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2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

metsmarathon
Mar 30 2010 08:22 AM

um... we're still doing it this year, right?

Benjamin Grimm
Mar 30 2010 08:56 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I'm willing to do it if people are interested.

I may even do it if they're not.

metsmarathon
Mar 30 2010 09:03 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

woohoo! now to update my spreadsheet!

themetfairy
Mar 30 2010 09:20 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I'll vote.

Thanks BG :)

MFS62
Mar 30 2010 09:27 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I haven't been voting in recent years because of my work schedule. I don't get to see most of the games and I can't get a full picture just from the box scores (e.g.- game saving defensive plays).
But I still follow the threads after each game.
Thank you for the effort.

Later

metsmarathon
Mar 30 2010 10:01 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

mlb.com (and therefore mets.com) has video highlights from each game. if there's a defensive highlight, it'll show up there. in fact, i use this as an additional source of data for my own voting. you make the defensive highlight, you get 2 extra 'marathon points'! conversely, if your blunder was so egregious that you make the highlight reel (which is pretty rare, really), you lose 2 marathon points!

Fman99
Mar 30 2010 10:12 AM
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It is my intention to vote after every game.

seawolf17
Mar 30 2010 10:24 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Benjamin Grimm 5
m.e.t.b.o.t. 1.83
metsmarathon 1
themetfairy 1
fman99 1
seawolf17 0.17

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 01 2010 07:24 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for the 2010 Schaefer Mets Player of the Year Award will begin on Monday, the Crane Pool Forum has announced. This will be the sixth season that Crane Pool Forum members will be participating in Schaefer voting. The Schaefer Mets Player of the Year Award was established in the 1970's, and Schaefer points were awarded by Mets broadcasters Lindsey Nelson, Ralph Kiner, and Bob Murphy. The award was re-established by the Crane Pool Forum in 2005. Third baseman David Wright has won the revived prize in for of the last five years, with pitcher Johan Santana winning in 2008. A voting thread is opened in the forum at the conclusion of each regular season Mets game, according to CPF spokesmodel Benjamin Grimm. Voting generally stays open for two business days, after which the votes are tallied and the results are posted in the voting thread. In addition, says Grimm, each month a Schaefer Mets Player, Pitcher, and Relief Pitcher of the Month will be named. Voters are asked to adhere to a specific format, which is outlined at http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/6200/f9_t6278.shtml

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 06 2010 08:56 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Just a reminder of how this will work. There are two full business days allotted for the voting, so Monday's game will be open for voting all through Tuesday and Wednesday, and will close at my first opportunity on Thursday, probably in the morning.

metirish
Apr 06 2010 09:06 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

What about public holidays , will they be counted or not?

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 06 2010 09:09 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

No. I figure that most people vote at work (!) so I don't count days like Memorial Day or July 4 in the two-business-day rule.

When there are no holidays, weekend (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) games close on Wednesday. Monday games close on Thursday, Tuesday games on Friday, Wednesday games on Monday, and Thursday games on Tuesday.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 07 2010 08:46 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I love the participation we get in early April!

Final reminder that voting for April 5's Opening Day win over the Marlins will close some time tomorrow (Thursday) morning.

Edgy DC
Apr 07 2010 09:27 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

i'm going to make my semi-regular whine about starting pitchers getting ranked on an absolute scale and batters on a scale relative to the number of available points after the pitchers get theirs (or maybe just the starting pitcher).

And how about that scale? I mean, six is as good as it gets, and Santana is pulling down fives. A good performance and all, and I'll take it any time, but maybe leave more room for excellence, or for the seven-run-producing batters.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Apr 07 2010 09:31 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Or the two-run saving defenders.

Point taken (though, to be fair, Santana's gotten one 5, and one 4, and the rest between 2 and 4). I adjusted my Santana total a bit yesterday, and may do so again today... largely because a lot of what he was doing was very fielding-dependent (not so many Ks or GBs); I'm thinking that might factor a lot into my pitcher voting this year, even if I'm not sure EXACTLY how just yet.

A Boy Named Seo
Apr 07 2010 09:41 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I got my Opening Day vote in. I hope to keep up, but I know me, and know that I suck, and probably won't keep up. But I'm gonna try.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 07 2010 09:43 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Even if you miss a few games, there's no reason why you can't jump back in at any time.

metsmarathon
Apr 07 2010 04:08 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Or the two-run saving defenders.

Point taken (though, to be fair, Santana's gotten one 5, and one 4, and the rest between 2 and 4). I adjusted my Santana total a bit yesterday, and may do so again today... largely because a lot of what he was doing was very fielding-dependent (not so many Ks or GBs); I'm thinking that might factor a lot into my pitcher voting this year, even if I'm not sure EXACTLY how just yet.

see, that's why you need a giant, unweildy spreadsheet to help you figure out your voting.

Edgy DC
Apr 08 2010 10:58 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

In game two, wasn't Bay the guy? Two walks, a double, and two runs scored. He had a very similar line to Wright's, only better. Yet folks aren't really putting him ahead of the pack.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 08 2010 11:17 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Nine voters so far for that game, and three have voted a tie among two or more players for most points. For the other six, two have awarded the most points to Bay, two to Cora, and two to Castillo.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 09 2010 08:01 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Wednesday night's 10-inning loss to the Marlins will close some time over the weekend. If you still have a vote to cast, please try to get it in today.

m.e.t.b.o.t.
Apr 09 2010 07:54 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

m.e.t.b.o.t. has unexpectedly voted metropolitan centerfielder gary matthews, jr., to be the schaefer player of the game for the second game of the 2010 baseball season. this is a direct result of a peculiarity which had previously not come to m.e.t.b.o.t.'s attention. if a baseball umpire calls a balk against a pitcher, then the lead base runner is assigned the change in win probability. the assumption, therefore, is that the lead base runner has done something to disrupt the pitcher, or that the pitcher was intending to deceive the lead base runner.

this particular play resulted in the win probability for the new york metropolitans baseball club increasing from 35.4% to 61.3% and was the greatest positive play for any metropolitan player.

Edgy DC
Apr 09 2010 08:14 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Yeah, I was 'fused, seeing the b.o.t voting for a guy to win who I didn't even include in the field.

m.e.t.b.o.t.
Apr 09 2010 08:31 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

m.e.t.b.o.t. is a slave to m.e.t.b.o.t.'s overly complicated springwound mechanical programming.

in the third game of the metropolitan season, m.e.t.b.o.t. has had an opportunity to implement m.e.t.b.o.t.'s newest programming upgrade. leading off the third inning, florida marlins outfielder chris coghlan hit a line drive over the head metropolitan second baseman luis castillo, who leapt into the air and successfully fielded the batted ball. this particular play has been selected as a highlight by mlb.com, and is therefore designated a 'web gem' by m.e.t.b.o.t.'s programming. the implication of this designation is that the outcome of the play is a result of the defensive player's effort, and not the pitcher. therefore, the win percentage added by this play has been deducted from the pitcher and credited to luis castillo. unfortunately, in this instance, there was no net outcome on the schaefer voting results since both players had otherwise contributed rather negatively to the outcome of the game.

m.e.t.b.o.t. already had been programmed to attribute the outcomes of defensive errors to the player credited with the error, and not the pitcher. the web gem programming upgrade is intended to mirror and balance this.

m.e.t.b.o.t. intends to note the instances where the web gem programming affects the outcome of m.e.t.b.o.t.'s schaefer voting in the future, to mitigate against the potential confusion of human schaefer voters and those non-voting members of the crane pool forum who may otherwise be interested in the integrity and results of the voting.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 12 2010 08:28 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Thursday night's loss to Florida will close on Tuesday morning, perhaps very early. If you have a vote that hasn't been cast yet, please try to get it in today.

Schaefer POTG 4/8/10 - Marlins 3, Mets 1

And I'll post the official announcement tomorrow, but the entire weekend series against Washington will close on Wednesday.

Edgy DC
Apr 12 2010 11:33 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I was trying to find a new way to express how we're over-valuing less-than-excellent pitching performances after viewing the thread representing the PotG poll for the Mets last victory. This 8-2 victory featured six innings of two-run ball by starting pitcher Mike Pelfrey and two players going deep twice, including the starting catcher.

I checked the UMDB to search for the relative scarcity of these performances. Mets have gone six innings or more yielding two runs or fewer: 6115 occurrences through Mets history.

Mets hitting two homers or more: 629 occurrences through Mets history.

Yet these performances are getting equal or similar attention. Is this not unfair?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Apr 12 2010 11:36 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Edgy DC wrote:
I was trying to find a new way to express how we're over-valuing less-than-excellent pitching performances after viewing the thread representing the PotG poll for the Mets last victory. This 8-2 victory featured six innings of two-run ball by starting pitcher Mike Pelfrey and two players going deep twice, including the starting catcher.

I checked the UMDB to search for the relative scarcity of these performances. Mets have gone six innings or more yielding two runs or fewer: 6115 occurrences through Mets history.

Mets hitting two homers or more: 629 occurrences through Mets history.

Yet these performances are getting equal or similar attention. Is this not unfair?

Not that I disagree with the larger point, but if rarity equaled value, then Eric Bruntlett should have been the Phils' MVP last year.

metsmarathon
Apr 12 2010 12:09 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

well, you could always look at run expectancy...

for instance, rod barajas contributed 1.68 RE24 and jeff francoeur contributed 2.14 RE24, compared to pelfrey's 0.89 RE24.

RE24 (runs above average by the 24 base/out states): RE24 is the difference in run expectancy (RE) between the start of the play and the end of the play. That difference is then credited/debited to the batter and the pitcher. Over the course of the season, each players� RE24 for individual plays is added up to get his season total RE24.

so francoeur basically contributed 2.5 times what pelfrey did, and barajas doubled up pelfrey.

it would appear that the going rate for a pitcher is that he should be expected to allow 0.48 runs per inning pitched. allowing 2 runs in 6 innings puts him at 0.89 runs below the expected 6 * 0.48 = 2.88 (we'll assume it rounds up to 2.89).

y'know, it would be interested if somebody would craft up a 'bot specifically to provide schafer voting based on run expectancy...

such voting would probably look like this:

francoeur 2.66
barajas 2.08
wright 0.84
pelfrey 0.82
tatis 0.6
takahashi 0.6
nieve 0.6
mejia 0.6
cora 0.47
tejada 0.47
pagan 0.27

or, possibly like this:

francoeur 3.5
barajas 2.75
wright 1.11
pelfrey 1.08
tatis 0.78
takahashi 0.78

note: in my discussion above, i forgot about pelfrey's negative contributions with the bat. voters tend to do that, i think. he cost the team 0.23 runs, giving him a net of only 0.66 RE24 for the game, which is clearly a lesser contribution than either francoeur or barajas made.

Edgy DC
Apr 12 2010 12:12 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Zack Lee.

m.e.t.b.o.t.
Apr 12 2010 01:29 PM
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m.e.t.b.o.t. has been presented with so many opportunities to implement m.e.t.b.o.t.'s new programming.

in the 9 april game, web gems were attributed to metropolitan second baseman alex cora and metropolitan third baseman david wright. these defensive plays saved 0.030 and 0.014 wpa, respectively. while neither defensive player benefitted from their web gem in terms of mechanical schaefer voting, metropolitan starting pitcher mike pelfrey was debited a total of 0.044 wpa. this effectively reduced his schaefer vote from 1.26 to 0.67, while increasing the voting for other metropolitan players to varying degrees relative to their contributions to win percentages.

in the 10 april game, a web gem was attributed to metropolitan third baseman david wright. 0.017 wpa was credited to metropolitan third baseman david wright, and was debited from metropolitan starting pitcher oliver perez. another web gem was attributed to both metropolitan pitcher pedro feliciano and metropolitan catcher henry blanco. a total of 0.137 wpa was recorded for this play, and was shared by the participants. 0.0685 wpa was credited to metropolitan catcher henry blanco and debited from metropolitan pitcher pedro felicaino. the 0.0685 wpa attributable to pedro feliciano for his defensive efforts was also debited from him, resulting in zero net change. in the same game, metropolitan defensive players committed two errors. since the attribution of wpa based on teh comission of errors is assumed to be appropriate, it will necessarily be discussed. the effect of the web gems on schaefer voting was to increase the voting total for metropolitan third baseman from 1.90 to 2.20, and to decrease the voting total for metropolitan pitcher pedro feliciano from 1.35 to 0.08

in the 11 april game, a web gem was attributed to metropolitan third baseman david wright. 0.039 wpa was credited to metropolitan third baseman david wright, and was debited from metropolitan starting pitcher johan santana. another web gem was attributed to metropolitan right fielder jeff francoeur, who was credited 0.038 wpa. 0.038 wpa was debited from metropolitan starting pitcher johan santana. the effect of the web gems on schaefer voting was to increase the voting total for metropolitan third baseman david wright from 0.00 to 0.28 and to increase the voting total for metropolitan right fielder jeff francoeur from 1.24 to 2.76

metsmarathon
Apr 12 2010 02:18 PM
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edgy, without getting too deep into your methodology, how are you giving so much love to perez? 4 earned, 4 walks, and 2 bequeathed runners in a 5.2 inning losing effort can't be almost double the next best guy, can it?

Edgy DC
Apr 12 2010 02:41 PM
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I know, right? It came out that way and I'm checking my data. But a few upside contributing factors are: (1) he struck out six, (2) only eight baserunners is pretty good, and (3) going 1-2 with a two-out RBI, he was perhaps the team's most effective hitter, net.

metsmarathon
Apr 12 2010 03:13 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

makes me feel better about giving igarashi a 3.0, at least...

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 13 2010 12:27 PM
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Oops, I almost forgot to post this...

Tomorrow will be the first Wacky Wednesday of the 2010 season. Voting will close for three games, those played against the Nationals this past weekend:

[list]Schaefer POTG 04/09/10 Mets 8, Washington 2
Schaefer POTG 04/10/2010 Washington 4, Mets 3
Schaefer POTG 4/11/10 - Nationals 5, Mets 2 [/list:u]

If you haven't voted yet and intend to, please try to do so sometime today.

Edgy DC
Apr 13 2010 12:37 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

By the way, the boxscore linked to Sunday's PotG thread is all bolluxed up. It only indicates the Mets pitching seven innings.

If you haven't voted yet, you may want to choose another. If you have voted, you may want to double check.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 13 2010 12:41 PM
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I noticed that too. It seems that Yahoo doesn't know who Valdes is. (They even have him listed as Valdez.) His pitching line score is all zeroes.

themetfairy
Apr 13 2010 01:09 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Edgy DC wrote:
By the way, the boxscore linked to Sunday's PotG thread is all bolluxed up. It only indicates the Mets pitching seven innings.

If you haven't voted yet, you may want to choose another. If you have voted, you may want to double check.

Thanks for noticing - I just replaced the Yahoo box score with the one from MLB.com.

metsmarathon
Apr 14 2010 07:35 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

2 for 2 with a homer and 2 walks is getting barely more beer than 2 innings of blowout relief with 2 walks and 3 strikeouts?

Edgy DC
Apr 14 2010 07:49 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Yeah, David Wright was everything the Mets need him to be yesterday, and few folks are giving him so much as a 2.0. Some are giving him far less.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 15 2010 06:49 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's loss to the Rockies in Denver will close early on Friday. If there are any uncast votes, please try to get them in today.

Schaefer POTG 4/13/2010 - Rockies 11 Mets 3

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 16 2010 07:23 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Wednesday night's 10-inning loss to the Rockies in Denver will close over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning.

Schaefer POTG 4/14/10 - Colorado 6, Mets 5 (10 Innings)

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 19 2010 09:06 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Thursday afternoon's win over the Rockies in Colorado will close early Tuesday morning.

Schaefer POTG 4/15/10 - Mets 5, Rockies 0

Edgy DC
Apr 19 2010 06:26 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

When giving out points for the 20 inning marathon, keep in mind that your hitters scored two runs (all off fake pitchers) in 20 innings --- an average of 0.9 per game. The pitchers, on the other hand, managed a 0.45 ERA. Distribute the points accordingly.

Frayed Knot
Apr 19 2010 07:43 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I think I went 7/3 in my points for pitchers/non-pitchers and, even then, some of my non-pitcher points were for defensive purposes: Cora, Francoeur, Blanco

Edgy DC
Apr 19 2010 07:54 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Yeah, but, Francoeur also went like oh-for-50. His defensive contributions had to have been wiped out by all the outs he made, no?

Gwreck
Apr 19 2010 09:41 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I agree. Aside from Cora (who didn't have a lot of PAs), I don't think any non-pitchers were points-worthy.

G-Fafif
Apr 19 2010 09:51 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Edgy DC wrote:
When giving out points for the 20 inning marathon, keep in mind that your hitters scored two runs (all off fake pitchers) in 20 innings --- an average of 0.9 per game. The pitchers, on the other hand, managed a 0.45 ERA. Distribute the points accordingly.

Or use your own judgment.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 20 2010 04:39 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Yes, use your own judgment. And please don't let the judgment of others, expressed in this thread, keep you from participating. It's too early in the season to start eating away at the voter pool.

themetfairy
Apr 20 2010 06:46 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Yes, use your own judgment. And please don't let the judgment of others, expressed in this thread, keep you from participating. It's too early in the season to start eating away at the voter pool.

Thank you BG.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 20 2010 07:16 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for all three games of the past weekend's series in St. Louis, including the historic 20-inning zeropalooza, will close on Wednesday morning. If you have any votes still to cast, please try to do so today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 4/16/10 - Cardinals 4, Mets 3

Schaefer PTOG 4/17/10 - Mets 2, Cardinals 1 (20 Innings)

Schaefer POTG 4/18/10 - Cardinals 5, Mets 3[/list:u]

The Sunday game (April 18) is still a little bit low on votes. So far we've heard from themetfairy, G-Fafif, Chad Ochoseis, Benjamin Grimm, John Cougar Lunchbucket, metirish, LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr, and Frayed Knot.

Edgy DC
Apr 20 2010 07:26 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I apologize for not saying please, but why is there something particuarly wrong with discussing how points are distribututed?

That eats away at the voter pool? Really?

metirish
Apr 20 2010 07:28 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Edgy DC wrote:
I apologize for not saying please, but why is there something particuarly wrong with discussing how points are distribututed?

I thought that was the point of the thread? , I think you Edgy can come across a bit brusk at times. Your intimidating, a head hunter...if you were a pitcher you'd be more Clemens than Estes.

Edgy DC
Apr 20 2010 07:34 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Well, again, I apologize for not saying please in my previous contention. I don't want heads. I want someone to talk to.

I'm like the big dumb ape squeezing the poor little lovable rabbits to death.

metsmarathon
Apr 20 2010 07:53 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

where's george when you need him?

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 20 2010 08:05 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Edgy DC wrote:
Well, again, I apologize for not saying please in my previous contention. I don't want heads. I want someone to talk to.

I'm like the big dumb ape squeezing the poor little lovable rabbits to death.

I understand that you're only looking for conversation, but I've gotten the distinct impression in past seasons that your scrutiny seems to intimidate some people from voting. "Well, if I'm going to get ripped for giving Santana a 4 instead of a 2.83, why should I bother voting?"

G-Fafif
Apr 20 2010 08:11 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Have faith in your Crane Pool comrades to cast informed ballots even if they reach somewhat varied conclusions. They watch/know the Mets, too.

Edgy DC
Apr 20 2010 08:20 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I certainly have faith. I just think it's a worthy point of discussion. And I certainly don't mean to rip, but improve all of our votes through enlightened exchanges.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 20 2010 08:25 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

"Distribute the points accordingly" sounds a bit authoritarian. It would be better for you tell us why you voted the way you did without telling everyone else how to vote.

Edgy DC
Apr 20 2010 08:36 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Yes. And I've apologized twice, and I do so again sincerely. I certainly meant any authoritarian tone to be flip and ironic.

But I don't think I've been phrasing discussion such way for multiple seasons or anything. Not generally, and certainly not seriously.

I guess I've tried many tones to generate discussion on voting.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 20 2010 08:39 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I know. And I'm in the awkward position of speaking for others based on a "feeling" that I've picked up. I may be completely off base here, and if so, then I apologize for that. I personally don't have any problem with your comments; I just get a bit discouraged when participation goes down. (And it's not because of my "hard work." Schaefer tallying literally only takes me a few minutes per day.)

themetfairy
Apr 20 2010 08:43 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Edgy DC wrote:
I was trying to find a new way to express how we're over-valuing less-than-excellent pitching performances....

Statements like this imply that you're criticizing others for votes that differ from what you would have us award. That your method is the right one and the rest of us should vote in line with your thinking.

Maybe that's not how you intend it. But that's how it comes off.

Edgy DC
Apr 20 2010 08:53 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Criticizing, no. Disagreeing and raising it for discussion, yes. We do that in most every thread.

metirish
Apr 20 2010 09:03 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I know that last season I gave up on the voting partly because there was heavy handed criticism in this thread, well not this one but last years version. It's not that I can't take the criticism, and I don't exactly mean that I was getting hammered in here, I wasn't , but the overall tone in here made the voting a chore and not fun.

I can certainly appreciate that some people like the back and forth discussion that goes with the thread but frankly it stops being fun very quickly.

Edgy DC
Apr 20 2010 09:05 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Let me just ask. Is it Ok to discuss voting in the PotG threads below the ballot like this?

Milledge 3.42
Phillips 2.75
Gooden 1.22
Capra 1.16
Chilcott 0.98

I had to give Capra extra points for picking off Gehrig in the seventh. Don't forget that play!

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 20 2010 09:10 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Yes! Just please don't include any numbers in those comments.

GOOD:
I had to give Capra extra points for picking off Gehrig in the seventh. Don't forget that play!

BAD:
I had to give Capra an extra 0.75 for picking off Gehrig in the 7th. Don't forget that play!

All I really request in that thread is that there are no posts that aren't votes (until after the tallying is complete), that there are no numeric values except those that represent actual votes, and that we avoid nicknames and at least try to spell the names correctly.

So if somebody wanted to reply to Edgy's comment about the points to Buzz Capra, either do it along with your own vote (if it comes later) or here in this thread.

G-Fafif
Apr 20 2010 09:14 AM
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E, I'm sure you're being passionate and conscientious, per usual, but I don't know what "improve" means other than "vote as I do." And that's the turn-off.

No need for another apology; just trust your fellow fan and please soft-pedal the proctoring.

themetfairy
Apr 20 2010 09:14 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

metirish wrote:
....the overall tone in here made the voting a chore and not fun.

I can certainly appreciate that some people like the back and forth discussion that goes with the thread but frankly it stops being fun very quickly.

I feel the same way.

Edgy DC
Apr 20 2010 09:23 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

So opinions are do-able, but back-and-forth not. Got it.

I guess that works better than getting my opinions in after the fact here, which clearly is fatiguing to folks. Who wants to find a thread go back and edit votes, and therefore who wants to read a post implying that they ought. Fine, l'll leave this thread alone.

G-Fafif, clearly "Improve" meant "improve the process." I clearly followed that word with "all of our votes through enlightened exchanges." I don't know how much more I can say it. Of course I come off as obnoxious if I'm talking into a void and nobody is talking back, and I'll certainly stop. But if you're going to pick one word out of a sentence and isolate it from very explicit context demonstrating a request for open two-way discussion and collaboration, and claim you can't understand any other way to interpret it than one-way imperative, you're not being fair.

I'm giving all I can here.

G-Fafif
Apr 20 2010 09:34 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I get the impression from your periodic urgings to remember this and not forget that that you think many of your fellow voters are just dopes who are distracted by shiny RBIs and don't get nuance the way you do. So yes, your use of "improve" does imply you've figured it out and we're all idiots.

Frayed Knot
Apr 20 2010 09:45 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
It would be better for you tell us why you voted the way you did without telling everyone else how to vote.

But doing that would force him to explain his "system" at which point my head would explode.

Edgy DC
Apr 20 2010 09:53 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Come on. If I think you're a dope, I'll call you a dope. And if I think "improve" is a one-way street, I'll express it as such. And no, "improve" does not mean that when I said it in a way that clearly means the opposite.

This is turning into piling on when youre more interested in taking bits of what I write that can be turned into supporting your case than in respondiing to what I actually write. Completely out of context.

Read back and see what I write in this thread. Some of it may be more urging than others, some less. Most all of it is responded to by people who take it in the spirt it's meant. Just like most every other thread.

Hey, Frayed Knot, welcome to the pile.

seawolf17
Apr 20 2010 10:08 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I never vote in these polls because I'm afraid Edgy will yell at me.

Or it's just that I usually don't watch most of the games, and therefore forget to vote.

Edgy DC
Apr 20 2010 10:09 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

That's the spirit.

Let's talk baseball.

Gwreck
Apr 20 2010 08:19 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Setting aside "tones" or perception of meaning (which can sometimes be hard to discern when reading words on the internet rather than hearing them spoken with inflection), I think that offering up opinions and having some disagreement in the discussion thread is a good idea.

G-Fafif is correct that telling people to "vote as I do" is exactly what one is suggesting when offering an opinion but that's the way it's supposed to be. So long as no one is being uncivilized about it, lobbying others to change their mind when you think they are mistaken is a big part of meaningful discourse.

I suppose it's strange given that in many other threads, the forum is united behind a single cause (the Mets winning) but I think some healthy disagreement is a good thing. I personally enjoy a good debate and would readily welcome the opportunity to be challenged on my voting methods and made to consider whether I had made a mistake, missed a key play or had over-valued or under-valued a reliever's impact. I will, however -- (perhaps a tiny bit disappointingly) -- accept that others don't always welcome that debate.

I suppose one of the things that keeps me motivated to remember to do my Schaefer voting is my disagreement with others about how they allocate their points -- and by casting my ballot, making sure that my opinion counts just as much.

G-Fafif
Apr 21 2010 05:59 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

In the spirit of it's fun (goddammit) to discuss why we vote as we do, I threw a half-point Bay's way for two very good catches last night: a diving number against Soriano in the fifth when a no-hitter was still in progress and one he tracked down at the wall past the LF foul line off Fukudome, both recording an out and saving Igarashi one more pitch on the potentially bad hammy. I've also been inclined, in Pelfrey's last two excellent starts, to share some of his credit with Blanco as Pelf is quick to do the same.

Ignore or embrace these observations as you wish. I'm only in this for the neato BG cards at the end of each month.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 21 2010 08:09 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I also gave Blanco love for his terrific pickoff throw of Fontenot, a huge moment in a game that coulda gone either way, and for taking over the team lead in walks by a catcher with 1.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 21 2010 08:20 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Monday night's win over the Cubs will close on Thursday morning.

Schaefer PotG 4/19/10 - Mets 6, Cubs 1

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 22 2010 07:05 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Cubs will close on Friday morning.

Schaefer POTG 4/20/10 - Mets 4, Cubs 0

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 23 2010 08:12 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Wednesday night's loss to the Cubs will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning.

[list]
Schaefer POTG 4/21/10 - Cubs 9, Mets 3[/list:u]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Apr 23 2010 08:41 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

A balls-of-Jupiter save by Frankie tends to open up my wallet nicely.

(And, yeah, of course Blanco gets love in the Tuesday night game, for both a nice play and one which eliminated a RISP.)

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 24 2010 05:19 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Please remember when voting... Last names only, no nicknames.

Thanks!

Ashie62
Apr 24 2010 07:37 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Sorry Frenchie

Gwreck
Apr 25 2010 10:57 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

In the rain-shortened game, Luis Castillo was 2-3 with 2 steals. Jose Reyes was 1-3 with 1 steal. Don't shortchange Luis!

Edgy DC
Apr 26 2010 05:27 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Part of me thinks we should award more points for the 20-inning jobbie and fewer for this game.

Frayed Knot
Apr 26 2010 06:54 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Gwreck wrote:
In the rain-shortened game, Luis Castillo was 2-3 with 2 steals. Jose Reyes was 1-3 with 1 steal. Don't shortchange Luis!

But ... but .. but ... he's evil!!

Edgy DC
Apr 26 2010 07:10 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Thanks. I inadvertantly had Castillo credited with only one steal and changed my ballot to suit. I gave Reyes more baserunning credit than the one steal however, crediting him with the aggressiveness that helped lead to the game's only run.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 26 2010 08:34 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Thursday night's win over the Cubs at Citi Field will close early on Tuesday morning. If you still have a vote to cast, please try to do so today.

[list]
Schaefer POTG 4/22/10 - Mets 5, Cubs 2[/list:u]

Gwreck
Apr 26 2010 08:49 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Edgy DC wrote:
Part of me thinks we should award more points for the 20-inning jobbie and fewer for this game.

I agree that a 5-inning win does not merit 10 points being handed out, especially when we consider
1. While pitching well, Pelfrey still only completed 5 innings (and was taken out after 5, as Valdes was in the game when the rain started); and
2. The offense didn't light the world on fire (1 run in 5 innings).

I gave out 4.75 points and while I don't know if that's perfect, I certainly would think giving out more that 6 or 7 points to be excessive.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Apr 26 2010 09:34 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Edgy DC wrote:
Part of me thinks we should award more points for the 20-inning jobbie and fewer for this game.

To my mind, last night's Mets worked 4 times as efficiently, W-L column-wise. Don't penalize the wasteless*, commie!

*Not counting the 20 or so pitches by both starters that could have been called strikes, and were in fact called strikes when thrown in the same spot in previous innings. BOO, UMP WASTE!

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 27 2010 06:59 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Tomorrow will be yet another Wacky Wednesday, as three games* will be closed and tallied. They're all wins, which is fun and refreshing! If you have votes still to cast, please try to do so today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 4/23/10 - Mets 5, Braves 2

Schaefer POTG 4/24/10 - Mets 3, Braves

Schaefer POTG 4/25/10 - Mets 1, Braves 0 (5 innings)[/list:u]

*Okay, it's more like two and a half games.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 28 2010 02:01 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

The Mets only have one guy named "Davis" so there's no need to cast your vote for "Ike Davis."

Also, only one Rodriguez, so please just vote for Rodriguez, not FRodriguez.

Please remember, last names only! Thanks.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 29 2010 06:52 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Both games of Tuesday's doubleheader sweep over the Dodgers will close on Friday morning.

[list]Schaefer POTG 4/27/10 (Game 1) - Mets 4, Dodgers 0

Schaefer POTG - 4/27/10 (Game 2) - Mets 10, Dodgers 5[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 30 2010 07:28 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Wednesday afternoon's win over the Dodgers at Citi Field will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. If you still have a vote to cast, please try to do so today.

[list]
Schaefer POTG 4/28/10 - Mets 7, Dodgers 3[/list:u]

Stay tuned next week for the first Players of the Month announcement of the new decade! The Pitcher of the Month has already been clinched, but Friday's game may end up determining the winners of the other two awards: Player of the Month and Reliever of the Month.

Edgy DC
Apr 30 2010 07:55 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I assume Wright wins Player of the Decade, such as there is one.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 30 2010 08:23 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Well, yes. We only voted for the last five years of the decade, and Wright won the annual award in four of those five years.

If we had voted all ten years, Piazza might have had a shot.

Benjamin Grimm
May 04 2010 06:51 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

All three games from the weekend series in Philadelphia will close on Wednesday morning. Sunday's game is still lightly voted, but it will close nonetheless. Anyone who hasn't voted yet and wants to, please try to get your numbers submitted today.

[list]Schaefer PotG, 4/30, Mets 9, Phillies 1

Schaefer PotG, 5/1, Phillies 10, Mets 0

Schaefer POTG 5/2/10 - Phillies 11, Mets 5[/list:u]

metsmarathon
May 05 2010 08:56 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

man, my internet has been butt-slow lately. its been chewing into my ability to vote here. hopefully, i can get something together by lunchtime...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 06 2010 09:27 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

By most objective measures, he probably wasn't THE PotG, but Big Blanc Hank is getting little-to-nothing for nailing Votto at second in the 5th inning just before Phillips' HR (and chipping in a 1-for-3 day to boot).

Willets Point
May 06 2010 11:13 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I stopped participating in Schaefer Voting long ago because every time I voted I had a new asshole torn. And it wasn't Edgy doing the tearing. It was everyone.

In other words, "Physician heal thyself."

Benjamin Grimm
May 06 2010 11:21 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

The games played in Cincinnati against the Reds on Monday and Tuesday nights will both close on Friday, some time after noon.

[list]Schaefer POTG 5/3/10 - Reds 3, Mets 2 (11 Innings)

Schaefer POTG 5/4/10 - Mets 5, Reds 4[/list:u]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 06 2010 11:35 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Willets Point wrote:
I stopped participating in Schaefer Voting long ago because every time I voted I had a new asshole torn. And it wasn't Edgy doing the tearing. It was everyone.

In other words, "Physician heal thyself."

That's a TERRIBLE attitude about Schaefer points!

BOO! BOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Benjamin Grimm
May 06 2010 11:51 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Just wanna keep this on the current page so nobody misses it...

The games played in Cincinnati against the Reds on Monday and Tuesday nights will both close on Friday, some time after noon.

[list]Schaefer POTG 5/3/10 - Reds 3, Mets 2 (11 Innings)

Schaefer POTG 5/4/10 - Mets 5, Reds 4[/list:u]

Gwreck
May 06 2010 02:44 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Willets Point wrote:
I stopped participating in Schaefer Voting long ago because every time I voted I had a new asshole torn. And it wasn't Edgy doing the tearing. It was everyone.

Forgive me for saying so but this reads to me like a bunch of B.S.
Then again, I sense my views on this issue are in the minority.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 06 2010 02:51 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I agree with you too. People have been way too sensitive to perceived criticism of their votes, and stubborn about it too.

Benjamin Grimm
May 07 2010 06:37 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Wednesday afternoon's loss to the Reds in Cincinnati will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning.

[list]
Schaefer POTG 5/5/10 - Reds 5, Mets 4[/list:u]

themetfairy
May 07 2010 08:30 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Thanks Ashie - I didn't realize that Ike was on base for the second Barajas homer.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 10 2010 11:19 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Top 5 names that, when atop the PotG voting, tell you-- with about 85-90% accuracy-- how the game went without your having seen the score:

5) Manny Acosta
4) Luis Castillo
3) Pedro Feliciano
2) Alex Cora
1) Raul Valdes

Ashie62
May 10 2010 12:55 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I like to vote. How other people vote has no bearing on how I do

Benjamin Grimm
May 11 2010 07:24 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

All three games from the weekend series against the Giants in Flushing will close some time tomorrow. If you have votes still to cast, please try to get them in today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 5/7/10 - Mets 6, Giants 4

Schaefer POTG 5/8/10 - Mets 5, Giants 4 (11 Innings)

Schaefer POTG 5/9/10 - Giants 6, Mets 5[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
May 12 2010 09:47 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Monday night's loss to Washington at Citi Field will close on Thursday morning. If you have votes to cast, please try to do so today.

[list]
Schaefer Potg, 5/10, Nationals 3, Mets 2[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
May 13 2010 07:01 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's come-from-behind win over the Nationals will close on Friday morning. If you have votes to cast, please try to do so today.

[list]
Schaefer POTG 5/11/10 - Mets 8, Nationals 6[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
May 14 2010 09:54 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Only six voters so far (themetfairy, Ashie62, LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr, G-Fafif, Benjamin Grimm, and Edgy DC) for Wednesday afternoon's loss to the Nationals. I'll be closing the voting over the weekend, perhaps on Saturday morning, so please try to get your votes in today.

[list]
Schaefer POTG 5/12/10 - Nationals 6, Mets 4[/list:u]

Edgy DC
May 14 2010 10:13 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Vote, you maniacs! It's the most important election or our lifetimes!

Benjamin Grimm
May 14 2010 02:31 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

The other day I received a surprise review copy of 100 Things Mets Fans Should Know and Do -- or else they MUST DIE the other day. I noticed that this forum got a shout-out in section 81. (As did that other web site I'm involved in.) Silverman (has he ever visited us here, by the way?) made particular mention of the Schaefer awards. I thought it kinda neat that this rinky-dink little exercise, which only about ten or twelve people, at most, participate in, has been immortalized, so to speak, in a published volume.

Kong76
May 14 2010 07:22 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Is Or Else They Must Die a follow up to Before They Die which
came out a couple of years ago? The mention is in the first
edition too. I don't know if Matt visits but it should be easy
to find out lol.

I haven't read this thread in awhile, Willet we love ya but that was
kinda whiny up top. I hope to start voting sometime soon, I'm just
not all that focused on Mets yet this year as it might seem.

Benjamin Grimm
May 17 2010 08:45 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Thursday's series-opening loss to the Marlins in Miami will close on Tuesday morning. If you have votes to cast, please try to do so today.

[list]
Schaefer POTG 5/13/10 - Marlins 2, Mets 1[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
May 18 2010 06:59 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

The three remaining games from the Mets' lost weekend in Miami will close on Wednesday, possibly early in the morning.

[list]Schaefer POTG 05/14/2010 Florida 7, Mets 2

Schaefer PotG, 5/15/2010, Marlins 7, Mets 5

Schaefer POTG 5/16/10 - Marlins 10, Mets 8[/list:u]

If you haven't voted yet, please try to do so today.

Benjamin Grimm
May 19 2010 09:23 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Monday night's win (!) in Atlanta will close on Thursday morning.

[list]
Schaefer POTG 5/17/10 - Mets 3, Braves 2[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
May 20 2010 06:31 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Despite an extremely low number of voters, Tuesday night's game in Atlanta will close on Friday morning. If your name isn't themetfairy, Edgy DC, G-Fafif, Benjamin Grimm, or LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr, then we still haven't heard from you.

[list]Schaefer POTG 5/18/10 - Braves 3, Mets 2[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
May 24 2010 07:24 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

The final two games from last week's series against the Nationals in DC will close on Tuesday morning.

[list]Schaefer POTG 5/19/10 - Nationals 5, Mets 3

Schaefer POTG 5/20/10 - Mets 10, Nationals 7[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
May 25 2010 07:10 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for all three games from this past weekend's Subway Series against the Yankees at Citi Field will close on Wednesday morning. We're closing in on POTM time, and we have a couple of close races, so be sure to be heard!

[list]Schaefer POTG 5/21/2010 - MFYs 2 Mets 1

Schaefer POTG 5/22/10 - Mets 5, MFYs 3

Schaefer POTG 5/23/10 - Mets 6, MFYs 4[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
May 27 2010 06:30 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Phillies at [crossout]Shea[/crossout] Citi Field will close on Friday morning.

[list]Schaefer POTG 05/25/2010 Mets 8, Philadelphia 0[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
May 28 2010 07:09 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for the middle game of the mid-week blankfest against the Phillies will close over the weekend. Only seven voters so far (themetfairy, Benjamin Grimm, Edgy DC, Ashie62, G-Fafif, John Cougar Lunchbucket, and Fman99), which is kind of light for a Mets win. If you have votes still to cast, please try to get them in today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 5/26/10 - Mets 5, Phillies 0[/list:u]

This month's race is especially tight. After today's tallying, there is less than a full point separating the top five contenders for Player of the Month. (The first-place guy has 15.37 points, and the fifth-place guy has 14.42.) There's no suspense about the Reliever of the Month, but two contenders for Pitcher of the Month; Johan Santana has his fate in his own left arm as he takes the mound in Milwaukee tonight.

Look for POTM announcements at the end of next week.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 01 2010 06:41 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for the final game of last week's shutout sweep of the Phillies will close on Wednesday morning.

[list]Schaefer PotG, 5/27, Mets 3, Phillies 0[/list:u]

I'll post an announcement with links tomorrow, but you can expect the entire weekend series in Milwaukee to close for voting on Thursday. Vote while you still can!

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 02 2010 08:17 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Our traditional "Wacky Wednesday" is delayed this week because of the extended weekend. As a result, four (count 'em! four!) games will be closing on Thursday. All three games from the weekend series in Milwaukee will be tallied, as well as the series-opening loss Monday night in San Diego.

This will close out the merry month of May, so look for the big POTM announcement tomorrow. Pitcher of the Month and Reliever of the Month appear to be set, but the overall award for Player of the Month is very much in play, with about a half dozen players in contention. Please try to get any remaining May votes submitted today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 5/28/10 - Brewers 2, Mets 0

Schaefer POTG 5.29.10 - Brewers 8, Mets 6

Schaefer POTG 5/30/10 - Mets 10, Brewers 4

Schaefer PotG 5/31/2010, Padres 18, Mets 6[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 03 2010 09:20 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Padres in San Diego will close on Friday morning.

[list]Schaefer PotG, 6/1/2010, Mets 4, Padres 2[/list:u]

Zvon
Jun 03 2010 01:41 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

The reason I have stopped voting has nothing to do with what anyone thinks,
and I think this is one of the koolest things that you guys do at this sight.
Maybe the koolest.

I stopped because I would take it too serious in my own mind.
I'd print out the stats and go over em and try to cut em up just right.
It became an agonizing thing to me.
If you saw my comment about my head exploding last week, it was not a total joke.

But I have not been well lately.
I hope when I'm feeling better I get back into this.
Cause its one of the things that makes the Pool what it is.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 04 2010 06:11 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Wednesday night's 11-inning loss to the Padres in San Diego will close over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. If you have votes to cast, please try to do so today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 6/2/10 - Padres 5, Mets 1[/list:u]

Kong76
Jun 06 2010 06:17 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I just dipped my big toe in the water tonight, sorry for it's appearance,
the whole nail really should come off but i haven't gotten to a podiatrist.

I just re-read this whole thread ... ya gotta laugh. Laugh, dammit.

I only did one game, hope no one scoffs me and scares me away
before I do Sat and Sun on the off day tomorrow.

Kong76
Jun 06 2010 06:41 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

DPD: Kong, how can you diss Wright for that play in the
ninth and give all that beer to Dickey for chrisakes?

Kong: Ramirez didn't hustle, Wright's play was all that much.

DPD: You always overload on the starting pitcher.

Kong: Yeah, I'm a dickey that way.

Gwreck
Jun 06 2010 06:59 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Keep in mind that Dickey earned some beer with his bat as well as his pitching, so he's not exactly being overloaded for a very good-but-not-fantastic pitching performance.

Kong76
Jun 06 2010 07:08 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

See, sometimes we forget and vote subliminally. I was at that game.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 08 2010 07:42 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for all three games from this past weekend's Citi Field sweep of the Marlins will close on Wednesday morning. Pretty good voter turnout so far, but if there are any lingering non-voters, please try to get your numbers posted today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 6/4/10 - Mets 4, Marlins 3
Schaefer POTG 6/5/10 - Mets 6, Marlins 1
Schaefer POTG 6/6/10 - Mets 7, Marlins 6[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 08 2010 02:03 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Hey, Schaefer voters!

For the first time in 2010, the Mets have two players with the same surname. Please remember to vote for either PFeliciano or JFeliciano.

Thanks.

Kong76
Jun 08 2010 08:34 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Pelfrey 3.83
Reyes 2.04
Rodriguez 1.14
Davis 1.08
Pagan 0.81
Dessens 0.68
Wright 0.28
Feliciano 0.14

How does Edgy do this twenty minutes after the last pitch?

Edgy DC
Jun 08 2010 08:43 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I have a staff.

Kong76
Jun 08 2010 08:58 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Sounds Washingtonian enough ...

Frayed Knot
Jun 09 2010 06:52 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

His staff even gets him to post it in the correct thread too.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 10 2010 08:59 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's 11-inning walkoff win over the Padres will close on Friday morning. Ten voters so far, which means that at least two of the people who voted the Marlins sweep haven't yet voted on this game. I'm not going to try to figure out who's missing, but YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

[list]Schaefer POTG 6/8/10 - Mets 2, Padres 1[/list:u]

Frayed Knot
Jun 10 2010 03:08 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Hey, Schaefer voters!

For the first time in 2010, the Mets have two players with the same surname. Please remember to vote for either PFeliciano or JFeliciano.

Several people need to correct this in their voting in the 1st SD game (the 2-1 Met win). Schaefer POTG 6/8/10 - Mets 2, Padres 1
Yes it's obvious who you mean seeing as how only one Feliciano actually played in that game, but (for reminders and newbies) the tallying for this project is an automated process so you need to specify PFeliciano or JFeliciano.

By the same token, there's only one Rodriguez on the squad so don't send the counting program into a frenzy looking for the Met whose name starts with FRodri... it won't find him.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 14 2010 07:19 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for both ends of last Thursday's day-night double-header split with the Padres at Citi Field will close on Tuesday morning. Consider today to be your last chance to shower Jon Niese with beer for his almost-perfect effort in the night cap.

[list]Schaefer POTG 6/10/2010 (Day) - SDP 4 NYM 2
Schaefer POTG 06/10/2010 Mets 3, San Diego 0[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 15 2010 06:25 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Today is your last chance to vote for the three games that the Mets won over the past weekend in Baltimore. All three games will close some time Wednesday morning.

[list]Schaefer POTG 6/11/10 - Mets 5, Orioles 1
Schaefer POTG 6/12/10 - Mets 3, Orioles 1
Schaefer POTG 6/13/10 - Mets 11, Orioles 4[/list:u]

metirish
Jun 15 2010 06:54 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Apologies for my erratic voting , my work now has me covering in a different lab with little access to the internet, not as easy for me to get on it from there.....

Edgy DC
Jun 15 2010 09:47 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Caught up here.

So what's more work --- tabulating our votes or reminding us to vote?

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 16 2010 04:10 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

It's about the same!

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 16 2010 09:51 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Please remember to include the first initial when voting for Mets named Feliciano. Both Pedro and Jesus appeared in the June 13 game in Baltimore, and two voters simply voted for "Feliciano" and I had to, sadly, disregard their votes.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 17 2010 06:49 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's victory over the Indians in Cleveland will close on Friday morning.

[list]Schaefer POTG 6/15/10 - Mets 7, Indians 6[/list:u]

WE STILL HAVE SOME VOTES FOR "FELICIANO" THAT ARE MISSING A FIRST INITIAL!

PLEASE GET INTO THE HABIT OF VOTING FOR PFELICIANO OR JFELICIANO!

Since Jesus Feliciano didn't play in this game, I know that the votes are for Pedro, but that won't always be the case. I'd hate to have to discard ambiguous votes like I had to for one of the games in Baltimore. Please go back and edit your votes.

Thank you!

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 18 2010 08:27 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Wednesday night's win in Cleveland will close over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. If you haven't voted yet, and intend to, please cast your vote sometime today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 6/16/10 - Mets 8, Indians 4[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 21 2010 08:19 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for the final game from last week's sweep over the Indians will close on Tuesday morning.

Only eight votes so far, so I suspect there are more voters out there. If so, please try to get your votes in today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 6/17/10 - Mets 6, Indians 4[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 22 2010 06:09 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for all three games played in the Bronx this past weekend will close on Wednesday morning. Please try to get any outstanding votes in today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 6/18/10 - Mets 4, MFYs 0
Schaefer POTG 6/19/2010 - MFY 5 NYM 3
Schaefer POTG 6/20/10 - MFYs 4, Mets 0[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 25 2010 04:10 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I'm going to have to reluctantly discard Ashie62's vote for the 6/24 loss to the Tigers if he doesn't specify which Feliciano he's voting for.

Ashie62
Jun 25 2010 05:37 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I'm going to have to reluctantly discard Ashie62's vote for the 6/24 loss to the Tigers if he doesn't specify which Feliciano he's voting for.

I edited it..Thanks

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 01 2010 04:50 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I'm back from Puerto Rico, and I have some catching up to do.

Voting for all six games played against the Twins and the Tigers at Citi Field last week will close on Friday.

[list]Schaefer POTG 6/22/10 - Mets 14, Tigers 6
Schaefer POTG 6/23/10 - Mets 5, Tigers 0
Schaefer POTG 6/24/10 - Tigers 6, Mets 5
Schaefer PotG, 6/25, Mets 5, Twins 2
Schaefer POTG 6/26/2010 - MIN 6 NYM 0
Schaefer PotG, 6/27, Mets 6, Twins 0[/list:u]

The Second Spitter
Jul 01 2010 06:22 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I'm back from Puerto Rico, and I have some catching up to do.]

Welcome back. Did you eat Marlin?

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 01 2010 07:32 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

No... never even saw it on a menu. Had a lot of pork, though.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 01 2010 07:40 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

For the June 25 game against the Twins, the following voters need to specify which Feliciano they're voting for: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr, Fman99, Gwreck

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 02 2010 07:52 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for all three games of the 2010 San Juan Series will close on Saturday. If you have any votes to cast, please try to do so today.

La votaci�n para los tres partidos de la Serie 2010 de San Juan se cerrar� el s�bado. Si tiene alguna votos a favor emitidos, por favor trate de hacerlo hoy.

[list]Schaefer POTG 6/28/10 - Marlins 10, Jason Bay 3
Schaefer POTG 6/29/10 - Marlins 7, Mets 6
Schaefer POTG 6/30/10 - Mets 6, Marlins 5[/list:u]

This will also close out the month of June, so be sure to look for the Players of the Month announcement. It looks like we'll have at least one first-time winner, and perhaps as many as three all-new retro baseball cards.

Esto tambi�n se cerrar� el mes de junio, as� que aseg�rese de buscar los jugadores de la convocatoria del mes. Parece que vamos a tener por lo menos uno por primera vez ganador, y tal vez hasta tres tarjetas de retro totalmente nuevo de b�isbol.

The Second Spitter
Jul 05 2010 09:51 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Schaefer POTG 6/7/2010 Reds 8, Mets 6
Dan Iassogna 6
Jerry Meals 3
Dale Scott 0.5
Mark Wegner 0.5

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 06 2010 04:15 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Let's remember that players named "Feliciano" need to have their first initial included.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 06 2010 09:09 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for last Thursday night's series-opening loss to the Nationals will close on Wednesday morning. Please try to get any remaining votes in some time today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 7/1/10 - Nationals 2, Mets 1[/list:u]

The remaining three games that were played in D.C. will close on Thursday. I'll post the official announcement, with links, in this thread tomorrow.

The Second Spitter
Jul 06 2010 08:28 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

What have you got against Venezuelan beer?

Edgy DC
Jul 06 2010 09:26 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Had I not been constrained by the six-point limit, I'd've slammed 8.95 down for Johan tonight. 8.95!

Gwreck
Jul 06 2010 09:29 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Until the Bay RBI single he was destined for a perfect 10.

Edgy DC
Jul 06 2010 09:30 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I reassessed. I take it back.

9.12

themetfairy
Jul 06 2010 10:29 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I gave Ike Davis a sip of Schaefer for his 9th inning diving catch this evening. Without that play, the inning could have gotten very ugly very quickly.

The Second Spitter
Jul 06 2010 11:05 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

themetfairy wrote:
I gave Ike Davis a sip of Schaefer for his 9th inning diving catch this evening

They were serving Solera tonight, before BG changed it

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 07 2010 04:28 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

The Second Spitter wrote:
What have you got against Venezuelan beer?

I need the word "Schaefer" in the thread titles to help me find them.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 07 2010 08:37 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for four games will close tomorrow: the final three games played in Washington, and the Monday night series opener against the Reds at Citi Field. Please get all uncast votes submitted some time today. And remember to specify your Felicianoes!
[list]Schaefer POTG 7/2/10 - Mets 5, Nationals 3
Schaefer POTG 07/03/10 Washington 6, Mets 5
Schaefer POTG 07/04/10 Mets 9, Washington 5
Schaefer PotG, 7/5, Reds 8, Mets 6[/list:u]

Frayed Knot
Jul 07 2010 10:33 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
The Second Spitter wrote:
What have you got against Venezuelan beer?

I need the word "Schaefer" in the thread titles to help me find them.

Besides, we don't want to endanger the sponsorship money we're getting from them.

Zvon
Jul 07 2010 11:18 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Frayed Knot wrote:
Benjamin Grimm wrote:
The Second Spitter wrote:
What have you got against Venezuelan beer?

I need the word "Schaefer" in the thread titles to help me find them.

Besides, we don't want to endanger the sponsorship money we're getting from them.

Your gettin flow!?
All I get is a 30 pack every two weeks.
Dagnabitt!

Edgy DC
Jul 07 2010 12:34 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Seriously, if anyone (with the right skill set) wants to contact the Pabst (current owners of the Schaefer brand) Brewing Company's promotions/publicity/advertising department and negotiate a real sponsorship deal, please go ahead. Just don't sign anything without first running it by myself, KC, and Ben Grimm.

I've sent an inquiry or two, but probably to the wrong office, and I've never heard back.

Gwreck
Jul 07 2010 09:11 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Seeing some 4+ point scores for Niese makes me think that he's sucking up extra points because so few other players did anything valuable. 3 runs in 7 2/3 isn't bad but it's not world-beating either.

Edgy DC
Jul 07 2010 09:13 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I missed this sucker. Anybody want to tell me about any superlative defensive plays or any other Jeter-class don't-make-it-into-the-boxscore moments?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 07 2010 09:46 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Gwreck wrote:
Seeing some 4+ point scores for Niese makes me think that he's sucking up extra points because so few other players did anything valuable. 3 runs in 7 2/3 isn't bad but it's not world-beating either.

He also hit a ringing double.

The Second Spitter
Jul 07 2010 09:51 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2010 11:38 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
I missed this sucker. Anybody want to tell me about any superlative defensive plays or any other Jeter-class don't-make-it-into-the-boxscore moments?

Cora in the first or second. Super diving catch on a sizzling liner.

Edgy DC
Jul 07 2010 10:07 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Thanks, but I got Cora over two points in the hole as it is, so he's not making my ballot unless he pulls an Agee out there.

Gwreck
Jul 08 2010 05:32 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Gwreck wrote:
Seeing some 4+ point scores for Niese makes me think that he's sucking up extra points because so few other players did anything valuable. 3 runs in 7 2/3 isn't bad but it's not world-beating either.

He also hit a ringing double.

But then got thrown out on the basepaths like an idiot, negating much of the value of the double.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 08 2010 05:46 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I forgot that, I will subtract something for it. But I wasn't trying to "use up" points his teammates didn't earn, that's not how I roll.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 08 2010 06:28 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Reds will close on Friday morning. Still haven't voted? Do it today!

[list]Schaefer POTG - 7/6/10 Mets 3, Reds 0[/list:u]

Gwreck
Jul 08 2010 06:40 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I forgot that, I will subtract something for it. But I wasn't trying to "use up" points his teammates didn't earn, that's not how I roll.

Not meant as a personal knock, just an observation born out of frustration with the Mets' inability to give Bronson Arroyo the beating he so richly deserves.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 08 2010 08:04 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Alex Cora is the Schaefer Mets Player of the First Five Games of July.

Can he hold the lead for the remaining 26 days? How motivated is he to see himself on a 1970's Topps baseball card?

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 09 2010 11:58 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Wednesday night's loss to the Reds at Citi Field will close some time over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. This game is still lightly voted. If your name isn't themetfairy, John Cougar Lunchbucket, Zvon, G-Fafif, Gwreck, Edgy DC, or Benjamin Grimm, then you haven't voted yet.

[list]Schaefer POTG 7/7/10 - Reds 3, Mets 1[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 15 2010 07:59 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

These games were actually due to close on Wednesday, but I guess my brain took an All-Star break too. Instead, the last three pre-break games, played at Citi Field against the Braves, will close on Friday morning. If you haven't voted yet and intend to, please try to get your numbers in today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 7/9/10 - Braves 4, Mets 2
Schaefer POTG 7/10/10 - Braves 4, Mets 0
Schaefer PotG, 7/11, Mets 3, Braves 0[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 20 2010 07:28 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Lotsa Schaefer closure tomorrow, as all four games from this past weekend's near-sweep against the Giants will close some time on Wednesday morning. If you have any votes still to submit, please try to do so today.

[list]Schaefer PotG, 7/15, Giants 2, Mets 0
Schaefer POTG 7/16/2010 - SFG 1 NYM 0
Schaefer PotG, 7/17, Giants 8, Mets 4
Schaefer POTG 07/18/2010 Mets 4, San Francisco 3[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 22 2010 08:43 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Monday and Tuesday night's losses in Arizona will close on Friday morning. Tuesday's game is still rather lightly voted. As yet we've only heard from Edgy DC, Ashie62, G-Fafif, Kong76, themetfairy, Benjamin Grimm, and John Cougar Lunchbucket. Nevertheless, voting will close tomorrow. If you'd like to chime in, please try to do so today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 7/19/2010 - ARI 13 NYM 2
Schaefer PotG, 7/20, Diamondbacks 3, Mets 2[/list:u]

Edgy DC
Jul 22 2010 08:45 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I don't really know who is setting himself up to be Player of the Month. Pagan, I guess.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 22 2010 08:50 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

There's one player with a fairly comfortable lead. And it's not Pagan.

The Second Spitter
Jul 22 2010 08:51 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Jason Bay?

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 22 2010 08:57 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Remember, pitchers are eligible too.

Here's the current Top Ten for July, through Sunday's game:

1 Johan Santana 19.14
2 Jon Niese 13.35
3 R. A. Dickey 12.49
4 Ike Davis 11.79
5 Angel Pagan 10.24
6 David Wright 8.34
7 Jason Bay 6.89
8 Alex Cora 5.68
9 Josh Thole 4.97
10 Hisanori Takahashi 3.07

Edgy DC
Jul 22 2010 09:00 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Got to be Johan, 24 innings, two earned runs.

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 23 2010 08:34 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Wednesday night's 14-inning loss in Phoenix will close sometime over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. Please try go get any remaining votes in today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 7/21/2010 - ARI 4 NYM 3 (14)[/list:u]

The Second Spitter
Jul 23 2010 08:55 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Why doesn't m.e.t.b.o.t vote anymore? Did mmm break him or something?

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 27 2010 06:53 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

All four games from this past weekend's series at Dodger Stadium will close on Wednesday morning. Please try to get any remaining votes submitted today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 7/22/2010 - LAD 2 NYM 0
Schaefer POTG 7/23/10 - Mets 6, Dodgers 1
Schaefer POTG 7/24/10 - Dodgers 3, Mets 2 (13 Innings)
Schaefer PotG, 7/25, Dodgers 1, Mets, 0[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 28 2010 02:08 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Schaefer Mets Players of the Week, 2010 (weeks start on Sunday and end on Saturday)

2010-04-10 Jeff Francoeur 6.47
2010-04-17 Mike Pelfrey 5.78
2010-04-24 Jos� Reyes 5.86
2010-05-01 David Wright 5.92
2010-05-08 Rod Barajas 6.94
2010-05-15 Angel Pagan 5.49
2010-05-22 Mike Pelfrey 7.12
2010-05-29 Johan Santana 9.77
2010-06-05 David Wright 7.35
2010-06-12 Jon Niese 5.99
2010-06-19 Jos� Reyes 9.20
2010-06-26 Jos� Reyes 6.60
2010-07-03 David Wright 8.97
2010-07-10 Angel Pagan 8.10
2010-07-17 Jon Niese 4.88
2010-07-24 Johan Santana 8.51

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 29 2010 07:21 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's series-opening win over the Cardinals at Citi Field will close on Friday morning. Vote today if you haven't yet done so (and intend to).

[list]Schaefer POTG 7/27/10 - Mets 8, Cardinals 2[/list:u]

The Second Spitter
Jul 30 2010 03:49 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's series-opening win over the Cardinals at Citi Field will close on Friday morning. Vote today if you haven't yet done so (and intend to).

[list]Schaefer POTG 7/27/10 - Mets 8, Cardinals 2[/list:u]

Many voters gave Beltran (2-3, RBI) more than Francoeur (1-4, 3RBI) -- not having seen all of the game, may I ask why?

Benjamin Grimm
Jul 30 2010 07:43 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Wednesday's 13-inning loss to the Cardinals at Citi Field will close sometime over the weekend, perhaps as early as Saturday morning. So far we've only heard from six voters: themetfairy, Edgy DC, G-Fafif, Benjamin Grimm, LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr, and Frayed Knot. If your name isn't on that list, and you'd like it to be, please get your votes in today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 7/28/10 - Cardinals 8, Mets 7 (13 Innings)[/list:u]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 30 2010 08:49 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's series-opening win over the Cardinals at Citi Field will close on Friday morning. Vote today if you haven't yet done so (and intend to).

[list]Schaefer POTG 7/27/10 - Mets 8, Cardinals 2[/list:u]

Many voters gave Beltran (2-3, RBI) more than Francoeur (1-4, 3RBI) -- not having seen all of the game, may I ask why?

To me, it was almost a push. Francoeur's blast was key when it came, but it was all he offered of value... and the fact that it came with two men on became diminished in importance-- in my mind-- as more runs came. Beltran not only got two hits-- one of which was a double-- but got on base another time (once working a walk off of Wainwright).

Edgy DC
Jul 30 2010 08:56 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's series-opening win over the Cardinals at Citi Field will close on Friday morning. Vote today if you haven't yet done so (and intend to).

[list]Schaefer POTG 7/27/10 - Mets 8, Cardinals 2[/list:u]

Many voters gave Beltran (2-3, RBI) more than Francoeur (1-4, 3RBI) -- not having seen all of the game, may I ask why?

That doesn't quite sum it up for me. He went 2-3, with a double, a walk, an RBI and a run scored. I don't know if I gave him any defensive credit, but to me, the biggest chunk of the difference was the fewer outs.

Gwreck
Aug 01 2010 08:49 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

1. I know the rules say don't vote zero (I disagree with the rationale) so I voted a symbolic half-point to Pagan today.

2.
Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Pretty poor voter participation for this game. Seems we're hitting the summer doldrums...

I saw this in a voting thread -- I voted but realized after making the post that voting had already closed.

I don't run the system and don't get to complain about the free service I utilize --so I will repeat my comment that I think voting closes much too quickly, particularly in the summer when people are traveling and may not be able to vote each game within 3 days.

The Second Spitter
Aug 02 2010 02:18 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I would like to second Gwreck's suggestion that voting stay open for longer. Also, I think this is the only game I haven't voted in the last month so my apologies for that.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 02 2010 07:49 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Thursday afternoon's businessman special victory over the Cardinals at Citi Field will close on Tuesday morning. (If you haven't yet voted, try to do so today.)

I'll post another reminder tomorrow, but the three-game series that just concluded against Arizona will close on Wednesday, and the July Players of the Month will be announced.

[list]Schaefer POTG 07/29/2010 Mets 4, St. Louis 0[/list:u]

To Gwreck's point, I've seen that the majority of votes come within less than 24 hours after the game has ended, leaving them open longer than that brings diminishing returns. I prefer to keep things moving; if I fall well behind in the tallying it becomes an effort to get caught up. Having said that, I'll be offline and out of touch for about two weeks, beginning August 19, so about half the games in August will be open for considerably longer than usual.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 03 2010 07:55 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

All three games from this past weekend's series against Arizona will close on Wednesday morning. This will also close out the month of July, so look for the big Players of the Month announcement tomorrow as well. Anyone who hasn't voted yet, and intends to, should get their votes in today.

[list]Schaefer PotG, 7/30, Diamondbacks 9, Mets 6
Schaefer POTG 7/31/10 - Mets 5, Diamondbacks 4
Schaefer POTG 8/1/10 - Diamondbacks 14, Mets 1[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 04 2010 08:04 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

The Schaefer Mets Player of the Week for the week ending July 31 is R. A. Dickey, with 9.15 points.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 04 2010 09:02 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Monday night's loss in Atlanta will close some time on Thursday. Please get any outstanding votes in today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 8/2/10 - Braves 4, Mets 1[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 05 2010 11:11 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's win in Atlanta will close on Friday afternoon. If you still have votes to cast, try to get them in today, or tomorrow morning.

[list]Schaefer POTG 8/3/10 - Mets 3, Braves 2[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 06 2010 07:55 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Only six voters so far for Wednesday's loss to the Braves in Atlanta. I'll keep the voting open until Monday morning. If you're not among the six who have voted, (and you intend to vote) please get your numbers in either today or over the weekend.

[list]Schaefer POTG 8/4/10 - Braves 8, Mets 3[/list:u]

The Second Spitter
Aug 08 2010 06:09 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

A historical question on Schaefer votes: when real Schaefer voting took place, were 10 points always awarded irrespective of the team's bad performance?

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 08 2010 08:36 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I'm about 98 per cent sure the answer to that is no.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 10 2010 07:57 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

All three games from this past weekend's series in Philadelphia will close on Wednesday morning. Anyone who hasn't voted yet, and intends to, should get their votes in today.

[list]Schaefer POTG 8/6/10 - Phillies 7, Mets 5
Schaefer POTG 8/7/10 - Mets 1, Phillies 0
Schaefer PotG, 8/8/2010, Phillies 6, Mets 5[/list:u]

The August 8 game is still a bit short on votes. So far we've only heard from Edgy DC, LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr, themetfairy, G-Fafif, Benjamin Grimm, and Ashie62.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 12 2010 01:06 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Rockies will close on Friday afternoon, after 3 p.m.

[list]Schaefer POTG 08/10/10 Mets 1, Colorado 0[/list:u]

The Second Spitter
Aug 13 2010 02:34 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

themetfairy wrote:
Box Score

Santana - 5.75

Please explain.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 13 2010 04:23 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Oh, by the way, the Schaefer Mets Player of the Week, for the week ending August 7, was Johan Santana with 6.41 points.

seawolf17
Aug 13 2010 06:04 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

The Second Spitter wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
Box Score

Santana - 5.75

Please explain.

Because he didn't SACRIFICE BUNT LIKE WE ASKED HIM TO. This will not go unpunished.

themetfairy
Aug 13 2010 08:48 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

The Second Spitter wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
Box Score

Santana - 5.75

Please explain.

4 hits and 2 walks.

Don't get me wrong - he was superlative yesterday. But I want my 6.0 votes to go to something closer to perfection.

I'm sure I gave Niese a 6.0 for his 1-hitter. I may have given out another 6.0 or two for a strong pitching performance in a game with no Mets offense to speak of. But generally, I want to hold off on awarding 6.0 unless it's something truly great.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 13 2010 08:54 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

themetfairy wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
Box Score

Santana - 5.75

Please explain.

4 hits and 2 walks.

Don't get me wrong - he was superlative yesterday. But I want my 6.0 votes to go to something closer to perfection.

I'm sure I gave Niese a 6.0 for his 1-hitter. I may have given out another 6.0 or two for a strong pitching performance in a game with no Mets offense to speak of. But generally, I want to hold off on awarding 6.0 unless it's something truly great.

Fair enough.

But still... double-digit strikeouts leavens the six baserunners a bit, no? (As per ESPN, Niese notched a 91 GameScore for his one-hitter; Johan yesterday was an 87.)

themetfairy
Aug 13 2010 08:58 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

It was definitely a close call. If it was one of those 1-0 games, I might have given Johan the 6. But I just didn't feel right about doing it yesterday - there was enough other beer to distribute.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 13 2010 02:38 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Wednesday's game is due to close over the weekend, but since there are only six votes so far, I'll hold it open until Monday morning. If you want to vote for this game, please try to do so over the weekend.

So far, we've heard from Benjamin Grimm, Ashie62, G-Fafif, The Second Spitter, themetfairy, and Frayed Knot.

[list]Schaefer POTG 08/11/2010 Colorado 6, Mets 2[/list:u]

Gwreck
Aug 13 2010 09:07 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Is tonight finally the night that somebody gets the perfect 6.0? Then again, if Niese couldn't get a 6.0 in his 1-hitter, I don't know how anyone else could.

themetfairy
Aug 14 2010 05:17 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I've given a few 6.0s out this year. Tonight was one of them. And Niese's 1-hitter was one of them.

Hey - it's not like I gave Johan a 3 the other day. It was the difference between 5.75 and 6.0.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 16 2010 11:17 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Thursday afternoon's win over the Rockies will close on Tuesday afternoon, after 2 p.m.

[list]Schaefer POTG 8/12/10 - Mets 4, Rockies 0[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 17 2010 10:56 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

The three games that the Mets played against the Phillies this past weekend will all close on Wednesday afternoon.

[list]Schaefer POTG 8/13/10 - Mets 1, Phillies 0
Schaefer POTG 8/14/10 - Phillies 4, Mets 0
Schaefer POTG 8/15/10 - Phillies 3, Mets 1[/list:u]

Both of the Mets losses are low on votes.

For the August 14 game, we've only heard from themetfairy, Ashie62, LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr, G-Fafif, John Cougar Lunchbucket, and Benjamin Grimm.

And for August 15, only themetfairy, Edgy DC, LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr, G-Fafif, and Benjamin Grimm have voted.

While you're at it, please be sure to get your votes in for last night's win over the Astros. That will be the last game I'll close before I leave on my summer hiatus. It will close some time on Thursday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 18 2010 08:07 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Monday night's win in Houston will close on Thursday morning. This will be the final Schaefer tally before September. I leave for vacation tomorrow evening and won't return until September 4. In the meantime, please keep starting the threads and posting your votes. I may or may not pop in from time to time but I won't be doing any vote tallying.

[list]Schaefer POTG 8/16/10 - Mets 3, Astros 1[/list:u]

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 19 2010 08:04 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Okay, that's it! (For now, anyway.) No more Schaefer tallying until September. When I get home from Europe, I'll start catching up. I'll paste the UMDB box scores, and then I'll start tallying games played since then, without any additional notices here. Please continue starting the threads (and please make sure to have "Schaefer" in the title so I can easily find them) and try to get your votes in before the voting threads slip too far off the first page and become forgotten.

I think I'll have some internet access here and there, so I won't be completely out of touch. Although I do kind of like the idea of coming home two weeks from now and being totally surprised to find the Mets in first place!

[list]Schaefer POTG 8/17/10 - Astros 4, Mets 3
Schaefer POTG 8/18/10 - Mets 3, Astros 2 (14 Innings)[/list:u]

themetfairy
Aug 19 2010 08:08 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Have a great trip!

Frayed Knot
Aug 23 2010 07:26 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

For those of you who are normally given to voting in this project, try not to get too far behind just because Ben isn't here holding deadlines over our collective heads. Much easier to keep up with this stuff while it's still semi-current and (mainly because I just got caught up myself) all the recent games from both the Astros & Pirates series are either on page 1 or the very beginning of page 2.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 26 2010 12:25 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Thanks, Frayed. It looks like the games of August 19, 20, and 21 are very light on votes, one of them has only four. They will close when I return to the USA, most likely with no further warning in this thread.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 04 2010 04:08 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!

All open Schaefer threads through August 31 are subject to being closed without any further notice. I'll give the standard warning, when I'm ready to tally the votes, for any games played on or after September 1.

It looks like many of the games are undervoted, some with as little as three responses.

(Oh, and thanks to those who have been opening the threads! I appreciate your keeping the candle burning for me in my absence.)

themetfairy
Sep 04 2010 08:47 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Benjamin Grimm wrote:

(Oh, and thanks to those who have been opening the threads! I appreciate your keeping the candle burning for me in my absence.)

Welcome back BG!

It's my pleasure and honor to open the threads when I'm around :)

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 07 2010 09:18 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for the September 1 and 2 games against the Braves will close on Wednesday morning.

[list]Schaefer POTG 9/1/10 - Braves 4, Mets 1
Schaefer POTG 9/2/10 - Mets 4, Braves 2
[/list:u]

Both games have only five votes. (In each case, from themetfairy, Edgy DC, G-Fafif, Ashie62, and Benjamin Grimm.) If your name is not on that list, and you'd like to cast a vote, please do so today. Thanks.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 08 2010 06:12 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

All three games from the weekend series in Chicago will close on Thursday morning.

[list]Schaefer POTG 9/3/10 - Cubs 7, Mets 6
Schaefer POTG 9/4/2010 - CHI 5 NYM 3
Schaefer PotG, 9/6, Mets 18, Cubs 5[/list:u]

Only three people have cast votes for the September 3 game (themetfairy, G-Fafif, Benjamin Grimm) Let's see if we can avoid setting a record for apathy and get a few more votes in.

Edgy DC
Sep 08 2010 07:13 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Only game I've missed in about six weeks. I'll try to get a vote in tonight.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 08 2010 11:11 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I've always been of the mindset that if I didn't see/hear a majority-- or significant portion of the meaningful part-- of the game, that I'd politely decline to vote.

I mean, I can go strictly based on the box, but context is missing, dig?

Edgy DC
Sep 08 2010 11:15 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Context can be re-assembled.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 09 2010 11:38 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday's game, which has so far only received five votes, will close on Friday afternoon.

Schaefer POTG 9/7/10 - Mets 4, Nationals 1

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 10 2010 12:37 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Even when the Mets win, nobody casts any Schaefer votes! Wednesday's win over the Mets has had only three votes so far. I know this season has become dreary, but with only about three weeks to go, I'll half-heartedly see this Schaefer stuff through to the end. Hopefully by April we'll once again be brimming with enthusiasm.

I think from this point forward I'll just close the games when I feel like it, and may not bother with these little reminder messages.

Schaefer POTG 9/8/10 - Mets 3, Nationals 2

Edgy DC
Sep 10 2010 12:49 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

My computer is dying at home. I hardly have the patience to wait for the boxscores and video highlights to load via my "high-speed wireless internet service."

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 14 2010 08:16 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday games against the Phillies in Queens will close on Wednesday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 15 2010 09:19 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Monday night's 1-0 win over the Pirates will close some time on Thursday morning.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14734

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 16 2010 07:35 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday night's 9-1 win over the Pirates will close on Friday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2010 12:48 PM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for the September 15 and September 16 games against the Pirates will close on Tuesday afternoon.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 21 2010 07:35 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Despite very low vote counts (especially for Sunday's game, where only three people have participated) voting for the games played against Atlanta on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday will all close on Wednesday morning. The end is near... let's see if we can see this thing through for just another couple of weeks.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 23 2010 06:48 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

We continue to pathetically stagger towards the finish line. Only the three most faithful voters (me, G-Fafif*, and metfairy*) have voted for Tuesday's loss to the Marlins, which will close tomorrow morning.

*Thanks for hanging in there guys. If not for you two, I'd feel really silly sticking with this!

themetfairy
Sep 23 2010 07:02 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Benjamin Grimm wrote:

*Thanks for hanging in there guys. If not for you two, I'd feel really silly sticking with this!

It's my pleasure BG.

I'm nothing if not tenacious....

Edgy DC
Sep 23 2010 07:29 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

I'm faithful. I'm just terribly busy right now. I've been out every evening, though posting remotely last night.

G-Fafif
Sep 23 2010 07:31 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
We continue to pathetically stagger towards the finish line. Only the three most faithful voters (me, G-Fafif*, and metfairy*) have voted for Tuesday's loss to the Marlins, which will close tomorrow morning.

*Thanks for hanging in there guys. If not for you two, I'd feel really silly sticking with this!

Democracy is fun! Mets, too, sort of.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 27 2010 07:17 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for the September 22 loss to the Marlins will close on Tuesday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 28 2010 06:11 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday games in Philadelphia will close on Wednesday morning.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 30 2010 06:55 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for Tuesday's win over the Brewers will close on Friday morning.

We've had a bit of an uptick in participation lately, which is nice to see; gives me a dash of enthusiasm for continuing this silly exercise into the 2011 season.

I'll probably close last night's doubleheader over the weekend. If there's a rainout tonight, that will wrap up the month of September and potentially cause one particular Met to lose a shot at Schaefer glory.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 01 2010 06:34 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for both the first game and the second game of the Brewers' Wednesday doubleheader sweep of the Mets will close over the weekend. Five voters so far for each game. If you still have votes to cast, please try to get them submitted today.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 04 2010 08:15 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Voting for the September 30game (a 9-2 loss to the Brewers) will close on Tuesday morning.

That will wrap up the month of September. It looks like we'll have first-time winners in all three categories, so look for three all-new retro baseball cards in tomorrow's Player of the Month announcement.

On Wednesday the voting for the three games against Washington will close, and with that we'll be able to reveal the Schaefer Mets Player of the Year. (I doubt that anyone will be surprised by the result.)

Edgy DC
Oct 04 2010 08:36 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Wait. October games don't get hammered into the numbers for September's PotM? Does that mean we get a PotM for October's three games?

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 04 2010 09:29 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

No. Any games played in March or October count only to season totals, but not to monthly awards.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 06 2010 07:19 AM
Re: 2010 Schaefer Voting Discussion Thread

Time to wrap up the Schaefer stuff for 2010.

Voting for the last three games of the season (against Washington at Citi Field) will close tomorrow, and the final Schaefer season totals will be revealed. If you care to cast any final Schaefer votes, please do so today.

Friday's game

Saturday's game

Sunday's game