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Edgy DC
Feb 05 2010 05:14 PM

Joel Sherman, given every chance to dump on the Mets as Orlando Hudson disappears from the market... doesn't really.

No doubt Hudson is a better player than Castillo and, thus, would have helped the Mets more. But Dodgers officials were actually disappointed in Hudson’s overall game and, remember, Joe Torre benched Hudson in favor of Ronnie Belliard late in the year. They were quickly surprised that Hudson was not faster with a few inside the organization derisively turning his nickname from O-Dog to Slow-Dog. They also came to believe that his defensive reputation was overinflated; that he was fantastic on pop-ups, but very ordinary on grounders.

That being said the Twins – like the Mets with Castillo – needed to upgrade on Nick Punto, and Hudson is definitely an upgrade.


The funny thing is he gets a big assist from Keith Law, who suggests, among other things, that the Twinkies were more desperate for an upgrade than the Metskies.

The Twins continue a quietly solid offseason that should make them contenders again in a weak division in 2010 by signing Orlando Hudson, a far better hitter than anyone the Twins ran out at second base in 2009. Minnesota's second basemen "hit" -- and I use that term loosely -- an aggregate .209/.302/.267 in 2009; American League second basemen (including the Twins' culprits) hit .275/.336/.428 on the season. That offensive sinkhole cost the Twins at least two wins over the course of last season, which at the very least meant the difference between entering the playoffs with a somewhat rested pitching staff and entering them having thrown everything against the wall just to get in.

Hudson had an unusually strong year hitting from the left side, but even if he reverts to his previous form at the plate will give the Twins more baserunners and more thump from a position where they were getting marginally more offense than they'd have received from sending a good-hitting pitcher to the plate. Hudson was a premium defensive player while he was with Toronto, but spent the last four years with teams that emphasized defense less than the Jays did, and his defense suffered, with traditional evaluations and defensive metrics agreeing that he was average or even a tick below. It's possible that was just a function of age, but it's also possible that Hudson needs to be with a coach (or staff) who works with him constantly on his glovework for him to be effective on defense; it's one area of the game where coaching can make a huge difference, including areas like positioning. The Twins have generally run good defensive clubs out there the last few years, and they've been willing to sacrifice some offense for better defense -- it's mostly speculation on my part, but I think there's a good chance that Hudson rediscovers some of his lost defensive value in Minnesota.

Joel Sherman of the New York Post wrote Friday that the Dodgers were disappointed in how slow Hudson was, even referring to him as "Slow-Dawg," a play on his "O-Dawg" nickname. This struck me as incredibly funny, since I saw Hudson a lot when we were both in Toronto, and he was never a plus runner, stealing 19 bases in three and a half years -- yet when he was on first base, pitchers would throw over to hold him with absurd frequency. And from talking to people with Arizona, I know they noticed the same phenomenon when Hudson played there. Unfortunately, I think the cause here is that Hudson looks the part of a speedy, low-power middle infielder, and scouts and coaches are making assumptions that just don't bear out in reality. He's not fast, he's never been fast, and anyone who files a report on him with a grade of 50 (average) or better for his running speed has made a bad evaluation.

Frayed Knot
Feb 05 2010 05:22 PM
Re: Views of the Hudson

As long as I don't get Capt. Sulley's view of the Hudson I'm OK with it.




I think sometimes that if a player 'looks fast' (read: thin and black) a rep for speed stays with him longer than it should.

Nymr83
Feb 05 2010 09:16 PM
Re: Views of the Hudson

[quote="Edgy DC"]Joel Sherman, given every chance to dump on the Mets as Orlando Hudson disappears from the market... doesn't really.

No doubt Hudson is a better player than Castillo and, thus, would have helped the Mets more. But Dodgers officials were actually disappointed in Hudson’s overall game and, remember, Joe Torre benched Hudson in favor of Ronnie Belliard late in the year. They were quickly surprised that Hudson was not faster with a few inside the organization derisively turning his nickname from O-Dog to Slow-Dog. They also came to believe that his defensive reputation was overinflated; that he was fantastic on pop-ups, but very ordinary on grounders.

That being said the Twins – like the Mets with Castillo – needed to upgrade on Nick Punto, and Hudson is definitely an upgrade.



Sherman turned down a chance to dump on the Mets in favor of a chance to tell us how the beloved Yankee Torre still knows best.

think sometimes that if a player 'looks fast' (read: thin and black) a rep for speed stays with him longer than it should.


'thin and white' on the other hand gets you a reputation for being 'scrappy' or 'a gamer'

Ashie62
Feb 06 2010 04:19 PM
Re: Views of the Hudson

I guess then Luis Castillo is better than Nick Punto