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Tatis on his way back?

metsguyinmichigan Jan 27 2010 06:51 PM

Cerrone is reporting that the Mets are one the verge of a deal with Tatis to bring him back to platoon with Murphy.

metirish Jan 27 2010 07:03 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Hard to see where this Carter lad is going to fit in.

Ashie62 Jan 27 2010 07:17 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

[quote="metsguyinmichigan":3k02t4qe]Cerrone is reporting that the Mets are one the verge of a deal with Tatis to bring him back to platoon with Murphy.[/quote:3k02t4qe] I think I'm gonna get sick

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 27 2010 07:55 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

[quote="metsguyinmichigan":31r3e0nm]Cerrone is reporting that the Mets are one the verge of a deal with Tatis to bring him back to platoon with Murphy.[/quote:31r3e0nm] Cerrone isn't reporting that, he's reporting that it's being reported, you printicidal maniac.

metsguyinmichigan Jan 27 2010 08:10 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":f5n1o1z0][quote="metsguyinmichigan":f5n1o1z0]Cerrone is reporting that the Mets are one the verge of a deal with Tatis to bring him back to platoon with Murphy.[/quote:f5n1o1z0] Cerrone isn't reporting that, he's reporting that it's being reported, you printicidal maniac.[/quote:f5n1o1z0] I sit corrected. Cerrone is "buzzing" that the New York Post is reporting that the Mets are on the verge of a deal with Tatis. And you'd think I'd be more sensitive to that considering I run around the room yelling when the local TV stations to that to my stories. And, sadly, I do it a lot.

Edgy DC Jan 27 2010 08:15 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Not just the New York Post, but Mike F. Puma --- a man who only calls himself "Mike Puma" because "Ted Sizemore" had already been taken. A Tatis contract would really be the death knell for Delgado, wouldn't it?

Ceetar Jan 27 2010 08:21 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

You'd think. I thought Delgado's limp was a death knell for his contract though, so why would something as inconsequential as signing a guy that can play first base stop them?

Edgy DC Jan 27 2010 08:26 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

I'm understainding that Delgado condition is what has stopped them, and the only relevance to Delgado of resigning more depth at the position is that it indicates to me that Delgado's condition has perhaps stopped them from looking at him.

Valadius Jan 27 2010 09:17 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Delgado wants to go back to Toronto, but they're not biting.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 27 2010 11:02 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

[quote="Edgy DC"]I'm understainding that Delgado condition is what has stopped them, and the only relevance to Delgado of resigning more depth at the position is that it indicates to me that Delgado's condition has perhaps stopped them from looking at him.

The Mets want Delgado. A good number of Mets fans want Delgado. Delgado seems to want the Mets.

His body had other ideas.

Tatis, presuming he's the same guy who took his uniform off last October, isn't a bad idea, overall-depth-wise.

metirish Jan 28 2010 06:40 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Delgado has hardly played in the field down in PR......he's broken

Centerfield Jan 28 2010 07:30 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Yes, but how will Delgado be in a month or two? This is crazy. We've gone from trying to sign guys who are good, to wanting to sign guys who might be good, and are now settling on signing guys who are not good.

Edgy DC Jan 28 2010 07:41 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Well, he's a small-change-makin' bench guy.

Centerfield Jan 28 2010 07:46 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

And if that's his role, I'm fine with this. But if the plan is to go with a Murphy-Tatis platoon at first, we're fucked.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2010 07:51 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

I think that platoon may come about, depending on how Murphy does against lefties. But hopefully they'll start the season with Murphy getting a chance to play every day, and, again hopefully, Murphy will play so well that he'll keep the everyday job.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 28 2010 07:54 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

My fear is that Tatis at some point will stop being an effective bench player, all bench players do. You know, he really wasn't very good when we had to rely on him to fill in early last year. Not that he is a terrible thing to have.

smg58 Jan 28 2010 08:01 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Tatis is hardly awful. Ronnie Belliard just got less than a million, so hopefully Tatis won't get more than him. Ryan Garko is still out there, though, and he's a much better hitter against lefthanded pitching.

Frayed Knot Jan 28 2010 08:05 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

The biggest problem with Tatis was that he was needed* at the plate nearly 700 times over the last two seasons. Cut that in half and we're in much better shape. * OK, I guess one could argue that his late '09 appearances at 1B instead of Evans weren't needed but you get the picture.

Edgy DC Jan 28 2010 08:07 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

The difference between righthanded platoon guy and bench player isn't large. I'm not sure how we're more fucked, at least intitially, with Tatis playing against lefties than we are with Murphy playing against them.

MFS62 Jan 28 2010 08:15 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

An adequate bench player. Nothing to get all excited about unless you wanted something better. But, for what he does (hit, with some power, and play multiple positions) there really isn't much out there. I'm ok with this. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 28 2010 08:31 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

[quote="smg58":12a1thrq]Tatis is hardly awful. Ronnie Belliard just got less than a million, so hopefully Tatis won't get more than him. Ryan Garko is still out there, though, and he's a much better hitter against lefthanded pitching.[/quote:12a1thrq] Garko also literally cannot do anything else (including play any other position, or field first base half-decently). More pertinently, Cora signed for 2M. Given that, and the fact that the Mets seem to be their own market, I expect Tatis might be signing for a similar amount.

attgig Jan 28 2010 08:32 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

here's to hoping ike makes it out of camp....

Edgy DC Jan 28 2010 08:35 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":2gy7u3mr][quote="smg58":2gy7u3mr]Tatis is hardly awful. Ronnie Belliard just got less than a million, so hopefully Tatis won't get more than him. Ryan Garko is still out there, though, and he's a much better hitter against lefthanded pitching.[/quote:2gy7u3mr] Garko also literally cannot do anything else (including play any other position, or field first base half-decently).[/quote:2gy7u3mr] And that's something. In this world of bloated pitching staves, versatility on the bench has a value.

Vic Sage Jan 28 2010 10:32 AM Re: Tatis on his way back?

i'm ok with this. Now go sign Bedard.

Edgy DC Jan 28 2010 12:22 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

[quote="Howard Megdal at Mike Silva's Baseball Digest":q3x0dtpf]Just for fun: in 2008-2009, Tatis has an OPS+ of 113. Jeff Francoeur, over that same span, has an OPS+ of 83.[/quote:q3x0dtpf]

TransMonk Jan 28 2010 12:25 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Francoeur has nearly double the PA as Tatis in that timeframe. Tatis' splits as a sub in 08-09 are better than those as a starter. Not that he would be an everyday player should he be signed for 2010, but comparing his ability to Francoeur's is apples/organges, IMO.

Nymr83 Jan 28 2010 12:32 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

I'm fine with bringing Tatis back, I'd rather see him platoon with Carter than Murphy, whom I've lost faith in.

Edgy DC Jan 28 2010 12:41 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

[quote="TransMonk":2rj5orlc]Francoeur has nearly double the PA as Tatis in that timeframe. Tatis' splits as a sub in 08-09 are better than those as a starter. Not that he would be an everyday player should he be signed for 2010, but comparing his ability to Francoeur's is apples/organges, IMO.[/quote:2rj5orlc] I don't know about apples and oranges --- they're both swinging a bat a major league pitching --- but he did say it was just for fun.

Ceetar Jan 28 2010 12:43 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

I know people disagree with this, but I didn't see much of value from Tatis defensively (especially at first) He seemed to have sure hands, so he tended not to make bad catches and throws, but in terms of fielding, getting to balls, etc, my impressions were not positive. And his versitility is extremely limited (speaking from a please please please no platoon please please standpoint), because Francoeur generally plays every day (and if he sits because he sucks, Tatis isn't the answer..) Bay will play pretty much every day and Pagan is better (assuming Beltran back by May), Cora's got 2B (and SS) Wright plays virtually every day, and if Murphy is really our 1B, he plays pretty much every day too. Maybe he'd get a couple more days out from the giving a young player some rest standpoint (something Manuel's never proven to understand too well, rest..). So while we do need a 1B/3B backup guy on the roster, that's really it. I'm not sure Tatis has that much power left, he does appear to be on the decline and it still bothers me that it took him months to fix his swing the way Keith told us he should since pretty much Spring..

batmagadanleadoff Jan 28 2010 01:02 PM Re: Tatis on his way back? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 28 2010 01:06 PM

[quote="Ceetar":2jejmoeh] "[Tatis'] versitility is extremely limited ... because ... Wright plays virtually every day, and if Murphy is really our 1B, he plays pretty much every day too.... So while we do need a 1B/3B backup guy on the roster, that's really it.... [/quote:2jejmoeh] I don't see how Tatis' versatility is limited because Wright plays most of the games. One has nothing to do with the other. Besides, wouldn't Wright's large workload affect whoever happens to be the backup third baseman? If you say that the team needs a backup that can play both first and third, then this would be a plus in Tatis' column -- wouldn't it? By the way, Murphy sucked last year. He was below league average in just about everything (and league average includes pitcher's hitting stats) and fared even worse when compared against players at his two positions, who tend to put up superior Al-Star/MVP type hitting numbers. In fact, one could argue that Murphy and Wright were bigger problems in 2009 than Tatis. (And Sheffield. Tatis and Sheffield.)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 28 2010 01:05 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Given the choice between having 1 backup option at a few positions, and 2-3 options-- even if one of those is essentially a "break glass in case of emergency... or long-term Cora starting"-- at those same positions, I'd probably rather have the latter, especially if the cost is comparable. As to first base... he's apparently better than Garko-- if only slightly-- and his primary value isn't as a starting first-baseman, anyway. If he gets one start a week at 1B and a corner OF slot, and is available to pinch-hit/double-switch into or out of the middle-infield slots, he's worth the money. And as to the slumping... as Mr. Flood pointed out several weeks ago, in Keith's eyes, we're all constantly "flying open." His season-end numbers were still a respectable-- if more pedestrian than 2008-- .282/.339/.438, with a slightly-above-league-average wOBA of .339.

Nymr83 Jan 28 2010 01:06 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Murphy looked pretty bad for a corner infielder (or outfielder) at the plate last year, particularly against lefties. while it would be ideal to get a better player, the Mets should at least find him a platoon partner, and i think Tatis, while maybe not the best choice, would fit the bill.

metirish Jan 28 2010 01:14 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Thsi is encouraging Murphy spent three days after Thanksgiving living with David Wright at hitting coach Howard Johnson's house in Florida, getting on the right track with his swing while having fun watching the SEC Championship Game and NFL on TV. HoJo sees Murphy "realistically" doubling his home run total in 2010. HoJo described Murphy as "one-dimensional" last season. Because Murphy had success in the minors going to the opposite field, even on inside pitches, he resisted pulling inside pitches last season at the major-league level. "If you recognize that's what a hitter is going to try to do with that pitch, then you know you're not going to get any power from him, so you just keep pounding it in there," Jerry Manuel said. "That's kind of what happened." Now, they've preached turning on inside pitches and pulling them to right field http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... _pace.html

Edgy DC Jan 28 2010 01:28 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

What? He's going to bat lefty?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 28 2010 08:49 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Done deal, done pretty cheaply, says Mike "Made with Bits of Actual" Puma. 800K plus incentives, say Matt Cerrone's magical sources.

Edgy DC Jan 28 2010 08:52 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

What does Ed Price say?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 28 2010 08:53 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

He concurs, although it's kind of muffled, since he's reporting from inside Omar's rectum.

Ashie62 Jan 29 2010 03:48 PM Re: Tatis on his way back?

Didn't ABBA do a song "Fernando"