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Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?
metirish May 12 2010 07:08 AM |
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Wilpon, Wang talk about moving Islanders to Queens
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Frayed Knot May 12 2010 07:18 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
I don't know that Queens would be a great place for hockey but Nassau County and its tangled and often corrupt politics has fucked the Islanders over for years by delaying potential projects or tying them up in a myriad of red tape and insider bullshit. It would serve them right if someone did come by and steal them away or, at the very least, this could light a fire under their asses.
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soupcan May 12 2010 07:21 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
I think that's great news for Islanders fans and the Willets Point area, but don't the Islanders have some ridiculous lease agreement with the Coliseum?
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MFS62 May 12 2010 07:24 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 12 2010 07:26 AM |
Since it will be at least two years to build a new arena for the Isles, why not wait for the new Brooklyn arena?
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Ceetar May 12 2010 07:24 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
They could probably swing MLS too, but i have no interest in that, so whatever.
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soupcan May 12 2010 07:25 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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MLS is outside. Build it in the Iron Triangle - right next to Citi.
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MFS62 May 12 2010 07:31 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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Guessing that the legal hassles to move out the current owners and tennants would last about as long as it did to do the same in Brooklyn (it seemed to last longer than the Punic Wars), by that time, the Brooklyn arena will be completed. Why bother? I'm against this because it would be a drain on Wilpon money. The next minute, I'm wildly in favor of this, because it might keep Jeff's attention away from the Mets. I'm torn. Help. Later
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Ceetar May 12 2010 07:35 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
The process is already in progress with the iron triangle. A bunch of owners have already sold, although I don't know the particulars towards real progress and bulldozing. I did notice a new little stand selling mets stuff there yesterday.
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metirish May 12 2010 07:37 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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Me too, I have always thought Queens would be perfect for soccer. A good size (20,000) soccer only stadium would be great business. It would be cool too to have a local rival to the Red Bulls.
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soupcan May 12 2010 07:42 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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Old news - that's not an issue anymore. The City has taken control of the vast majority of the land there and the biggest companies there have already relocated or have agreed to. The projects to built there are no longer a matter of 'if' but 'when'. An arena there would be a great complement to Citi Field. With the baseball stadium and a hockey/hoops arena combined with the tennis center, you'd have year-round activity and a valid reason to build hotels, apartments and restaurants out there. It's a great idea.
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Ceetar May 12 2010 07:49 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
A convention center (and a school) are in the plans for that area I believe. Arenas often go hand and hand with convention centers it seems.
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Frayed Knot May 12 2010 07:59 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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The biggest snag with the Islanders wasn't the lease with the Coliseum but with the mgmt company that's paid to run the arena, parking, concessions, etc. That was a deal signed during a period of absentee ownership which gives the team gets a ridiculously small pct of all of the above and that agreement runs for about a billion years. Only the presence of a real good cable TV contract has kept the Islanders afloat all these years - and even that's not nearly as (comparatively) good as it used to be.
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soupcan May 12 2010 08:12 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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I knew it was something like that. I think that agreement has killed the team's chance to move once already (Kansas City).
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Edgy DC May 12 2010 08:18 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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You go, Islanders! Trade in the corrupt Republicans of Nassau for the corrupt Democrats of Queens.
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MFS62 May 12 2010 08:26 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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They'd have to throw in a minor league bureaucrat to even out the deal. Later
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 12 2010 09:06 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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As opposed to the shining tradition of light and transparency and Monserrates and Seminerios in Queens. The grass may be brown in Nassau, but it's not considerably greener across the Cross Island.
Hmm. Hmmmmmmm...
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Frayed Knot May 12 2010 10:27 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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Agreed, but it would at least give the team the option of playing off one band of crooks against the other. When the Nassau Republicans were still in charge they essentially wouldn't let anything go through that they weren't going to take a sizable piece of. They no longer dominate the county gov't the way they used to but the leftover red tape and myriad of committees who all want their say are driving Wang to look outward. He's a LI guy who lives there, established a business there, owns tons of other real estate, and bought the Islanders mostly out of a sense of civic pride not because he's some hockey geek. IOW, it's not like he wants to leave the 'burbs but after butting his head against the wall for so long (while bleeding piles of money) he's got to at least consider other options.
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Ashie62 May 12 2010 01:28 PM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
Hockey & Soccer perfectly boring together
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 12 2010 01:47 PM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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"Well... that's just your wrong opinion, man." To an impartial observer, we live in a gigantic glass house on that count.
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Edgy DC May 12 2010 01:51 PM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
One thing that's worth obeserving is that the 'Pons --- pretty widely reported to be hurting the team while they operate in (1) selling mode, or (2) cost-control mode --- are now looking like they are looking to keep investing in their little empire.
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soupcan May 12 2010 02:07 PM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
Yes and no. I would venture to guess that its mostly about real estate and development deals. Just so happens that sports franchises dovetail nicely with that in that area right now.
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G-Fafif May 12 2010 02:15 PM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
Mets get Bay. Bay is cold. Wilpon thinks "cold Bay...frozen water...ice hockey!"
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Ceetar May 12 2010 02:33 PM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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rumors about Citi Field hosting the Winter Classic probably helped too.
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Ashie62 May 12 2010 03:21 PM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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Why bother, there hasn't been good ice hockey in NY in 15 years
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metirish May 12 2010 06:43 PM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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Game 7 in Pittsburgh against Montrael just exploded in to life with Pittsburgh fighting back from 4 down to score two, the third period should be a humdinger.
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Nymr83 May 12 2010 07:15 PM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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post censored to preserve the NY media "freddie coupon agenda". he lost his shirt to Madoff, remember?
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Ashie62 May 13 2010 05:55 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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You've got a great point. I flagged during the hockey strike. The loss is mine.
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Benjamin Grimm May 13 2010 06:21 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
I wonder if the Islanders would consider Brooklyn, and once again rooming with the Nets.
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Edgy DC May 13 2010 06:58 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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I hate when that happens.
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metirish May 13 2010 07:12 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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Actually the 3rd period was not a humdinger..... Montreal just ate them up....hoping they go all the way.
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Frayed Knot May 13 2010 07:27 AM Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens? |
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I'd tend to doubt it as Brooklyn is more than a bit removed from their "home base" of suburban LI. Moving there would almost certainly cause them to lose the majority of their current fan base and relegate them to an even more of a secondary status to the Rangers. At least now they've got a semi-autonomous territory of their own complete with a newspaper and other local media that treat them as news whereas I don't see the city papers or city people embracing them. Queens is a bit closer to home especially if a new arena is located near the Nassau border (near Belmont perhaps). Nowhere does it say that just because the Wilpons might get involved that the new joint has to be right next to Citi. A soccer joint in the middle of multi-ethnic Queens, on the other hand, would be a nice fit and, along with the Jersey-based Red Bulls, make for a good east-side/west-side of NYC choice for fans.
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