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Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

Kong76
Jan 01 2010 01:28 PM

I'd sell my soul for rock 'n roll and even carry Geezer's bass
case to be able to work an SG like Iommi in the dvd Heaven
and Hell Live from Radio City.

Edgy DC
Jan 02 2010 06:58 AM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

Wow, Kase is going to get SG skillz next Tuesday.

What's interesting is that, while the look is iconic, not a lot of great ones step out with the SG as their first guitar out of the box. Iconic --- but not great --- players, like Angus Young, certainly love them.

I can think of Iommi and Derek Trucks, primarily. I guess the Allmans all liked them --- Dickey Betts used one and Duane Allman played slide on one, as did George Harrison. Clapton used one with Cream, but not much since (again, I think it was the look he liked). Early Pete Townsend, when he was cool but before he could play that well, used one. Maybe it just has the action to be a good slide guitar.

I don't like the Doors much, but Robby Krieger used one, right? I think Carlos Santana is playing on in the Woodstock movie also (?).

My favorite SG-first user: Elliott Easton.

Edgy DC
Jan 02 2010 08:09 AM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

Iommi:


Derek Trucks:


Duane Allman:

(Most Dickie Betts shots I found had him with a Les Paul, so I guess I was wrong about him being an SG afficionado.)

George Harrison:

(Red seems to be the color of preference.)

Clapton's psychedelic SG from his Cream days:


Young Pete:


Robbie Krieger:

(It looks like Krieger, like Iommi, was/is a full-time SG user.)

Carlos Santana at Woodstock:


Elliot Easton:

(Easton usually played a blue one. Like Iommi, he played it lefthand, but made it too far.)

Speaking of lefthanders:

(Jimi, obviously, was more well-known as a Strat man.)

And, of course, the SG's greatest poster chiild:

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 02 2010 12:03 PM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

Those goddamn things are awesome lookin'. Love the little devil horns.

Widest neck on a guitar I've ever owned that wasn't a Spanish-style, nylon-string acoustic.

Kong76
Jan 02 2010 12:52 PM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

I don't know how they get away with this on youtube but ...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqRRBtQsw3w

themetfairy
Jan 02 2010 12:59 PM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

Kong76 wrote:
I don't know how they get away with this on youtube but ...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqRRBtQsw3w


It'll stay up until someone asks them to take it down.

Fman99
Jan 02 2010 01:06 PM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

I wonder if Trucks is playing one of Duane's old axes in those pics.

Kong76
Jan 02 2010 01:08 PM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

In my next life I'm sportin' a fro like that bongo playin' dude.

Edgy DC
Jan 02 2010 01:15 PM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

Why wait?

metsguyinmichigan
Jan 02 2010 08:47 PM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

The H&H live CD is great -- ever greater after I was able to delete all Ronnie's between song chatter and intros. I just wish he didn't talk so much at the beginning of "Heaven and Hell."

Saw that lineup on the original tour -- they were with Blue Oyster Cult on the "Black and Blue Tour."

TransMonk
Jan 04 2010 04:27 PM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

Iommi:


Derek Trucks:


Duane Allman:

(Most Dickie Betts shots I found had him with a Les Paul, so I guess I was wrong about him being an SG afficionado.)

George Harrison:

(Red seems to be the color of preference.)

Clapton's psychedelic SG from his Cream days:


Young Pete:


Robbie Krieger:

(It looks like Krieger, like Iommi, was/is a full-time SG user.)

Carlos Santana at Woodstock:


Elliot Easton:

(Easton usually played a blue one. Like Iommi, he played it lefthand, but made it too far.)

Speaking of lefthanders:

(Jimi, obviously, was more well-known as a Strat man.)

And, of course, the SG's greatest poster chiild:


TransMonk:

Edgy DC
Jan 04 2010 05:14 PM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

Very... very... very cool.

Is the SG your favorite date? What are it's plusses and minuses and why does it seem so many guys use it as a secondary or tertiary guitar and/or graduate from it? Am I right in guessing that it's good for slide playing?

TransMonk
Jan 04 2010 06:13 PM
Re: Apropos of nothing thread 2010

The SG is a great live guitar. It is not my favorite date, but it is up there. It's pros often come with cons. It's lightweight and smallish which makes it easy to lug around and sling over your shoulder for a few hours, but it sometimes feels flimsy compared to a Strat or a Les Paul. It has a great tone, but that tone is a little one-dimensional for some applications. Gibsons are weird in that, in my experience, if you have 2 on stage together, you really have to work to get the sounds of the 2 not to blend into mush. As far as it being a second-tier guitar...I don't know. I think it is definitely behind the Les Paul as far as Gibson popularity goes. SG's offer a lot more crunch than the bluesy, deep sound of a Les Paul, not too much unlike the comparison between a Stratocaster and a Telecaster. Never tried a slide...but mow I will.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 04 2010 07:22 PM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

James Gurley (Big Brother & The Holding Company) created one of Rock and Roll's most distinctive sounds on the SG. His death last week was not noted on the Bring Out Your Dead Thread. (video below)

http://music-mix.ew.com/2009/12/25/james-gurley-dies/

TransMonk
Jan 05 2010 01:13 PM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

Nels Cline with what may be my next guitar purchase.



It's a custom guitar made by a friend I have in Iowa. It has a built in delay and fuzz. My bandmate has one and it's pretty f'n cool. It doesn't hurt that it's getting pub from members of Wilco and Sonic Youth.

Methead
Jan 05 2010 01:27 PM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

Frank Zappa played a couple SG's for a while in the mid-70's > early 80's...


He began using a modified Gibson SG with a full body pick guard and a white headstock. Some of the modifications on this guitar contain: Active Filter-circuits, various onboard preamps (at different stages in life), and phase switching. This guitar was pictured on the cover of the “Roxy & Elsewhere” album, and hence has been named “The Roxy SG”.


While playing a show in Phoenix in the 70’s, “some guy” sneaked backstage and sold Frank a “Gibson” SG for $500. Though the guitar wasn’t a Gibson, it had the Gibson name on the headstock and from a distance, it looked like a normal SG. Closer inspection shows some non-standard Gibson features. The most visible and obvious would be the numerous knobs and switches put on the guitar. Other features included ornamental woodwork and special inlays. This is the guitar I know most about. The inlays consisted of smaller than usual Gibson dot inlays, including a Star inlay at the fifth fret and what appears to be eyes or something of similar design on the twelfth. The guitar also featured 23 frets, instead of 22, which the Gibson is known for. The addition of this fret pushed the neck pickup back a bit, giving it a more unique sound. The pickups were special made, but not much more is known. The guitar seems to have employed a vibrola-style tremolo at one point, but it was removed and a stop-bar tailpiece was put in its place. Some features of the electronics of the guitar include a Dan Armstrong Green Ringer circuit, phase switching, an onboard preamp for 18db boost on output, and maybe even coil-tapping switches. This guitar, along with the “inoffensive” Pignose amp (more on that below), was the rig used to record Over-nite Sensation and Apostrophe(‘) and also makes an appearance on the film “Baby Snakes”, hence the name “Baby Snakes SG”.

(above content lifted from here)

Kong76
Jan 10 2010 09:49 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

I'd sell my soul if I could play mandolin like John Paul Jones
too ... just saying.

(watching the acoustic set of Going to Cali, That's the Way,
and Bron Yr Aur Stomp 1975 from Earls court)

Ashie62
Jan 12 2010 11:49 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

The beauty of the SG is its' light weight..You can almost 'bully" the sound out of it..

My favorite is the 1959 Les paul TV Special..one P-90 Soapbar pickup..It was mustard colored to negate the glare of the TV lights and if lucky many finishes cracked in a beautiful alligator pattern.

TransMonk
Apr 09 2010 03:57 PM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

My SG was out of commission for a while (one of the tuning pegs broke off). I had been substituting with a Les Paul. I got new pegs put on the SG and played it after not using it for a few weeks.

I'm ready to go on record saying it is currently my favorite axe to play. I truly missed it while it wasn't around.

Ashie62
Apr 09 2010 06:52 PM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

There is no substitute for a 1959 Les Paul Special with the P-90 "soapbar" pick up through a Fender Twin amp...none

TransMonk
Jun 30 2010 07:55 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

Rockin' the SG in Michigan on Sunday:







Edgy DC
Jun 30 2010 08:01 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

I want to give you my groupielove right now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jun 30 2010 08:04 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

That guy in a suit is like, "Excellent! But you're standing on my plate of fried clams!"

themetfairy
Jun 30 2010 08:41 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

Very cool!

Edgy DC
Jul 21 2010 07:44 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 21 2010 07:48 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

Edgy DC wrote:


KISStory is made.

Edgy DC
Jul 21 2010 08:05 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

You could probably write in the caption "Baldwin, Long Island, circa 1979" without much help from me.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 21 2010 08:13 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

What's the insignia on the bass drum?

Gotta love the little fort in the background. Simmons Jr. no doubt was playing there until "Destroyer" came out kickstarted puberty and bad taste.

Edgy DC
Jul 21 2010 08:23 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

I don't know what the insignia on the drum is, but the band was called Red Dune. My friend Sean (it was his brothers' band) tells this story so well, I (1) sometimes think I was there, and (2) split my sides with laughter every time he tells it.

Suffice to say that SG Boy caught fire moments after this shot was taken. He began running in terror and might have gone full Richard Pryor hadn't the adult taking this photo (the lone one present?) lept from the roof of the house, shedding his raincoat in mid-air and smothering the flames from the smoldering adolescent demon.

Adding to this amazement is that the whole thing was caught with decent quality on audiotape. At the end, a 10-year-old Sean in the midst of a Peter Brady voice change walks up to the mic and says "Show's ova, folks."

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 16 2010 08:47 PM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

Brad Shepard of the Hoodoo Gurus played a nice white one.



Edgy DC
Oct 16 2010 08:55 PM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

Had a Les Paul in the wings but never brought it out.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 23 2010 07:26 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

From my inbox this morning


Gibson Guitars is Granted Injunction for Trademark Infringing Paper Guitars
LOS ANGELES- - Gibson Guitar Corp. was granted a request for an injunction against WOWWEE USA Inc, the makers of Paper Jamz, and its retailers, which include Wal-Mart, Amazon.com, Big Lots Stores, K Mart Corporation, Target Corporation, Toys “R” Us- Delaware Inc, Walgreen Co., Brookstone Company, Best Buy Co. Inc, eBay Inc, Toywiz Inc and HSN Inc.

The initial complaint, filed by Gibson Guitar Corp. on November 18, 2010, stated that the WOWWEE USA Inc produced Paper Jamz products wrongfully copy Gibson’s famous guitars, the LES PAUL®, FLYING V®, EXPLORER® and SG®. Gibson states that they intend to remain aggressive in protecting such trademarks, as it relates to its guitar shapes and designs and that it is of the highest priority to protect a consumer’s right to purchase an authentic Gibson guitar, regardless of the form.

The granted injunction indicates that Gibson Guitar Corp. would be irreparably harmed by the continued sale of the products and requires retailers to remove all included Paper Jamz models from their shelves immediately.

Gibson Guitar Corporation, founded in 1994 and Incorporated in 1902, is headquartered in Nashville, TN. It is the leading maker of acoustic and electric guitars. For more information about its products, please visit www.gibson.com .

Edgy DC
Dec 23 2010 07:42 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

"Founded in 1994 and incorporated in 1902." Nice.

metsguyinmichigan
Dec 23 2010 07:51 AM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

I've seen those Paper Jamz things in the stores. What do they do? I was guessing it was like air guitar without the air.

Fman99
Dec 23 2010 08:26 PM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
I've seen those Paper Jamz things in the stores. What do they do? I was guessing it was like air guitar without the air.


I'll have a better answer for you in a few days, I believe someone got Fboy one as an Xmas present this year.

Ashie62
Dec 23 2010 08:53 PM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

Fman99 wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
I've seen those Paper Jamz things in the stores. What do they do? I was guessing it was like air guitar without the air.


I'll have a better answer for you in a few days, I believe someone got Fboy one as an Xmas present this year.


It is a cardboard cutout guitar sized for children to play air guitar and destroy in a day. Damn it doesnt even look a Gibson, Fender or any active brand..sheesh..Must tougher in Michigan than I thought.

Hey Gibson, what are you doing with the Ephiphone line these days??

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 03 2011 07:23 PM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

Edgy DC wrote:
I don't know what the insignia on the drum is, but the band was called Red Dune. My friend Sean (it was his brothers' band) tells this story so well, I (1) sometimes think I was there, and (2) split my sides with laughter every time he tells it.

Suffice to say that SG Boy caught fire moments after this shot was taken. He began running in terror and might have gone full Richard Pryor hadn't the adult taking this photo (the lone one present?) lept from the roof of the house, shedding his raincoat in mid-air and smothering the flames from the smoldering adolescent demon.

Adding to this amazement is that the whole thing was caught with decent quality on audiotape. At the end, a 10-year-old Sean in the midst of a Peter Brady voice change walks up to the mic and says "Show's ova, folks."



are we doing the Craney Awards this year? If so, this is my nominee for post of the year.

Fman99
Jan 03 2011 08:18 PM
Re: Tony Iommi and the Gibson SG (split from Apropos)

Fboy shown rockin the Paper Jamz SG while his cousins accompany on drums and a Strat...