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metirish
May 12 2010 07:08 AM

Wilpon, Wang talk about moving Islanders to Queens


Jeff Wilpon, the Mets' chief operating officer, said Tuesday he has talked with Islanders owner Charles Wang about building an arena in Queens as a possible home for the hockey team.

Wilpon told Newsday in an exclusive interview that he has had recent discussions with Wang about relocating the team to a new Queens arena and also said that it remains a possibility that he could buy the team.

"I've had conversations with Charles," Wilpon said by phone Tuesday, "and we've talked about Queens. We'd like to be helpful and I think Queens is an option. We built Citi Field well under budget and on time. I have all my guys ready.


"We haven't really discussed ownership. It has been more of, 'Can we get something synergistic with Citi Field and a hockey arena, what can happen here?' "

Although the majority of their conversations have focused on building a new arena, Wilpon has not ruled out the possibility of owning the Islanders.

Wang has lost an average of $23 million a year since buying the team 10 years ago and is impatient with the pace of the proposed Lighthouse Project.

With the Town of Hempstead attempting to downsize Lighthouse development plans and Wang frustrated by the additional time and money it would cost to scale it back, the two sides have failed to come to an agreement. Still, Nassau officials say they would like the team to remain in the county.

"We are working hard to keep the Islanders in Nassau County," County Executive Edward Mangano said Tuesday.

A modified development plan is expected to be presented at some point this summer, Hempstead Town officials said.

In addition to the potential landing spots for the Islanders, there has been speculation that Wang, who did not return calls seeking comment, might turn to the National Hockey League for assistance and ask the league to take a controlling interest in the team.

"Totally and uncategorically untrue," NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly said in an e-mail to Newsday.

The Wilpon-Wang connection, however, sheds new light on the team's situation.

Wilpon said he has been in touch with Major League Soccer commissioner Don Garber about bringing a soccer facility to the area as well, although the likelihood of building both a hockey and soccer venue looks slim.

"We probably can't do both," Wilpon said. "We just need to look at what could be done, as diverse as it is."

"We've had numerous discussions with Charles [Wang] and with Don Garber about soccer as well. We've been in touch, talking to Charles about what can be done synergistically with all of his technological [assets]. He likes the market here and they have all been positive conversations with him."

While the dialogue between Wilpon and Wang is an encouraging sign to Islanders fans who would like to see the team stay in New York rather than relocating to Kansas City or a Canadian locale, nothing is imminent.

"We are certainly willing and able and happy to work with Mr. Wilpon, but we have not heard any concrete plan as of today of bringing the Islanders into Queens," Queens Borough President Helen Marshall said. "It has to be real."

Wilpon said in the interview he, Wang and Garber are talking.

"It wouldn't be fair to say we have made any verbal agreements or even a handshake agreement, but we're definitely in the exploratory phase with both of them," Wilpon said.

Randi Marshall contributed to this story

Frayed Knot
May 12 2010 07:18 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

I don't know that Queens would be a great place for hockey but Nassau County and its tangled and often corrupt politics has fucked the Islanders over for years by delaying potential projects or tying them up in a myriad of red tape and insider bullshit. It would serve them right if someone did come by and steal them away or, at the very least, this could light a fire under their asses.

I actually think an MLS team would be a better fit for the area.

soupcan
May 12 2010 07:21 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

I think that's great news for Islanders fans and the Willets Point area, but don't the Islanders have some ridiculous lease agreement with the Coliseum?

Am I wrong in thinking that a big reason that the Islanders are stuck in the situation that they are in is because they just cannot find a way out of that agreement with Nassau County?

MFS62
May 12 2010 07:24 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 12 2010 07:26 AM

Since it will be at least two years to build a new arena for the Isles, why not wait for the new Brooklyn arena?
Soccer, is that an indoor league? Or are they saying they'd build a specialized outdoor soccer place in Queens? Where? What does "in the area" mean?

Later

Ceetar
May 12 2010 07:24 AM
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They could probably swing MLS too, but i have no interest in that, so whatever.

I've heard the Queens rumor before, and I like it. It's still Long Island, and their massive project is a little bit farther through the red tape. (bulldozing redoing the Willets Point stuff) It'll be cool when that area's built up, and an Arena would be fun. Would certainly make Howie Rose's day easier when he occasionally has an Islanders and Mets game on the same day.

If the Wilpons are even able to talk about buying the Islanders, they must not be as broke as people think.

soupcan
May 12 2010 07:25 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

MFS62 wrote:
Since it will be at least two years to build a new arena for the Isles, why not wait for the new Brooklyn arena?
Soccer, is that an indoor league? Or are they saying they'd build a specialized outdoor soccer place? In Queens? Where?

Later


MLS is outside.

Build it in the Iron Triangle - right next to Citi.

MFS62
May 12 2010 07:31 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

soupcan wrote:
MLS is outside.

Build it in the Iron Triangle - right next to Citi.


Guessing that the legal hassles to move out the current owners and tennants would last about as long as it did to do the same in Brooklyn (it seemed to last longer than the Punic Wars), by that time, the Brooklyn arena will be completed. Why bother?

I'm against this because it would be a drain on Wilpon money.
The next minute, I'm wildly in favor of this, because it might keep Jeff's attention away from the Mets.
I'm torn.
Help.

Later

Ceetar
May 12 2010 07:35 AM
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The process is already in progress with the iron triangle. A bunch of owners have already sold, although I don't know the particulars towards real progress and bulldozing. I did notice a new little stand selling mets stuff there yesterday.

I just want to go to a day baseball game, have dinner at a bar somewhere there, and then watch the Islanders at night. Preferably with both the Mets and Islanders winning of course.

metirish
May 12 2010 07:37 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

Frayed Knot wrote:


I actually think an MLS team would be a better fit for the area.


Me too, I have always thought Queens would be perfect for soccer. A good size (20,000) soccer only stadium would be great business. It would be cool too to have a local rival to the Red Bulls.

soupcan
May 12 2010 07:42 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

MFS62 wrote:
soupcan wrote:
MLS is outside.

Build it in the Iron Triangle - right next to Citi.


Guessing that the legal hassles to move out the current owners and tennants would last about as long as it did to do the same in Brooklyn (it seemed to last longer than the Punic Wars), by that time, the Brooklyn arena will be completed. Why bother?


Old news - that's not an issue anymore. The City has taken control of the vast majority of the land there and the biggest companies there have already relocated or have agreed to. The projects to built there are no longer a matter of 'if' but 'when'.

An arena there would be a great complement to Citi Field. With the baseball stadium and a hockey/hoops arena combined with the tennis center, you'd have year-round activity and a valid reason to build hotels, apartments and restaurants out there. It's a great idea.

Ceetar
May 12 2010 07:49 AM
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A convention center (and a school) are in the plans for that area I believe. Arenas often go hand and hand with convention centers it seems.

Chances are this would make parking suck for Mets games though, but I'll live with it.

Frayed Knot
May 12 2010 07:59 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

soupcan wrote:
Am I wrong in thinking that a big reason that the Islanders are stuck in the situation that they are in is because they just cannot find a way out of that agreement with Nassau County?


The biggest snag with the Islanders wasn't the lease with the Coliseum but with the mgmt company that's paid to run the arena, parking, concessions, etc. That was a deal signed during a period of absentee ownership which gives the team gets a ridiculously small pct of all of the above and that agreement runs for about a billion years. Only the presence of a real good cable TV contract has kept the Islanders afloat all these years - and even that's not nearly as (comparatively) good as it used to be.

soupcan
May 12 2010 08:12 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

Frayed Knot wrote:
The biggest snag with the Islanders wasn't the lease with the Coliseum but with the mgmt company that's paid to run the arena, parking, concessions, etc. That was a deal signed during a period of absentee ownership which gives the team gets a ridiculously small pct of all of the above and that agreement runs for about a billion years. Only the presence of a real good cable TV contract has kept the Islanders afloat all these years - and even that's not nearly as (comparatively) good as it used to be.


I knew it was something like that. I think that agreement has killed the team's chance to move once already (Kansas City).

Edgy DC
May 12 2010 08:18 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

Frayed Knot wrote:
I don't know that Queens would be a great place for hockey but Nassau County and its tangled and often corrupt politics has fucked the Islanders over for years by delaying potential projects or tying them up in a myriad of red tape and insider bullshit.

You go, Islanders! Trade in the corrupt Republicans of Nassau for the corrupt Democrats of Queens.

MFS62
May 12 2010 08:26 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

Edgy DC wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
I don't know that Queens would be a great place for hockey but Nassau County and its tangled and often corrupt politics has fucked the Islanders over for years by delaying potential projects or tying them up in a myriad of red tape and insider bullshit.

You go, Islanders! Trade in the corrupt Republicans of Nassau for the corrupt Democrats of Queens.

They'd have to throw in a minor league bureaucrat to even out the deal.

Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 12 2010 09:06 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

Frayed Knot wrote:
I don't know that Queens would be a great place for hockey but Nassau County and its tangled and often corrupt politics has fucked the Islanders over for years by delaying potential projects or tying them up in a myriad of red tape and insider bullshit.


As opposed to the shining tradition of light and transparency and Monserrates and Seminerios in Queens.

The grass may be brown in Nassau, but it's not considerably greener across the Cross Island.

Frayed Knot wrote:
I actually think an MLS team would be a better fit for the area.


Hmm. Hmmmmmmm...

Frayed Knot
May 12 2010 10:27 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
I don't know that Queens would be a great place for hockey but Nassau County and its tangled and often corrupt politics has fucked the Islanders over for years by delaying potential projects or tying them up in a myriad of red tape and insider bullshit.


As opposed to the shining tradition of light and transparency and Monserrates and Seminerios in Queens.

The grass may be brown in Nassau, but it's not considerably greener across the Cross Island.


Agreed, but it would at least give the team the option of playing off one band of crooks against the other.

When the Nassau Republicans were still in charge they essentially wouldn't let anything go through that they weren't going to take a sizable piece of. They no longer dominate the county gov't the way they used to but the leftover red tape and myriad of committees who all want their say are driving Wang to look outward. He's a LI guy who lives there, established a business there, owns tons of other real estate, and bought the Islanders mostly out of a sense of civic pride not because he's some hockey geek. IOW, it's not like he wants to leave the 'burbs but after butting his head against the wall for so long (while bleeding piles of money) he's got to at least consider other options.

Ashie62
May 12 2010 01:28 PM
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Hockey & Soccer perfectly boring together

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 12 2010 01:47 PM
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Ashie62 wrote:
Hockey & Soccer perfectly boring together


"Well... that's just your wrong opinion, man."



To an impartial observer, we live in a gigantic glass house on that count.

Edgy DC
May 12 2010 01:51 PM
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One thing that's worth obeserving is that the 'Pons --- pretty widely reported to be hurting the team while they operate in (1) selling mode, or (2) cost-control mode --- are now looking like they are looking to keep investing in their little empire.

soupcan
May 12 2010 02:07 PM
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Yes and no. I would venture to guess that its mostly about real estate and development deals. Just so happens that sports franchises dovetail nicely with that in that area right now.

G-Fafif
May 12 2010 02:15 PM
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Mets get Bay. Bay is cold. Wilpon thinks "cold Bay...frozen water...ice hockey!"

I wouldn't rule it out.

Ceetar
May 12 2010 02:33 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Mets get Bay. Bay is cold. Wilpon thinks "cold Bay...frozen water...ice hockey!"

I wouldn't rule it out.



rumors about Citi Field hosting the Winter Classic probably helped too.

Ashie62
May 12 2010 03:21 PM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

Ceetar wrote:
G-Fafif wrote:
Mets get Bay. Bay is cold. Wilpon thinks "cold Bay...frozen water...ice hockey!"

I wouldn't rule it out.



rumors about Citi Field hosting the Winter Classic probably helped too.


Why bother, there hasn't been good ice hockey in NY in 15 years

metirish
May 12 2010 06:43 PM
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Ashie62 wrote:
Hockey & Soccer perfectly boring together




Game 7 in Pittsburgh against Montrael just exploded in to life with Pittsburgh fighting back from 4 down to score two, the third period should be a humdinger.

Nymr83
May 12 2010 07:15 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
[crossout]One thing that's worth obeserving is that the 'Pons --- pretty widely reported to be hurting the team while they operate in (1) selling mode, or (2) cost-control mode --- are now looking like they are looking to keep investing in their little empire[/crossout].


post censored to preserve the NY media "freddie coupon agenda". he lost his shirt to Madoff, remember?

Ashie62
May 13 2010 05:55 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

metirish wrote:
Ashie62 wrote:
Hockey & Soccer perfectly boring together




Game 7 in Pittsburgh against Montrael just exploded in to life with Pittsburgh fighting back from 4 down to score two, the third period should be a humdinger.


You've got a great point. I flagged during the hockey strike. The loss is mine.

Benjamin Grimm
May 13 2010 06:21 AM
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I wonder if the Islanders would consider Brooklyn, and once again rooming with the Nets.

Edgy DC
May 13 2010 06:58 AM
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Nymr83 wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
[crossout]One thing that's worth obeserving is that the 'Pons --- pretty widely reported to be hurting the team while they operate in (1) selling mode, or (2) cost-control mode --- are now looking like they are looking to keep investing in their little empire[/crossout].


post censored to preserve the NY media "freddie coupon agenda". he lost his shirt to Madoff, remember?

I hate when that happens.

metirish
May 13 2010 07:12 AM
Re: Jeff Wilpon To Bring Islanders & MLS to Queens?

Ashie62 wrote:
Ashie62 wrote:
Hockey & Soccer perfectly boring together




Game 7 in Pittsburgh against Montrael just exploded in to life with Pittsburgh fighting back from 4 down to score two, the third period should be a humdinger.


You've got a great point. I flagged during the hockey strike. The loss is mine.



Actually the 3rd period was not a humdinger..... Montreal just ate them up....hoping they go all the way.

Frayed Knot
May 13 2010 07:27 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I wonder if the Islanders would consider Brooklyn, and once again rooming with the Nets.


I'd tend to doubt it as Brooklyn is more than a bit removed from their "home base" of suburban LI.
Moving there would almost certainly cause them to lose the majority of their current fan base and relegate them to an even more of a secondary status to the Rangers. At least now they've got a semi-autonomous territory of their own complete with a newspaper and other local media that treat them as news whereas I don't see the city papers or city people embracing them. Queens is a bit closer to home especially if a new arena is located near the Nassau border (near Belmont perhaps). Nowhere does it say that just because the Wilpons might get involved that the new joint has to be right next to Citi.

A soccer joint in the middle of multi-ethnic Queens, on the other hand, would be a nice fit and, along with the Jersey-based Red Bulls, make for a good east-side/west-side of NYC choice for fans.