Master Index of Archived Threads


Breaking the mold

Frayed Knot Apr 23 2010 06:14 AM

Adam Rubin: The game's consummate leadoff hitter is headed to the No. 3 hole in the New York Mets' lineup. Manager Jerry Manuel has informed Jose Reyes that he intends to bat the shortstop third this weekend against the Atlanta Braves in an attempt to jumpstart the team's dormant offense. "I said, 'Whatever is best for the team, I'm going to do it,'" Reyes told ESPNNewYork.com. "I don't have any problem." Way to get radical Jerry.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 23 2010 06:37 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Wright 5th, I'm guessing.

metirish Apr 23 2010 06:38 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Bravo old chap, bravo

Frayed Knot Apr 23 2010 06:42 AM Re: Breaking the mold

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Wright 5th, I'm guessing. I'm thinking fourth as Bay looks at least as confused as Dabid. Something along the lines of: Pagan Castillo Reyes Wright Bay Francoeur Davis Catcher Pitcher might even swap Davis & Francoeur if a RHP is going

Edgy DC Apr 23 2010 06:57 AM Re: Breaking the mold

He's also torn between the two values of (1) breaking up hitters who all bat from the same side, and (2) keeping the pressure off of the rookie by batting him in the back end of the lineup. It'll be interesting to see how and when he resolves that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 23 2010 07:10 AM Re: Breaking the mold

I won't believe it till I see it. Today's Snooze said Jerry was still thinking it over, with the idea being Bay to bat 4th behind Reyes (or Pagan). There is a new lineup story every morning.

metirish Apr 23 2010 07:11 AM Re: Breaking the mold

The Snooze also had speculation on Davis getting moved up.

Swan Swan H Apr 23 2010 07:38 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Newsday intimated that Bay may be slotted second.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 23 2010 07:52 AM Re: Breaking the mold

So did the News. The reason for that is that Bay would be helped by seeing more fastballs if he was batting with Reyes on first base.

soupcan Apr 23 2010 07:53 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Didn't they just take 3 of 4 from the Cubs with Jose leading off? And aren't they 4-2 in their last 6? Just askin'.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 23 2010 08:39 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Benjamin Grimm wrote: So did the News. The reason for that is that Bay would be helped by seeing more fastballs if he was batting with Reyes on first base. Ah, yes. From the "Sounds Good, So It Must Be Good" school of logic.

Edgy DC Apr 23 2010 08:43 AM Re: Breaking the mold

I like the idea of trying him batting in front of Wright, however.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 23 2010 09:02 AM Re: Breaking the mold

I can go for that... Yup Yup. Yes, can do. Even more so, I'd like what I'll call the Speed ExchangeTM to be my fruit at the bottom of the yogurt-cup. Castillo Reyes Wright Bay Francoeur Davis Barajas PITCHER Pagan

attgig Apr 23 2010 09:21 AM Re: Breaking the mold

well, at least we're not sending johan to the bullpen.......

Chad Ochoseis Apr 23 2010 09:37 AM Re: Breaking the mold

What I want to know is how Tony LaRussa figured out LWFS's password.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 23 2010 09:41 AM Re: Breaking the mold

He's a genius, remember?

batmagadanleadoff Apr 23 2010 09:46 AM Re: Breaking the mold

This story is beginning to annoy me. All of this deliberation and hesitation and false starts and back and forth over this no-brainer that Reyes should be slotted down one or two slots in the lineup.... And the thing of it is that Jerry doesn't even seem to understand why Reyes shouldn't be batting leadoff. Instead, he seems to have just blundered into the right move. Because the key to this is to have Castillo leading off. It's not so much that Reyes shouldn't be leading off but that Castillo, for reasons already mentioned here about 100 other times, shouldn't be following the leadoff hitter. Just do it already.

metirish Apr 23 2010 09:56 AM Re: Breaking the mold

I can't look at this thread now without Judas Priest's "Breaking The Law" repeating in my head.

seawolf17 Apr 23 2010 10:12 AM Re: Breaking the mold

batmagadanleadoff wrote: This story is beginning to annoy me. All of this deliberation and hesitation and false starts and back and forth over this no-brainer that Reyes should be slotted down one or two slots in the lineup.... And the thing of it is that Jerry doesn't even seem to understand why Reyes shouldn't be batting leadoff. Instead, he seems to have just blundered into the right move. Because the key to this is to have Castillo leading off. It's not so much that Reyes shouldn't be leading off but that Castillo, for reasons already mentioned here about 100 other times, shouldn't be following the leadoff hitter. Just do it already. Or perhaps Dave Magadan. I agree 100% with Castillo leading off.

Edgy DC Apr 23 2010 10:17 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Well, where do we start, by convincing him the bunt isn't so important that you need to deliberately keep productive batters from hitting there, or by convincing him to move Castillo and hope he forgets that it would reduce his bunting opportunities? Because that's what it all comes down to.

attgig Apr 23 2010 10:27 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Benjamin Grimm wrote: So did the News. The reason for that is that Bay would be helped by seeing more fastballs if he was batting with Reyes on first base. one thing that I don't get about this is that David Wright is no slouch on the basepaths himself. he's going to distract pitchers with his ability to steal....so... does this logic seem flawed? or does reyes distract pitchers that much more than wright?

Edgy DC Apr 23 2010 10:32 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Not that I'm demanding you buy the theory, but the idea is more about fastballs than distraction.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 23 2010 10:47 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Well, do pitchers throw more fastballs when a "speedster" like Reyes is on base with second base open? It seems reasonable to think that a pitcher would be less eager to throw an offspeed pitch in that situation. Problem is, even if Bay hits behind Reyes, more often than not Reyes doesn't reach base, and sometimes when he does reach base, there will also be a runner on second. So I don't know if Bay would see enough additional fastballs for it to make much of a difference at all.

Edgy DC Apr 23 2010 11:09 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Well, I agree, though there is the occurrence of him not being on but the leadoff batter (also, preumably, a base-stealing threat) is, and a basestealer on second doesn't absolve the pitcher from thinking about him. I just prefer Bay in front of Wright because it's not working the other way around.

TransMonk Apr 23 2010 03:40 PM Re: Breaking the mold

I think this whole thing reeks of managerial desperation. I hope it works, but if it doesn't, it has to be the final nail for Jerry.

Frayed Knot Apr 23 2010 03:45 PM Re: Breaking the mold

Well, if the guys don't hit it's not going to matter what order they're put in. I can't call it desperation seeing as how I've been for getting Reyes off the lead-off spot for about 2 years now, although maybe Jerry sees it that way and is only doing it because he's out of other ideas.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 23 2010 03:46 PM Re: Breaking the mold

all you don Lagreca boyfriends oughhta be listening to what an ignorant cocksucking retard he is about this lineup switch.

Ashie62 Apr 23 2010 04:38 PM Re: Breaking the mold

metirish wrote: I can't look at this thread now without Judas Priest's "Breaking The Law" repeating in my head. yes, the Mets are a manly team Bat Reyes first

bmfc1 Apr 23 2010 08:29 PM Re: Breaking the mold

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: all you don Lagreca boyfriends oughhta be listening to what an ignorant cocksucking retard he is about this lineup switch. You're absolutely correct. I was listening and wanted LaGreca to stand-up to Kay and possibly defend the Mets but he was slurping up what Kay was putting out.

Fman99 Apr 23 2010 08:38 PM Re: Breaking the mold

Studies have shown, listening to Kay and LaGreca will give you super AIDS.

Ashie62 Apr 23 2010 08:47 PM Re: Breaking the mold

Just when the water was safe.

Frayed Knot Apr 23 2010 08:47 PM Re: Breaking the mold

I didn't (and don't) listen to Kay/LaG but I can only imagine that their "logic" went something along the lines that, because Reyes is fast, he can only be successful as a slappy/bunty type hitter therefore he must hit lead-off because that's the only way he can use his speed and be "dynamic". I half expect that sort of stuff from Kay who either actually believes it or is just so totally ignorant of NL ball that he just assumes it. But if LaGreca is supposedly a Met fan and is none-the-less towing that same barge then he should simply be ruled too stupid to make his living behind a microphone.

Ashie62 Apr 24 2010 07:56 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Amen brother

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 24 2010 08:46 AM Re: Breaking the mold

Fatcessa was doing a NFL draft show so I had to listen to those 2 retards yesterday (I typed the above message while I was listening to them). It's as if neither of them had ever seen Reyes play before (or Castillo or Pagan for that matter), I mean, they had no idea.