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We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

Kong76 Jan 31 2010 01:20 PM

I just visited 12 random MLB team sites and no team has a silly slogan del aρo like the Mets do. Year after year, they parade out these one liners that are just embarrassing. Who writes this crap? Who approves it? Who asks people to write it and then gets people to approve it? Just pull the plug on this year's slogan while there's still time. No one believes. No one.

SteveJRogers Jan 31 2010 01:44 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

Okay, did someone from another board hack into Kase's account? =;) I agree though, and it really does go all the way back to the start of the Doubleday/Wilpon reign with "The Magic Is Back." Hell, now that I think of it, even before with "Bring Your Kids To See Our Kids" Wasn't that trotted out in either 78 or just after 6/15/77? Granted no one really should give a crap about PR campaigns and slogans, but some of the Met ones through the years have been down right embarrassing. Though, IMHO, none more than the slogan for the 2007 Postseason ticket sale push, "Your Postseason Has Come" Yeah, we're still waiting guys, and I really don't think its gonna happen this October either! Hell, why even have a slogan as a sales pitch?

MFS62 Jan 31 2010 01:44 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I dunno. If they want a marketing slogan to sell tickets, well, that's the business they're in. If I have any problem with it, it is semantic. (Is that an adjective?) If someone believes, you don't have to tell them to. If someone doesn't believe, I'm not sure you can exhort them to. (Although "You Gotta' Believe" was kinda' catchy. Then again, it came from a player, not a PR type.) Maybe there would be a better choice? Funny, the things you think about on a Sunday afternoon when there isn't a football game to watch. Later

SteveJRogers Jan 31 2010 01:51 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="MFS62":1z7hnth0]I dunno. If they want a marketing slogan to sell tickets, well, that's the business they're in. If I have any problem with it, it is semantic. (Is that an adjective?) If someone believes, you don't have to tell them to. If someone doesn't believe, I'm not sure you can exhort them to. (Although "You Gotta' Believe" was kinda' catchy) Maybe there would be a better choice? Funny, the things you think about on a Sunday afternoon when there isn't a football game to watch. Later[/quote:1z7hnth0] You Gotta Believe was not a marketing campaign slogan though. Much like the Saints' "Who Dat" or even Mojo Risin' its an organic rallying cry that got started by the players and fans rather than something cooked up in a board room. I agree on point with you, but at the end of the day they are silly marketing slogans that kind of feeds into the perception that Met haters have about how silly and "minor league" the franchise has been run since the Wilpons took full control.

Edgy DC Jan 31 2010 01:54 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

If you don't like the slogan, that's fine. But I don't think the concept of a marketing campaign with a slogan is minor league. It's annoying and corporate, but welcome to MLB.

Kong76 Jan 31 2010 02:21 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

It's much more than annoying and corporate and trying to paint it as such is enabling them by saying it's ok. It must stop and it must stop NOW!!! The team sucks, the last three seasons sucked, and the new slogan sucks even more. We can all bury our heads in talking about Greg Jefferies, which is entertaining this time of year for me, but the whole franchise needs enemas in more than a few orifices. WE BELIEVE IN COMEBACKS!! Woohoo *purge and spit* !!!

Edgy DC Jan 31 2010 02:23 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I'm certainly not saying it's OK.

Kong76 Jan 31 2010 03:56 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I know what you said, you said welcome to MLB. Did you check the other team sites? My guess is no team has a lamer slogan (or more importantly, a history of lame slogans) than our beloved Metsies. No other team.

metirish Jan 31 2010 04:32 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

But ,do you believe in comebacks Kase?

batmagadanleadoff Jan 31 2010 04:45 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

To me, it's an embarrassment. And forced and contrived, especially given that the franchise has been marketing a slogan every single year for over 30 years running. Considering that they finished in first place once in the last 21 years and have won just one World Series in the last 40, I'd recommend that they just shut up and get it done. If the team were listening to me, though, they'd surely defeat the purpose of my message by adopting it as a slogan --"This Year We're Going to Just Shut Up and Get it Done".

G-Fafif Jan 31 2010 04:50 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please. Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 31 2010 09:13 PM

I think it's a perfectly fine theme, playing off, as it does, both the reality of the situation (acknowledging a comeback is needed) and the historical equity of Believe. But... 1) The ads themselves are cheap and amateurish, as if shot by high school students for extra credit. 2) When they first started airing them, Carlos Beltran was one of the Believers. I see he's been edited out for the time being. Can't decide whether that's truth in advertising or simply Orwellian.

metirish Jan 31 2010 04:54 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

A quick search on google brings back this from a WhiteSox forum.....team slogans from the 2006 season Royals- "Your Team. Your Town." Astros- "Believe the Buzz!" A's- "A Different Brand of Baseball" Cardinals- "Welcome to Baseball Heaven- Inagural Season 2006" D-Rays- "We Come To PLAY" Dodgers- "Think Blue" D-backs- "A New Brand of Baseball" (The A is the D'backs logo) Giants- "Your SF Giants" Mets- "The Team. The Time." Padres- "On A Mission" Phillies- "Red Means Go" Rangers- "Every Day Is Game Day" Pirates- "We Will" Reds- "The POWER of Tradition" Rockies- "GenRation" (The R is the Rockies logo) Tigers- "Who's Your Tiger?" Twins- "Twins Territory" Mets "The Team , The Time" No idea if those are correct but they sure are funny...the Mets one sounds familiar Padres for 2010 apparently have this "SD stands for San Diego"

A Boy Named Seo Jan 31 2010 05:01 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

"Who's Your Tiger?" is hysterical.

metirish Jan 31 2010 05:03 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

The Pirates " We Will " is classic..how many games did they lose that season?...

A Boy Named Seo Jan 31 2010 05:06 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="metirish":39lsqr0z]The Pirates " We Will " is classic..how many games did they lose that season?...[/quote:39lsqr0z] They didn't specify what is was they "will" do. Must've been lose an ass-load of games.

metirish Jan 31 2010 05:08 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

Thet lost 95 It's funny when they feel the need to tell you what the sloagan means Rockies- "GenRation" (The R is the Rockies logo)

metirish Jan 31 2010 05:20 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

Found a site that has the 2010 slogans for some of the teams, I guess some are slower than others at getting them u. Angels – Fan Strong Astros – 45th Anniversary A’s – 100% Athletics. 100% Baseball. Braves – The Excitement of Turner Field Dodgers – This is my town. Dodgertown USA (They announced it would be back for 2010) Giants – Your Giants Indians – Are You In the Tribe? Marlins – It’s Where You Wanna Be! Nationals – Get Your Red On. NatsTown Orioles – This is Birdland Pirates – Pride. Passion. Pittsburgh Pirates. Tigers – Always a Tiger Twins – Inaugural Season 2010 White Sox – There are Traditions. And There are White Sox Traditions. http://rjsfro.com/2010/01/08/padres-new ... -campaign/

A Boy Named Seo Jan 31 2010 05:28 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

Those all suck in every way.

metirish Jan 31 2010 05:30 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

The Marlins one is funny because they don't even want to be there.

Kong76 Jan 31 2010 05:32 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I looked at 12 official team sites run by MLB and powered by Sun only and didn't find a slogan pasted on any of the front pages. See yas in March.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 31 2010 05:49 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

He'll comeback in March. I believe it.

Ashie62 Jan 31 2010 06:03 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

All pretty corny...Those are just ad bites right? My all-time player started slogan was 'Mr. Mojo Risin!"

HahnSolo Jan 31 2010 06:04 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

And here I was still waiting for my season to come.

Ashie62 Jan 31 2010 06:08 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

Mets slogan.."Our day will come"

metirish Jan 31 2010 06:10 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="Ashie62":35jf4ppb]Mets slogan.."Our day will come"[/quote:35jf4ppb] I think factions of the Irish Republican movement are still using that... Tiocfaidh αr lα

themetfairy Jan 31 2010 06:26 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

"We Shall Overcome"

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 31 2010 06:34 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

"Adversity Builds Character. Come Build Some Character."

Edgy DC Jan 31 2010 06:44 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

The Astros 2006 "Believe the Buzz" was pretty funny. Maybe it would have been more appropriate if they were called the Bees or something. Anyhow, how can 2010 be thier 45th anniversary. Did they sit out a few years without telling the Mets?

themetfairy Jan 31 2010 06:50 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

Perhaps it's the 45th anniversary under the moniker, "Houston Astros" (as opposed to the Colt 45s).

metsmarathon Jan 31 2010 07:11 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

ok, so i've been looking thru the mlb sites... angels fan strong astros 45th anniversary logo a's... couldn't find anything... ditto blue jays braves' the excitement of turner field brewers 40th anniversary logo cardinals are asking you to pledge allegiance to cardinals nation cubs and dbacks dont seem to have anything, but the dodgers have dodgertown the giants appear to be counting down to fanfest, which i hope isn't their slogan, while the indians are asking about your tribal affiliations the mariners believe big and the marlins are serious fun the mets we know about, while the nats come out in commie red the orioles you can see above, some ridiculous birdland thing. the padres have nothing, and the phils have some slilly nl champs logo that i needn't paste here... the pirates need to do a better job of choosing colors, as their logo taks teh visual consistency of baby poop, of which i'm becoming rather experienced.. the rangers, rays, redsox, rockies, and royals all live sloganless lives the tigers have always been so the twins, in addition to opening a new stadium, are trying to mark out their territory the white sox are proud of their traditions... like gambling... and losing... and hte yankees suck. though last year, i swear they had one too.

Fman99 Jan 31 2010 07:37 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="metirish"]Found a site that has the 2010 slogans for some of the teams, I guess some are slower than others at getting them u. Angels – Fan Strong Astros – 45th Anniversary A’s – 100% Athletics. 100% Baseball. Braves – The Excitement of Turner Field Dodgers – This is my town. Dodgertown USA (They announced it would be back for 2010) Giants – Your Giants Indians – Are You In the Tribe? Marlins – It’s Where You Wanna Be! Nationals – Get Your Red On. NatsTown Orioles – This is Birdland Pirates – Pride. Passion. Pittsburgh Pirates. Tigers – Always a Tiger Twins – Inaugural Season 2010 White Sox – There are Traditions. And There are White Sox Traditions. http://rjsfro.com/2010/01/08/padres-new ... -campaign/

Fwife gets her red on, I know to try again in 3-4 days.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 31 2010 08:21 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

These are a few that I remember: [list:29olwa6o]The Magic is Back. Catch a Rising Star. Now the Fun Starts. Baseball Like it Oughta Be.[/list:u:29olwa6o]

Nymr83 Jan 31 2010 08:23 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="Edgy DC"] The Astros 2006 "Believe the Buzz" was pretty funny. Maybe it would have been more appropriate if they were called the Bees or something.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 31 2010 08:35 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please. Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 31 2010 08:56 PM

I like the "Your ______/Your City" slogans. If the team's good, or on the come-up, there's an effective, understated emphasis of the tie-- however illusory-- between city and club, making it seem like supporting the team is part and parcel of being a good citizen, of living here, of your life. And if the team's bad, it's even better, reeking of a sort of quiet, civically agreed-upon resignation. "Here's what you have, people," these slogans sigh. "Let's get through this together." (Congratulations on the richness, Royals!)

Edgy DC Jan 31 2010 08:45 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I picture the Buccos' slogan being delivered by Daffy Duck in a cloud of spittle.

G-Fafif Jan 31 2010 08:56 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="themetfairy":mpmzurn2]Perhaps it's the 45th anniversary under the moniker, "Houston Astros" (as opposed to the Colt 45s).[/quote:mpmzurn2] Bee-ngo.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 31 2010 08:57 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please. Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 31 2010 08:57 PM

[quote="Edgy DC":2kxv07rz]I picture the Buccos' slogan being delivered by Daffy Duck in a cloud of spittle.[/quote:2kxv07rz] Or Yosemite Sam. http://cgi.ebay.com/1976-Pittsburgh-Pir ... 4009r23010

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 31 2010 08:57 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="G-Fafif":32hwd19n][quote="themetfairy":32hwd19n]Perhaps it's the 45th anniversary under the moniker, "Houston Astros" (as opposed to the Colt 45s).[/quote:32hwd19n] Bee-ngo.[/quote:32hwd19n] What a Bee-oondoggle.

G-Fafif Jan 31 2010 09:04 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="Benjamin Grimm":238whx62]These are a few that I remember: [list:238whx62]The Magic is Back. Catch a Rising Star. Now the Fun Starts. Baseball Like it Oughta Be.[/list:u:238whx62][/quote:238whx62] Those were the winners. Other years, culled from memory and reliable Internet sources (which is to say once I saw them they rang true), included: [list:238whx62]The Magic Is Real. Catch It Here. Show Up At Shea Are You Ready? Amazin' Again Excellence Again and Again The Team. The Time. The Mets. Your Season Has Come. Let's Do It Again Catch The Energy Next Year Is Now Hardball Is Back[/list:u:238whx62]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 31 2010 09:11 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I'm pretty sure the brand-marketing folks would tell you the Met slogan for 2010 isn't "We Believe in Comebacks" but just "We Believe ... " with the idea that the rest of the statement is limited only by the imagination of the people trying to sell you something. They gave this away in that one commercial where various Mets profess to believe in "6-4-3 double plays" and "rainbows, puppy dogs and fairy tales." It's also a versatile little slogan in that it can be applied to the team or the fanbase. I'm sure as the season carries on we'll see "We Believe ... in Rivalries" before a Phillies series and "We Believe ... in Aaron Harang." etc etc. To the extent that I care about this stuff, I don't think it's so rotten, it's not like choosing a word with Metquity like "believe" was a mistake. The Mets are fond of these mulipurpose, overarching themes and symbols in their communications, even to their own detriment, as when that CitiField "first base-line" logo* wound up everywhere including the uniform. * - I understood what they were trying to do.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 31 2010 09:21 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="Edgy DC"]I picture the Buccos' slogan being delivered by Daffy Duck in a cloud of spittle.

Just listen to Michael Kay do last year's MFY slogan. Power. Pride. Pinstripes.

Puke.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 31 2010 09:22 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please. Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 31 2010 10:28 PM

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":xup6yf2j]I'm pretty sure the brand-marketing folks would tell you the Met slogan for 2010 isn't "We Believe in Comebacks" but just "We Believe ... " with the idea that the rest of the statement is limited only by the imagination of the people trying to sell you something. They gave this away in that one commercial where various Mets profess to believe in "6-4-3 double plays" and "rainbows, puppy dogs and fairy tales." It's also a versatile little slogan in that it can be applied to the team or the fanbase. I'm sure as the season carries on we'll see "We Believe ... in Rivalries" before a Phillies series and "We Believe ... in Aaron Harang." etc etc. To the extent that I care about this stuff, I don't think it's so rotten, it's not like choosing a word with Metquity like "believe" was a mistake. The Mets are fond of these mulipurpose, overarching themes and symbols in their communications, even to their own detriment, as when that CitiField "first base-line" logo* wound up everywhere including the uniform. * - I understood what they were trying to do.[/quote:xup6yf2j] Isn't that what the Mets did with their 2005 "Next Year is Now" ad campaign? Next year was Pedro teaching the NL not to crowd and Laguardia complaining about the noise at Shea and wear and tear on the apple and Willie (ugh!) being a rookie again. (But what it really was was Miguel Fucking Cairo batting second in the middle of a pennant race and Wee Willie Randolph's bright idea to try and bunt his team into the post-season).

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 31 2010 09:27 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

Yes. That '05 team shoulda traded for Ray Durham at the deadline like I told them to.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 31 2010 10:11 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

Speaking of Mets ad campaigns, I don't recall seeing any commercially-sized poster print ads for the team in 2009. If so, last season would've been the first in about 30 years that the Mets didn't run a city-wide public print ad campaign. If I'm right, I wonder if the Mets thought they didn't need that type of advertising what with their new stadium.

G-Fafif Jan 31 2010 11:27 PM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="batmagadanleadoff":17m8342q]Speaking of Mets ad campaigns, I don't recall seeing any commercially-sized poster print ads for the team in 2009. If so, last season would've been the first in about 30 years that the Mets didn't run a city-wide public print ad campaign. If I'm right, I wonder if the Mets thought they didn't need that type of advertising what with their new stadium.[/quote:17m8342q] There were "NEW HOME OF AMAZIN'" billboards, featuring Johan (and maybe others) at subway stations and other outdoor locations.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Feb 01 2010 05:03 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="metsmarathon"]

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

Ceetar Feb 01 2010 07:14 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I kinda like the yearly slogans. They're cheesy and corporate, but you gotta do that stuff anyway, so why not a slogan? The ones that are mallable are kinda fun to watch the evolution over the season (The Team, The Time, the 2006 NL East Champions..) We'll see where "We Believe in __" goes over the season.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 01 2010 07:16 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I remember how in September 2007 they were saying "Your Postseason Has Come." Yeesh.

Edgy DC Feb 01 2010 07:20 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I remember Lunchbucket's retort the moment they published the slogan "Your season has come."

metirish Feb 01 2010 07:24 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

Doesn't the stadium announcer chap read out the slogan when he announces " your NY Mets" as they take the field? "The Team , the Time , your NY Mets"... Not sure how he'll work in this slogan though.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 01 2010 08:08 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="G-Fafif":3twh3tke][quote="batmagadanleadoff":3twh3tke]Speaking of Mets ad campaigns, I don't recall seeing any commercially-sized poster print ads for the team in 2009. If so, last season would've been the first in about 30 years that the Mets didn't run a city-wide public print ad campaign. If I'm right, I wonder if the Mets thought they didn't need that type of advertising what with their new stadium.[/quote:3twh3tke] There were "NEW HOME OF AMAZIN'" billboards, featuring Johan (and maybe others) at subway stations and other outdoor locations.[/quote:3twh3tke] Thanks. I know about the one with Johan Santana. I thought I saw a photograph of you posing beneath a copy of that ad at Citi Field on your web site last year. I also own my own large poster-sized copy of that Santana ad. But I didn't know that it was part of a public ad campaign, having never seen it anywhere other than at CF. Maybe the ad had a short run, or limited geographic distribution?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 01 2010 08:41 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="Edgy DC":3lu8s4qo]I remember Lunchbucket's retort the moment they published the slogan "Your season has come."[/quote:3lu8s4qo] There were so many. YOUR SEASON HAS COME ... and now YOU can sleep in the wet spot!

Edgy DC Feb 01 2010 08:48 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

Sort of. I was thinking "Your season has come... in it's PANTS."

seawolf17 Feb 01 2010 09:43 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":38x77uss]Yes. That '05 team shoulda traded for Ray Durham at the deadline like I told them to.[/quote:38x77uss] Remember that? Jeez. You'd think you owned a warehouse full of DURHAM #9 pre-made Mets jerseys that you were stuck with or something.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2010 09:44 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="metsmarathon"]

What are three things that have never been in my kitchen?

Willets Point Feb 01 2010 09:59 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I believe in comebacks.

Willets Point Feb 01 2010 10:00 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I do believe in comebacks. I do, I do, I do.

MFS62 Feb 01 2010 10:06 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

[quote="Willets Point"]I do believe in comebacks. I do, I do, I do.

I never clapped for Tinker Bell.
But I will clap hard for the Mets.

Later

Benjamin Grimm Feb 01 2010 10:08 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I suspect that the 2007 Phillies believe in comebacks.

Willets Point Feb 01 2010 10:09 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

BTW, I don't see this anywhere on the Mets' homepage.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2010 10:43 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

"I believe in comebacks and hockey pucks, numbnuts."

themetfairy Feb 01 2010 11:39 AM Re: We Believe in Comebacks? Please.

I Believe. I Believe. It's Silly, But I Believe.