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John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 10 2010 07:59 AM

Gronauer Nickeas Pena also, the Commish kiboshed the Jay Marshall waiver claim.

Fman99 Mar 10 2010 10:35 AM Re: You're Cut

Now go home and get your shinebox.

Edgy DC Mar 10 2010 10:38 AM Re: You're Cut

How about Billy Brad Pitt Beane getting caught out?

Ceetar Mar 10 2010 10:40 AM Re: You're Cut

Add in Carlos Muniz.

Edgy DC Mar 10 2010 02:59 PM Re: You're Cut

Unsurprising, since he's a rehab case, but do you have a confirmation link?

Ceetar Mar 10 2010 03:00 PM Re: You're Cut

Edgy DC wrote: Unsurprising, since he's a rehab case, but to you have a confirmation link? Rubin tweeted it earlier today, I'd look for one but it's 5pm and it's quittin' time.

TransMonk Mar 10 2010 03:07 PM Re: You're Cut

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2 ... es-ik.html Adam Rubin wrote: - Reliever Carlos Muniz was dispatched to minor-league camp

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 15 2010 08:07 AM Re: You're Cut

sayeth Rubin "unoffically": Thole Bowman Niesen Egbert Fogg Dickey Blackley Livingston Lopez Green Hessman Cervenak Feliciano L. Hernandez Fogg he said may retire. He is battling an injury.

metsguyinmichigan Mar 15 2010 08:16 AM Re: You're Cut

Do we have another Green in camp besides Shawn? OE: Andy. Now the Rubin post makes sense.

Ceetar Mar 15 2010 08:21 AM Re: You're Cut

@SurfingTheMets Andy Green has had a leg injury. I believe a hamstring. Wore number 10 last year. Have his autograph.

Edgy DC Mar 15 2010 08:26 AM Re: You're Cut

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Do we have another Green in camp besides Shawn? OE: Andy. Now the Rubin post makes sense. Sean, baby, not Shawn. Yikey.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 15 2010 08:30 AM Re: You're Cut

Of those guys, I would say that Dickey had the best shot at making the team, albeit a very slim one.

Edgy DC Mar 15 2010 08:36 AM Re: You're Cut

I had dreamed a little dream of Mike Cervenak.

MFS62 Mar 15 2010 08:53 AM Re: You're Cut

I'm going to stop for a moment and think good thoughts about J. Feliciano. I wish him that elusive major league contract some day. Later

metsguyinmichigan Mar 15 2010 08:58 AM Re: You're Cut Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 15 2010 09:22 AM

Edgy DC wrote: Do we have another Green in camp besides Shawn? OE: Andy. Now the Rubin post makes sense. Sean, baby, not Shawn. Yikey. Apologies. Any such errors, while typically unforgivable, are given slight slack on the Monday morning following the spring daylight savings time adjustment. Of course, if this was a Peter Golenbock book, he would have called him Sam Greene, and had him playing for the Marlins. Accuracy is not Peter's forte. But I should know better.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 15 2010 09:12 AM Re: You're Cut

Everts and Neuiwenhuis also whacked.

Edgy DC Mar 15 2010 09:20 AM Re: You're Cut

Damn, it's bloody out there today. Don't answer the door, Hessman.

metirish Mar 15 2010 09:21 AM Re: You're Cut

So when kids like this are cut don't they just stay in PSL anyway?

Benjamin Grimm Mar 15 2010 09:22 AM Re: You're Cut

Usually they move over to the minor league camp.

Frayed Knot Mar 15 2010 09:25 AM Re: You're Cut

metirish wrote: So when kids like this are cut don't they just stay in PSL anyway? Yes, but they're forced to workout only on the back fields where no one talks to them anymore, where women avoid making eye contact, and children spit on them as they walk by. Actually, they're still eligible to play in regular games and so on, it's largely just a paperwork move for guys who weren't going to make the OD squad anyway. Of the cut-squad so far, only Thole can be seen as even a mildly surprising move - and even then only for the timing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 15 2010 09:30 AM Re: You're Cut

Edgy DC wrote: Damn, it's bloody out there today. Don't answer the door, Hessman. Hessman? You're cut too. (sorry left him off the list by accident)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 15 2010 09:38 AM Re: You're Cut

Edgy DC wrote: I had dreamed a little dream of Mike Cervenak. I think I had the same dream about More Mike Hessman. He goes 1-3 with a double against the Nats. Then we go horseback riding. Only there are no horses; he throws a saddle on me and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't you know it, my stamina increases with each day and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Nessman decides to enter me in the Breeder's Cup, right. Under the name “Turkish Delight.” And I'm runnin' in second place, and I'm runnin' and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me, right? Then someone from the crowd yells out-- God bless him-- “Don't shoot him. He's a human!” Also, he made the bench.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 15 2010 09:55 AM Re: You're Cut

dying

metirish Mar 15 2010 09:56 AM Re: You're Cut

LOL....

Edgy DC Mar 15 2010 10:01 AM Re: You're Cut

I thought fatherhood would drain that ability from him. Like it did to whathisname --- that poster who isn't funny anymore.

metirish Mar 15 2010 10:02 AM Re: You're Cut

Edgy DC wrote: I thought fatherhood would drain that ability from him. Like it did to whathisname --- that poster who isn't funny anymore. So I had a few bad seasons, I've bounced back haven't I?

Ashie62 Mar 15 2010 10:16 AM Re: You're Cut

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Damn, it's bloody out there today. Don't answer the door, Hessman. Hessman? You're cut too. (sorry left him off the list by accident) WKRP got cancelled again

MFS62 Mar 15 2010 10:31 AM Re: You're Cut

Remembering all the injuries last year, the catchers got together and voted knuckleballer R A Dickey off the island. Later

Edgy DC Mar 15 2010 02:02 PM Re: You're Cut

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Damn, it's bloody out there today. Don't answer the door, Hessman. Hessman? You're cut too. (sorry left him off the list by accident) Yet Pridie persists.

Vic Sage Mar 15 2010 03:37 PM Re: You're Cut

Edgy DC wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Damn, it's bloody out there today. Don't answer the door, Hessman. Hessman? You're cut too. (sorry left him off the list by accident) Yet Pridie persists. Don't worry... Pridie goeth before the Spring.

seawolf17 Mar 15 2010 06:31 PM Re: You're Cut

Edgy DC wrote: I thought fatherhood would drain that ability from him. Like it did to whathisname --- that poster who isn't funny anymore. Seawolf17.

metsguyinmichigan Mar 17 2010 08:32 AM Re: You're Cut

Bat-chucking Elijah Dukes cut by the Nats, say several tweeters....

Edgy DC Mar 17 2010 08:37 AM Re: You're Cut

My word. Good luck on the Pirates, Elijah.

metsguyinmichigan Mar 17 2010 09:10 AM Re: You're Cut

Oops, I confused Dukes with Delmon Young. Dukes has had issues, but it was Young who tossed the bat at the umpire. Apologies.

Edgy DC Mar 17 2010 09:16 AM Re: You're Cut

Yeah, Dukes threatened to kill his wife in front of schoolkids. Get it straight.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 17 2010 09:18 AM Re: You're Cut

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Oops, I confused Dukes with Delmon Young. Dukes has had issues, but it was Young who tossed the bat at the umpire. Apologies. I'm sooh-ry, MGIM, but we were looking for, 'What is "Father of the Year Elijah Dukes?"'

metsguyinmichigan Mar 17 2010 11:48 AM Re: You're Cut

And the Mariners have near-Met Petit, who I swear has never thrown a bat nor accosted his wife in front of kids.

metsguyinmichigan Mar 23 2010 09:00 AM Re: You're Cut

Ike Davis, Tobi Stoner and Nick Evans among today's cuts. You gotta feel for Evans. Did he even get a shot this spring?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 23 2010 09:06 AM Re: You're Cut

Who is this Nick Evans fellow of whom you speak?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 23 2010 09:08 AM Re: You're Cut

Stoner? You're cut. Pridie, take one step forward. All those in the front row are optioned to Buffalo. Davis, Riggans, Cabrera: You're cut too.

PiggiesTomatoes Mar 23 2010 09:26 AM Re: You're Cut

Looks like Buffalo may not have a half bad team this season. In fairness, I do feel badly for Evans and Davis. Evans, as mentioned, for not getting much of a shot. Davis, because he smacked the crap out of the ball in his AB's and Murph is playing more like a Smurf this spring. I'd rather see Jacobs starting at first but if not him, play Davis.

metsguyinmichigan Mar 23 2010 09:29 AM Re: You're Cut

My guess is that Davis is headed right where he expected to be going, and knows that his strong spring set the stage for a potential -- if not likely -- call-up this summer.

MFS62 Mar 23 2010 09:39 AM Re: You're Cut

LIST A Misch Mejia Takahashi Figueroa Dessens LIST B Perez Pelfrey Nieve Santana Niese Maine Igarashi What do players on List A have in common? What do players on List B have in common? Well, if you guessed that List A is the list of Met pitchers who may be cut, i.e. not make the 25-man roster and that List B is a list of pitchers who will make the roster, you'd be half-right. List A is actually the list of pitchers that have put up an ERA below 2.00 so far this Spring, and List B is the list of pitchers who have an ERA over 5.00 so far this Spring. Keep repeating to yourself, "its only Spring Training". Later

metsguyinmichigan Mar 23 2010 10:01 AM Re: You're Cut

Scott Schoenweis cut today by the Brewers.

smg58 Mar 23 2010 10:54 AM Re: You're Cut

Parnell's ERA is at 2.89. Do we even know if his spot is safe?

duan Mar 23 2010 11:40 AM Re: You're Cut

by my reckoning there's 17 pitchers in camp, of which we're likely to keep 12. there they are right now in order of Innings pitched (right col ,era is left col) who stays who goes, and who can go without getting exposed to others. M Pelfrey 7.36 14.2 O Perez 5.73 11 J Mejia 1.69 10.2 P Misch 0.9 10 B Parnell 2.89 9.1 F Nieve 6 9 J Santana 9 9 H Takahashi 0 8.1 N Figueroa 0 8 R Igarashi 5.63 8 J Niese 7.04 7.2 J Maine 11.37 6.1 S Green 4.76 5.2 E Dessens 1.69 5.1 P Feliciano 0 4.2 F Rodriguez 6 3 K Calero 4.5 2

smg58 Mar 23 2010 12:44 PM Re: You're Cut

Hmm. Dessens is minor-league depth, but that still leaves four pitchers. Igarashi should need to out-pitch some relievers with ML experience and he's not doing it; down to three. Otherwise? I think Niese had to stand up and take the rotation spot away from the guys with no options, but I'm not sure the Mets are thinking on those lines. That would still leave two, though. I might try to buy time with Maine, as he doesn't look ready right now.

TransMonk Mar 23 2010 03:44 PM Re: You're Cut

This is how I see the roster going north right now: SP1: Johan Santana (L) SP2: Mike Pelfrey (R) SP3: Oliver Perez (L) SP4: John Maine (R) SP5: Nelson Figueroa (R) CL: Francisco Rodriguez (R) RP: Pedro Feliciano (L) RP: Hisanori Takahashi (L) RP: Kiko Calero (R) RP: Pat Misch (R) RP: Fernando Nieve (R) RP: Bobby Parnell (R) CF: Angel Pagan (S) 2B: Luis Castillo (S) SS: Jose Reyes (S) 3B: David Wright (R) LF: Jason Bay (R) 1B: Daniel Murphy (L) RF: Jeff Francoeur(R) C: Rod Barajas (R) C: Henry Blanco (R) INF: Alex Cora (L) OF: Gary Matthews Jr. (S) UTL: Fernando Tatis (R) UTL: Chris Carter (L) I'd let Parnell, Nieve, Misch and Takahashi know that they are in the bullpen auditioning for a starting job should any of Figueroa, Maine, Perez or Pelfrey falter. I really don't mind our lineup, bench and bullpen...but that rotation is going to do us in. Didn't we say that in December? On edit: If Reyes isn't ready by opening day, then Tejada should ride some pine...but I bet Jose will be ready.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 23 2010 04:05 PM Re: You're Cut

Is that your preference or your prediction? My prediction matches the above, with three exceptions: I think Mejia, Jacobs, and Niese will make the team, and Misch, Carter, and Figueroa won't. I prefer it TransMonk's way, though.

Frayed Knot Mar 23 2010 05:22 PM Re: You're Cut

The only guy "left out" there is Green in the pen, although - as mentioned elsewhere - he does have options even though they do have to pay him at his full ML rate during any time spent in the minors.

Ashie62 Mar 23 2010 05:29 PM Re: You're Cut

Is there any chance Carter steals the 1B job from Muffy?

TransMonk Mar 23 2010 07:48 PM Re: You're Cut

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Is that your preference or your prediction? Sorry...to clarify...this is my preference.

MFS62 Mar 23 2010 09:28 PM Re: You're Cut

Ashie62 wrote: Is there any chance Carter steals the 1B job from Muffy? There's always a chance. But it may be a slim one. Manuel is giving Muffy every chance to snap out of his funk and win the job. Later

Nymr83 Mar 23 2010 11:41 PM Re: You're Cut

wasnt Igarashi given a 2 year deal? that alone likely jumps him onto the roster ahead of Calero and maybe Misch (Misch stays if there isnt another viable long man)

metirish Mar 24 2010 07:59 AM Re: You're Cut

TransMonk wrote: This is how I see the roster going north right now: SP1: Johan Santana (L) SP2: Mike Pelfrey (R) SP3: Oliver Perez (L) SP4: John Maine (R) SP5: Nelson Figueroa (R) CL: Francisco Rodriguez (R) RP: Pedro Feliciano (L) RP: Hisanori Takahashi (L) RP: Kiko Calero (R) RP: Pat Misch (R) RP: Fernando Nieve (R) RP: Bobby Parnell (R) CF: Angel Pagan (S) 2B: Luis Castillo (S) SS: Jose Reyes (S) 3B: David Wright (R) LF: Jason Bay (R) 1B: Daniel Murphy (L) RF: Jeff Francoeur(R) C: Rod Barajas (R) C: Henry Blanco (R) INF: Alex Cora (L) OF: Gary Matthews Jr. (S) UTL: Fernando Tatis (R) UTL: Chris Carter (L) I'd let Parnell, Nieve, Misch and Takahashi know that they are in the bullpen auditioning for a starting job should any of Figueroa, Maine, Perez or Pelfrey falter. I really don't mind our lineup, bench and bullpen...but that rotation is going to do us in. Didn't we say that in December? On edit: If Reyes isn't ready by opening day, then Tejada should ride some pine...but I bet Jose will be ready. I would say this would be pretty damn close to to what we see......nice work you monk

Nymr83 Mar 24 2010 08:06 AM Re: You're Cut

On edit: If Reyes isn't ready by opening day, then Tejada should ride some pine...but I bet Jose will be ready I strongly disagree with this. If Tejada (or Fernando Martinez, or Ike Davis) isn't going to play every day (or at least start 5 times a week) I don't want them on the roster, I'd rather have them playing every day in Buffalo. "riding the pine" isn't where i want my top prospects.

TransMonk Mar 24 2010 08:12 AM Re: You're Cut

Nymr83 wrote: wasnt Igarashi given a 2 year deal? that alone likely jumps him onto the roster ahead of Calero and maybe Misch (Misch stays if there isnt another viable long man) Igarashi can have the spot taken by Parnell or Misch...but each of those 2 have had better springs. There are a couple of viable long men in the bullpen other than Misch. Nymr83 wrote: On edit: If Reyes isn't ready by opening day, then Tejada should ride some pine...but I bet Jose will be ready I strongly disagree with this. If Tejada (or Fernando Martinez, or Ike Davis) isn't going to play every day (or at least start 5 times a week) I don't want them on the roster, I'd rather have them playing every day in Buffalo. "riding the pine" isn't where i want my top prospects. I guess you'd prefer Jacobs?

Nymr83 Mar 24 2010 08:22 AM Re: You're Cut

I'd prefer starting Tejada or Adams, its Tejada in the majors but on the bench that would bother me.

Frayed Knot Mar 24 2010 08:30 AM Re: You're Cut

Nymr83 wrote: wasnt Igarashi given a 2 year deal? that alone likely jumps him onto the roster ahead of Calero and maybe Misch (Misch stays if there isnt another viable long man) A 2-year deal means he's not likely to simply get cut loose if there's not a spot for him on the OD roster, not that he needs to be on the roster for each and every day of those two years (unless there's specific contract language that dictates otherwise). I guess you'd prefer Jacobs? I'd prefer Jacobs to Davis as the 25th guy on the roster*. Of course based on what I've seen I'd prefer Carter to either one of them -- an by 'seen' I mean what I've seen of Jacobs cuz I've seen virtually nothing of Carter. * If Muffy gets hurt or really suxx for an extended time to the point where you want a more full-time 1Bman then you've got a different story and I'd prefer Davis assuming the minor lg stint is going well.

smg58 Mar 24 2010 09:22 AM Re: You're Cut

Calero had a 1.95 ERA last year pitching 60 innings in the NL east. Igarashi had a 3.19 ERA pitching 53 innings in Japan. There shouldn't be a debate as to who the better pitcher is. The contracts are skewed partly because the market in early March when Calero signed was much different than the market (at least as Minaya perceived it) when Igarashi signed in mid-December. Calero has some injury concerns too, but he appears to be healthy now and Igarashi had TJS not that long ago himself.

Ashie62 Mar 24 2010 09:34 AM Re: You're Cut

smg58 wrote: Parnell's ERA is at 2.89. Do we even know if his spot is safe? Only Ryan Seacrest knows for sure

Benjamin Grimm Mar 24 2010 09:48 AM Re: You're Cut

Nymr83 wrote: I'd prefer starting Tejada or Adams, its Tejada in the majors but on the bench that would bother me. I'd agree with that if we're talking about a lengthy stretch. But if it's only for a week in April, I wouldn't be bothered.

Nymr83 Mar 24 2010 10:26 AM Re: You're Cut

well if we're only talking a week then why are we starting tejada's "arbitration clock" or whatever by bringing him up at all?

Benjamin Grimm Mar 24 2010 11:08 AM Re: You're Cut

That's a good point. If it does indeed start his clock, then that's an argument against doing it.

Frayed Knot Mar 24 2010 11:58 AM Re: You're Cut

The "arbitration clock" isn't an all or nothing thing so it really isn't that big a deal as long as the ML assignment is just for a short time. A player gets a day's worth of ML service time for each day that he's on the 25-man roster so a handful of days or even weeks on the ML team this spring is unlikely to make any difference 3 or so years down the road. A longer stay might but that's why backup SSs are Cora-like guys and not young'uns still learning the trade. It's the option assignment and an earlier-than-ideal promotion to the 40-man roster that would matter more as far as being started early - although if you anticipate him being called up at anytime this year those are going to start anyway.. But, if not, I believe Tejeda will still be exempt from needing protection even if not on the 40-man next winter so that, and the option not used by promoting and demoting him, would potentially gain the team some flexibility in the future

Benjamin Grimm Mar 29 2010 05:04 AM Re: You're Cut

Matt Cerone says that Adam Rubin says that Green and Parnell are going to Buffalo, and so is Chris Coste, if he clears waivers.

Edgy DC Mar 29 2010 06:10 AM Re: You're Cut

Wow, that would mean... everybody's wrong.

metirish Mar 29 2010 06:31 AM Re: You're Cut

WOW , we knew Coste was going but the other two is a surprise I suppose , performance wise maybe not though.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 29 2010 07:28 AM Re: You're Cut

Rubin's also been insisting for weeks that Mejia would go north, and I don't believe him. But, there are too many arms, so I could see the other demotions... here's my bullpen guess: Rodriguez Feliciano Igarashi Takahashi Nieve Figueroa Calero * Nieve will disappear at the first sign of trouble + Good start from Parnell and/or Green at AAA OR Escobar's miraculous comeback

Edgy DC Mar 29 2010 07:35 AM Re: You're Cut

So, you've got Niese as the fifth starter? I'm with Bobby. He's got to win it. Leave AAA behind. Otherwise, he's set up to fail.

G-Fafif Mar 29 2010 07:43 AM Re: You're Cut

Nothing against Green and Parnell, but good. No scholarships, as Keith would say. Let 'em earn their way back, particularly submarinin' Sean.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 29 2010 08:05 AM Re: You're Cut

Edgy DC wrote: So, you've got Niese as the fifth starter? I'm with Bobby. He's got to win it. Leave AAA behind. Otherwise, he's set up to fail. Yes, had Niese all the way. I mean, unless he's unhealthy I'm confident he's ready. And for all the love he absorbs I think there's a reason that Figueroa has been released and unclaimed more times than a... um, unclaimed release-ing thing.

Edgy DC Mar 29 2010 08:17 AM Re: You're Cut

I'm just thinking that... he's coming off a gruesome injury (a "complete" tear of the hamstring). There's every reason to think he's still got work to do, if only to get the ol' cahnfidence going. I just figure, what with rainouts and offdays and shit, you can get through the first five weeks with Figgy and Nieve working the five-hole, while Niese finds himself again by (hopefully) beating up on suckers in AAA.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 29 2010 08:33 AM Re: You're Cut

JCL wrote: Rubin's also been insisting for weeks that Mejia would go north, and I don't believe him. Then how do we trust him now? Game over, man! GAME OVER. I like your thinking, Edge... but do you carry an extra pitcher (Mejia?) in the meantime? Second place in the presumed Carter/Jacobs/Catalanotto standoff? Tejada as MI insurance? Also, do I owe you a buck if this is true? Or is that about Mejia?

Edgy DC Mar 29 2010 08:56 AM Re: You're Cut

You owe me a big fat shigabuck if Figgy makes the team. The rest is just windowdressing as far as the bet is concerned, Randolph. Mejia goes down in my scenario. I prefer he go down in any scenario.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 29 2010 09:34 AM Re: You're Cut

I hope I get to give you said simoleon, Mortimer. I hope Mejia goes down, too. I also hope I get to make affectionate, stupid name-based jokes about "Kiko Calero" for a while.

Ashie62 Mar 29 2010 11:55 AM Re: You're Cut

Mejia no, Figgy yes. Figgy can fill almost any role needed. He is too versatile to remove from a suspect pitching staff.

bmfc1 Mar 29 2010 11:57 AM Re: You're Cut

Coste: claimed on waivers by the Nationals.

metirish Mar 29 2010 11:58 AM Re: You're Cut

bmfc1 wrote: Coste: claimed on waivers by the Nationals. Shit , down to ten catchers now.

Edgy DC Mar 29 2010 11:58 AM Re: You're Cut

Well, there's our new roster slot.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 29 2010 12:05 PM Re: You're Cut

If Tak2 is "guaranteed" a roster spot, then we're back at 0.

Ashie62 Mar 29 2010 12:11 PM Re: You're Cut

Chris Coste has been claimed by the Gnats

Edgy DC Mar 29 2010 12:14 PM Re: You're Cut

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: If Tak2 is "guaranteed" a roster spot, then we're back at 0. Which is good.

metirish Mar 29 2010 12:19 PM Re: You're Cut

Who's Tak2, the Japanese guy?

seawolf17 Mar 29 2010 12:36 PM Re: You're Cut

Plus, apparently, Chris Coste was claimed by the Nats.

metirish Mar 29 2010 12:37 PM Re: You're Cut

They finally claimed him on the third try.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 29 2010 12:45 PM Re: You're Cut

Good. Can we give them Schneider back too?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 29 2010 02:06 PM Re: You're Cut

Metirish wrote: Who's Tak2, the Japanese guy? Lefty swingman, not righty Idon'tknowwhatthef*ckheis. KenTak may have been our first, but this Tak looks like he may be the best Tak. Did somebody claim Chris Coste?

Ashie62 Mar 29 2010 05:59 PM Re: You're Cut

Chris Coste will be backing up Ivan Rodriguez who is covering for Jesus Flores. What a mess

Valadius Mar 29 2010 06:47 PM Re: You're Cut

BREAKING!!!!!!!!!1!!1!!!!! Chris Coste is Lord of the Flies!!!!!

Ashie62 Mar 30 2010 07:07 AM Re: You're Cut

Costa Tweets than Kelvim Escobar will stay behind in FL looking for a May return and the Post has Jose Reyes taking 39 pitches in BP and not being ruled out for opening day.

MFS62 Mar 30 2010 09:18 AM Re: You're Cut

Didn't see this anywhere on the CPF, but among all the cuts, I noticed that the Mets re-signed my one-time adoptee Henry Owens. Welcome back home, kid. I kept the light on for ya'. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 30 2010 03:57 PM Re: You're Cut

Pat, we'll Misch ya. Now scram.

bmfc1 Mar 30 2010 04:39 PM Re: You're Cut

Adam Rubin is tweeting again for his new employer. He tells us that F. Martinez and Santos have been sent to AAA and Manny Acosta has been claimed on waivers from Atlanta and sent to AAA. AdamRubinESPN

Ashie62 Mar 30 2010 09:08 PM Re: You're Cut

I suspect martinez will be back soon. I don't inderstand Blanco over Santos.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 30 2010 09:24 PM Re: You're Cut

Lefty-killer Ryan Garko apparently headed for the freebie-bin. Interesting.

Ashie62 Mar 30 2010 10:13 PM Re: You're Cut

Interesting indeed. I believe he can catch. I believe this "highly touted" prospect has been treated for a nervous disorder.

Nymr83 Mar 30 2010 10:19 PM Re: You're Cut

Ashie62 wrote: I don't inderstand Blanco over Santos. Blanco is considered superior defensively and almost equal at the plate

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 30 2010 11:06 PM Re: You're Cut

Ashie62 wrote: Interesting indeed. I believe he can catch. I believe this "highly touted" prospect has been treated for a nervous disorder. He "can catch" like Jacobs can catch, or Tatis can catch, or Pat Misch can catch. Garko was a college catcher, but the Indians took the padded glove away, in much the same way you might take a knife away from a toddler-- so as to keep him from hurting himself and/or others. He does, however, have options left; if they want to pick him up, he's stashable. I have no idea about the nervous disorder business.

Ashie62 Mar 31 2010 05:21 AM Re: You're Cut

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ashie62 wrote: Interesting indeed. I believe he can catch. I believe this "highly touted" prospect has been treated for a nervous disorder. He "can catch" like Jacobs can catch, or Tatis can catch, or Pat Misch can catch. Garko was a college catcher, but the Indians took the padded glove away, in much the same way you might take a knife away from a toddler-- so as to keep him from hurting himself and/or others. He does, however, have options left; if they want to pick him up, he's stashable. I have no idea about the nervous disorder business. You are correct. Joey Votto was institutionalized for depression and anxiety at the start of the 2008 season. For some reason I always confuse these teo.

seawolf17 Mar 31 2010 06:16 AM Re: You're Cut

If he has options, why would the Mariners have waived him? You'd think they'd just stash him themselves, unless they think he really has nothing to offer. And considering the history of guys the Mariners don't want but the Mets do (see: Putz, JJ and Green, Sean), maybe I'll pass. He just gets in the way of Carter and/or Davis.

metirish Mar 31 2010 06:48 AM Re: You're Cut

I tend to agree with Wolf here , and to me Garko is one of those players Mets fans covet but in actuality would probably suck if he ever got here. From The Seattle Times Sources said the Mariners placed Garko on waivers Tuesday, having been largely unimpressed by his glovework since the start of spring training. The team had initially hoped Garko, earning just $550,000, could be a first-base platoon partner for Casey Kotchman, but instead wound up considering him and Sweeney to be vying for the same right-handed designated hitter's job. Sweeney's reputation as a player of tremendous character may have been the tipping point.

Edgy DC Mar 31 2010 06:56 AM Re: You're Cut

seawolf17 wrote: And considering the history of guys the Mariners don't want but the Mets do (see: Putz, JJ and Green, Sean), maybe I'll pass. I object. You left out Jeremy Reed. I'm often wrong about who has options, but I can't picture a scenario where he does. If he wants to be a Bison, I've got no issues. His numbers suggest he's a decent platoon candidate, and maybe he can take the Buffalo slot that would have gone to Chris Coste. If not, whatev. The Mets obviously have a bunch of first base options, but not a lot of righthanded choices. Sweeney's one of those fat(ish) white guys without a position but manages to always hack his way into the lineup somewhere.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 31 2010 09:22 AM Re: You're Cut

If he has options, why would the Mariners have waived him? You'd think they'd just stash him themselves, unless they think he really has nothing to offer. Since he was signed to a ML deal (however paltry), he was taking up 40-man space, and they had to make room on the 40-man, for Sweeney and some of the young bullpen/bench folk. (Same reason the Braves waived Acosta.) Garko can still be sent down once without the waivers/player approval song-n'-dance. Also, another interesting bit from the Seattle Times article: SaberJack talks grit? "No matter whether you're a sabermetrics guy, or a traditional scout, it always gets down to evaluation," Zduriencik said. "And the evaluation part of it is not sitting here and telling you whether Matt Tuiaososopo can play four or five positions on the baseball field. That's part of it. But the other part of evaluation is what's inside of his heart and head. "I mean, when you bring people in to work with you, that's an important aspect."

bmfc1 Mar 31 2010 09:46 AM Re: You're Cut

The Indians waived LHP Jeremy Sowers. His numbers against lefties last year weren't very good so as desperate as the Mets might be for a complement to Feliciano, he doesn't look like a good alternative. http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_pla ... tSplit1=lb

MFS62 Mar 31 2010 10:30 AM Re: You're Cut

Jacobs is starting at first base today. Manuel has noted that Jacobs "can catch", but he hasn't done that for years. Carter has been played a lot of OF in ST, including one game in center field. IMO the decision on keeping them will boil down to where Jerry feels he has the most backup need. And (I hope) the optioning of Martinez may open that OF spot for Carter. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 31 2010 12:13 PM Re: You're Cut

Pack a few extra layers, Pat Misch-- you've cleared waivers and are headed to the land of hot wings and fancy mozzarella*. *I know where buffalo mozzarella really comes from.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2010 07:27 PM Re: You're Cut

Carter and...

metirish Apr 02 2010 07:36 PM Re: You're Cut

Calero , Parnell, Figgy, Dessens and Adams

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2010 07:37 PM Re: You're Cut

Holy hell. Carter Calero Parnell Dessens Figueroa Adams That means Tejada and Mejia have made the squad. Along with both Japanese pitchers, Nieve and Green.

metirish Apr 02 2010 07:46 PM Re: You're Cut

The Mets did the cuts behind closed doors late at night far from NY

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2010 07:48 PM Re: You're Cut

metirish wrote: The Mets did the cuts behind closed doors late at night far from NY Just like school on Saturday. No Class. I. Cannot. Believe. Meija. Made. It.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2010 07:51 PM Re: You're Cut

They are still up one extra pitcher, it could come down to Green or Valdes. What a story Valdes would be.

metirish Apr 02 2010 07:54 PM Re: You're Cut

I'm not surprised that Mejia made it , and that's not now knowing that he did but everything Jerry was saying indicated that he wanted him bad.

seawolf17 Apr 02 2010 07:55 PM Re: You're Cut

I thought Green was already ticketed for Buffalo? Let's go Jenrry!

Valadius Apr 02 2010 07:59 PM Re: You're Cut

Yeah, I thought Green got sent down already. Or was that an Adam Rubin tweet that was flat-out wrong?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 02 2010 08:12 PM Re: You're Cut

So, we've got... 1) Keep Jacobs over Carter, hands-down... and Catalanotto over him, as well. Well, Carter has options-- there's your rationale (or a portion of it). So you're aiming at keeping a competitive team, but the move's more about flexibility-- within the 25-man and in general-- and holding onto assets. Not win-now, but more "hold." 2) Keep Green over Figueroa. Letting go of the more useful pitcher, and potentially losing him to another team/merc work abroad. over sending down a less-useful guy, A GUY WITH OPTIONS. I don't know what this is. 3) Then, Calero cut for Mejia to do bullpen work and stick with the hard stuff. So, Mejia's likely going to be a Super Two directly, and for the benefit of early-season work for a (likely) non-contending team. A win-now, fuck the future (at least a little) move. That's three moves at once, ranging from "sorta-dumbshit" to "wicked fucking stupid," and each indicating a slightly different aim in roster construction. Let's Go Mets!

Valadius Apr 02 2010 08:17 PM Re: You're Cut

What this indicates to me is that Jerry Manuel has way too much influence over roster moves. He should be planning to use what players he's given, not fucking around with our future for his short-term woodies over Mejia's fastball.

seawolf17 Apr 02 2010 08:28 PM Re: You're Cut

OR Mejia becomes a dynamite short man, bridging the gap between a six-inning starting staff and Fodriguez, and the Mets put together a run early, then get Reyes back for a boost, then Beltran back for another boost, make some noise in the division with a bit of a lead, then trade the entire farm system for a washed-up bat in July, and finish three games out of the playoff picture. (Wait. I liked the way I started that, then I fell off at the end.) Seriously, though, maybe he's part of the answer? Why wait, if you can try to win some games now?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2010 08:36 PM Re: You're Cut

Yeah, I guess you have to look at the upsides, it will be exciting to have a 20-year-old phenom hanging around. The other compelling argument was that it wasn't just Jerry that liked him, but that, accordign to the writers, it was plainly obvious to the players that he was good enough to belong. I could give a rat's ass about Super Two. Bring it on. I mean really, this is not something the Mets ought to let be a dealbreaker. All that said, I really thought they wouldn't have done it. If Figueroa passes through waivers for the 6th time, will fans stop having heart attacks every time he gets sent down?

metirish Apr 02 2010 08:38 PM Re: You're Cut

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: If Figueroa passes through waivers for the 6th time, will fans stop having heart attacks every time he gets sent down? Hey , that's no way to talk about a guy coming up on 300 wins......typical Mets to treat a man like that......behind closed doors late at night they did him.

MFS62 Apr 02 2010 08:51 PM Re: You're Cut

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Carter Calero Parnell Dessens Figueroa Adams Many arguments can be (and have been) made about why you disagree with each of those cuts. But they still have been made. I wanted Figgy to stick, and it looks like he probably will be lost,on waivers or as a free agent. I realize its not like they've lost a sure fire 25 game winner. But still.... Fuck! Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 02 2010 08:55 PM Re: You're Cut Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2010 09:03 PM

Seawolf17 wrote: Seriously, though, maybe he's part of the answer? Why wait, if you can try to win some games now? Because the potential difference in value between the shittiest of shitty relievers and Mariano Fucking Rivera at the height of his batter-freezing/cousin-electrocuting powers is about 2.5-3 games. The difference between Mejia and, say, Calero-- best-case scenario-- is significantly less than that. Because bringing him up now, for use as a reliever-- when his primary weakness as a pitcher is his secondary pitchers, which-- delays his development as a starter by at least a season. Or, if he's a success, and they want to keep him there, we get Joba II. Because it starts his arbitration clock, which means that if he stays up at the major-league level for a good portion of the year, we'll potentially lose two cheap years of a decent-to-amazing starter for one of an above-average-- best-case scenario-- "eighth-inning guy." There's other reasons. I think I've ranted about 'em elsewhere, so I won't bore everyone with 'em here. MFS62 wrote: I wanted Figgy to stick, and it looks like he probably will be lost,on waivers or as a free agent. I realize its not like they've lost a sure fire 25 game winner. Naw. He'll probably only win 12 or so with the Phils.

Gwreck Apr 02 2010 08:57 PM Re: You're Cut

I keep wavering on who I want fired first, but Omar just took a big leap forward today.

Edgy DC Apr 02 2010 09:14 PM Re: You're Cut

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Because the potential difference in value between the shittiest of shitty relievers and Mariano Fucking Rivera at the height of his batter-freezing/cousin-electrocuting powers is about 2.5-3 games. Sorry. I'm just not prepared to believe that at all. I also think it's highly speculative that it delays his development as a starter, and I don't give a tinker's damn about his arbitration clock.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 02 2010 09:39 PM Re: You're Cut

We'll agree to disagree about the value of relievers in general, it seems. I will not stipulate that Mejia seems anything more than a marginal on-field upgrade-- at best-- over the other options available for that roster/pen slot. Would you? Regarding his development, well, setting aside the stretching-out business, the kid simply doesn't have reliable, commandable secondary pitches. He will not have significant opportunity-- innings or role-wise-- to work on said secondary pitches in the major-league bullpen. He may, in fact, be actively discouraged from doing so in-game. Therefore, if he will be a starter again at some point in the future, he will have to get said work in somewhere. If that work is not being done this year, it will be done at some point after this year. Ergo, if he's successful in the 'pen, he loses a year. At least. (He may just end up going Joba.) And regarding arb time... if you choose not to give a shit about whether or not we lose cheap service time out of the guy, hey, that's your prerogative. But it has a significant impact on the way the team will be constructed, and on what kind of supporting players the team can afford to retain/acquire... an impact that will begin to be felt as soon as 2-3 years from now. Also, it's exactly the sort of thing that a prudent general manager should care about, even if you don't.

Edgy DC Apr 02 2010 10:23 PM Re: You're Cut

It's a burst of luck if a pitcher is still active and reasonably effective six years down the road. Six years. I don't think it's worth getting hung up on. If he's still healthy then, and pitching well, then those who decided to promote him when they did will sure look vindicated. Check out the National League ERA leaders from six years ago. 1. Peavy (SDP) 2.27 2. Johnson (ARI) 2.60 3. Sheets (MIL) 2.70 4. Zambrano (CHC) 2.75 5. Clemens (HOU) 2.98 6. Perez (PIT) 2.98 7. Pavano (FLA) 3.00 8. Schmidt (SFG) 3.20 9. Leiter (NYM) 3.21 10. Perez (LAD) 3.25 Number one remains a very good pitcher Numbers two and five and nine are retired. Number three is coming off a years of injury. Number four is still solid but fading at only 29. Numbers six and seven and eight and ten have been mostly struggling and wasting somebody's money. A lot of it in some cases. If you're reluctant as hell (and most everybody is) to sign an established healthy star pitcher for six years, you certianly don't make a promotion decision on a pitcher based on whether maybe that's going to impact his re-signability six years down the road. If he's good enough then to care about signing. Too much is out of your control before you come to that bridge. Worry about the things you can control. I don't want him promoted now either, because I want him to pitch his way out of the minors, but there's generations of precedent of successful starting pitchers who have initially appeared as relievers.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2010 10:44 PM Re: You're Cut

I know I'm gonna regret this post and the ensuing exchange about 20 seconds after I send this off but what does promoting Mejia today have to do with the fact that six years ago, Clemens, Johnson and Leiter each turned in more than respectable seasons in the twilight of their respective careers? I'm more confused than critical here. Really. By the way, I'm on board with every single point LWFS has been raising in this thread. So I'll just concur instead of repeating the same ideas in a different way. I've also got another rant about deciding today that Mejia, or any specific relief pitcher -really- is going to pitch the 8th inning, before the actual game is at hand ... before even knowing who the hell is due up in the eighth inning .. before knowing the game situation ... which way the wind is blowing ... where the coolest Baseball Annies are sitting in that particular game. I guess this is really a rant about relief pitcher usage in general and not necessarily limited to Mejia. Or relief usage in general but not including the Red Sox, or some of the other, you know, smart franchises.

Nymr83 Apr 02 2010 10:52 PM Re: You're Cut

Mejia is 19 and hasn't pitched above AA, I'm in favor of leaving him down there. If he has a chance to be a good starter then I want him starting in AA/AAA at that age. How many innings would he have potentially pitched for the big club in April anyway? 10? lets see what the other guys can do and if the bullpen is still a mess in a month we can convert 19 yaer old starters into relievers then, there shouldn't be any rush. I'm not especially happy about Carter getting cut though, especially with Murphy hurt thats alot more than I want to see of Mike Jacobs

bmfc1 Apr 03 2010 05:55 AM Re: You're Cut

Can anyone give me a logical argument for keeping Nieve over Figueroa? I know it's a business, but I think of Figueroa telling Kevin Burkhardt the other day that he's never been on a major league roster on Opening Day. That, and the fact that he pitched great (other than one outing) in ST. Why do we even have ST games if you can't make the team based on your performance? Why not just have workouts for a month and then start the season? I know that this isn't what will or will not put the team in the playoffs, and I have nothing against Nieve, but Figueroa should be on the team. Heck, I'd put him in the rotation and sent Perez to Buffalo (or Siberia, if I could) but that's unrealistic. And why Igarashi or Takahashi? Or did the Wilpons tell Omar to keep them on the team to sell Mets stuff in Japan? And LWFS is right about Mejia. The Mets aren't winning anything this year, other than "Team With the Worst GM", so send him to AA or AAA, and let him become a good SP--it's not like the Mets have a plethora in that category.

G-Fafif Apr 03 2010 06:38 AM Re: You're Cut

David Lennon on the FAN last night was unsurprised about Figueroa, said the chances of him making the club were always slim, said the team feels he'll pass through waivers, certainly more readily than Nieve, which I found surprising. Figueroa did nothing wrong dating back to last September. While Nieve didn't have as good a spring, he also did little wrong besides getting injured last year. Gosh, what an embarrassment of pitching riches. Green's and Perez's salaries may have been the true determining factors in shaping this staff; certainly Ollie has no good reason to be anywhere above Buffalo (per bmfc). The human element is Figueroa gave an interview to Kevin Burkhardt the other day (also per bmfc) in which he was on a cloud talking about lining up on Opening Day at Citi Field, delving into his Mets fandom (once nudged) to the point of remembering how they used to play "Celebration" after Met wins at Shea. I wonder if Nelson had taken a different life path, remaining a Mets fan without ever having become a baseball player how he'd view "his" predicament. Would Nelson From Brooklyn (first time, long time) be upset about a hypothetical veteran pitcher who's all but earned it not making the staff or would he be excited that the Mets were giving Mejia a shot? Which I am, incidentally. Unless this is Tim Leary in the howling cold winds of Wrigley Field, a taste isn't gonna kill him or us, arbitration clocks and the like notwithstanding. It's also not all that surprising given that the Mets have taken a relatively untested rookie north three of the past four springs: Joe Smith in '07, Bobby Parnell in '09, now Mejia. Third time's a charm, let's see some talent. And if he's overmatched, send him down. There'll be time for the Caleros and the Dessenses and everybody else to bring us down to earth. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong -- but I'm excited, and either way, it's not my call, so I prefer to have something to be excited about and I'll hope I'm right to have this impulse not for the sake of being on target about projections but for the sake of the Mets being on target in their assessments. I'm also glad to see Takahashi make the team and hope he begins to air the lingering unpleasantness out of No. 47. Casey Fossum was no help in that regard.

Edgy DC Apr 03 2010 06:58 AM Re: You're Cut

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I've also got another rant about deciding today that Mejia, or any specific relief pitcher -really- is going to pitch the 8th inning, before the actual game is at hand ... before even knowing who the hell is due up in the eighth inning .. before knowing the game situation ... which way the wind is blowing ... where the coolest Baseball Annies are sitting in that particular game. I agree with that. I don't know that I'd particularly absolve the Red Sox, but I certainly agree that the quest to find a maigcal eighth-innng guy is a waste of mental and emotional entergy, and a good deal strategically counterproductive. Who was good six years ago is a point about worrying over arbitration clocks.

Frayed Knot Apr 03 2010 08:11 AM Re: You're Cut

I'm not that concerned over the so-called 'arbitration clock' either. If Mejia pitches well enough this season to last most or all of the year at the big league level and then goes on to tack on full seasons in 2011 & 2012 then he'll be eligible for arb in the winter of 12/13 instead of 13/14 - but that also means he's been pitching well all that time and so if they have to pay him $6mil instead of $2 (or whatever) then I'm OK with it. It might also mean FA-gency at the end of 2015 instead of 2016 but, again, that could also be a real good thing and that scenario still only plays out if and only if he spends virtually every day from Monday thru the end of 2015 on the big league roster - hardly a given based on one OD assignment. My problem is that they're seemingly promoting him earlier than would be ideal just so they can say that they've got someone to fill a specifically defined 'role' - one which many fans & media have deemed to be a necessity and one which they are probably reluctant to let go "un-filled" lest they look like they're contradicting themselves after the crowing they were doing just a year ago after they pulled off a big trade specifically for that purpose. And while I don't mind a guy pitching as a reliever for a spell even if the ultimate goal is for him to be a starter down the road, I wish there were more compelling reasons why he is being thrust into the role NOW!!!! other than to 'create a buzz' or because they're not sure they don't think they have anyone else to pigeonhole there.

Edgy DC Apr 03 2010 08:20 AM Re: You're Cut

Yeah, I'm pretty much there. And I need to correct myself that, by looking back six years, I'm thinking in terms of free agency, not arbitration. But on that score, who was the last pitcher who came up with the Mets who reached free agency with the Mets after an uninterrupted tenure?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 03 2010 08:23 AM Re: You're Cut

fwiw, the Mets specifically said they would not use JM in that role, and that, though they'd prefer it otherwise the 8th inning would be a committee, so I'm not sure the 8th inning thing belongs with the motivation for having done this. One justification that's compelling if not scientific is that the players feel he belongs. Anyway I hate to feel like a bad fan for planning to enjoy whstever this experiment brings.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 03 2010 10:14 AM Re: You're Cut

One justification that's compelling if not scientific is that the players feel he belongs. Well, then, the team should probably stop babying Reyes, then. (It's nice, but I don't find it that compelling.) I disagree strongly with the moves they made (the reasons for which some protest and some hail; so it goes). That doesn't mean I'm going to root like hell for the kid to go Human Torch on Chipper Jones, Utley and the rest, and go absolutely apeshit when and if he does. That said, if he succeeds, given who's at the tiller (and presuming they're still there at season's end), I have little doubt we're headed for NextMarianoLand with the kid. And that's a big part of what frustrates me.

smg58 Apr 03 2010 11:31 AM Re: You're Cut

This is frustrating. I can sort of understand starting Jacobs -- I disagree with it, but I can at least see it -- but there is absolutely no defensible reason whatsoever, given recent history and especially given spring performance, why Chris Carter is going to Buffalo and Frank Catalanotto is staying with the Mets. If it has to do with options, why was Figueroa cut? Calero is an established quality reliever. Igarashi is not only a less known commodity than Calero, he's a less known commodity than Parnell. And what part of his 8.53 ERA and 9/8 BB/K ratio this spring made him look like a major league pitcher? Parnell had a 3.46 ERA out of the pen last year; what did he do wrong? And like Carter, what exactly did Figueroa have to do? As for Mejia, keep in mind that six of the nine runs he allowed weren't earned, so you can't go by his ERA to judge his readiness.

Nymr83 Apr 03 2010 11:35 AM Re: You're Cut

bmfc1 wrote: Why do we even have ST games if you can't make the team based on your performance? Why not just have workouts for a month and then start the season? ST is to get ready for the season. why play games? probably mostly for ticket sales, but also to see a larger variety of pitchers/pitches/batters than you would in intrasquad. I'd rather make decisions based on what i know about players going in than based on 40 ABs 1/2 of which are against guys who will never sniff the majors. The only thing I'm looking for in ST (in terms of MLB roster decisions) is to see how guys recovering from injury are looking, are they ready or do they need "extended spring training"? smg58 wrote: This is frustrating. I can sort of understand starting Jacobs -- I disagree with it, but I can at least see it -- but there is absolutely no defensible reason whatsoever, given recent history and especially given spring performance, why Chris Carter is going to Buffalo and Frank Catalanotto is staying with the Mets. If it has to do with options, why was Figueroa cut? Calero is an established quality reliever. Igarashi is not only a less known commodity than Calero, he's a less known commodity than Parnell. And what part of his 8.53 ERA and 9/8 BB/K ratio this spring made him look like a major league pitcher? Parnell had a 3.46 ERA out of the pen last year; what did he do wrong? And like Carter, what exactly did Figueroa have to do? Igarshi was brought in based on a long body of work in Japan that the Mets feel comfortable with, I'd rather rely on that than say "oh no he walked 8 guys in the spring getting ready" agreed on Carter and Parnell, they should bnoth make the team based on what we know they can do from last year, forget spring training

Edgy DC Apr 03 2010 12:14 PM Re: You're Cut

smg58 wrote: This is frustrating. I can sort of understand starting Jacobs -- I disagree with it, but I can at least see it -- but there is absolutely no defensible reason whatsoever, given recent history and especially given spring performance, why Chris Carter is going to Buffalo and Frank Catalanotto is staying with the Mets. I'm as big a Carter booster as anybody, but the fact is that Catalonotto plays more positions, and probably plays them better, and that's a defensible reason, whether we agree with it or not.

Nymr83 Apr 03 2010 01:31 PM Re: You're Cut

Once they made the decision to go with Jacobs over Carter, taking the more versatile Cattalanatto over Carter for the bench is at least defensible. Its the initial Jacobs > Carter decision that bothers me more. I'd rather the Mets would recognize that its worth finding room for Carter and then deciding who else they need. When Reyes is healthy I'd be very annoyed to see Cora AND Catalonatto on the team holding down Carter.

OlerudOwned Apr 03 2010 01:44 PM Re: You're Cut

Sean Green allowing 4 earned on 2 hits, a walk, and a plunk in 2/3 IP today may contribute to landing his ass in Buffalo.

MFS62 Apr 03 2010 02:19 PM Re: You're Cut

Since there was no IGT for today's game, I guess this can go here. This is the second recent game in which GMJ didn't catch an apparently catchable fly ball that led to trouble. For those not following the game, neither GMJ (CF)or Pagan (RF) went for a ball that fell between them for a hit. it led to a grand slam. It is the responsibility of the CF to take charge on plays like that. In the last game Pelfrey pitched (yesterday?), he let a fly ball bounce off his BODY trying for a basket catch (why a basket catch? He misjudged it in the first place.) that allowed two runs to score and kept the inning alive. I can't believe he's still here (and Fernando isn't). Later

Frayed Knot Apr 03 2010 03:19 PM Re: You're Cut

MFS62 wrote: I can't believe he's still here (and Fernando isn't). C'mon! Mathews is here to be a backup - the backup's backup to be specific - and that's not a role you want to put your best prospect in, especially one that's not really a CFer. When Reyes is healthy I'd be very annoyed to see Cora AND Catalonatto on the team holding down Carter. Well when Reyes comes back it's obviously that one of the SS goes - and almost certainly that someone is going to be Tejeda (see reasons for Martinez, F. above) even if he's the one who gets most of the starts in the interim (is "most" even a logical concept when talking about five games?) What happens with the whole Catalanatto/Carter/Jacobs love triangle is not going to have anything to do with the return of Jose-Jose.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 03 2010 08:24 PM Re: You're Cut

Christ. Wottashitshow. Right-hander Kiko Calero, who did not make the team out of spring training despite a 1.95 ERA with the Florida Marlins last season, is being given the choice of whether he wants to report to Buffalo. The Mets won’t force him into playing for the Bisons. Calero would earn $15,000 a month with Buffalo. That's kindly of them, to not hold him to the minor-league contract he signed. Why hold onto a guy who had the best 2009 of any reliever you have? Just because you've got 3-4 guys on the roster who've never thrown a major-league pitch? Pssh.* Hell, why not offer the same option to Santana and Wright, and let them walk to teams of their choice, if they so desire? I mean, that's only fair-- they've done their time. *I get that this is sometimes the case with veterans signed to major-league contracts... that there may be a verbal agreement in place with the guy that if he doesn't make it, he'll be allowed to walk. But, Christ... there's no nobility in shedding a potentially-valuable human resource.

Swan Swan H Apr 03 2010 09:42 PM Re: You're Cut

Are we sure that this doesn't mean that he can either go to Buffalo or continue working at the Extended Spring Training camp in PSL? I've read in a few places that the only reason Calero is not on the roster is that they feel he needs a bit more work to get ready.

MFS62 Apr 04 2010 06:07 PM Re: You're Cut

Mets fans aren't the only folks questioning general managerial decisions at cut-down time. So are the A's .... players: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_le ... mlb,231977 Later

Swan Swan H Apr 04 2010 08:05 PM Re: You're Cut

Step in off the ledge and close the window. Per Adam Rubin (via MetsBlog) Kiko Calero will be reporting to Buffalo.

OlerudOwned Apr 05 2010 10:56 AM Re: You're Cut

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/04/p ... ueroa.html This has ass-biting potential.

Nymr83 Apr 05 2010 10:58 AM Re: You're Cut

If the phils need pitching depth we can trade the versatile Pat Misch for Domonic Brown. limited time offer.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 05 2010 11:01 AM Re: You're Cut

The Phillies have interest in Nelson Figueroa of the Mets, according to Jayson Stark of ESPN.com. The 35-year-old righty is out of options, and has been outrighted before, so he can choose to become a free agent instead of reporting to the minor leagues if he clears waivers. Figueroa, whose waivers expire Wednesday, pitched for the Phillies in 2001. That makes sense. Because he's, y'know, useful. I feel comfortable saying that Sean Green wouldn't get quite as much interest from them (or others).

attgig Apr 07 2010 11:30 AM Re: You're Cut

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The Phillies have interest in Nelson Figueroa of the Mets, according to Jayson Stark of ESPN.com. The 35-year-old righty is out of options, and has been outrighted before, so he can choose to become a free agent instead of reporting to the minor leagues if he clears waivers. Figueroa, whose waivers expire Wednesday, pitched for the Phillies in 2001. That makes sense. Because he's, y'know, useful. I feel comfortable saying that Sean Green wouldn't get quite as much interest from them (or others). phils officially claim nelson according to adam rubin's twitter: http://twitter.com/AdamRubinESPN/status/11766608885

Edgy DC Apr 07 2010 11:33 AM Re: You're Cut

I say we take him back by force.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 07 2010 11:41 AM Re: You're Cut

Let's just make them regret it instead. How hard could it be?

metirish Apr 07 2010 11:45 AM Re: You're Cut Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 07 2010 11:52 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Let's just make them regret it instead. How hard could it be? Yeah , really . It's kind of like Nate Robinson going to the Celtics , Robinson is a dick and Nelly isn't but they are not all that terribly important.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 07 2010 11:49 AM Re: You're Cut

You just have to place some softball girls in the stands each time he pitches.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 07 2010 12:39 PM Re: You're Cut

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... phia-bound T'is official. NellyPhils.

smg58 Apr 07 2010 12:41 PM Re: You're Cut

Hopefully this will be completely inconsequential.

Valadius Apr 07 2010 04:35 PM Re: You're Cut

It's all Jerry's fault.

bmfc1 Apr 08 2010 08:59 AM Re: You're Cut

Nelson Figueroa's father's CF brick: http://metsie.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/ ... tting-cut/

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 08 2010 09:04 AM Re: You're Cut

Geez.

metirish Apr 08 2010 09:11 AM Re: You're Cut

What does it say? , should I even care?

A Boy Named Seo Apr 08 2010 09:13 AM Re: You're Cut

Dude, read it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 08 2010 09:14 AM Re: You're Cut Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 08 2010 09:15 AM

Ugh. It was a dumb move to begin with. This just marks it as even dumber than you thought it was-- however dumb you thought it was-- and in a more profound way.

metirish Apr 08 2010 09:15 AM Re: You're Cut

I can't read it as it's blocked.....some of us are at work you know and not hanging out in Manhattan beach.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 08 2010 09:19 AM Re: You're Cut

"ON 4-11-08 MY SON PITCHED FOR THE METS, AND I DIED AND WENT TO HEAVEN -N. FIGUEROA, SR."

Benjamin Grimm Apr 08 2010 09:19 AM Re: You're Cut

Well, if he's dead now, he doesn't know that his son is a Phillie.

metirish Apr 08 2010 09:20 AM Re: You're Cut

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: "ON 4-11-08 MY SON PITCHED FOR THE METS, AND I DIED AND WENT TO HEAVEN -N. FIGUEROA, SR." I got nothing

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 08 2010 09:25 AM Re: You're Cut

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Well, if he's dead now, he doesn't know that his son is a Phillie. True. He'd just be confused and disoriented from all the grave-spinning.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 08 2010 09:27 AM Re: You're Cut

metirish wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: "ON 4-11-08 MY SON PITCHED FOR THE METS, AND I DIED AND WENT TO HEAVEN -N. FIGUEROA, SR." I got nothing Figgy Sr. apparently bought a brick at Citi and that's what he put on it. The link has a shot of it.

themetfairy Apr 08 2010 12:14 PM Re: You're Cut

bmfc1 wrote: Nelson Figueroa's father's CF brick: http://metsie.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/ ... tting-cut/ OK - now I'm going to cry....

batmagadanleadoff Apr 08 2010 12:31 PM Re: You're Cut

Edgy DC Apr 08 2010 12:34 PM Re: You're Cut

Ok, so I've got to ask. Is it real?

batmagadanleadoff Apr 08 2010 12:55 PM Re: You're Cut

Edgy DC wrote: Ok, so I've got to ask. Is it real? I'm wondering whether Wilpon deducted $395.00 from Figgy's next check once the brick was ordered.

metirish Apr 08 2010 01:13 PM Re: You're Cut

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Ok, so I've got to ask. Is it real? I'm wondering whether Wilpon deducted $395.00 from Figgy's next check once the brick was ordered. LOL..... Is it real now has me thinking though.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 08 2010 01:33 PM Re: You're Cut

It's inspired a fun string in the Amazin' Avenue comments, in which some of our other favorite figures' dads buy bricks: "My son is a zebra. David Wright is a giraffe. — Ryan Church Sr." "I have a son, and my son, I like my son - Omar Minaya, Sr." "On April 5, 2010 My son told me he was the starting first baseman for the Mets. I said, quick clowning around and help me out here in the yard. — Mike Jacobs, Sr."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 08 2010 01:57 PM Re: You're Cut

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: "I have a son, and my son, I like my son - Omar Minaya, Sr." Contest over. Hyperventilating.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 08 2010 02:03 PM Re: You're Cut

Yeah, I was just about to mention the idea, and see what we could all come up with... then I saw that one, and the Jacobs one, and... well... sometimes, all you can do is applaud.

metirish Apr 08 2010 02:06 PM Re: You're Cut

Brillaint

A Boy Named Seo Apr 08 2010 02:17 PM Re: You're Cut

"BOOOOOOO!!!!" - Oliver Perez, Sr.