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Edgy DC
Dec 31 2009 08:54 AM

I don't want to do a likey/no likely poll until the ink is dry and stuff, but the WSJ just threw out a goofy blog piece entitled "Mets’ Signing of Bay Evokes Bronx Cheers in Queens."

I had to click that shit, as my impression is that Mets fans --- crankypants as they've been this offseason --- were at worst curious about what's next, but mostly just holding their breath until the press conference, because they don't trust Francessa a bit.

So what does he have to show as "Bronx Cheers in Queens"? Interviews with men and women on the street? No, rehashes of other folks' work.

[list][*]Yahoo's Yahoo Jeff Passan, whose logical flaws were glaring enough to anybody as we discussed yesterday. But he's a national baseball writer with the Kansas City Star on his resume. Hardly the spokesman for Mets fans.

[/*:m]
[*]Joel Sherman, a jerkweed who tries to stir up shit in order to foment enough disgust to make people buy another paper before better judgement gets a hold of them. His angle: Bay can't pitch, he may fail a physical, and he may hate the Mets as much as Sherman hates his life, and he's guilty uiitl proven innocent on all accounts.

[/*:m]
[*]Greg Prince! There's a voice of the fan that I can trust. Problem is that the Journal takes a Greg quote out of context --- the context being a blog post suggesting that folks really outghta be pretty darn happy with the reported signing of Jason Bay.[/*:m][/list:u]

The writer's thesis falling apart before his eyes --- but deadline still looming --- he starts dumping in links that he doesn't even pretend back him up.

[list][*]Lee Jenkins at Sports Illustrated says that Bay's a better fit for the Mets than Holliday. Um, that's good, right?

[/*:m]
[*]Steve Buckley in the Boston Herald writes a sour grapes piece saying the Bay should have stayed in the Bay State because the Mets suck. That's his problem, not mine, because clearly the Mets suck that much less with Bay.[/*:m][/list:u]

Is there something that says that the best way to write sports is to take a negative angle as a default? I realize that's just a blog post, but it's a mess and it sort of tells me that guys are keeping their jobs (for now) just by filing on time. It's the freakin' Journal.

MFS62
Dec 31 2009 09:19 AM
Re: Bay Reactions

One of the guys on WFAN yesterday, taling about Gammons' "Beiruit" quote (Evan Roberts?) said that Boston sportswriters have a history of trashing any Red Sock who goes to New York. He said they did it with Boggs, Damon and now Bay (he said "among others', but probably those were the only ones he could think of). The writers say the players are "over the hill", "not that good", etc.
So, maybe Buckley is just following a fine Boston tradition.

Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 31 2009 09:34 AM
Re: Bay Reactions

I didn't read Sherman's column, or any of the others but Greg's, but have come around to believe that Sherman is OK most days. The Post in fact kills the Snooze on columnists, though I never read the Post and buy the Snooze everyday.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 31 2009 10:47 AM
Re: Bay Reactions

The New York Times offers up another angle on the (Jason) Baywatch:

Some Hesitant as Mets' Ticket Deadline Looms

By KEN BELSON
Published: December 30, 2009

With the Mets on the verge of signing Jason Bay to fill one of their biggest needs, a left fielder, the question arises: Who, literally, will notice Bay next season?

One of the biggest complaints from Mets fans about Citi Field last season was the obstructed views from the seats in left field
. From the highest of the three decks, many fans could not see the left fielder, the warning track or the fence, and sometimes could not see the center fielder, either. Fans in the lower decks also struggled to see plays in left field, and often had to crane their necks to watch replays on televisions hanging above them.

Mets executives have defended Citi Field’s geometry, saying that the partly obscured views of the field are the tradeoff for putting fans closer to the action.

In good times, a debate over stadium sight lines would be a footnote. But these are not the best of times. Many Mets fans are frustrated by the team’s dismal 2009 season and by their uncertain prospects in 2010. Other than Bay, the Mets have not made any big off-season moves.

Fans have also voiced concerns about the cost of tickets. That issue, combined with the discontent over the team and some of the views, has left some fans in no mood to renew their season-ticket plans by Thursday’s deadline, which had already been extended earlier this month.

“For the life of me, I don’t know why I’d want those seats again,” said Len Jokubaitis, who had a Saturday plan with two seats in the top row of Section 531 in left field. He was one of more than two dozen fans who talked to The New York Times about their ticket plans for 2010. “I wish the team well and I’d love to see them turn it around, but I just don’t think they are worth it right now.”

Jokubaitis said he would go to fewer games next season and search for single-game tickets on StubHub. He is willing to pay more than face value for those tickets, he said, because he will be freed from the risk of being left with tickets he cannot resell, something he said happened repeatedly last year.

Fans sitting in the outfield are not the only ones making other plans. Ominously for the team, fans like Jamie Schreck are also taking a pass. He had two seats in the Metropolitan Bronze level last season that cost an average of $150 per ticket. But the team’s poor play, the relative lack of free-agent signings and the slim resale market for his seats persuaded Schreck to opt for single-game tickets in 2010.

“I’ll probably go to the same amount of games that I did last year, but I’ll remove the stress of having to get rid of the 50 or 60 games that I don’t want to go to,” he said.

Acquiring Bay, he said, will help the team. But, he added, “there’s got to be a very strong chance of them going to the playoffs year after year to justify these prices.”

To induce fans like Schreck to buy new plans, the Mets cut ticket prices by as much as 20 percent on some seats. The price of Schreck’s seats, though, fell just 3.3 percent. In the sections farthest from home plate, where many holders of partial season tickets plans sit, prices were mostly unchanged.

That includes the Promenade Reserved sections in deep left field, where tickets cost as little as $11 a game.

Mets officials declined to say what percentage of their season-ticket holders have renewed their plans, or what impact they expect the Bay signing will have on ticket sales. The team, of course, may still make some significant off-season moves, but even that might not satisfy every disgruntled fan. For instance, one fan named Jay, writing on The New York Times’s Bats blog, listed an array of reasons for not renewing his tickets on the promenade level, including the location of his seats and the lack of access to some of the stadium’s clubs.

What seemed to really set him off, though, was the team not meeting his request for a Johan Santana bobble head doll.

“Well, it’s been two years and I reminded him every time I spoke with him,” Jay wrote on Bats Blog about his conversations with a Mets ticket-sales representative. “But he has no problem calling me every week or so asking when I’m going to renew.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/sport ... ckets.html

Fman99
Dec 31 2009 01:24 PM
Re: Bay Reactions

[quote="batmagadanleadoff"]The New York Times offers up another angle on the (Jason) Baywatch:

Some Hesitant as Mets' Ticket Deadline Looms

By KEN BELSON
Published: December 30, 2009

With the Mets on the verge of signing Jason Bay to fill one of their biggest needs, a left fielder, the question arises: Who, literally, will notice Bay next season?

One of the biggest complaints from Mets fans about Citi Field last season was the obstructed views from the seats in left field
. From the highest of the three decks, many fans could not see the left fielder, the warning track or the fence, and sometimes could not see the center fielder, either. Fans in the lower decks also struggled to see plays in left field, and often had to crane their necks to watch replays on televisions hanging above them.

Mets executives have defended Citi Field’s geometry, saying that the partly obscured views of the field are the tradeoff for putting fans closer to the action.

In good times, a debate over stadium sight lines would be a footnote. But these are not the best of times. Many Mets fans are frustrated by the team’s dismal 2009 season and by their uncertain prospects in 2010. Other than Bay, the Mets have not made any big off-season moves.

Fans have also voiced concerns about the cost of tickets. That issue, combined with the discontent over the team and some of the views, has left some fans in no mood to renew their season-ticket plans by Thursday’s deadline, which had already been extended earlier this month.

“For the life of me, I don’t know why I’d want those seats again,” said Len Jokubaitis, who had a Saturday plan with two seats in the top row of Section 531 in left field. He was one of more than two dozen fans who talked to The New York Times about their ticket plans for 2010. “I wish the team well and I’d love to see them turn it around, but I just don’t think they are worth it right now.”

Jokubaitis said he would go to fewer games next season and search for single-game tickets on StubHub. He is willing to pay more than face value for those tickets, he said, because he will be freed from the risk of being left with tickets he cannot resell, something he said happened repeatedly last year.

Fans sitting in the outfield are not the only ones making other plans. Ominously for the team, fans like Jamie Schreck are also taking a pass. He had two seats in the Metropolitan Bronze level last season that cost an average of $150 per ticket. But the team’s poor play, the relative lack of free-agent signings and the slim resale market for his seats persuaded Schreck to opt for single-game tickets in 2010.

“I’ll probably go to the same amount of games that I did last year, but I’ll remove the stress of having to get rid of the 50 or 60 games that I don’t want to go to,” he said.

Acquiring Bay, he said, will help the team. But, he added, “there’s got to be a very strong chance of them going to the playoffs year after year to justify these prices.”

To induce fans like Schreck to buy new plans, the Mets cut ticket prices by as much as 20 percent on some seats. The price of Schreck’s seats, though, fell just 3.3 percent. In the sections farthest from home plate, where many holders of partial season tickets plans sit, prices were mostly unchanged.

That includes the Promenade Reserved sections in deep left field, where tickets cost as little as $11 a game.

Mets officials declined to say what percentage of their season-ticket holders have renewed their plans, or what impact they expect the Bay signing will have on ticket sales. The team, of course, may still make some significant off-season moves, but even that might not satisfy every disgruntled fan. For instance, one fan named Jay, writing on The New York Times’s Bats blog, listed an array of reasons for not renewing his tickets on the promenade level, including the location of his seats and the lack of access to some of the stadium’s clubs.

What seemed to really set him off, though, was the team not meeting his request for a Johan Santana bobble head doll.


“Well, it’s been two years and I reminded him every time I spoke with him,” Jay wrote on Bats Blog about his conversations with a Mets ticket-sales representative. “But he has no problem calling me every week or so asking when I’m going to renew.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/sport ... ckets.html



Not renewing because they wouldn't offer his favorite player as a plastic toy? What a dingus. Go be a Phillies fan, they have better schwag. Idiot.

dgwphotography
Dec 31 2009 02:39 PM
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I'm going to say this up front - I like the move. I think Bay plugs a hole - he's not the final piece, but he's a much needed piece.

Having said that, I have to believe that the timing of said "announcement" on the #1 afternoon sports show in NY, was not a coincidence with the the deadline for season ticket renewals coming up.

Frayed Knot
Dec 31 2009 02:58 PM
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Of course the Mets didn't 'announce' anything. I don't think we've heard a word about this yet from them, especially seeing as how this isn't official until next week (if then).

Now, you've probably got a pretty good case to make that the leak was timed just so - but even then there still had to be an agreement on the player's end so it's not something the club could just conger up on their own.

dgwphotography
Dec 31 2009 03:11 PM
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That's why I put announcement in quotes. I do think this was leaked to Francesa for that reason.

Frayed Knot
Dec 31 2009 03:45 PM
Re: Bay Reactions

Probably was - although people basing their ticket buying decision on one signing pretty much deserve to be duped.

Kong76
Dec 31 2009 04:10 PM
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I think stuff like this has little to do with tickets sales this
time of year. The regulars have re-up'd and I agree that
anyone holding out for an above average left fielder before
they spend the rest of their holiday money should just go
spend it on something else if the Mets bug them so much.

People who go to 1 game a year will probably do so in 2010
regardless of who was signed and when.
People who go to 5 games a year probably do so in 2010
regardless of who was signed and when.
People who go to 10 games a year probably do so in 2010
regardless of who was signed and when.
People who go to 15 games a year probably do so in 2010
regardless of who was signed and when.
People who go to 20 games a year probably do so in 2010
regardless of who was signed and when.
People who go to 25 games a year probably do so in 2010
regardless of who was signed and when.
People who go to more than 25 games a year need to in-
vite me to join them for a game or two.

The few people that don't fit into the above parameters
just happen to have blogs, call talk radio a lot, and thank-
fully post on message boards -- but it's really small group
of fish in the ocean in my humble opinion. Plus money is
very tight for some households. It's easy to say I ain't
wasting my dough this year on The Stems when really it
could boil down to chosing between that an some other
form of entertainment and blaming it on what they are
fed by the news about what the Mets do wrong day af-
ter day after day whether it's accurate or not.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 31 2009 04:16 PM
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What's that? A MSMish blog writer who LIKED the Bay deal for the Mets?

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston ... oth-sides/

(Alex Speier's generally a pretty clear-headed analyst.)

G-Fafif
Dec 31 2009 04:20 PM
Re: Bay Reactions

[quote="Edgy DC"][*]Greg Prince! There's a voice of the fan that I can trust. Problem is that the Journal takes a Greg quote out of context --- the context being a blog post suggesting that folks really outghta be pretty darn happy with the reported signing of Jason Bay.[/list]



Nice of them (and you) to notice. A narrative is a terrible thing to waste.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 01 2010 09:53 AM
Re: Bay Reactions

Here's Jeff "The Bad Guys Won!" Pearlman's Bay Reaction:

Yes, Jason Bay is going to be big in New York -- a big bust, that is

The statement came 28 years ago.

In the winter of 1981-82, the New York Mets were Big Apple nobodies -- a star-less, charisma-less franchise coming off of a miserable 41-62 strike-shortened season. The team had drawn 704,244 fans, seventh in the National League (and not even half the total of the cross-town Yankees), and its marketing exclamation, "The magic is back!" rang hollow. Unless Joel Youngblood and Pete Falcone possessed some sort of secret, Houdini-esque abilities, the magic was not back. It was, in fact, dead.

With this as a backdrop, Frank Cashen, the team's general manager, pulled off a headline-stealing deal. In exchange for three middling players, Cashen landed slugging outfielder George Foster from the Cincinnati Reds, immediately signing him to a five-year, $10 million contract.

Did Cashen think the former National League MVP was the missing piece that New York needed to turn itself into a winner? Hardly. While the Mets offense was nothing to brag about, it was the club's rotten starting rotation and lowly middle infield that required the most attention. "But signing George was a message to baseball and to our fans that we were in it to win," Cashen said. "From here on out, we would do whatever it takes."

The outcome: Foster hit 13 home runs in his first season in New York. He played an abysmal left field, was booed mercilessly, shunned in his own clubhouse and -- even as he went on to spend 3½ more decent seasons with the Mets -- labeled one of the biggest busts in the team's history. By the time the team won the 1986 World Series, he was out of baseball.

Why? Because George Foster was a bad fit.



* * *

As we approach 2010, New York Mets history is about to repeat itself. According to WFAN, the team has agreed to sign Jason Bay to a four-year contract worth nearly $66 million. Like Foster 28 years back, Bay is in his early 30s. Like Foster 28 years back, Bay will play left field and bat in the middle of the order. Like Foster 28 years back, Bay will arrive in Queens accompanied by enough hype and hope to fill three stadiums.

Like Foster 28 years back, this will not go well.



Jason Bay is a good ballplayer. A fine ballplayer. Heck, an excellent ballplayer. With Boston last year, residing in cozy Fenway Park, the 31-year-old All-Star hit 36 home runs with 119 RBIs, thus making him the pulse of an otherwise aging Red Sox lineup. He has cleared 30 home runs in four of his last five seasons. Bay also happens to be one of the game's truly good guys -- likeable, agreeable, approachable, laid-back. The complete package.

Yet for all the positives Bay brings to an organization, he lacks the one tool that the Mets truly need -- an ability to move walls.

When New York's brain-dead powers-that-be decided that Citi Field should feature spacious outfield grass and power alleys from here to Hagåtña, they unintentionally dictated the type of team that GM Omar Manaya is required to assemble. Namely, the modern-day Mets must replicate the '85 Cardinals, who were constructed around speed and pitching; around doubles and triples into the gaps; around shutouts and 2-1 wins. In Flushing, the signature has to be run generation -- Jose Reyes leading off with a single, stealing second, stealing third, being brought home via a sac fly. The Mets need men who take lots of pitches and work deep into counts; who can hit to the opposite field and run like Miguel Dilone.

Sluggers? What sluggers? Playing in Shea Stadium in 2008, David Wright was a power monster, producing 33 homers and 124 RBIs. Playing in Citi Field in 2009, Wright was, well, George Foster circa 1982, with a paltry 10 homers and 72 RBIs. Or, to put it more bluntly, the Mets' leading home run hitter last season was Daniel Murphy -- with 12. If Bay has an absolutely outstanding 2010, he might hit 25 homers. He might.

In their new digs, the Mets also require arms. Lots and lots of arms. They require starters who can hold a game close -- guys like John Lackey; guys like Javier Vazquez; guys... whom the Mets completely ignored as others pounced.

No doubt those Met fans who had been waiting for their team to make a statement will be pleased. Bay, like Foster, is a big name with big power and big skills.

He will also be a big bust.

Jeff Pearlman can be reached at anngold22@gmail.com.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... jason.bay/

Ashie62
Jan 01 2010 10:36 AM
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I'm just going to hope he is wrong...I do agree that the dimensions of Citifield were poorly conceived.

Kong76
Jan 01 2010 10:36 AM
Re: Bay Reactions

Hah, a bad fit ... very original!

Drawing similarities between Foster's ~ 1976 to 1981? and Bay's 2004-
2009 takes a little bit of time and imagination -- both of which Mr. Pearlman
has a lot of. Foster was a pretty sick offensive machine, and the good folks
(myself included) that thought Georgie Boy was going to do well for the
Mets had little reason to think he wouldn't be and I defy anyone to find
tabloidesque or anythingelseesque questioning him coming to New York.
I don't know any Mets fans, and I know a lot of them, that think Bay is
some kind of savior nor do I subscribe to the notion that he's selling
tickets but that's a different soap box and I'm about to fall off this one.

Frayed Knot
Jan 01 2010 10:51 AM
Re: Bay Reactions

Saying that 'X' will suck because 'Y' did is pretty shallow thinking. Football fans/commentators are big on that sort of thing, deciding that some running back draft pick will fail because one from the same college failed to match the hype 20 years earlier like there's some sort of cosmic connection.

Bay will also have a lot more help around him than Georgie boy did.
The lesson of Foster was learning that one high-priced player on a really bad team not only doesn't turn things around but is also a big waste of money.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 01 2010 11:05 AM
Re: Bay Reactions

Dave Magadan says Bay will fit in perfectly with Mets

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/sur ... cnfdluXvCK

excerpt:
...[t]hat experience, Magadan says, should make Bay's transition to the Mets an easy one.

"He came here for Manny and had to deal with being the guy that came here replacing Manny," Magadan said. "He came the last two months of 2008 and handled it like a champ. He was very productive for us and a big reason we got as far as we did in the playoffs."

Sean Casey, now an MLB network analyst, was Bay's teammate in Pittsburgh and Boston. Casey said he saw a distinctive change in Bay's normally subdued personality as the Red Sox were making a charge toward the postseason two years ago.

"What I loved in '08, down the stretch you saw a lot of fire and passion from him," Casey said. "It was pretty awesome to see how excited he got, because all those years in Pittsburgh there were no games that meant anything from July on. He looked like a little kid again."

Magadan likes the fact Bay is a straight shooter.

"He's going to fit right in with the likes of David Wright," Magadan said. "He's not an excuse-maker and he's going to fess up when things don't go right."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 01 2010 11:25 AM
Re: Bay Reactions

Jeff Pearlman's thought process here seems to run like so:

1) Jason Bay is a FA left-fielder with a big bat, and is likely to be this winter's big acquisition.
2) He reminds me of George Foster, another LF acquisition with a big bat.
3) George Foster flopped. Man, was that disappointing...
4) I've heard CitiField is huge and kills HR numbers (NOTE: It doesn't.).
5) Jason Bay may have a tough time, then.
6) Research to confirm, or simply make it more sure-sounding, and toss in a whole lot of old Met names to make it sound like I've considered this deeply? Sure-sounding and a Youngblood-infusion it is.

Jeff Pearlman is a great narrative/feature writer. As an analyst, though... he makes a great narrative/feature writer.

Edgy DC
Jan 01 2010 11:49 AM
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That last sentence of LWFS's is well put.

A good editor: "Jeff, if the issue is the walls --- and I'll accept that for the sake of argument --- well, what the hell does that have to do with Foster?"

A bad editor: "George Foster --- cool, let me have design dig up some file photos."

Sean Casey's been popping up all over plugging Bay's white-guy values (to say nothing of Dave Magadan's "lunch-pail guy"):

[list:iw50yv8q][*:iw50yv8q]"Gamer."

[/*:m:iw50yv8q]
[*:iw50yv8q]"Comes to play every night!"

[/*:m:iw50yv8q]
[*:iw50yv8q]"...rub off on guys who are maybe thinking about their stats" (Yeah, that wass the problem with the 2009 Mets. Andy Green and Emil Brown were only tinking about their stats."

[/*:m:iw50yv8q]
[*:iw50yv8q]Mets are "...a bunch of individuals"

[/*:m:iw50yv8q]
[*:iw50yv8q]"role model"

[/*:m:iw50yv8q]
[*:iw50yv8q]"grinds it out every day"

[/*:m:iw50yv8q]
[*:iw50yv8q]"fire and passion"

[/*:m:iw50yv8q]
[*:iw50yv8q]"like a little kid"[/*:m:iw50yv8q][/list:u:iw50yv8q]

If he said "throw-back," I was gonna holla. My favorite: ""This guy is a baseball player." Uh... great, we have too many welders, tapdancers, and accountants as it is.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 01 2010 12:51 PM
Re: Bay Reactions

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Jeff Pearlman's thought process here seems to run like so:
4) I've heard CitiField is huge and kills HR numbers (NOTE: It doesn't.).
5) Jason Bay may have a tough time, then.



One fairly obvious point that most of these Citi-Field-is murder-on-HR's-and-will-be-bad-for-Bay articles still manage to omit is that if CF truly is a bad HR park (and personally, I think it is, despite last year's home-road splits, which I'm aware of), then the stadium will negate a lot of other HR's, including Met oppponents' HR's -- not just Bay's.

Bay hit at least 20 road HR's in two of the last four seasons. Only five players hit more road HR's than Bay in 2009. Bay was also 7th in road HR's in 2006 (Beltran was 3rd that year). The Mets should expect more of that, barring an injury or an unanticipated and premature deterioration in skills.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 01 2010 01:21 PM
Re: Bay Reactions

[quote="batmagadanleadoff"][quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Jeff Pearlman's thought process here seems to run like so:
4) I've heard CitiField is huge and kills HR numbers (NOTE: It doesn't.).
5) Jason Bay may have a tough time, then.



One fairly obvious point that most of these Citi-Field-is murder-on-HR's-and-will-be-bad-for-Bay articles still manage to omit is that if CF truly is a bad HR park (and personally, I think it is, despite last year's home-road splits, which I'm aware of), then the stadium will negate a lot of other HR's, including Met oppponents' HR's -- not just Bay's.

Bay hit at least 20 road HR's in two of the last four seasons. Only five players hit more road HR's than Bay in 2009. Bay was also 7th in road HR's in 2006 (Beltran was 3rd that year). The Mets should expect more of that, barring an injury or an unanticipated and premature deterioration in skills.

Even if you grant his premise that CF suppresses RH power (I think you and I disagree on this), there's absolutely nothing in here that's Bay-specific. Pearlman could have written the same article-- and I mean, he could literally write the EXACT same article, with just one substitute paragraph and a find-and-switch command to cover the rest-- had they signed Holliday or Dye, or traded for Ibanez, Lee, Manny or Ryan F-ing Braun.

Edgy DC
Jan 01 2010 01:34 PM
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And seriously, would you, I, Pearlman, joelmon, Francessa, Heyman, or anybody seriously buy into it if the Mets explicitly decided to forgo making anything but cosmetic roster changes this offseason and instead focused on moving the outfield walls in --- and somehow tried to pass that off as the better way to close the competitive gap?

Ashie62
Jan 01 2010 03:46 PM
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[quote="Edgy DC":2j6k5jyo]That last sentence of LWFS's is well put.

A good editor: "Jeff, if the issue is the walls --- and I'll accept that for the sake of argument --- well, what the hell does that have to do with Foster?"

A bad editor: "George Foster --- cool, let me have design dig up some file photos."

Sean Casey's been popping up all over plugging Bay's white-guy values (to say nothing of Dave Magadan's "lunch-pail guy"):

[list:2j6k5jyo][*:2j6k5jyo]"Gamer."

[/*:m:2j6k5jyo]
[*:2j6k5jyo]"Comes to play every night!"

[/*:m:2j6k5jyo]
[*:2j6k5jyo]"...rub off on guys who are maybe thinking about their stats" (Yeah, that was the problem with the 2009 Mets. Andy Green and Emil Brown were only tinking about their stats.)

[/*:m:2j6k5jyo]
[*:2j6k5jyo]Mets are "...a bunch of individuals"

[/*:m:2j6k5jyo]
[*:2j6k5jyo]"role model"

[/*:m:2j6k5jyo]
[*:2j6k5jyo]"grinds it out every day"

[/*:m:2j6k5jyo]
[*:2j6k5jyo]"fire and passion"

[/*:m:2j6k5jyo]
[*:2j6k5jyo]"like a little kid"[/*:m:2j6k5jyo][/list:u:2j6k5jyo]

If he said "throw-back," I was gonna holla. My favorite: "This guy is a baseball player." Uh... great, we have too many welders, tapdancers, and accountants as it is.[/quote:2j6k5jyo]


But does the world have enough lapdancers?

Edgy DC
Jan 25 2010 07:39 AM
Re: Bay Reactions

So, in a Met-like soap opera, the Jason Bay situation just won't die in Boston, as more information leaks each day about the Sox negotiations being done from a point of view of health worries.

I'm sort of surprised this hasn't blown up in New York, as it's exactly the kind of thing that could be blown out of proportion on an otherwise slow news day (and there have been a lot of those in Metsville, and presumably a lot more now that Jetsville is shut down for the season).

Anyhow, Bay took to the airwaves to clear the air (http://www.nesn.com/2010/01/jason-bay-s ... d-sox.html), but what he acknowledges (Sox wanted to force him into OR? Really?) can only cloud it up for the Mets.

The contrast between the two controlling organizations is stark --- the Sox alienating a slugger by telling him to have surgery when he isn't hurt, the Mets alienating a slugger by telling him not to when he is --- though I don't know what it means.

metirish
Jan 25 2010 07:44 AM
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But didn't Bay get two more opinions after the Sox Doctor and said he in fact did not need surgery?

I didn't click on your link but I've been following this story.

Edgy DC
Jan 25 2010 07:48 AM
Re: Bay Reactions

That's there. But the Sox still continued to hold the fourth year of his contract as health contingent.

The Mets, perhaps, have come to accept paying for four years and getting three as something of a break-even point with long-term contracts.

Frayed Knot
Jan 25 2010 12:07 PM
Re: Bay Reactions

btw, at the moment it's pick #56 in next year's draft that we gave up to sign Bay.
That could still move a slot or two higher as some supplemental kick in but nothing more than that.