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IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Benjamin Grimm May 19 2010 07:23 AM

I haven't started an IGT this year. Let's see if I have any mojo.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 07:27 AM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Brillliant.

metirish May 19 2010 07:32 AM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Like Dickey lets hope it;s not one and done.....

HahnSolo May 19 2010 07:42 AM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

sometimes I miss old Fruit Loops: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hzI_aBATO8

Gwreck May 19 2010 08:10 AM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Some background on R.A.: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/sport ... ickey.html I think I posted this before, when Dickey faced the Mets a couple of years ago, but of course anything by Alan Schwarz is worth a re-read.

Ceetar May 19 2010 12:30 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Wright sits, Davis cleanup. Reyes SS. Castillo 2B. Bay LF. Davis 1B. Pagan CF. Francoeur RF. Tatis 3B. Blanco C. Dickey P

Edgy DC May 19 2010 12:40 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Tatis is still alive. Good move to sit Wright. Fernando seemed to me like the better choice last night if one had to pinch-hit for Carter.

Frayed Knot May 19 2010 01:02 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Edgy DC"]Fernando seemed to me like the better choice last night if one had to pinch-hit for Carter.

And he was going to until Castillo beat out the infield hit and it became bunting time. At that point Tatis was called back (never announced) and GMJ inserted.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 01:11 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

That's what I'm talkin' about.

Centerfield May 19 2010 01:11 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

As far as I can tell, R.A. is the first Dickey to play for the Mets since Dicky Gonzalez. At 6'2" (compared to 5'11") he is the biggest Dickey to play for the Mets. This goes for girth too (215 lbs. compared to 170 lbs.). But he will be the first to tell you that his size is not important, and that movement is much more important to his success. In fact, after finishing his one-hitter in Buffalo last month, reports were that "his stuff was all over the place". As a knuckleballer, he can't match up in sheer power, but he does make up for it in stamina, lasting much longer than others. His recovery time is short. Rumor has it that after a quick nap, he's ready for action again. Not sure of any religious affiliation, but we do know that he's been cut several times.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 19 2010 01:14 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Edgy DC":2vaza02z]Tatis is still alive. Good move to sit Wright.[/quote:2vaza02z] Well, kinda... traditionally, he pounds on Livan like he's making Livan Francese: .333/.400/.750 with 4 HRs and 7 XBH in 39 PAs.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 19 2010 01:19 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Wright at least last night seemed to think sitting was the worst thing for him, but maybe he needs to be slapped around a little.

Ceetar May 19 2010 01:22 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":22vlnpjr]Wright at least last night seemed to think sitting was the worst thing for him, but maybe he needs to be slapped around a little.[/quote:22vlnpjr] The beat writers are chirping like Wright doesn't know yet, and that he'll be livid. I wouldn't be surprised if he argues his way into the lineup.

bmfc1 May 19 2010 01:47 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[u:1hpdlm8g]Nationals:[/u:1hpdlm8g] Morgan cf Guzman 2b Zimmerman 3b Dunn 1b Willingham lf Pudge c Bernadina rf Desmond ss Livan p Dunn had some sort of procedure so he was out the last two days but he's better today. Rodriguez had yesterday off but he's back today.

G-Fafif May 19 2010 02:39 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="bmfc1":13eblokl]Dunn had some sort of procedure so he was out the last two days but he's better today.[/quote:13eblokl] Let's hope it was a homerunectomy.

soupcan May 19 2010 02:56 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

*rim shot*

Chad Ochoseis May 19 2010 05:48 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

One day, soon, we may have to admit that Castillo's defense doesn't suck. Nice play fielding a grounder off Ike's glove to get Nyjer Friggin' Morgan.

Chad Ochoseis May 19 2010 05:53 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

ANGEL!!!

TheOldMole May 19 2010 05:55 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Are there any other ex-teammates Angel can hit inside-the-park homers against?

Nymr83 May 19 2010 05:59 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

that was awesome, did it touch Morgan's glove when he jumped or go clean off the wall?

smg58 May 19 2010 06:02 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Ironically, a lesser defensive centerfielder than Morgan would have probably realized that one was beyond him and played it more conservatively. I'd be curious to see if the other outfielder were hustling all the way to back it up, though. At any rate, that was tremendous hustle by Pagan and hopefully it lights a spark

smg58 May 19 2010 06:02 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

I didn't see it touch glove.

Chad Ochoseis May 19 2010 06:09 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Angel making a play for some serious Schaefer tonight.

Nymr83 May 19 2010 06:12 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

great catch by Pagan to help Dickey get out of it with only 2 runs. (why do feel that if the Mets had loaded the bases with nobody out they'd score one run at most?)

Ashie62 May 19 2010 06:21 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Centerfield":20stice6]As far as I can tell, R.A. is the first Dickey to play for the Mets since Dicky Gonzalez. At 6'2" (compared to 5'11") he is the biggest Dickey to play for the Mets. This goes for girth too (215 lbs. compared to 170 lbs.). But he will be the first to tell you that his size is not important, and that movement is much more important to his success. In fact, after finishing his one-hitter in Buffalo last month, reports were that "his stuff was all over the place". As a knuckleballer, he can't match up in sheer power, but he does make up for it in stamina, lasting much longer than others. His recovery time is short. Rumor has it that after a quick nap, he's ready for action again. Not sure of any religious affiliation, but we do know that he's been cut several times.[/quote:20stice6] Dont forget Dicky Greenleaf

Nymr83 May 19 2010 06:23 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 19 2010 06:24 PM

TRIPLE PLAY!!! terrible job by the umps not making a more emphatic call, the baserunners had no idea what was up there.

TheOldMole May 19 2010 06:24 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

You don't see that every day.

Fman99 May 19 2010 06:24 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

That was rad.

Gwreck May 19 2010 06:25 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

First Mets TP since 2002 vs. the Padres.

Kong76 May 19 2010 06:30 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Missed it. Missed the replay. Story of my life.

Nymr83 May 19 2010 06:32 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

metirish May 19 2010 06:39 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Nymr83"]TRIPLE PLAY!!! terrible job by the umps not making a more emphatic call, the baserunners had no idea what was up there.

I missed it live, saw the replays but I'm not understanding how that triple play occured. When Pagan threw the ball in to the infield the players at second and first were on the bases.

It was the tyipicsl triple play was it?

Nymr83 May 19 2010 06:41 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

missed it live, saw the replays but I'm not understanding how that triple play occured. When Pagan threw the ball in to the infield the players at second and first were on the bases. those runners were the batter (at 1st) and the runner on 1st (at 2nd) sac fly with bases loaded for francoeur, Tatis needs to do something here so we dont come away with just one run

Kong76 May 19 2010 06:45 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

I missed an inside the park HR too? I need to pay more attention.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 07:11 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

And I decided to stay home. Of course I would have blown my voice out screaming, "Hey, Jerry, you went to the pen too early!" and "Pinch-hitting for a pitcher who is pitching well only to bunt is unforgiveable!" But that would wreck my karaoke career.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 19 2010 07:12 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Here we go again. On the road, waste a leadoff single, pinch hit a guy and ask him to make an out on purpose, setting up a struggling guy and one after him that even with a hit might not score the guy from 2nd, get your bullpen working as if this all came as a shock to you, then call on the guy who's been in 70% of all your games to get two outs with a guy on third. The Jerry Plan.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 19 2010 07:13 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Good on Jerry for sniffing out the squeeze though.

Nymr83 May 19 2010 07:14 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

PEREZ warming in the pen, is Jerry throwing in the towel in a tie game?

Edgy DC May 19 2010 07:15 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]Here we go again. On the road, waste a leadoff single, pinch hit a guy and ask him to make an out on purpose, setting up a struggling guy and one after him that even with a hit might not score the guy from 2nd, get your bullpen working as if this all came as a shock to you, then call on the guy who's been in 70% of all your games to get two outs with a guy on third. The Jerry Plan.

I knew there was a plan.

Kong76 May 19 2010 07:16 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

So the pitch out wasn't pitched out enough and the run eventually scores. If that's that, how many more ways can they find to lose?

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 19 2010 07:20 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Go Jerry Go

Nymr83 May 19 2010 07:21 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Guzman triples... 4-2 bad guys it might be [crossout:2sft86sf]garbage[/crossout:2sft86sf] ollie time for Jerry soon

Kong76 May 19 2010 07:22 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Are the pages here longer now? Used to be the 40th post would have started page three.

Kong76 May 19 2010 07:25 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Ollie in relief!

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 19 2010 07:28 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Kong76":3mhmnlhs] If that's that, how many more ways can they find to lose?[/quote:3mhmnlhs] They pretty much lose the same way every night. They make too many outs on purpose, and ask too much of the bullpen.

Nymr83 May 19 2010 07:29 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

a walk and a liner right at Castillo to start Perez's relief career.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 07:30 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

I hate every jerkweed on the street thinking he can run a team. Every other manager --- Randolph and Howe included --- I've been certain had a few things figured out that I have no clue about. Jerry, though... baby.....

Zvon May 19 2010 07:31 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

An inside the park homer and a triple play in the same game? ..isn't that special.

Kong76 May 19 2010 07:31 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

I meant (if they lost that way) it was because it was a pitch out that should have been thrown another foot outside and that was kinda a 'new' way in last couple of seasons of losing is all.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 07:39 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Kong76":2liedvqd]Are the pages here longer now? Used to be the 40th post would have started page three.[/quote:2liedvqd] I just checked under the hood, and somebody had set it at 30. I set it back to 20, but we still don't have a page three.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 07:41 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

I just can't crack down on Omar as much as Jerry. Omar gift-wrapped him a pitcher capable of winning the game and Jerry insisted on giving the game away.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 07:47 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Ka-suck that, Capps.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2010 07:47 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals Edited 2 time(s), most recently on May 19 2010 07:51 PM

[quote="Edgy DC":2vsqt33f]I hate every jerkweed on the street thinking he can run a team. Every other manager --- Randolph and Howe included --- I've been certain had a few things figured out that I have no clue about. Jerry, though... baby.....[/quote:2vsqt33f] Oh c'mon. Jerry didn't do any of this crap in 2008. Willie Small Balls did it throughout his entire tenure, but had Beltran and Delgado and Wright and Reyes playing like MVP's to cover his dumb sorry ass. OE: If Willie Randolph had this team, the Mets would be 10 games out. O Double E: Jerry's got no Delgado, no Beltran, Reyes sucks this year and Citi Field Wright ain't no Shea Stadium Wright.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 07:50 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

David Wright should have been up with two out in the ninth, not Barajas. Come on and what?

Kong76 May 19 2010 07:50 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

@batmags - would you like me to change your avatar? You didn't answer in the other thread.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2010 07:51 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Kong76":3mo272h9]@batmags - would you like me to change your avatar? You didn't answer in the other thread.[/quote:3mo272h9] Yes I did.

Kong76 May 19 2010 07:53 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Five minutes ago, didn't see it.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2010 07:56 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="batmagadanleadoff":bt71h4xf][quote="Edgy DC":bt71h4xf]I hate every jerkweed on the street thinking he can run a team. Every other manager --- Randolph and Howe included --- I've been certain had a few things figured out that I have no clue about. Jerry, though... baby.....[/quote:bt71h4xf] Oh c'mon. Jerry didn't do any of this crap in 2008. Willie Small Balls did it throughout his entire tenure, but had Beltran and Delgado and Wright and Reyes playing like MVP's to cover his dumb sorry ass. OE: If Willie Randolph had this team, the Mets would be 10 games out. O Double E: Jerry's got no Delgado, no Beltran, Reyes sucks this year and Citi Field Wright ain't no Shea Stadium Wright.[/quote:bt71h4xf] And Jason Bay, who as of the end of last season was one of baseball's 10 best home run hitters by any reasonably intelligent measure, is on pace to hit less than five homers in 2010. Willie never had it so bad.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 08:04 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

And at least some of that has to be on him. I think more than a bit. It's already been demonstrated that --- despite you're insistence to the contrarary --- we're bunting more than Willie's Mets ever did. I think that speaks of the manager's failures more than the players'. Sorry, nothing personal, but I think he's been highly counterproductive for the team, and an inability to learn from Randolph's mistakes is as frustrating as the inability to learn from his own.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2010 08:06 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Edgy DC":12ih65x7]And at least some of that has to be on him. I think more than a bit. It's already been demonstrated that --- despite you're insistence to the contrarary --- we're bunting more than Willie's Mets ever did. I think that speaks of the manager's failures more than the players'.[/quote:12ih65x7] I'm not defending Jerry's bunting. You're preaching to the choir if you're critical of this season's sac bunt tendencies.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2010 08:17 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Edgy DC":3v9yrlmm]Sorry, nothing personal, but I think [Jerry's] been highly counterproductive for the team, and an inability to learn from Randolph's mistakes is as frustrating as the inability to learn from his own.[/quote:3v9yrlmm] Willie was counterproductive and because Willie had better teams, the consequences were harsher. One can argue that Willie managed playoff teams right out of contention. I'm no fan of Jerry's absurd 2010 moves, but this current Mets roster isn't going anywhere. Not when Maine and Perez are there to more than undo whatever progress Pelfrey made. Not with a third outfield platoon of Francoeur and GMJ. Not with Bay on pace to hit 4 HR's and not unless Reyes picks it up considerably. Beltran returning and playing like an All-Star wouldn't hurt. This team is a shell of the team's Willie Small Balls had.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 08:30 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

And one can argue that Manuel has managed playoff teams out of contention, because he certainly did in 2008.. I'm still not sure why he's supposed to get slack for players getting worse on his watch. He certainly gets credit for Delgado getting better. This is one of the ways managers are historically judged --- who played better under him and who played worse. Each case is hard to make individually, but conclusions can be drawn from the net. History does that. And his bunting and bullpen abuse were certainly not born in 2010.

Rockin' Doc May 19 2010 08:31 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

To learn from one's mistakes and to adapt in order to avoid making the same mistakes repeatedly is a sign of intelligence. Jerry is either extremely stubborn or simply not very smart, because he keeps trying the same failed stategies game after game. No matter how many times they blow up in his face and fail again, he seldom tries a different tact. He just seems incapable of trying a strategy other than the "Jerry Plan" outlined by JCL earlier in the thread.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2010 08:46 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Edgy DC":2sab9o51]And one can argue that Manuel has managed playoff teams out of contention, because he certainly did in 2008...[/quote:2sab9o51] When Jerry took over in 2008, the Mets were in 4th place, 6 and a half games out of first. They were the best team in the NL over the rest of the season. Jerry eradicated Willie's dumb sac bunts that season -- specifically the Willie Randolph special sac bunt in the 1st inning of a game with the #2 hitter. I'm not defending his recent dumb moves. But Jerry's been doing for five weeks what Randolph was doing for three and a half years.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 08:50 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

That's completely untrue. As has been demonstrated --- and repeated --- he's been bunting all along. He's been abusing his bullpen un-neccessarily all along.

batmagadanleadoff May 19 2010 08:54 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Edgy DC":2cjfp261]That's completely untrue. As has been demonstrated --- and repeated --- he's been bunting all along. He's been abusing his bullpen un-neccessarily all along.[/quote:2cjfp261] Manuel rarely bunted in '08. And I can't remember one first inning sac bunt from Jerry in 2008. OE. Manuel's Mets post the best NL record in 2008. And you blame Manuel for the Mets failure to make the playoffs?

Edgy DC May 19 2010 09:07 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

First of all, I entered into this talking about now. His performance now. Second of all, the team collapsed down the stretch with broken-down bullpens twice --- once in 2007 and once in 2008. I blame nobody and everybody for their general failure to make the playoffs. The bullpen collapse, though, I place on the manager's misuse. Lastly, it's silly to pretend the bunting is new. It's not. Willie, though already christened by Vic Sage with his nickname, wasn't a big bunter in 2005 either. The totals are telling. Yes, the team is struggling to score. You can't and won't ever be able to bunt a team out of a batting slump.

Edgy DC May 19 2010 09:15 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

And yeah, I understand not wanting first-inning bunts. But I'm currently frustrated by [list:2hgpqjfg][*:2hgpqjfg]failed bunts[/*:m:2hgpqjfg] [*:2hgpqjfg]pinch-hit bunts[/*:m:2hgpqjfg] [*:2hgpqjfg]number-three hitter bunts[/*:m:2hgpqjfg] [*:2hgpqjfg]bullpen abuse[/*:m:2hgpqjfg][/list:u:2hgpqjfg]

Nymr83 May 19 2010 10:47 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

I'm not buying that the Mets would be screwed with or without Jerry. The Mets are 5-10 in one run ball games, so a few bounces (or better managerial decisions) have them 22-18 instead of 19-21, its not over yet, but it will be if the Mets keep bunting and pitching Nieve/Feliciano every day

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2010 05:07 AM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

I'm convinced finally Jerry has to go. It's not only that his strategies are counterproductive and passive it's that their constant employment seems to have created an environment where nobody can be trusted to get an out or drive in a run on their own. We are losing 3 of every 4 on the road, goodbye.

Ashie62 May 20 2010 06:53 AM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":sr4w12re]I'm convinced finally Jerry has to go. It's not only that his strategies are counterproductive and passive it's that their constant employment seems to have created an environment where nobody can be trusted to get an out or drive in a run on their own. We are losing 3 of every 4 on the road, goodbye.[/quote:sr4w12re] I could not agree more

bmfc1 May 20 2010 08:31 AM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

I was at this game and the triple play came and went without mention on the scoreboard. We were never shown a replay or given the scoring. In the 9th inning highlight package, which included plays by the Mets, the triple play wasn't included.

G-Fafif May 20 2010 08:34 AM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="bmfc1":h1qiuea8]I was at this game and the triple play came and went without mention on the scoreboard. We were never shown a replay or given the scoring. In the 9th inning highlight package, which included plays by the Mets, the triple play wasn't included.[/quote:h1qiuea8] Glad to know Dana Perino was able to stick around Washington and get a job that suits her unique talents for interpreting events.

Centerfield May 20 2010 12:37 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Just to clarify here, there was a collapse in 2007. There was no collapse in 2008. In 2008, the Mets lost a tightly fought pennant race. Happens all the time.

Benjamin Grimm May 20 2010 12:48 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

What CF said.

Edgy DC May 20 2010 12:53 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Yes, indeed, but I was speaking specifically about the bullpen.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2010 12:54 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

[quote="Centerfield":wb47bbyh]Just to clarify here, there was a collapse in 2007. There was no collapse in 2008. In 2008, the Mets lost a tightly fought pennant race. Happens all the time.[/quote:wb47bbyh] Well, they played like shit when they had a chance to put it away.

G-Fafif May 20 2010 01:08 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

I've used Collapse II and Echo Collapse as the shorthand for September 2008, but as it was beginning, the word that seemed most appropriate was deflation. They were deflating from 40-19 to 7-10. They were never as good as they looked when they won (quick! call McCarver!) and maybe it was just a matter of time before they stumbled. Being without Tatis, Easley, Wagner and Maine stretched their roster issues, even in September, and with stretching, the air came out of the balloon (if that metaphor makes any sense). In retrospect, one can rationalize away the hard-fought losses (when I think hard fought pennant race loss, I think the 1-0 CG defeat Matlack absorbed the final Sunday of '73 when there was a nightcap and a Monday makeup twinbill still on tap), but there weren't that many of them. There was just a lot of not showing up. In the final week, Monday night against the Cubs and Friday night against the Marlins were total no-shows. Save for one big swing on Wednesday against the Cubs, they did nothing. And the final Sunday at Shea sticking in their throat speaks for itself. Win two of those games, the Mets are the 2008 Wild Card. The lifelessness of that team toward and at the end is what leaves a bad aftertaste that makes one (me, anyway) dismiss the 40-19 ride into first place as the aberration.

Edgy DC May 20 2010 02:29 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2010/05/2 ... verything/

A Boy Named Seo May 20 2010 02:47 PM Re: IGT 05/19/2010 Dickey Debuts in DC; Mets vs. Nationals

Funny. Loved "just go out there and win if you can, but if you can't, don't worry about it."