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So, Speaking of Reyes

Wait until the end of the season, see what you've got, and if you like it, try to negotiate with him during the exclusive period and, if necessary, as a free agent.

2 votes

Watch him closely for half a year, and try and sweep in and close quickly with a deal at the All Star break.

7 votes

Offer him a one-year mid-price ($11-12 million?) extension now, to take the pressure off the season for both player and team.

2 votes

Other (please specify).

4 votes

Edgy DC Feb 02 2010 10:24 AM

The Mets, having clearly envisioned a generation of lineups built around Jose Reyes and David Wright, are facing the walk year with Reyes. They likely would have offered him an extension this offseason. Obviously a long-term injury has left them (and him) not knowing quite what they've got to negotiate with, so any talk of a long-term deal has to be put off, but that can leave them over a barrel at the end of the season.

metirish Feb 02 2010 10:30 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

Pick up his $11 million option for 2011

soupcan Feb 02 2010 10:31 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

I had no idea this was his walk year. This is is a tough one. Yeah - pick up his $11 mil option. (assuming irish is more on the ball than Edgy and that the Mets do have the option)

Edgy DC Feb 02 2010 10:32 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

I hadn't realized that the option was out there. Stupid poll.

metirish Feb 02 2010 10:34 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

[quote="Edgy DC":101lzmwt]I hadn't realized that the option was out there. Stupid poll.[/quote:101lzmwt] I read it several times to see if you knew that, anyway I can't believe this contract is possibly entering it's last year.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 02 2010 10:34 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

Take the option, then start negotiating this year once he hits 40 steals anyway.

MFS62 Feb 02 2010 10:38 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

Other = Watch Reyes closely for half a year, but also see how well Tejada is playing at Buffalo. Miguel hit .289 in AA ball at the age of 19 last year. If Reyes continues to have health problems, and Tejada continues to impress, consider replacing him with the kid (long term). He may not be as flashy as Reyes, but I see him developing into a steady, Alfonso- type player. But with a shortstop glove. You gotta' keep your options open. Later

metirish Feb 02 2010 10:44 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

It's just a bit unfair to say " If Reyes continues to have health problems" , Jose had a good run before last season. Not saying you are putting that label on him but I guess it's out there.

Frayed Knot Feb 02 2010 10:45 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

The odds that Tejada becomes anywhere near as good as Reyes are REAL small - meaning that he'd have to have one helluva year in AAA (not even sure that's where he's going to start) before I'd even consider moving Jose out in his favor and even then the option pick-up is a no-brainer as you check on Tejada's progress towards 2012

Edgy DC Feb 02 2010 10:46 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

Reyes' Current Contract: 2007: $2.5M 2008: $4M 2009: $5.75M 2010: $9M 2011: $11M club option ($0.5M buyout) Good option!

Edgy DC Feb 02 2010 10:59 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

His agent is Peter Greenberg, whose website says that Forbes ranked him the number one baseball agent. Greenberg has a good history of working well with the Mets, a lot of Metly guys in his client base, which is deeply concentrated with Venezuealans. Bobby Abreu, Ronny Cedeno, Endy Chavez, Raul Chavez, Kelvim Escobar, Victor Garate, Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen, Cesar Izturis, Macier Izturis, Cesar Jiminez, Martin Prado, Jose Reyes, Henry Rodriguez, Johan Santana, Marco Scutaro, Rafael Soriano, Ken Takahashi. That's 100% foreign-born guys, 83% Venezuealans, 11% Dominicans (Reyes and Soriano), and 39% (I think) who have been under contract with the Mets at one time or another.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 02 2010 11:07 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

"BOO! 'LOS CLIENT BASE' SUCKS! REPRESENT A WHITE GUY, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MY CO-WORKERS DON'T COME OUT WITH ME TO THE GAME!" -Racist Idiot in Met cap

attgig Feb 02 2010 12:08 PM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

next year's contracts to think about are going to be with the starting pitchers... john maine has 4+ years of service time, and with one more year before free agency, this year will determine if he gets a multiyear deal, or deal with the 1 year contracts and eventually end up journeyman status Pelfrey's draft contract is expiring this year, and it'll be interesting to see if he has another year like last year what the mets do. if he rebounds and has a good year this year, i'm assuming the mets will negotiate a deal to buy out his first couple of years of free agency (though with boras, i guess you can never tell). If he doesn't rebound, the mets will have a lot to think about. oh, and i forgot about feliciano. he's elligible for free agency at the end of this year...

Benjamin Grimm Feb 02 2010 01:04 PM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3kii9jtf]"BOO! 'LOS CLIENT BASE' SUCKS! REPRESENT A WHITE GUY, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MY CO-WORKERS DON'T COME OUT WITH ME TO THE GAME!" -Racist Idiot in Met cap[/quote:3kii9jtf] I guess Peter Greenberg, being Hispanic (I can tell by the name!) is more comfortable with "his own kind."

G-Fafif Feb 02 2010 01:33 PM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

Venezuela's and Flushing's own Edgardo Alfonzo another Peter Greenberg client, at least during the heyday of Fonzie.

Gwreck Feb 02 2010 01:56 PM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

I think you pick up the option as soon as Reyes shows he's healthy (June 1, maybe?) and then start negotiating for longer.

Ashie62 Feb 02 2010 05:48 PM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

How about talking to Reyes during spring training. You get a look at him and can assess your risk/reward then.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Feb 02 2010 07:20 PM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

Other. Start talking five year extension, like, yesterday. I'm more than willing to bet Wilpon money (or my own, hypothetical money, were I in that position) that Jose will be a monster again, and you won't be able to buy low on him again until after his peak has ended. Start at 5 years, 50 million.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Feb 02 2010 07:51 PM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

[quote="MFS62"]Other = Watch Reyes closely for half a year, but also see how well Tejada is playing at Buffalo. Miguel hit .289 in AA ball at the age of 19 last year. If Reyes continues to have health problems, and Tejada continues to impress, consider replacing him with the kid (long term). He may not be as flashy as Reyes, but I see him developing into a steady, Alfonso- type player. But with a shortstop glove. You gotta' keep your options open. Later

Jeez. I'm rooting for Ruben Tejada as much as the next guy, but I got a can of Coke says he never comes close to producing like Jose Reyes. I mean, here's Jose's minor league numbers and here's Ruben's. Slash marks (BA/OBP/SLG) through age 19:

Tejada, 17 (Rookie ball): .324/.434/.423
Reyes, 17 (Rookie ball): .250/.359/.318 looking good for Ruben so far...

Tejada, 18 (A+): .229/.293/.296
Reyes, 18 (A): .307/.337/.472 ruh-roh, but maybe this year's an aberration.

Tejada, 19 (AA): .289/.351/.381
Reyes, 19 (A+): .288/.353/.462
Reyes, 19 (AA): .287/.331/.425 Not too shabby. Jose's established (a decent amount) more power through 19, but Ruben seems to be a little more patient.

And there's the thing. Reyes was never much of a patient player in the minors, which was pretty much his only weakness. Then, after playing in the majors for the better part of three years, kinda not doing so good, suddenly flipped a switch and became a guy who walks seven percent of the time, turning him from a "flashy" player into an absolute stud. He also started posting his best slugging numbers of his career in the majors. He's one of an extremely small group of players who significantly improved both his power and patience over his minor league numbers.

I suppose the same could happen with Tejada, but I wouldn't hold my breath. When I think upside for Ruben, I think Luis Castillo circa 1999, which would be pretty awesome, but it wouldn't be Jose Reyes.

I think my heart would break if the team let Reyes go in his prime. Don't go, Jose!

seawolf17 Feb 02 2010 07:57 PM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

I'm with VCF. Sign him up, and sign him up now.

MFS62 Feb 02 2010 09:33 PM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

I never said Tejada will be as good as Reyes. I just said my "other" option would be to monitor Reyes' health. If he can't play, or gets re-injured (knocking some serious wood) then I don't think Tejada would be too shabby, and might turn into a pretty good ballplayer. Maybe not anther Reyes, but pretty good. Later

Nymr83 Feb 02 2010 10:44 PM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

considering that they have the option for 2011 theres no reason to make hasty decisions. i wouldnt do anything until you are sure he's healthy. after that, start talking contract, but theres no reason to get aggressive until at least NEXT offseason. exercise the option when it comes time, and keep negotiating. i wonder though if reyes might be signable for less now than he will be later given the injury. he might not want to give away all his best free agent years right now, but what if the mets agreed to two years (2011 and 2012) at something like 12 million a year? this amounts to 13 for 2012 from reyes' perspective because he'd otherwise be re-upped for 11, and it gives him some security at a time where he's coming off a major injury while only sacrificing one more year before hitting the market (or getting a big deal from the mets)

Frayed Knot Feb 03 2010 07:00 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

[quote="MFS62"]I never said Tejada will be as good as Reyes. I just said my "other" option would be to monitor Reyes' health. If he can't play, or gets re-injured (knocking some serious wood) then I don't think Tejada would be too shabby, and might turn into a pretty good ballplayer. Maybe not anther Reyes, but pretty good.

Well if Reyes can't play that's one thing, but do realize how rarely players like him come along to the point where you don't want to just opt to not sign Jose because this Tejeda kid is coming along.
And "an Alfonzo-type player" (at least what Fonzie was for that 3-4 year span) in a package w/a SS glove would basically be a fucking monster and I don't think even the most optimistic folks see anything like that in his future.

And as an aside, I wish the Mets would slow down the fast-tracking of these kids and maybe they would get a chance to develop into whatever they're going to be.

seawolf17 Feb 03 2010 09:57 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

I always assume that the Mets pump the hell out of prospects in hopes that some other team will see value that isn't there so they can trade us a washed-up middle reliever for them.

Frayed Knot Feb 03 2010 10:29 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

It's not so much that they pump them up - I always felt that since getting burned by the 'Gen-K' trio I think the amount of prospect info/hype coming from the team itself has been fairly light - but that they seem to try and rush their guys (particularly the Latin ones for whatever reason) up the ladder so quickly sometimes skipping rungs and often without regard to whether the kid was ready to put his existing level behind him or not. * Tejada, Flores, Martinez, and others would still be young for their leagues even if they were dropped one or even merely "held back" so as to at least start this coming season at the same spot where they ended last year. Instead, the org seems to want to see how quickly they can get them either to the bigs or at least to the brink of it rather than making sure they're ready once they get there. And, yeah, you can say that moving them up quickly is a form of trade hype as it makes them seem closer to paydirt but other clubs aren't going to be fooled by that stuff even if fans are. In fact it might actually backfire as good A-ball numbers by a youngster often look more trade-attractive than mediocre AA stats, particularly if he'd be younger than average in either spot. Tejeda skipped low-A ball entirely and went to A+ despite his age Martinez had barely 300 ABs in low-A & High-A combined before hitting AA Flores skipped Brooklyn and so he could be the youngest player in full-season baseball last year (as was Fartinez 2 years back)

Edgy DC Feb 03 2010 11:25 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

Them's just the ones that survived. Hector Pellot is still searching for himself years later after hitting the Sallie League as a teenager. Tim Teufel's whole roster seemed to be loaded with sink-or-swim teens.

bmfc1 Feb 03 2010 11:37 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

Video of Flores, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhamvZ2g060

TheOldMole Feb 03 2010 11:41 AM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

Sign him. How about a little loyalty?

attgig Feb 03 2010 01:00 PM Re: So, Speaking of Reyes

man, comparing reyes to other shortstops and trying to see how much he would be worth... the phillies got rollins on the way cheap with his 5 year 40 mil contract. I would think reyes' contract STARTS at the 11mil/year that his option is at, but most likely more.