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The Shy and Retiring Type

Edgy DC Mar 10 2010 09:31 AM

Nomore Nomar. Garciaparra took the trouble fly into Fort Myers and kinda sorta retire as a Red Sock. http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/articl ... p&c_id=mlb

MFS62 Mar 10 2010 09:48 AM They Must Be Teary- eyed in Boston

From ESPN. The Red Sox signed infielder Nomar Garciaparra to a one-day contract, allowing him to formally retire as a member of the organization. Garciappara, 36, formally submitted his retirement papers on Wednesday morning and will join ESPN's "Baseball Tonight" as an analyst for the 2010 season. He will leave behind a .313/.361/.521 career batting line, 229 home runs and 936 RBI over 5,596 major league at-bats. Hey! That career OPS is .882. That's higher than Jeter's .862. We finally know who was better. Later

metirish Mar 10 2010 11:15 AM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

He was a good player , not a great player.

Frayed Knot Mar 10 2010 11:40 AM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

He was a great player, but only for a short time.

holychicken Mar 10 2010 11:45 AM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

He was an insane OCD player the whole time, tho.

Edgy DC Mar 10 2010 11:49 AM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

You know, for an amazingly swell guy and all, Derek Jeter to date is the only one of the Super Shortstops to have not directly saved the life of at least one Bostonian.

Frayed Knot Mar 10 2010 12:22 PM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

[quote="Frayed Knot":38has707]He was a great player, but only for a short time.[/quote:38has707] Just to expand on this a bit; for the four seasons from his first full year in 1997 thru 2000, Nomar hit .337/.386/[u:38has707].577[/u:38has707] those numbers included back-to-back seasons of .357 & .372 BAs averaged out to 600 PAs/yr you get a norm of: 40 2Bs, 6 3Bs, 26 HRs, against only 57 Ks -- and that was as a pretty good SS At this point he was 27 years old. Then in 2001 he missed virtually the entire season before bouncing back with good - though not quite the same - years in 2002 & 2003 (~ .305/.350/.525) After that came 2004 and the year he was dealt from Boston - and although his post-Boston numbers weren't as far below as you might think (Boston = .323/.370/.553 vs Career = .313/.361/.521) - he never again had a full season and was no longer a SS. Even now he's still just 36 y/o and younger than a whole bunch of active and even star players. I heard The Boston Globe's Bob Ryan on the radio earlier today making the case that no one hit the ball squarely as often and made fewer 'soft outs' over a several year span than Nomar. He at least had the sense to admit that he could never prove that but that that was his observation after watching him almost daily during that time and the relative lack of strikeouts vs power would tend to at least put him in the running for that kind of title. P.S. Kiko Calero's middle name is Nomar: Enrique Nomar Calero

G-Fafif Mar 10 2010 12:27 PM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

Are one-day contracts for the entire 24 hours, or for only as long as camp is open on the given day?

Edgy DC Mar 10 2010 12:30 PM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

[quote="Frayed Knot"]I heard The Boston Globe's Bob Ryan on the radio earlier today making the case that no one hit the ball squarely as often and made fewer 'soft outs' over a several year span than Nomar. He at least had the sense to admit that he could never prove that but that that was his observation after watching him almost daily during that time and the relative lack of strikeouts vs power would tend to at least put him in the running for that kind of title.

On the one hand, you almost have to call bullshit. On the other hand, this is a guy who has seen a whole lot of Manny Ramirez.

metirish Mar 11 2010 01:27 PM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

Dan Shaughnessy puts the boot in ..... In historically bad taste here Total fraud. Welcome home, Nomie. I hate to be the fly in the punch bowl here, but yesterday’s lovefest involving Nomar Garciaparra and the Red Sox was truly nauseating. If Nomar had been hooked up to a polygraph, the machine would have exploded. Truly unbelievable. There was Nomar, seated between Larry Lucchino and Theo Epstein, telling us how much he always loved the Red Sox, how much he loved the Nation. Gag me. This was like watching Paul McCartney holding hands with Yoko Ono, telling us how much he always loved John Lennon’s wife — in a pathetic effort to sell some product, of course. Do not be fooled. Life is long and people change. There is certainly every possibility that Nomar has matured and will henceforth pledge allegiance to Boston and spread the Gospel of the Red Sox. But it’s downright fraudulent to deny or ignore how bad this relationship was at the end. Nomar hated Boston and the Red Sox in 2004, and the Sox knew they had to get rid of him if they had a chance to win a World Series. It was nasty and personal and it was obvious to everyone who was around the team in that iconic season. No. 5 was Positively 4th Street in 2004. It was a drag just to see him in the clubhouse. That’s why he had to go. And that’s why the Sox eventually won. The Sox had attempted to trade him prior to the season after he turned down a four-year, $60 million contract offer. He arrived in Fort Myers with a burr in his saddle and was miserable from day one. He developed Achilles’ tendinitis, allegedly after a ball hit him in the batting cage (nobody witnessed this). Then came the nationally televised midsummer game at Yankee Stadium, when Nomar refused to play while Derek Jeter saved the game with a face-first plunge into the stands behind third base. It went downhill from there. On the last home weekend before the trading deadline, there was a meeting involving Nomar, agent Arn Tellem, Epstein, and the Sox owners. “We needed to talk about how unhappy Nomar was,’’ Lucchino recalled in December of ’04. “Was there anything that could be done to change his mental state of mind, his approach to the organization, the city, and the game? We basically concluded that there was no way we were going to have a happy Nomar Garciaparra for the last couple of months of the season.’’ So Epstein made the deal, sending Garciaparra to the Cubs a week later. And then the Red Sox turned things around and won the World Series. Before the autumn of ’04, Sox fans certainly had every reason to love Garciaparra. A case can be made that he was Boston’s best home-grown player since Carl Yastrzemski. He played eight seasons with the Sox. He finished second in MVP voting in 1998. He hit .357 and .372 in back-to-back seasons, which made him one of the American League’s best righthanded hitters since Joe DiMaggio. He was Hall of Fame-bound and a legitimate Fenway god. Off the field, he did charity work, kept his mouth shut, and interacted well with fans. He was one of the three great shortstops of his era, alongside Alex Rodriguez and Jeter. Then he split a tendon in his wrist in 2001 and the ball didn’t jump off his bat anymore. He got too muscular and there were more injuries. Looking back at those days and the hideous, shirtless Sports Illustrated cover, it’s natural to wonder whether he succumbed to the temptation of steroids. In good times and bad, Garciaparra was unnecessarily difficult in all interactions with the media. It made no sense, given the fawning coverage he received (and deserved) for the first seven years of his career. Fans needn’t care which players give good sound bites, but no one was more unhappy than Nomar, and it infected the workplace. It’s forgiving of the Sox to bring him back, but there’s no need to reinvent history in the process. Sox fans are too smart. It’s insulting for Epstein, Lucchino, and Garciaparra to insist that this relationship has always been good. In yesterday’s sorry spirit of disingenuousness and hypocrisy, Garciaparra announced that he has taken a job with ESPN. This makes him a member of the media, which is like Sarah Palin telling us she is going to be chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Garciaparra is the one who had a red stripe put down in front of lockers in the Sox clubhouse. Woe was the scribe who crossed Nomar’s line of death. Now he is a credential-wearing media guy, groveling for free food, Marriott points, and a few seconds with 20-year-old Casey Kelly. One cannot help but be reminded of the Frank Graham Jr. line regarding Yankees outfielder Bob Meusel, a cranky player who mellowed at the finish: “He’s learning to say hello when it’s time to say goodbye.’’ Welcome home, Nomie.

Edgy DC Mar 11 2010 02:30 PM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

Next up to pack it in? Please step down, two time All-Star Brian Giles!

Ashie62 Mar 11 2010 04:33 PM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

[quote="Frayed Knot":173ucq9n]He was a great player, but only for a short time.[/quote:173ucq9n] Kinda like Mattingly...same OCD tics as Mr. Wright also

MFS62 Mar 12 2010 07:50 AM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

[quote="Frayed Knot":2l6dcyag]I heard The Boston Globe's Bob Ryan on the radio earlier today making the case that no one hit the ball squarely as often and made fewer 'soft outs' over a several year span than Nomar. He at least had the sense to admit that he could never prove that but that that was his observation after watching him almost daily during that time and the relative lack of strikeouts vs power would tend to at least put him in the running for that kind of title. [/quote:2l6dcyag] I used to say the same thing about Bob Watson. (Now I've just stopped saying it) And I think my vote for that title counts more than Ryan's, because I also watched National League players for a long time, too. Ryan just saw the AL in the years before interleague play. And I have the sense to know I can't prove it either. Later

Benjamin Grimm Mar 12 2010 08:21 AM Re: The Shy and Retiring Type

Just because of his Metly name, I always figured that Brian Giles would spend at least a little time with the Mets.