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metsguyinmichigan Feb 02 2010 08:01 AM

[url]http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2010/02/mets-suffer-under-wilpon/ This Forbes piece slams the Wilpons, saying they're in the running for the game's worst owners. I disagree strongly. Not saying there isn't room for criticism, and lots of it. But there are owners who either aren't trying or don't care, pocketing their luxury tax money. Would you rather have the people running the Royals or Pirates running the Mets?

metirish Feb 02 2010 08:16 AM Re: Wilpon bashing

Fred Wilpon has an obsession with the MFY's?.......please.

metirish Feb 02 2010 08:20 AM Re: Wilpon bashing

Oh it's not even worth reading..... But rebuilding is a dirty word with the Mets. Wilpon's general manager, Omar Minaya, makes the big splash every winter (Pedro Martinez, Johan Santana, Frankie Rodriguez, and now Jason Bay) only to find disappointment by the following October. Minaya's predecessor, Steve Phillips, did the same thing, trying to transition an aging 2000 World Series team on the fly by picking up the washed up Mo Vaughan, Roberto Alomar and Pedro Astacio. Result: four straight seasons finishing third or lower. Both Phillips and Minaya have taken a lot of heat from local fans and press. But who did each work for? Wilpon, under whom the Mets are 639-655 since he wrested full control from former partner Nelson Doubleday in 2002. The club might take note that the Yankees' four-championship, six-pennant run from 1996 to 2003 was preceded by a losing stretch from 1990-92, during which the club rebuilt a talent base that produced Derek Jeter and Bernie Williams, among others. Last year's Yankee championship followed a non-playoff season in 2008. The yankees never waste money on FA players.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 02 2010 08:36 AM Re: Wilpon bashing

There's no reason why you can't rebuild while "winning now." It may mean a greater use of free agents (to avoid dealing too many prospects) but it certainly can be done. Did the Yankees win in 2009 because of rebuilding they did in 1992? I really don't think so.

Centerfield Feb 02 2010 08:41 AM Re: Wilpon bashing

"Wilpon's two biggest problems: his assumption that New York fans demand a winner each and every year, and his apparent obsession with the Yankees." "The club might take note that the Yankees' four-championship, six-pennant run from 1996 to 2003 was preceded by a losing stretch from 1990-92, during which the club rebuilt a talent base that produced Derek Jeter and Bernie Williams, among others." [quote="metirish"]Oh it's not even worth reading.....

Agreed.

Valadius Feb 02 2010 08:56 AM Re: Wilpon bashing

Who's their background source? Bill Madden?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 02 2010 09:14 AM Re: Wilpon bashing

Poor owners? Not SO much. Not at all, really. Poor managers (or, at least, managers possessing gigantic blindspots)? Almost definitely.

soupcan Feb 02 2010 09:25 AM Re: Wilpon bashing

The club might take note that the Yankees' four-championship, six-pennant run from 1996 to 2003 was preceded by a losing stretch from 1990-92, during which the club rebuilt a talent base that produced Derek Jeter and Bernie Williams, among others. Last year's Yankee championship followed a non-playoff season in 2008. Does the article continue by saying that the reason the Yankees were able to rebuild their talent base was because their principal owner was banned from baseball and not able to trade away their young talent which, history tells us, he most assuredly would have done if he'd been able to? Does the author go on to suggest that Wilpon should also hire some seedy character to dig up dirt on Carlos Beltran and use it to blackmail him?

metsguyinmichigan Feb 02 2010 09:26 AM Re: Wilpon bashing

[quote="soupcan"] The club might take note that the Yankees' four-championship, six-pennant run from 1996 to 2003 was preceded by a losing stretch from 1990-92, during which the club rebuilt a talent base that produced Derek Jeter and Bernie Williams, among others. Last year's Yankee championship followed a non-playoff season in 2008. Does the article continue by saying that the reason the Yankees were able to rebuild their talent base was because their principal owner was banned from baseball and not able to trade away their young talent which, history tells us, he most assuredly would have done if he'd been able to? Does the author go on to suggest that Wilpon should also hire some seedy character to dig up dirt on Carlos Beltran and use it to blackmail him?

Bad ass!

Edgy DC Feb 03 2010 05:16 PM Re: Wilpon bashing

The funny thing is that it's so open season right now, that what qualifies as a rip has either been downgraded or there's so much ripping that I don't recognize them anymore. First the indifferent swipe from Darryl Strawberry, now this.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 03 2010 07:21 PM Re: Wilpon bashing

[quote="Edgy DC"]The funny thing is that it's so open season right now, that what qualifies as a rip has either been downgraded or there's so much ripping that I don't recognize them anymore. First the indifferent swipe from Darryl Strawberry, now this.

His best "friend" remaining in that locker room... is David Wright, no?

SteveJRogers Feb 04 2010 01:10 PM Re: Wilpon bashing

[quote="metsguyinmichigan"][url]http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2010/02/mets-suffer-under-wilpon/ This Forbes piece slams the Wilpons, saying they're in the running for the game's worst owners. I disagree strongly. Not saying there isn't room for criticism, and lots of it. But there are owners who either aren't trying or don't care, pocketing their luxury tax money. Would you rather have the people running the Royals or Pirates running the Mets?

Lets see, no risks, no expectations, no ambitions vs. having an insanely high payroll yet with mediocre results, a badly mismanged product along with very fan un-friendly practices...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 14 2010 01:49 PM Re: Wilpon bashing

Strange. The Wilpons are a shame to management, the worst in the game... yet preside over the 9th-most valuable sports brand in the world, according to the same mag that published the other's week's Wilpon bash. BML oughta love the write-up... No. 9 New York Mets League: Major League Baseball Brand Value: $159 million The Mets have built their brand in part by successfully integrating the Brooklyn Dodgers' past with their own: Look no further than Citi Field's Jackie Robinson Rotunda. That puts them just behind Barcelona and AC Milan... and just ahead of the Olde Towne Team. (MFYs... number 2.)

batmagadanleadoff Feb 14 2010 02:12 PM Re: Wilpon bashing

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Strange. The Wilpons are a shame to management, the worst in the game... yet preside over the 9th-most valuable sports brand in the world, according to the same mag that published the other's week's Wilpon bash. BML oughta love the write-up... No. 9 New York Mets League: Major League Baseball Brand Value: $159 million The Mets have built their brand in part by successfully integrating the Brooklyn Dodgers' past with their own: Look no further than Citi Field's Jackie Robinson Rotunda.

Forbes' high-ranking and bashing are consistent with each other. The Wilpons get bashed because they own the most profitable team in their division and in fact, the entire National League. There's only one other baseball team that has and makes more money than the Mets. And with all of that financial muscle in their favor, they have but one first place finish in the last 20 seasons.

Edgy DC Feb 14 2010 02:39 PM Re: Wilpon bashing

Not that I don't believe it, but I haven't seen a list of teams ranked by profit that I can really trust.

Ashie62 Feb 14 2010 04:05 PM Re: Wilpon bashing

I've seen lists of team value which seem to be based on sale value rather than profit turned. Sorry to see Floyd was so unhappy..he was well paid

batmagadanleadoff Feb 14 2010 05:13 PM Re: Wilpon bashing

[quote="Edgy DC":210c34ii]Not that I don't believe it, but I haven't seen a list of teams ranked by profit that I can really trust.[/quote:210c34ii] Also, a baseball team with moderate or even below-average revenues can be very profitable by slashing expenses. In recent years for example, the penny-pinching Marlins are believed to be generating one of the highest cash flows despite revenues believed to be near the bottom of the majors. As far as revenues go, the Mets and Red Sox generate the second and third highest revenues according to most of the data I’ve seen. But not necessarily in that order. I seem to recall at least one list ranking the Sox slightly higher than the Mets. In any event, the Mets and Sox are close enough to each other in the data I’ve seen, that assuming even a tiny margin of error, the Sox might very well generate more revs than the Mets. So make of this what you will. Either way, this shouldn’t undermine the larger point that there is justifiable dissatisfaction with the Mets performance given their financial standing in MLB.