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Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation
Benjamin Grimm May 15 2010 06:16 AM |
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Rockin' Doc May 15 2010 06:34 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
I'm all for removing Prez from the rotation. Moving him to the bullpen really doesn't seem like a good idea to me. He really should be shipped out to Buffalo where he can't hurt the Mets anymore and hopefully he can regain some form so he can be useful to the Mets in the future. Unfortunately, Perez would need to agree to a demotion for such a move to take place. If he truly wants to try to help both himself and his team, he should agree to a stint with the Bisons. He needs to improve his arm strength and improve his control if he is to become a contributor to the Mets going forward. He needs to work on those things somewhere other than in New York.
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metirish May 15 2010 06:40 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
I can't think of a worse candidate for the bullpen...Buffalo for you Ollie.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 15 2010 06:43 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
If someone sees fit to claim him when they DFA him, hell, go right ahead and have some, hypothetical stranger. No, we're not finishing that.
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Frayed Knot May 15 2010 06:47 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
"In all likelihood, they’ll move Perez to the bullpen, since they can’t send him to the minors without his consent."
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Ashie62 May 15 2010 07:26 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Ya gotta keep Takahashi in the Pen.
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Edgy DC May 15 2010 07:49 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
If you have a 12-man staff, and you can't afford to switch your mopup man with an ineffective starter, you're not running things right.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 15 2010 08:17 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
And if he's one of the five or six best you've got, and he can start, then by all means let him start. If I thought Frankie were capable of being and willing to be an effective starter, I'd argue for slotting him in there, too (especially over the very limited way in which he's being used now).
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Swan Swan H May 15 2010 10:18 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Unless he's spreading the Miracle-Gro on Piggie's tomatoes Perez has no use in the bullpen. If he doesn't give permission to go down, DFA his sorry ass (or is that D his sorry ass FA?) and release him.
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Benjamin Grimm May 15 2010 10:42 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
What happens if Perez refuses demotion? Does he just stay on the big league roster? Or does he become a free agent? Buffalo is clearly the place for him. As said above, there's really no role for him in the pen. I understand that the Mets would be reluctant to release him with so much money still owed, but I don't think he'll be able to get his act together as a mop-up guy. It would be in Perez's own best interest to join the Buffalo rotation and, possibly, work his way back to the big leagues.
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smg58 May 15 2010 10:44 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
I guess Plan A is to send him down and see if he can work through this, if he's willing. Obviously nobody would claim him -- that would mean taking on his contract. He has the right to refuse a demotion, though, and if it came to that we might as well give him a shot as a LOOGY. Lefties are hitting .182 against him this year and only hit .200 against him last year, so why not? The alternative would be releasing him and guaranteeing zero return for the rest of our investment in him, which we could still do in a few weeks if the pen and Ollie don't mix.
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MFS62 May 15 2010 11:29 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
The fact that they are saying they can't send him down without his consent means to me that he had an option left, but also has enough major league time so he'd have to agree to it.
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OlerudOwned May 15 2010 12:29 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Wasn't Trachsel hanging around the clubhouse with the team before one of the games last week? Maybe he can convince Ollie to accept a minor league assignment.
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MFS62 May 15 2010 12:33 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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Great idea. He could tell Ollie how much it helped him. (And it certainly did.) Later
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Ashie62 May 15 2010 01:06 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
It was suggested by Darling that Ollie could benefit by reinventing himself in the minors with young pitching coach Ricky Bones
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metirish May 15 2010 02:57 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Ollie to the bullpen is official.....when asked to comment he said that Takahashi is pitching betteer than him......Mets have not named anyone to replace him.
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metirish May 15 2010 03:22 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Via Lennon,
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Swan Swan H May 15 2010 03:56 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Cut him. Release him. Tell Chris Carter that he can start if Perez 'disappears.' Get him the fuck out of our sight.
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metirish May 15 2010 04:26 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
What Swanie said.
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A Boy Named Seo May 15 2010 05:39 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Wood chippers? Jeez, lighten up, fellas.
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Kong76 May 15 2010 05:40 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Tough crowd.
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Edgy DC May 15 2010 06:03 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Yeah, come on.
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Gwreck May 15 2010 06:05 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Omar and Jerry need to take him into an office and advise him that his options are:
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Chad Ochoseis May 15 2010 06:07 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
I'd like to think that Scott Boras is having that conversation with Ollie sometime soon, even if Omar and Jerry aren't.
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Edgy DC May 15 2010 06:21 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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Nor is it true that his current role is such a crucial one. In fact, if Takahashi improves on Perez's performance, the demand on the bullpen (particularly on the back end, where Tak was serving) goes down. I certainly don't think it's true that a bullpen assignment necessarily means the effective end of his career.
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Gwreck May 15 2010 06:24 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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Nobody suggested that. My idea was that if Oliver ties the Mets' hands, they should respond by relegating him to the darkest corner of the bullpen and using him so infrequently that he becomes marginalized as a player.
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Edgy DC May 15 2010 07:19 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
You're not suggesting that a bullpen assignment necessarily means the end of his career, but rather that it should be used to effect that? Is that the distinction?
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Rockin' Doc May 15 2010 07:28 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Edgy -"I certainly don't think it's true that a bullpen assignment necessarily means the effective end of his career."
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Edgy DC May 15 2010 07:29 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Well, we're not really there at this time.
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Benjamin Grimm May 15 2010 07:58 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Maybe they'll soon be having a similar conversation with John Maine?
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Gwreck May 15 2010 08:06 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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I think the distinction is that the bullpen assignment, and the way he is used in said assignment could mean the effective end of his career.
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Swan Swan H May 15 2010 09:58 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Why would you want this guy in the bullpen? Why would you want him on your team? He is being asked to help the team by going to the minors to work on his game, and he is telling the Mets to fuck off. Should he go to the minors he will continue to make $32,876 a day while he's down there, and maybe have time to figure out why he has become one of the worst starting pitchers in baseball. But no, he has no interest in doing so.
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Nymr83 May 15 2010 10:20 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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I don't want him in the pen, but I don't want him thinking that refusing an assignment to try and work out his problems will get him either a) a release with all the money owed to him for doing nothing or b) a continued meaningful role on the mets. bury him in the back of the pen, so deep that only in extra innings with everyone else gone would we use him. when he doesnt play for 3 weeks, see how he feels about Buffalo. I wonder how big he and his agent think his next contract will be if he barely pitches again for the Mets? oh and is there anything in his contract (or the CBA) against running suicides? make him run lots of suicides.
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A Boy Named Seo May 15 2010 11:11 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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Could be wrong, but didn't I read the Mets haven't even asked him to go down? If that's the case, why be all over his ass for it not doing what he hasn't been asked to do?
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Swan Swan H May 16 2010 04:42 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
From Newsday:
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Edgy DC May 16 2010 05:41 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Which doesn't mean the Mets have asked him yet.
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Rockin' Doc May 16 2010 06:24 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
From what is in the media, it appears that the Mets have not asked Perez to accept a mionor league assignment, however according to the Newsday quote cited by 2SwanH, Perez has already made his intentions known. He has apparently issued a preemptive no and stated that he thinks he needs to work out his problems in New York with the Mets. To me, and apparently some others in the CPF, his response shows an unwillingness to do whatever is aked of him in an attempt to work out his problems so he can hopefully become a helpful contributor, rather than a liability to the team.
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Swan Swan H May 16 2010 06:44 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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Oh yeah? Prove he didn't. Back to reality, you are correct, it doesn't mean they have asked. Why ask when the question has already been answered? Why so vindictive? Perez is holding the Mets hostage. He is forcing a team that is fighting a losing battle to stay in the playoff race, in no small part because of his hideous performance, to effectively play a man short. He keeps a guy who could help the Mets wearing a Bisons jersey. He forces Nieve, Mejia and Feliciano to pitch the innings that Takahasi would have; alternately, he forces a bench guy off the team so the bullpen can be loaded with 8 players, since one is a walking corpse. Does he think that he's going to the pen to be the eighth inning guy? He's going to Siberia. Does he think he's going to work on his troubles in game situations? Blowout games, if that, and maybe not even that. Does he think he's better or different or somehow more privileged than the hundreds of players who had established major league careers of some regard, had difficulty of one kind or another, and went to the minor leagues to right their personal ship? Apparently he does. There is no dishonor in playing the game and failing. When you are in the position where you can help your team by accepting a role other than what you want your role to be, and you say you "have no interest" in doing so, that is dishonorable. The Mets made Oliver Perez a very rich man when no other team would. He is repaying them by spitting in their face. Some may delight in Omar getting his comeuppance here. He made the bad signing, and now he is wearing it like an albatross. Fine, I don't disagree that giving this guy all that money has created a monster. It was a marginal call when he made it, and it has blown up in his face. I care more about the way this will affect the roster, and the team, and the slim chance that they will remain competitive for the rest of this season. Manuel didn't sign Perez, but he's stuck with him, and the way he burns his relievers one of them may spontaneously combust if he's down to Frankie +5 instead of +6.
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Swan Swan H May 16 2010 07:20 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
From Metsblog:
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metirish May 16 2010 07:43 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
I've been a huge supporter of Ollie...we have a shared heritage after all......I don't really see a scenario where he trots in from the bullpen except in garbage time.....so maybe he is left to rot out there which doesn't' help him at all.
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Ashie62 May 16 2010 08:18 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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Everytime Ollie takes the hill my shared latino pride swells along with his E.R.A.
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metirish May 16 2010 08:36 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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LOL...
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batmagadanleadoff May 16 2010 09:18 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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I'm with Swannie. In this era of pitch counts and the vanishing complete game, no team can afford to carry a pitcher who'd be limited to garbage time appearances. And even if this were not true (which it is) Perez should do whatever the team asks. Personally, I don't see the debate here. Ollie's being a selfish fuck, compromising his team's ability to contend for the sake of his own ego.
Ollie's Irish?
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Ashie62 May 16 2010 09:34 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
I am and can vouch for Ollie's Irish American heritage
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metirish May 16 2010 10:06 AM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
I'm sure he marched in the parade one year , he may have gotten the flags mixed up but still.
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Swan Swan H May 16 2010 12:12 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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If he marched on St. Patrick's Day, if nothing else it proves he's not gay.
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MFS62 May 16 2010 12:14 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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I'm guessing that won't be the last thing folks say about him as long as he's with the Mets. Later
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Ashie62 May 16 2010 12:20 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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not that there's anything wrong with it
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seawolf17 May 16 2010 12:55 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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No, Irish. It's O. Perez, not O'Perez.
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Kong76 May 16 2010 01:28 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Don't look now, but the Mets have the tying run at the plate
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Kong76 May 16 2010 01:29 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Which to me is why the "lead off" hitter mayhem is bullshit. It
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Kong76 May 16 2010 01:31 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Matthews, Reyes, Cora and it's 7-6.
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Kong76 May 16 2010 01:34 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Posting in the wrong thread, can't move it 'cause it's too funny.
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Swan Swan H May 16 2010 01:39 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
It's like a parallel universe.
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Benjamin Grimm May 16 2010 02:21 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
What the CPF was saying when the Mets re-signed Perez
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MFS62 May 16 2010 03:15 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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Looking back at that thread, I guess we're now glad there was no 4th year. Later
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Frayed Knot May 16 2010 03:53 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
Sometimes these situation of players agreeing to go to the minors even though they can refuse is a matter of negotiation. The player saying right of the top that he's not going isn't surprising as that's what they all say at first.
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MFS62 May 16 2010 04:32 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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I wonder how much Ollie (or his agent) paid the Miami groundskeepers. Later
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G-Fafif May 16 2010 05:28 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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Doesn't seem like he or his teammates will be marching in a ticker-tape parade any time soon.
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Nymr83 May 16 2010 05:36 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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the mets can DL Niese and call up Gee/Dickey/Misch to make perez's next start and then let takahashi make niese's start after which they can use the offday monday to skip a starter for a few more days and see where they are
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Edgy DC May 16 2010 06:12 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
I'd be nice to the guy if I were youse.
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Benjamin Grimm May 16 2010 06:23 PM Re: Mets appear ready to yank Perez from starting rotation |
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