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Willets Point
Jan 02 2010 12:56 PM

Remember how Edgy used to keep running thread of the standings of the basketball teams from the colleges attended by CPF'ers? I think we need to do that again mainly because my alma mater is kicking ass and taking names: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/ind ... =katz_andy. No, I never paid attention to basketball when I was in college. Yes, I am a bandwagon jumper.

Edgy DC
Jan 02 2010 01:21 PM
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Thanks for remembering. But, by remembering, you're volunteering to keep track of the standings, I think. Anyhow, the Jaspers of my nurturing mother Manhattan Colllege have made history as Kevin Laue has hit a free throw to become the first known one-handed player in NCAA history to score a point.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 02 2010 02:20 PM
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We're 0-9 for the first time in school history, got annihilated by Duke yesterday (as well as Davidson and Albany in the last two weeks) and just fired our coach Glen Miller in favor of former star/first-year assistant coach Jerome Allen. So, yeah-- AWESOME time for this. Go Quakers!

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 02 2010 02:44 PM
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The NYU Violets (yes, the Violets!) are 6-2. (And yes, I had to look it up. I haven't been following them at all. Ever.) I remember working in the University book store, and customers would come in, wanting to buy some athletic souvenirs (sweatshirts, mugs, whatever) and they'd ask me the name of the school team. When I'd tell them it was the Violets, they'd just turn around and leave the store. I had thought that they changed the name at some point to the Bobcats but that doesn't seem to be the case. I think the mascot is a Bobcat, named after the school's electronic library catalog. (The Bobst Library Catalog) I was at NYU when Bobcat was implemented, replacing the old fashioned card catalogs that featured actual cards in drawers. It was pretty cutting edge at the time.

themetfairy
Jan 02 2010 02:51 PM
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My daughter is a junior at NYU, and in her time there the mascot has been known as the Bobcat (gotta love a mascot named after the library catalog ). They don't mention the Violets at all these days. ON EDIT - I concede BG. The teams are known as the Violets, but the mascot is the Bobcat But, FWIW, as an NYU Parent I hear a lot of references to the Bobcats, but never to the Violets.

Swan Swan H
Jan 02 2010 03:37 PM
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It's a barnburner in Hempstead as my Hofstra Pride and Willets' Tribe are tied at 41 with 7:27 left in the game.

Chad Ochoseis
Jan 02 2010 04:02 PM
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I would have enjoyed this thread much more in 2005, when Bucknell was knocking Kansas out of the NCAA tournament. http://www.bucknellbison.com/sports/m-b ... 05aab.html 5-9 this season, with the first conference game coming up next Saturday against Navy.

Fman99
Jan 02 2010 05:19 PM
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Syracuse is my adopted team as I only attended D-III schools in my lifetime. I did have a job interview once at SU so we'll count that then.

themetfairy
Jan 02 2010 05:35 PM
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Rutgers vs. Cincinnati will be on SNY tonight. The Rutgers Women beat DePaul this afternoon. Go Freakin' Rutgers!

seawolf17
Jan 02 2010 07:05 PM
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Fman and I went to DIII Geneseo, who are a whopping 1-4, 1-1 so far. So we'll pass on them. YOUR Stony Brook Seawolves, however, are 9-5, 1-0 with their conference W over Boston University today. Bring on the America East championship, baby!

DocTee
Jan 02 2010 07:48 PM
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D3 for me, too...and now I work at an NAIA institution (and D3, there, too!) Can't get much lower on the competitive ladder than that.

themetfairy
Jan 02 2010 08:13 PM
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Rutgers lost to Cincy tonight. 9-4 overall, 0-1 in the Big East.

HahnSolo
Jan 03 2010 03:28 PM
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Fordham sucks. We have two wins all year, we fired our coach (bye bye Dereck Whittenburg, hello Jared Grasso!) we just got pasted by Kenesaw State (really), and we are the laughing stock of the Atlantic 10. And we will continue to suck as long as our under-achieving Athletic Director is allowed to stay in office. 24 years and counting of ineptitude from Frank McLaughlin. New York is my campus. Fordham is my school. And my athletic department is a joke.

Edgy DC
Jan 03 2010 04:13 PM
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Well, it ain't Fordham alone that's had a rough couple of decades, but most of the programs in NYC. Since Lou Carnesecca's retirement and Redmen changing their name, the war for prominince on the NYC hardwood has been a war of attrition. Occasionally, Manhattan has peeked into the national scene, but that's always been a mixed blessing --- because a higher-profile program always steals their coach away. SJU has landed the occasional high-end recruit and high-end coach, but has been hard-pressed to find the formula that allows them to vie for success in one of the top conferences in the country, while they're trumped by the whole conference in terms of student housing and facilities. Sucks to see so many generations of New York schoolboy stars go to far-off posts like Georgia Tech and UNLV to star. I think part of the answer could be to replace the MSG Holiday Classic with an eight-team All-NYC Tournament. Burough against burough, neighborhod against neighborhood --- it could be a great recruiting tool.

MFS62
Jan 03 2010 04:21 PM
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CCNY is currently 4-7. (sigh) Since the local CT papers (or the suburban editions of the NY papers) don't carry the CCNY scores, I'll have to check their website every once in a while to report here. Later

Gwreck
Jan 03 2010 04:30 PM
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Northwestern is one of the few D1 teams to have never made the NCAA tournament before...but it looks like this could indeed be the year. We cracked national top-25 rankings this week for the first time in 40 years (!). Nothing shameful about losing to Michigan State but our overtime loss to Illinois last Wednesday hurt. Still, the 'Cats are 10-3 and while I don't think we come in ahead of Purdue, Michigan State or Ohio State, 4th or 5th place in the Big Ten (and a tournament berth) are very much in play.

Valadius
Jan 03 2010 05:23 PM
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The GW Colonials are 10-3 so far this season, a marked improvement over their last two crapfest years.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 03 2010 05:24 PM
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Hens are 5-8, and looking forward to whupping Willets Point U this week.

DocTee
Jan 03 2010 05:40 PM
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The Brooklyn (College) Bridges are 5-4 and looking forward to pasting MFS62's alma mater of the 20th. Poor Man's Harvard v. former NCAA/NIT champs.

Methead
Jan 03 2010 05:54 PM
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[quote="Fman99"]Syracuse is my adopted team as I only attended D-III schools in my lifetime.

Same here, although I grew up a few miles from the city, and much like everyone else from the area, I've been following SU sports for as long as I can remember. I got accepted to SU but decided to go somewhere a little farther from home. The D-III school I went to is actually doing pretty well so far this year. They were never any good at hoops when I went there.

smg58
Jan 03 2010 05:55 PM
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SJU tanked late at home against Providence. So much for thinking this year would be better. How many weeks till pitchers and catchers?

soupcan
Jan 04 2010 07:54 AM
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Syracuse U. - alum and fan. They are the one team I root for that is consistently successful and can be counted on more times than not to actually win the 'big' game.

Centerfield
Jan 04 2010 08:20 AM
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I started rooting for Syracuse long before I went to college, but my alma mater is also kicking ass. The Cornell Big Red are 12-2 this season (only losses coming to Big East teams Syracuse and Seton Hall). We knocked off St. John's at the Garden, and at one point, Jim Boeheim said we were the best team they had faced all year. Along with Harvard, we are changing how teams view the Ivy this year. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/clubhouse?teamId=172

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 04 2010 08:56 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 04 2010 09:39 AM

[quote="DocTee"]D3 for me, too...and now I work at an NAIA institution (and D3, there, too!) Can't get much lower on the competitive ladder than that.

Do they still wear actual jerseys, or do they just go shirts-n'-skins? Oh, and now we're 0-10! Stop, turn around immediately, then Go, Quakers! (Oh, and F your Big Red, CF.)

DocTee
Jan 04 2010 09:26 AM
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Do they still wear actual jerseys, or do they just go shirts-n'-skins
? We do make at least one top-ten list: [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/travel/news/story?id=3224604

TransMonk
Jan 04 2010 12:59 PM
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I've got the Badgers of Wisconsin: 12-2, #17 AP in the nation and #1 (for now) in the Big Ten. Wins over Duke, Maryland and Ohio State.

Rockin' Doc
Jan 04 2010 08:04 PM
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The WVU Tech Golden Bears are 10-3 heading into the New Year. They along with close to 300 smaller colleges and universities comprise the NAIA. The schools may be small, but occasionally some big talent can be found suiting up at the member schools. Sedale Threatt was the star player during my years there and he had a nice long tenure in the NBA.

themetfairy
Jan 06 2010 07:08 PM
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Rutgers got killed by West Virginia this evening. Fugly....

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 06 2010 08:55 PM
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You win this time, Willets:
Blue Hens lose to Tribe in wild OT By KEVIN TRESOLINI, THE NEWS JOURNAL • January 6, 2010 NEWARK -- William & Mary erased a seven-point deficit in the final 20 seconds of overtime and stunned the University of Delaware 74-73 in a Colonial Athletic Association men's basketball game at the Carpenter Center tonight. Delaware (5-10 overall, 1-3 CAA) saw its 11-game win streak against William & Mary end. William & Mary, which has won at Wake Forest and Maryland in nonconference play, improved to 11-3, 3-1. All four of its CAA games have been decided by one point. Delaware led 72-65 after Jawan Carter’s two free throws with 32 seconds left in OT. But JohnMark Ludwick made a 3-pointer with 19.2 seconds left and, after Delaware turned the ball over on the in-bounds, David Schneider threw in a three to make it 72-71 with 12.8 seconds remaining. Alphonso Dawson made the second of two free throws for Delaware with 12.2 seconds left, before Schneider delivered the game-winning three with 2.8 seconds left. Carter then missed a 3-point try from the top of the arc.

Centerfield
Jan 07 2010 07:28 AM
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Cornell scared the shit out of #1 Kansas yesterday, ultimately losing by 5. They were exchanging the lead in the final minute though. Crazy.

Edgy DC
Jan 07 2010 07:34 AM
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How did Cornell get such a harsh schedule?

soupcan
Jan 07 2010 08:06 AM
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[quote="Edgy DC":2glnp5m2]How did Cornell get such a harsh schedule?[/quote:2glnp5m2] Seriously - already played Alabama, UMass, Seton Hall, Syracuse, St. Joe's, St. John's, Kansas, Davidson, LaSalle, Bucknell & Drexel. Throw in 2 games against Harvard and that schedule is a bear for any school, let alone an Ivy. They've won them all except the Seton Hall, Syracuse and Kansas games.

Centerfield
Jan 07 2010 08:15 AM
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No idea. It could be they play this type of schedule every year (I know 'Cuse-Cornell is an annual thing) but we're only noticing it this year because they've been competitive.

Frayed Knot
Jan 07 2010 08:25 AM
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The thing is, as an Ivy League school, Cornell is going to advance (or not) to the NCAA tourney based solely on their performance in their league play and so even losses in these games won't, in effect, 'count against them'. Schools from bigger conferences, on the other hand, who have plans on playing meaningful games in March, need good non-conference records for at-large bids to kick in even if they finish 4th, 5th, 6th, or even 7th in their league, something that tends to make them much more shy about scheduling too tough an O-of-C sked. In the meantime, Cornell is not only challenging itself against stiff competition but probably raking in nice bucks from some those games, particularly the ones on the road.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 07 2010 09:14 AM
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Prior to the start of their conference schedule, Jim Boeheim said that Cornell was the second-best team Syracuse played so far this season, second only to North Carolina.

Fman99
Jan 07 2010 10:17 AM
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What was great was that as we filtered out of the Dome after the SU game last night they announced the halftime score of the Cornell/KU game over the PA. Got a nice cheer from the Syracuse crowd.

Willets Point
Jan 07 2010 10:52 AM
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[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]You win this time, Willets:

Apparently just this time:
Delaware (5-10 overall, 1-3 CAA) saw its 11-game win streak against William & Mary end.

Rockin' Doc
Jan 07 2010 04:36 PM
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[quote="soupcan":ok8ja49u][quote="Edgy DC":ok8ja49u]How did Cornell get such a harsh schedule?[/quote:ok8ja49u] Seriously - already played Alabama, UMass, Seton Hall, Syracuse, St. Joe's, St. John's, Kansas, Davidson, LaSalle, Bucknell & Drexel. Throw in 2 games against Harvard and that schedule is a bear for any school, let alone an Ivy. They've won them all except the Seton Hall, Syracuse and Kansas games.[/quote:ok8ja49u] Cornell definitely isn't ducking anyone, but they aren't alone when it comes to taking on the big boys. Look at the gauntlet of heavyweights that Long Beach State has endured this year. The 49ers have squared off against Notre Dame, West Virginia, Clemson, UCLA, Texas, Kentucky, & Duke and even managed a win over UCLA. Their coach says it is a great learning experience for his players to play against the elite programs and after facing Texas, Kentucky, and Duke there is nothing their conference opponents (Cal State Fullerton, UC Irvine, UC Riverside, et al) can do to intimidate his team.

soupcan
Jan 08 2010 09:35 AM
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Geez, man - what's up with the Ivies this season? Scholar athletes abound...
January 8, 2010 Top 3-Point Shooter From Downtown Plays in Upper Manhattan By BRIAN HEYMAN Columbia's sophomore shooting guard Noruwa Agho is 36 of 61 from 3-point range this season. There was a garbage can playing the part of a defender along the right part of the 3-point stripe. Noruwa Agho crouched over, the basketball in his hands. He made a quick dart to his left and released a rainbow from beyond the arc that swished through the net. This snapshot of Agho working on his game came Monday night inside Columbia’s Levien Gymnasium. This was more than a half-hour after the Lions defeated American, 56-51. This was after he had poured 33 minutes of sweat into the victory and 21 points through the net. Agho nailed all three of his 3-point attempts. The top 3-point percentage shooter in Division I, for those with at least 2.5 made per game, plays for Columbia, and that is Agho, a 6-foot-3 sophomore shooting guard. There is a reason for his fabulous 59 percent accuracy, for 36 of his 61 3-point attempts to have hit the target in the Lions’ 6-7 start. “He has the best work ethic of any kid I’ve been around,” Columbia Coach Joe Jones said. “He just lives in the gym.” The Agho name may not sound that familiar yet, but the secret is starting to get out. He is attracting more attention from opponents. Agho is averaging 51.9 percent over all from the field and a team-high 17.9 points, with seven games of at least 20 points. He ranks third among Ivy League scorers after averaging 9.1 last season. “He’s made big strides,” American Coach Jeff Jones said. “You look at the percentage, and this far into the season, he’s a legitimate big-time shooter.” Agho, who is also first on the team in steals, dented Syracuse’s vaunted zone for 4 3-pointers and 22 points before about 20,000 fans at the Carrier Dome during a loss Nov. 27. It is that nation-leading 3-point touch for the nation’s leading team in 3-point percentage that separates him now. “It’s very ironic because I never really considered myself a shooter,” Agho said. “But I worked really hard at it the past spring and summer. I think our offense is little bit more geared toward 3-point shooting. I’ve just been putting in the effort and trying to concentrate each game and take every shot seriously.” Issa Mase, his sophomore teammate, best friend and workout partner, sees that focus all the time. “He’s his own biggest critic,” Mase said. “Sometimes he gets so down on himself. He has to be perfect.” His father, Dr. Peter Agho, calls him “driven.” Noruwa played soccer and baseball early on in a childhood spent mostly in Rockland County, N.Y. He was 9, maybe 10, when he told his father about a new game plan. “He said he wants to go to the N.B.A.,” his father said. “I said, well, we’ll see.” He began playing basketball day and night. The court was often the driveway at his New City house, where a basket stood. “It bugged my mom because me and my friends used to stay out there till after dark because we had a little light on the side of the house,” Agho said. “I had a couple of guys at home who I was really close to, and they loved basketball as much as me. We got to play a lot. It made it enjoyable. I think that’s why I work so hard today because I don’t really see it as a job.” Even though he became a McDonald’s all-American nominee at St. Joseph Regional High School in Montvale, N.J., he was playing as a 6-3 forward and felt unhappy with his Division I choices as a senior. That is why he attended the Peddie School in Hightstown, N.J. First, he gained more notice playing Amateur Athletic Union basketball that summer. One of Jones’s assistants at the time, Jim Engles, tried to land him. But Agho decided he was going to play at Yale for Coach James Jones, Joe’s brother. Then Engles showed Agho around Columbia. He fell in love with the place, the staff, the sense of community and the city location. So Joe Jones edged his brother in the recruiting game. “We lucked out,” he said. While the N.B.A. is still Agho’s dream, he is keeping his options open. He has an interest in stocks and economics, psychology and medicine as the son of a doctor and a nurse. “I don’t really know what the plan is for me,” Agho said. “I have tons of goals. At the end of each day, I really think I want to be as good as I can be because life is definitely more than a game. If I can provide good to the world through basketball or any other job, I’d love to do that.”

themetfairy
Jan 08 2010 09:43 AM
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Very cool! Thanks for posting Soup :)

seawolf17
Jan 28 2010 10:33 AM
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Could this be the year for Stony Brook? I say yes. http://www.lipulse.com/blog/article/sto ... enaissance
The best Division I men’s basketball program in the Metropolitan area? St. John’s used to own that title – easily. In the era of Lou Carnesecca and even Mike Jarvis, everyone else – from Hofstra to Manhattan – played in the shadows. And then there was Stony Brook. The Seawolves weren’t even an afterthought. They played in total darkness. An exaggeration, yes. But not far from the truth. Now here’s another truth: Stony Brook may have the surest path to the NCAA Tournament of any team in the area. The Seawolves improved to 14-7 after a 67-61 win over America East rival Albany on Sunday, Jan. 24, their best start since the 1991 season. Stony Brook’s growing pains are easy to understand. The Seawolves made the quantum leap from Division III to D-I status in 1999. Steve Pikiell earned America East coach of the year honors a year ago after guiding Stony Brook to a 16-14 season, its best yet. It’s a far cry from where the Seawolves once languished. “We were on probation my first two years,’’ Pikiell said. “That sums it up. We had scholarship limitations. We had the lowest GPA in the conference. We had the lowest [Academic Progress Rate] in the conference. We had seven scholarship players. Four ineligible guys. Do I need to go on any more? Not good.” Now in his fifth season, Pikiell and the Seawolves are on pace for a breakthrough run. Not only are his players winning on the court, but the program has recorded its highest GPA ever. And 19 of 20 players have graduated during Pikiell’s tenure. “It’s been quite a journey,’’ Pikiell said. Aside from Iona (15-6), no D-I program in the area has more momentum heading into February. Certainly none is more underrated. Forget for a moment that Stony Brook has actually played – and lost – to St. John’s and Fordham this season. The Seawolves are making it count where it matters most – conference play. Stony Brook already beat first-place Vermont on the road last week and is 8-1 at home. Stony Brook leads the conference in scoring margin (4.9), is tied for the lead in steals (7.7) and second in turnover margin (2) and rebound margin (2.7). Collectively, the stats show a team that stresses the fundamentals and plays gritty man-to-man defense. It’s time to stop overlooking the Seawolves. Stony Brook’s next game is Saturday, Jan. 30 at Pritchard Gymnasium. The women play Hartford at 4 p.m. followed by the men’s game against Boston University at 7 p.m. The school is billing the doubleheader as a “Celebration of Basketball.” The teams will welcome back basketball alumni and salute 1,000 point scorers from the past. Sophomore point guard Bryan Dougher may join that group someday. He has certainly energized the Seawolves the last two seasons. Even during slumps. His three-pointer with 1:08 left against Albany on Sunday broke a tie at 58 and snapped an 0-for-9 start for the guard. It’s an infusion of young talent driving the Seawolves. Dougher is one of three sophomores in the starting rotation. And two more are the first subs off the bench. “It’s been a great class,’’ Pikiell said. “I have the leading rebounder in the conference in Tommy Brenton. He’s been the leading rebounder since day one. The first game of his freshman year he had 16 rebounds. Bryan Dougher is one of the top five scorers in the league and he’s the best three-point shooter in the conference. And I have a big guy in the post in Dallis Joyner who is moving up to the league lead in double-doubles.” Muhammad El-Amin is the lone senior. And Pikiell has more talent stocked on the roster. Freshman Marcus Rouse scored 17 points off the bench against Albany. After years of frustration, miscalculation and misfires, Stony Brook men’s basketball matters. We’ll see how much at the America East Tournament from March 4-13 in Hartford. A big finish earns the Seawolves the ultimate reward – a berth in the NCAA Tournament.

TransMonk
Jan 28 2010 11:16 AM
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I just got the Seawolf thing. That took long enough.

TransMonk
Feb 03 2010 08:23 AM
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Per ESPN: With [Tuesday night's] victory, Wisconsin joined Syracuse (No. 4 ESPN/USA Today, No. 3 AP) as the only teams with three wins over Top 10 opponents this season... The difference between Wisconsin and Syracuse is that Wisconsin's Top 10 wins were actually all against Top 5 teams. Snap.

MFS62
Feb 03 2010 09:55 AM
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I thought that UCONN had it together when they beat Kentucky. Apparently not to be. Oh, and CCNY has lost its last 7 games to drop to 6-14. Later

soupcan
Feb 03 2010 10:14 AM
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[quote="MFS62"]I thought that UCONN had it together when they beat Kentucky. Apparently not to be.

UConn didn't beat Kentucky, Kentucky beat UConn.

MFS62
Feb 03 2010 10:24 AM
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[quote="soupcan"][quote="MFS62"]I thought that UCONN had it together when they beat Kentucky. Apparently not to be.

UConn didn't beat Kentucky, Kentucky beat UConn. You are correct, sir. I knew they beat the #1 team. But that team at the time was Texas. BTW - do you know which team beat the Kentucky team by the widest margin in Wildcat history? It happened in 1950: http://www.nit.org/history/nit-postseas ... 1950s.html Later

soupcan
Feb 22 2010 01:06 PM
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Bring it Seawolf!

seawolf17
Feb 22 2010 06:18 PM
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Oh, believe me. We're bringing it. HUGE game against Vermont Wednesday night, then we have to make it through the conference tourney. We're all stepping on eggshells around campus, afraid to jinx our run. Bracketology keeps putting us as a 15 or 16, and I'm okay with that. I'd prefer a 15 -- and if they can continue this run, maybe the bracketeers will do just that.

soupcan
Feb 22 2010 07:58 PM
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15s are definitely better. Not unheard of for a 15 to knock off a 2 (believe me, I know) but a 16 has never beaten a 1. I'm pulling for you guys.

seawolf17
Feb 24 2010 08:50 PM
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Damn, that was a good time tonight. http://www.twitvid.com/692CA (Tried to embed that, but I guess this board won't take twitvid embeds.) America East champions for the first time in school history. Guarantees at least a spot in the NIT, and if we win the conference tournament, the chance to get blown out by Duke or Syracuse in the first round of the NCAA tournament.

soupcan
Feb 25 2010 07:18 AM
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[quote="seawolf17"]America East champions for the first time in school history. Guarantees at least a spot in the NIT, and if we win the conference tournament, the chance to get blown out by Duke or Syracuse in the first round of the NCAA tournament.

Congrats to Stony Brook! Think positive! If the Seawolves get a 16, history isn't really on your side... 92-0 - The all-time record of top seeds against No. 16 seeds in the first round. However, there have been LOTS of close 1 -v- 16 games that could've resulted in a major upset. Those games are not always blowouts. And then you've got this... 88-4 - The record of No. 2s against No. 15 seeds in the first round. It pains me to say it, but 2 of those losses have been at Syracuse's expense. So you never know...