Jan 22 2010 09:36 AM
Re: Skins
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GAH!
I'm sorry, but I'm reminded of this guy:
Since I want to one day have grandchildren, I'm not at all regretting the decision we made.
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| Hell, yeah! | 14 votes |
| Hell, no! | 6 votes |
| Edgy DC Jan 21 2010 10:40 AM |
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Yeah, it's a delicate subject, but how are the rest of us going to deal with it, if those who went before us don't share?
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| TransMonk Jan 21 2010 10:44 AM Re: Skins |
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I don't have any, so I didn't vote...but I would if I did.
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| metirish Jan 21 2010 10:45 AM Re: Skins |
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I got Lorcan snipped mainly because I thought it wa the thing to do over here, it's certainly not in Ireland. I could have used this poll back then I guess.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 21 2010 10:51 AM Re: Skins |
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Well I can guess what prompted this. We gave it plenty of thought and kept coming back to the same question: Why? Why mutilate a baby's dick? There is no health benefit despite what you've been told and millions of civilized people get by just fine without it. We're horrified whenever you hear some story of whatever they do to the women in Africa, why engage in that shit here? It helped that we were under no religious pressure to do anything, and that we were to deliver at NYU Downtown where most of the Moms are from Chinatown and don't do that shit either.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 21 2010 11:00 AM Re: Skins |
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Ha. We're doing NYU Downtown as well (in March). My knee-jerk's a "yes." But I'm thinking about it a lot more deliberately now.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 21 2010 11:04 AM Re: Skins |
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Hey, no way. You have Dr. Kong?
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| metsmarathon Jan 21 2010 11:10 AM Re: Skins |
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when we were in childbirth class, the subject came up. the woman next to us, who was there with one of her friends instead of her baby-daddy, said to her friend in hushed tones "if [baby-daddy] wasn't circumcised, there's no way i'd be here right now," and her friend concurred on the ugliness of an unclipped dick. we trimmed. in retrospect, i'm glad, cos when the kid poops, it gets everywhere, and i'd hate to think of it getting all wedged in around there, too. and it looks nicer.
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| Edgy DC Jan 21 2010 11:11 AM Re: Skins |
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The good Dr. Kong He saw my son's shlong And looked upon me and my wife He said, Circumcision? It's YOUR Decision But I'll need a much bigger knife!
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| Fman99 Jan 21 2010 11:35 AM Re: Skins |
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Cut me, Mick. Cut me.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 21 2010 11:36 AM Re: Skins |
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[quote="metsmarathon":16siuv6d]when we were in childbirth class, the subject came up. the woman next to us, who was there with one of her friends instead of her baby-daddy, said to her friend in hushed tones "if [baby-daddy] wasn't circumcised, there's no way i'd be here right now." .[/quote:16siuv6d] I'm gonna consider that much an argument for nonmutilation.
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| Edgy DC Jan 21 2010 11:38 AM Re: Skins |
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[quote="metsmarathon":251kjsw6]"if [baby-daddy] wasn't circumcised, there's no way i'd be here right now."[/quote:251kjsw6] "Here" being "pregnant and without the support of the good-for-nothing skinless gigolo"?
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| Centerfield Jan 21 2010 11:51 AM Re: Skins |
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All of the doctors we talked to uniformly agreed that there was no medical reason to undergo circumcision. We were told that some argue that there are benefits, but this is disputed. And that even if there are some, they are minimal and outweighed by the risks of the procedure itself. They were careful to let us know that the decision was entirely our's, but we got the impression that they weren't crazy about it. Once the health thing was a non-issue, our biggest concern was that we didn't want him to be different from his friends, so we asked what everyone else was doing. We were told that 90% of babies born in the US were circumcised in the 70's. Now it's down to 60%...and many of these are done for religious purposes. It seemed to us that you couldn't go wrong either way, so we just decided to leave it as is. Seemed to us that this was the trend.
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| metsmarathon Jan 21 2010 12:05 PM Re: Skins |
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[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1tc2gvm0][quote="metsmarathon":1tc2gvm0]when we were in childbirth class, the subject came up. the woman next to us, who was there with one of her friends instead of her baby-daddy, said to her friend in hushed tones "if [baby-daddy] wasn't circumcised, there's no way i'd be here right now." .[/quote:1tc2gvm0] I'm gonna consider that much an argument for nonmutilation.[/quote:1tc2gvm0] i concede, i could've presented a stronger argument in my favor.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 21 2010 12:08 PM Re: Skins |
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[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":ws3heo1y]Hey, no way. You have Dr. Kong?[/quote:ws3heo1y] Sturdivant. But yours sounds cooler. [quote="Centerfield":ws3heo1y]It seemed to us that you couldn't go wrong either way, so we just decided to leave it as is. Seemed to us that this was the trend.[/quote:ws3heo1y] You fashionista, you.
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| Edgy DC Jan 21 2010 12:13 PM Re: Skins |
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Wow, ex-Mets all over that hospital.
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| themetfairy Jan 21 2010 12:48 PM Re: Skins |
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We're Jewish, so it was a given that we would have the boys circumcised. I did my research and found the best mohel on the Upper West Side, and I even had him schlep down to Central NJ to perform MK's briss (when I was pregnant with MK, I wasn't impressed with what I was hearing about the local mohels. Jackie Mason's brother was apparently doing a lot of them down here, but I was hearing that he was big on schtick but didn't have great hands). Each time I empathized with Fraiser Crane and wanted to snatch my baby and run away before the ceremony. But religiously it was a given, and I do feel it's better for the baby's overall hygiene.
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| Willets Point Jan 21 2010 12:49 PM Re: Skins |
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We have no religious obligation and there's no strong medical reason for circumcision, so Baby Point kept his hood.
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| Farmer Ted Jan 21 2010 01:14 PM Re: Skins |
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Graphic in nature... While in college, I went into the men's room in the dorm only to see a hallmate at a sink, un-c'd, pulling back the skin in order to clean a bunch of gunk junk out of there. I could only describe it like ear wax. I made a point of never using that particular sink again. My boy-child will be skinless.
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| soupcan Jan 21 2010 01:54 PM Re: Skins |
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Jews over here as well - both of my boys have sculpted helmets. It's painful to watch, but being a member of the tribe I had no say in the matter. Also there is the unavoidable time when your male child will point to you and them himself and wonder why his is (if it is) different than yours. It's no big deal really. Seems like it at the time but you get past it rather quickly.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 21 2010 02:03 PM Re: Skins |
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Not being Jewish, I didn't have to watch. The OBGYN who delivers the baby does the cutting. (I was surprised; I figured it would be a pediatrician.) Not having seen a whole lot of penises in my life, I reached adulthood not even knowing if I was circumcised or not! I actually had to look up some before-and-after pictures to know for sure. You can call it "mutilation" but it doesn't seem to be any more traumatic than all the other indignities that newborns are subject to: diapers, blood being drawn from the foot, vaccinations, bright lights, noises...
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| Fman99 Jan 21 2010 02:39 PM Re: Skins |
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[quote="Benjamin Grimm"]Not being Jewish, I didn't have to watch. The OBGYN who delivers the baby does the cutting. (I was surprised; I figured it would be a pediatrician.) Not having seen a whole lot of penises in my life, I reached adulthood not even knowing if I was circumcised or not! I actually had to look up some before-and-after pictures to know for sure. You can call it "mutilation" but it doesn't seem to be any more traumatic than all the other indignities that newborns are subject to: diapers, blood being drawn from the foot, vaccinations, bright lights, noises... |
| sharpie Jan 21 2010 03:00 PM Re: Skins |
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There are three no votes but CF, Point, Bucket and I have indicated that we are in the no camp. There seems to be some misvoting going on here.
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| cooby Jan 21 2010 06:11 PM Re: Skins |
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Yes, of course
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| Chad Ochoseis Jan 21 2010 08:28 PM Re: Skins |
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One of my great regrets in life is that no woman has ever called me a "no-good skinless gigolo." I have no kids, and am not planning any Ochosietes in the future, so it's a moot question for me. But not one that I haven't thought about. I'm Jewish by culture, ethnicity and tradition, but agnostic by belief. So I'm not nuts (no pun intended) about ancient medically unnecessary rituals that involve knives and sensitive body parts. But circumcision is a huge deal in Judaism. I think if I had a male child, I'd have to do it, if only because I'd want him to have the option of choosing to be a more observant Jew than I am. If he were to make that decision later in life and he weren't circumcised, he'd have to get circumcised. And circumcision is one of those things that's better done sooner than later.
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 21 2010 08:54 PM Re: Skins |
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[quote="Edgy DC"]The good Dr. Kong He saw my son's shlong And looked upon me and my wife He said, Circumcision? It's YOUR Decision But I'll need a much bigger knife! |
| Methead Jan 21 2010 09:09 PM Re: Skins |
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We had our little guy snipped but I took a while to decide, and I wasn't even really sure until game day what I was gonna do.
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| seawolf17 Jan 22 2010 08:44 AM Re: Skins |
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[quote="Willets Point":ebq3g958]We have no religious obligation and there's no strong medical reason for circumcision, so Baby Point kept his hood.[/quote:ebq3g958] I'm going to pass out just thinking about this topic, so I'm going to ditto this and not check this thread ever again.
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| A Boy Named Seo Jan 22 2010 08:47 AM Re: Skins |
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I don't have any little boys named seo, and none on the way *knocks on wood*, but I was thinking about this way more than I thought I ever would last night, and think I'm in the "leave it as-is" camp. I didn't vote in the poll.
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| Edgy DC Jan 22 2010 08:55 AM Re: Skins |
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Well, I was that way also until Farmer Ted got to the story about cleaning out the cheese in the dormitory sink.
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| Centerfield Jan 22 2010 09:06 AM Re: Skins |
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I think daily cleaning versus the "once a month" approach can keep one cheese-free.
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| themetfairy Jan 22 2010 09:13 AM Re: Skins |
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In the words of Elaine Benes, I don't know how you guys walk around with those things....
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| John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 22 2010 09:18 AM Re: Skins |
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[quote="Edgy DC":3fi510e2]Well, I was that way also until Farmer Ted got to the story about cleaning out the cheese in the dormitory sink.[/quote:3fi510e2] I knew a guy in college whose armpits stunk, so I chopped off his arms.
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| Benjamin Grimm Jan 22 2010 09:36 AM Re: Skins |
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Not safe for work: http://www.circinfo.com/glossary/uncirc.jpg
GAH!
I'm sorry, but I'm reminded of this guy:
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| Vic Sage Jan 22 2010 09:44 AM Re: Skins |
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[quote="Chad Ochoseis":2l88evhv]... I'm Jewish by culture, ethnicity and tradition, but agnostic by belief. So I'm not nuts (no pun intended) about ancient medically unnecessary rituals that involve knives and sensitive body parts. But circumcision is a huge deal in Judaism. I think if I had a male child, I'd have to do it, if only because I'd want him to have the option of choosing to be a more observant Jew than I am. If he were to make that decision later in life and he weren't circumcised, he'd have to get circumcised. And circumcision is one of those things that's better done sooner than later.[/quote:2l88evhv] ditto. We had it done in the hospital, not as an in-home ritual accompanied by bagels and lox.
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| metirish Jan 22 2010 09:47 AM Re: Skins |
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I worked with a guy years ago out here from Galway....he had to get snipped because he caught something from some chick ...said it was the most painful thing ever......
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| Centerfield Jan 22 2010 09:49 AM Re: Skins |
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Someday our sons will find an archive of this thread and get really pissed at their dads.
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| Rockin' Doc Jan 22 2010 09:32 PM Re: Skins |
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We never really gave much thought to the subject and had Junior trimmed before he was brought home from the hospital.
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| metsmarathon Jan 23 2010 09:11 AM Re: Skins |
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[quote="Centerfield":1xqqmv8e]Someday our sons will find an archive of this thread and get really pissed at their dads.[/quote:1xqqmv8e] especially since 14 or so of our sons are going to be stealing all the shallow-minded girlies from the other 6...
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| MFS62 Jan 23 2010 09:23 AM Re: Skins |
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[quote="soupcan":paezw0wz] It's painful to watch, but being a member of the tribe I had no say in the matter. [/quote:paezw0wz] I had two daughters, so it wasn't an issue. Then I had a grandson. I held him in my arms while it was done. I felt faint, but happy. Later
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| cooby Jan 23 2010 10:31 AM Re: Skins |
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[quote="Rockin' Doc":35b5muk7]We never really gave much thought to the subject and had Junior trimmed before he was brought home from the hospital.[/quote:35b5muk7] Same here.
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| metsguyinmichigan Jan 23 2010 10:53 AM Re: Skins |
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And here.
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| Frayed Knot Jan 23 2010 11:23 AM Re: Skins |
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[quote="Chad Ochoseis":2shd4pem]But circumcision is a huge deal in Judaism. I think if I had a male child, I'd have to do it, if only because I'd want him to have the option of choosing to be a more observant Jew than I am. If he were to make that decision later in life and he weren't circumcised, he'd have to get circumcised. And circumcision is one of those things that's better done sooner than later.[/quote:2shd4pem] So how does that work exactly? If he wanted to be a more observant Jew he'd somehow be prevented from doing so on account of not being circumcised? Is someone in charge of first checking and then spreading the word so as to limit his options? Not trying to be a wise-ass here, just curious.
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| MFS62 Jan 23 2010 11:42 AM Re: Skins |
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No, he wouldn't be prevented from doing it. It is traditionally done when the baby is eight days old. But if the baby is been born prematurely or in ill health, it can be done at any later time. Also, in the case of man converting to Judiasm, it can (obviously) be done later in life. EDIT: I'm not aware of any time restrictions. Later
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| Chad Ochoseis Jan 23 2010 12:09 PM Re: Skins |
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If you're converting from another religion, it's recommended in the reform movement and required in the Orthodox movement. And, in the Orthodox movement, if it had already been done by a doctor, drawing of blood by a mohel is still required. No big deal - it's just a little prick, as they say. I don't know for sure, but there's probably some sort of requirement that the mohel make a statement that it's been done. On the other hand, if you're already Jewish...well, if a rabbi asked me to prove anything, I'd have to call the cops. So you could probably keep non-circumcision a secret, just like you could have bacon for breakfast every morning and the world would be none the wiser. But if you were choosing to be that observant, you'd probably also choose not to eat bacon and not to be secretly uncircumcised.
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