. The same OPS as Luis Castillo. Getting this type of production from a corner outfield spot is terrible. Paying more than league minimum for it even terribler. I really wish the Mets would sell high on him and get something of value. There have to be other GM's that are into "toolsy" guys like Jeff.

[quote="RealityChuck":3opq7kq0]He wouldn't be our best player, but he should be just fine as our right fielder next year.

His only crime seems to be heresy against the Church of SABR.[/quote:3opq7kq0]

You know, one could say the exact same thing about me. I wouldn't be the Mets' best player, but I should be just fine. My only crime will be posting really really bad stats.

What's that you say? I would be significantly worse than Francouer? Well only if you believe those silly little "statistics" things.

Let's throw out OPS for the moment. Can anyone tell me what Francouer does well? He does not hit for average, he does not post a high OBP, he does not hit for power, and has no speed to speak of. Sure, he's got a nice arm, and with the exception of a few gaffes, catches the ball pretty well. But to me, I just don't see rightfield as a good place for "all-glove, no bat" guys.

RealityChuck
Dec 22 2009 09:10 AM
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[quote="Edgy DC":3pils85q]Without addressing your feelings about contemporary statistical measurements, it's unfair to equate SABR with them. It's not really what they/we do. Many organizations have a far bigger piece of the pie in baseball data analysis, and it's a very narrow slice of SABR's pie.[/quote:3pils85q]True, but they were the founders of the church. It's like referring to people as Christians. They all worship the same thing.

Edgy DC
Dec 22 2009 09:28 AM
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It's not a church.

smg58
Dec 22 2009 10:32 AM
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[quote="Edgy DC":2lr2dz9s]It's not a church.[/quote:2lr2dz9s]

It's more like a Vegas-style chapel with Elvis impersonators doing the ceremonies.

Vince Coleman Firecracker
Dec 22 2009 10:34 AM
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[quote="RealityChuck"]His only crime seems to be heresy against the Church of SABR.



[quote="RealityChuck"]True, but they were the founders of the church. It's like referring to people as Christians. They all worship the same thing.


metirish
Jan 19 2010 09:51 AM
Re: Frenchy growing on me

Jeff Francoeur and the Mets avoided arbitration by agreeing to a deal for $5 million for 2010

MFS62
Jan 19 2010 09:56 AM
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[quote="metirish":30p9tf6w]Jeff Francoeur and the Mets avoided arbitration by agreeing to a deal for $5 million for 2010[/quote:30p9tf6w]

As in a single year, no options.

Later

smg58
Jan 19 2010 10:37 AM
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The price is about what I figured, but he wouldn't have gotten this much on the open market.

RealityChuck
Jan 19 2010 11:24 AM
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True, but irrelevant. Francouer played with injuries when he could have sat down. You reward him for that. Otherwise, the next player who has minor injuries will go on the DL even when he can help the team. Why should a player make an extra effort to help the team if he's not going to get any benefit out of it?

This is basic human resource management: you reward people for taking on more than the minimum. Otherwise, you get a bunch of players who don't give a damn.

Ashie62
Jan 19 2010 02:05 PM
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5 for fighting seems right

Edgy DC
Jan 20 2010 07:43 AM
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The Mets also announced that they closed on Pedro Feliciano ($2.9 million) and Sean Green ($975,000).

MFS62
Jan 20 2010 10:03 AM
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I think the only Arb- eligible Met remaining is Pagan.
With the Beltran medical news, I wonder if he raised his asking price.
Or did the numbers have to be submitted on a date before before the Beltran injury was announced?
Anyone know?

Later

Ashie62
Jan 20 2010 10:14 AM
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Pagan asks for 1.8 and is offered 1.275

metirish
Jan 27 2010 08:51 AM
Re: Frenchy growing on me

Video

http://www2.wsav.com/sav/sports/local/a ... nah/90947/