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Predict the Mets, 2010

bmfc1 Mar 28 2010 04:07 PM

[u:2kxs1hgv]Just the Mets:[/u:2kxs1hgv] 1. Where they will finish in the NL East 2. What the final record will be 3. If you predict a wild card spot, say so 4. If you predict a playoff appearance, how far will they go?

bmfc1 Mar 28 2010 04:08 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

3d place 81-81 No playoffs

metirish Mar 28 2010 04:19 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

2nd place 88-74 playoffs via WC World Series Champs(sorry , couldn't help myself)

attgig Mar 28 2010 05:21 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

1. Where they will finish in the NL East tied 2nd 2. What the final record will be 85-77 3. If you predict a wild card spot, say so no 4. If you predict a playoff appearance, how far will they go? lose one game playoff against marlins. we'll see...

Fman99 Mar 28 2010 05:26 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

1st place 124-38 NL East Champs Win 11 straight playoff games, sweep MFYs to win it all

Benjamin Grimm Mar 28 2010 06:14 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

1. Where they will finish in the NL East THIRD PLACE 2. What the final record will be 83-79 3. If you predict a wild card spot, say so NO 4. If you predict a playoff appearance, how far will they go? NOWHERE

seawolf17 Mar 28 2010 06:29 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Fman stole my thunder, so I'll be more realistic. 1st place 92-70 NL East Champs NLCS Champs over the Rockies WS Champs over Boston

Gwreck Mar 28 2010 06:30 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

I always do these things with my heart and not my head. 91-69 1st place Defeat Colorado in NLCS Defeat Tampa in WS.

TransMonk Mar 28 2010 07:37 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

2nd place 88-74 Wild card Lose in NLCS

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 28 2010 08:12 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

3rd Place 84-78 No playoffs, but hey-- meaningful games in September!

Nymr83 Mar 28 2010 08:38 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

bmfc1 wrote: Just the Mets: 1. Where they will finish in the NL East 2. What the final record will be 3. If you predict a wild card spot, say so 4. If you predict a playoff appearance, how far will they go? 3rd in the NL East 80-82

Edgy DC Mar 28 2010 08:49 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Just the Mets: 1. Where they will finish in the NL East First. 2. What the final record will be 107-55 3. If you predict a wild card spot, say so Nyet. 4. If you predict a playoff appearance, how far will they go? Disneyworld.

Ceetar Mar 28 2010 08:51 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

First Place. 92-70. division, not wild card. #3

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 28 2010 09:23 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

1st, 91-71, div, DS, CS, WS...

Ashie62 Mar 28 2010 09:26 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

bmfc1 wrote: Just the Mets: 1. Where they will finish in the NL East 2. What the final record will be 3. If you predict a wild card spot, say so 4. If you predict a playoff appearance, how far will they go? 1st 93-69 Division Winner WS over MFY's

Mex17 Mar 29 2010 04:15 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Sorry, fellas. . . 72-90 4th place Bob Melvin is the manager by around Memorial Day. Omar is out after the season ends (but maybe before. . .hopefully if they do this they actually conduct a comprehensive search for a new guy and not just promote Ricco as a matter of course). But then it gets better I think. . .

Benjamin Grimm Mar 29 2010 07:18 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

I can't reconcile Pelfrey, Maine, and Perez with 90-plus wins. If those three pitch the way I expect them to pitch, I don't think the Mets will have enough offense to overcome the poor rotation. If they surprise me (and I hope they do) then maybe a playoff run will be in store. But at this point I don't see it happening.

Edgy DC Mar 29 2010 07:32 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Keep telling yourself that pitching is ephemeral, that the likelihood of them all doing well this year is not that different than the likelihood of them all doing poorly last year, and that other pitchers are in the mix and coming along. One of the big traps --- particularly with pitching --- is the notion that all the pieces have to be in place on April first. Into every season, a little Ed Lynch must fall.

G-Fafif Mar 29 2010 07:41 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

In the neighborhood of 78-84, 4th place ... unless they do a lot better, in which case I can't wait to recall what a wrongly pessimistic mope I was on a rainy Monday morning in late March. Sharing season preview thoughts, along with a few other fine bloggers, on the NY Times Bats blog here.

metirish Mar 29 2010 07:48 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

I look at the Phillies five and there are some question marks too. 1. R. Halladay - 2009 - (Toronto) - 17 - 10 - 2.79 ERA - IP - 239 2. C. Hamels - 2009 - 10-11 - 4.32 ERA - IP - 193.2 3. J. Blanton - 2009 - 12 - 8 - 4.05 ERA - IP - 195.1 4. J. Happ - 2009 - 12 - 4 - 2.93 ERA - IP - 166 5. J. Moyer - 2009 - 12 - 10 - 4.9 ERA - IP - 162 6. K. Kendrick - 2009 - 3 - - 3.42 ERA - IP - 26.1 I list the innings pitched because this seems to have become a biggish deal in the media regarding the Mets , some are saying that this team needs to get 800+ innings for the starting rotation, actually I think that's from the top four. Going from 1 through 4 on the Phillies depth chart they combined last season for 793 innings , obviously Halladay was in the AL where he wouldn't get pulled as much as he might now, add Moyer to that and they combined for 955 innings. With Pelfrey and Perez I see two guys that can throw a hundred pitches in 5 plus innings and then they are done. I just don't see this bunch pitching 800 innings this season.

Frayed Knot Mar 29 2010 07:50 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

I don't predict the Mets, I expect the Mets.

Gwreck Mar 29 2010 07:58 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

G-Fafif wrote: Sharing season preview thoughts, along with a few other fine bloggers, on the NY Times Bats blog here. Good stuff there. I think it is unfair, however, to claim that you want Jason Bay's past seven seasons back and that he "shouldn't have been traded for Steve Reed."

Edgy DC Mar 29 2010 08:03 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Yes, it would have been far better if we traded him for Jason Middlebrook.

G-Fafif Mar 29 2010 08:09 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Gwreck wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Sharing season preview thoughts, along with a few other fine bloggers, on the NY Times Bats blog here. Good stuff there. I think it is unfair, however, to claim that you want Jason Bay's past seven seasons back and that he "shouldn't have been traded for Steve Reed." I'll also take Nolan Ryan, 1972-1993.

Gwreck Mar 29 2010 08:15 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

That's all fine and good but the truth is that the Bay trade was not something that could be obviously identified at the time as a bad trade.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 29 2010 08:25 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

metirish wrote: I list the innings pitched because this seems to have become a biggish deal in the media regarding the Mets , some are saying that this team needs to get 800+ innings for the starting rotation, actually I think that's from the top four. Getting 800 innings from four guys is pretty much a relic from the past. The Mets have only had that happen twice in the last 20 seasons. (In 2000, Hampton, Leiter, Rusch, and Reed combined for 800.1. Prior to that, it hadn't happened since 1990, with Viola, Gooden, Cone, and Fernandez totaling 873.1. It would be great if they could do it this year, but I don't think it's a prerequisite for winning.

Chad Ochoseis Mar 29 2010 08:37 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Fafif wrote: The Mets’ four returning starters have rarely given us seven full innings; last year none of them averaged six innings per start. Not even Johan averaged six innings per start last year? Wow. The pre-pinched nerve version of Maine always struck me as durable, too. In any event, as Grimm notes, durability isn't a quality you see much from anyone's pitching staff anymore. Back to predictions - more than most years, this is one that could wind up anywhere on the map. Pelfrey, Perez, and Maine have all shown at times that they have the potential to be quality pitchers. If all three of them pitch well and Wright reverts to something close to form and Reyes' hamstring stays untweaked and Francoeur takes the occasional pitch and Beltran comes back at 100% and Murphy can hit somewhere above the Mientkiewicz line, the Mets can win 95 games. That's a lot of ands. I'm not betting on all that happening, as much as I'd like to see it. 79-83 and 4th place is my guess.

Edgy DC Mar 29 2010 09:01 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Part of it is that managers --- and Manuel is a good example but he's hardly alone --- are so obsessed with getting a foolproof bullpen formula down that they are reluctant to resist going to the bullpen even when they don't need to. Just once, I'd like it to be: Devil on one shoulder: "Our guy made it through six and we have a three-run lead. We can go to our pen and shut them down." Angel on the other shoulder: "Fuck our pen. This guy is shutting them down and he's only thrown 81 pitches." Devil: "But we've been working so hard on getting the formula down." Angel: "This ISN'T ABOUT US!"

HahnSolo Mar 29 2010 09:25 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

3rd place 78-84 No playoffs

G-Fafif Mar 29 2010 02:27 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Gwreck wrote: That's all fine and good but the truth is that the Bay trade was not something that could be obviously identified at the time as a bad trade. Apparently you never read my July 31, 2002 piece on Unprovable Hindsight.com. Mark my words. This trade of Jason Bay will look very bad in a couple of years. Sure he's a non-prospect who's gotten no discernible attention this season, but I suddenly have a very strong feeling about his future. He'll probably win the Rookie of the Year award by 2004, become a multi-time All-Star and become a big deal for some contending club. If the Mets ever want him again, they'll have to pony up major bucks. And by then, Shea will be gone and there's no telling how the dimensions of their new park -- which will probably be named for a bank that will be in some trouble when a financial meltdown hits our country around 2008 -- will affect his game. Oh well, at least we know for sure that Robbie Alomar is going to snap out of his doldrums soon. The Wild Card is ours! So unprovable hindsight isn't everything.

metsmarathon Mar 29 2010 03:34 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

i predict that after the first 90 wins, they call the season and hand us the trophy. or, somewhat more realistically, 90 wins take an nl east dogfight that would bring a tear to michael vick's eye. they breeze into the world series and face some team other than the yankees, who finally realized just how old their damned core is, and win in 6 games.

bmfc1 Mar 31 2010 07:28 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2010 07:46 AM

SI has the Mets at 79-83 and 4th place. Washington Post says 4th. MLB.com says last place. http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/articl ... p&c_id=mlb

TransMonk Mar 31 2010 07:33 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

bmfc1 wrote: SI has the Mets at 79-83 and 4th place. Funny since they had virtually the same team winning the World Series last year.

bmfc1 Mar 31 2010 07:37 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Maybe this year's SI pick will be just as wrong as last year's.

Ceetar Mar 31 2010 07:40 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Part of it is that managers --- and Manuel is a good example but he's hardly alone --- are so obsessed with getting a foolproof bullpen formula down that they are reluctant to resist going to the bullpen even when they don't need to. Just once, I'd like it to be: Devil on one shoulder: "Our guy made it through six and we have a three-run lead. We can go to our pen and shut them down." Angel on the other shoulder: "Fuck our pen. This guy is shutting them down and he's only thrown 81 pitches." Devil: "But we've been working so hard on getting the formula down." Angel: "This ISN'T ABOUT US!" This is one of my bigger issues with Manuel. He goes through the bullpen like he's trying to find the guy that doesn't have it today. I look at bullpens mathematically. a good bullpen has 5/7 guys that will be successful on any given day. So the more you call in, the more chance you are of finding the 2/7. If you've only got a 4/7 bullpen, you better be better at managing them.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 31 2010 07:40 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

There's been so much talk about that SI prediction from last year (and I mean from the Mets and their players) that they should put a banner up at Citi Field: 2009 SPORTS ILLUSTRATED PREDICTED WORLD SERIES CHAMPION

Edgy DC Mar 31 2010 07:43 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Ceetar wrote: This is one of my bigger issues with Manuel. He goes through the bullpen like he's trying to find the guy that doesn't have it today. I look at bullpens mathematically. a good bullpen has 5/7 guys that will be successful on any given day. So the more you call in, the more chance you are of finding the 2/7. If you've only got a 4/7 bullpen, you better be better at managing them. Absolutely. The game shouldn't be playing well enough so you can confidently turn the game over to your pen. It should be playing well enough so you can stay out of your pen as long as possible and, when you must dip in to the pen, dipping in as shallowly as possible.

GYC Mar 31 2010 08:03 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

bmfc1 wrote: Just the Mets: 1. Where they will finish in the NL East 2. What the final record will be 3. If you predict a wild card spot, say so 4. If you predict a playoff appearance, how far will they go? 1. 4th 2. 79-83 3. lol

bmfc1 Mar 31 2010 01:18 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/b ... index.html Why don't they just give the Phillies a bye until October?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 31 2010 01:23 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

I know! Fork these losers for picking the two-time defending champs-- who've upgraded at the front of the rotation and 3B-- to win again!

HahnSolo Mar 31 2010 01:55 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

For the second day in a row, I have a Heyman observation: today he has picked two teams to win the world series. SI is looking to hand Heyward the ROY now while they're at it.

Ashie62 Mar 31 2010 03:59 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

HahnSolo wrote: For the second day in a row, I have a Heyman observation: today he has picked two teams to win the world series. SI is looking to hand Heyward the ROY now while they're at it. Heyward is certainly the designer pick for ROY in many places. The Rockies are catching some love amongst the prognostigators. If you are a contrarian be very happy the Mets are catching little or no love.

TransMonk Mar 31 2010 04:05 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Expert picks are no better than yours or mine. If their picks were anywhere close to right, it would make the baseball season pretty meaningless since we would find out in March who was gonna win in October.

bmfc1 Apr 05 2010 09:50 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

The Forum's picks ranged from 4th place to a World Series Championship. The high was Fman99 with 124 wins (maybe he was high) and the low was Mex17 with 72. Here's to a great '10!

TransMonk Apr 05 2010 09:55 AM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Here, here. I wish them the best...and hope we have meaningful games in October. I think there would need to be total devastation for this season to be any worse than last season. For that reason alone I am excited about 2010, even if they finish 4th.

bmfc1 Oct 02 2010 02:48 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010 Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 03 2010 03:44 PM

With one game to go and the Mets at 79 wins, it's between Chad Ochoseis (79 wins), GYC (79-wins) and Nymr83 (80 wins) for the win: Finish Record Playoffs Mex17 4th 72-90 no Gfafif 4th 78-84 no HahnSolo 3d 78-84 no Chad Ochoseis 4th 79-83 no GYC 4th 79-83 no Nymr83 3d 80-82 no bmfc1 3d 81-81 no Benjamin Grimm 3d 83-79 no LWFS 3d 84-78 no attgig 2d (tied) 85-75 yes TransMonk 2d 88-74 yes metirish 2d 88-74 yes Gwreck 1st 91-69 yes JCL 1st 91-71 yes Ceetar 1st 92-70 yes seawolf17 1st 92-72 yes Ashie62 1st 93-69 yes Edgy DC 1st 107-55 yes Fman99 1st 124-38 yes

Benjamin Grimm Oct 02 2010 02:53 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Nice to be reminded, I guess, that I didn't go into this season with a lot of optimism.

Willets Point Oct 02 2010 07:17 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Nice to be reminded, I guess, that I didn't go into this season with a lot of optimism. Optimism and Grimm are two words that don't go together.

Edgy DC Oct 02 2010 07:21 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

If you think about it, hewing close to 81-81 is simply the smart bet. Even smarter is probably picking the mean between 81 and the number of wins the team had the previous season.

Fman99 Oct 02 2010 07:24 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

I am proud to be the wrongest one of this list.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 02 2010 08:28 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Willets Point wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Nice to be reminded, I guess, that I didn't go into this season with a lot of optimism. Optimism and Grimm are two words that don't go together. I'm optimistic when there's reason to be.

metirish Oct 02 2010 09:05 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

metirish wrote: 2nd place 88-74 playoffs via WC World Series Champs(sorry , couldn't help myself) This is what I picked and not the 84-74 bmfc has me down for......I'd not want those that don't think I'm a moran to start thinking that way, it's not many but still.

bmfc1 Oct 03 2010 03:45 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

metirish: fixed. "Congrats" to Chad Ochoseis and GYC.

G-Fafif Oct 03 2010 05:34 PM Re: Predict the Mets, 2010

Never thought I'd say this, but oh, if the Mets had lost just one more game...