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Olney on Bay and Mets
metsguyinmichigan Dec 30 2009 08:40 AM |
I'm not an ESPN Insider, but here's the tease from Olney's column on the Mets...
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Edgy DC Dec 30 2009 08:49 AM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
Seems pretty obvious, though it's given little comfort to Met fans.
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attgig Dec 30 2009 09:24 AM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
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I'm hating the lineup order. 2&8 should be swapped, but knowing what manuel did last year... it may happen... *shudder*
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Edgy DC Dec 30 2009 09:29 AM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
I don't worry much about Olney setting our lineup order.
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MFS62 Dec 30 2009 09:32 AM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
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[quote="attgig"]
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metsguyinmichigan Dec 30 2009 09:35 AM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
"The Mets still need arms, writes John Harper."
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attgig Dec 30 2009 09:41 AM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
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oops. some more mets talk in that article:
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 30 2009 10:44 AM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
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I find this data to be very persuasive. "Hit tracker" HR data --analyzing each home run individually for distance, speed and trajectory-- will yield a more accurate understanding of a stadium's effect on home runs than by simply comparing the total number of HR's hit at home by the home team and its opponents as compared to road HR's. I've been discounting the fact that both the Mets and their opponents have hit more home runs at Citi Field last season than on the road, and therefore, am unwilling to conclude that Citi Field increases the number of HR's hit as compared to a neutral park. As a result, I've been ignoring many of the Citi Field HR rankings that have been generated by baseball statistical sites in this off season. To me, it's illogical to conclude that CF inreases HR's, given the larger fair ball area as compared to Shea, and the significantly taller outfield fences. I realize that there might be other factors to compensate for the larger CF dimensions, such as wind patterns, better lighting, architecture, etc, but remain unconvinced that those conditions exist to the point that they might nullify the new stadium's vast outfield. I expect that a larger sample size (at least three seasons worth of data) will confirm that Citi Field is not a HR park.
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MFS62 Dec 30 2009 10:57 AM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
I wonder if they took into account the home runs that travelled 315 - 379 feet at Fenway (LF iline to left center) that were stopped by the seats above the high wall (maybe another 40 feet). I'm thinkin' that may have shortened the distances they used.
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smg58 Dec 30 2009 11:07 AM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
I buy the argument that fly balls carry further in the more enclosed CitiField than they did in Shea, where the prevailing winds blew in from center and from left. I wouldn't be too quick to discount the home/road splits from last year, as they're the only hard data we have to go with so far. There's simply no evidence that opposing teams had any difficulty hitting home runs in Citi last year, and lots of evidence that the Mets had problems hitting home runs everywhere. I'll believe that Citi limits home runs when evidence to that effect emerges, but I don't share BML's confidence that it will.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 30 2009 11:13 AM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
[quote="smg58"]I buy the argument that fly balls carry further in the more enclosed CitiField than they did in Shea, where the prevailing winds blew in from center and from left. |
seawolf17 Dec 30 2009 12:10 PM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
[quote="batmagadanleadoff":2zrhefjz]Shea was tougher on right-handed hitters than on left-handed hitters for HR's; although the stadium dimensions were symetrical, the architecture wasn't.[/quote:2zrhefjz]
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attgig Dec 30 2009 12:38 PM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
[quote="seawolf17":2wuke156][quote="batmagadanleadoff":2wuke156]Shea was tougher on right-handed hitters than on left-handed hitters for HR's; although the stadium dimensions were symetrical, the architecture wasn't.[/quote:2wuke156]
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Swan Swan H Dec 30 2009 12:40 PM Re: Olney on Bay and Mets |
[quote="attgig":p2ex2r5q][quote="seawolf17":p2ex2r5q][quote="batmagadanleadoff":p2ex2r5q]Shea was tougher on right-handed hitters than on left-handed hitters for HR's; although the stadium dimensions were symetrical, the architecture wasn't.[/quote:p2ex2r5q]
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