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Edgy DC May 17 2010 09:43 AM

I'm picking up way too much buzz out there, not just about letting Jerry go, but about advocating for Larry Bowa. Grass-is-greener is one thing, but this is grass we've seen plenty of, and it's very crabby grass. I see the appeal, but I'd still rank him behind Gary Carter in my list of preferred candidates, and that's saying something. I'd probably rank him behind Bud Harrelson. Didn't he do enough damage in 1985?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 17 2010 09:46 AM Re: Really? Edited 2 time(s), most recently on May 17 2010 09:49 AM

Wait, WHAT? Oh, GOD, no. If anything, Bowa's best-- it seems-- with underperforming young players. I'm not sure that there's anyone on our current roster-- Reyes, maybe?-- his Pinella-lite act benefits here. I AM pretty sure he'd strangle Pagan within a few months.

metirish May 17 2010 09:47 AM Re: Really?

It's always that way right ?, try and hire the opposite of what you have . Howe for Valentine, Randolph for him....Bowa would provide a quick spurt of energy probably, wouldn't be my choice .

Edgy DC May 17 2010 09:51 AM Re: Really?

Yeah, well, that would be just acting on self-loathing. I think history shows that misanthropic maniac Billy Martin was as good as any manager in history (such as Davey Johnson) for a first-year turnaround, but a complete burden after that.

TransMonk May 17 2010 10:39 AM Re: Really?

I'd take the rest of the year off.

Rockin' Doc May 17 2010 11:09 AM Re: Really?

Assuming such a managerial maneuver is true, it would appear the Mets ownership are determined to destroy the team and alienate the Mets' fans. Please let this be the managerial equivalent of a WAT rumor.

Edgy DC May 17 2010 11:19 AM Re: Really?

I don't know what you mean by true, but it's just something people on the internets are advocating. It's nothing Jeff Wilpon has shared with me, I assure you.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 17 2010 11:21 AM Re: Really?

Rockin' Doc wrote: Assuming such a managerial maneuver is true, it would appear the Mets ownership are determined to destroy the team and alienate the Mets' fans. Please let this be the managerial equivalent of a WAT rumor. Without a Trace? West Africa Time? Weapons Augmentation Team?

Swan Swan H May 17 2010 11:27 AM Re: Really?

Edgy DC wrote: I see the appeal, but I'd still rank him behind Gary Carter in my list of preferred candidates, and that's saying something. Hell, I'd rather have Mother Maybelle Carter.

Benjamin Grimm May 17 2010 12:27 PM Re: Really?

If the Mets want to hire a psychotic nutjob, they already have Wally Backman in house.

metirish May 17 2010 12:28 PM Re: Really?

Being with Lord Joe surely has made Bowa not only a better manager but a better person.

Swan Swan H May 17 2010 12:35 PM Re: Really?

metirish wrote: Being with Lord Joe surely has made Bowa not only a better manager but a better person. And vastly improved his nose-picking technique.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 17 2010 12:37 PM Re: Really?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If the Mets want to hire a psychotic nutjob, they already have Wally Backman in house. Plus, he's younger, more agile, and in slightly better health. If my manager's going to throw on-field shitfits nightly, by gum, they'd better be acrobatic!

Swan Swan H May 17 2010 12:46 PM Re: Really?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: If the Mets want to hire a psychotic nutjob, they already have Wally Backman in house. Plus, he's younger, more agile, and in slightly better health. If my manager's going to throw on-field shitfits nightly, by gum, they'd better be acrobatic! I always saw Wally as the type who'd never make 60, and Bowa living to his nineties, still taking a brisk walk in a velour track suit every morning and yelling at the neighbors to put their trash cans away.

seawolf17 May 17 2010 01:01 PM Re: Really?

Swan Swan H wrote: metirish wrote: Being with Lord Joe surely has made Bowa not only a better manager but a better person. And vastly improved his nose-picking technique. Well, shit. If that's a top criterion, I wonder why they haven't called me yet.

HahnSolo May 17 2010 01:49 PM Re: Really?

Since someone else brought up his name in this thread, there are rumors that St. Joe will not be out in La La land beyond this year (ownership issues, conflict with Colletti, maybe). You just know that if he's unemployed and there is a Met opening the Harper/Klapisch/Madden wing of the NY media will be all over it.

Nymr83 May 17 2010 01:56 PM Re: Really?

WE WANT BOBBY V! ..but please, not Bowa!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 17 2010 02:17 PM Re: Really?

Swan Swan H wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: If the Mets want to hire a psychotic nutjob, they already have Wally Backman in house. Plus, he's younger, more agile, and in slightly better health. If my manager's going to throw on-field shitfits nightly, by gum, they'd better be acrobatic! I always saw Wally as the type who'd never make 60, and Bowa living to his nineties, still taking a brisk walk in a velour track suit every morning and yelling at the neighbors to put their trash cans away. I like Bowa-as-Morty-Seinfeld/Frank-Costanza far better than I like him in a Metly pinstripe.

Fman99 May 17 2010 06:10 PM Re: Really?

I think Bowa could have the same type of success as Mets manager as he had as a Mets player.

Valadius May 17 2010 06:30 PM Re: Really?

You know, I'm sick of seeing retreads wind up with managing jobs. Hell, I'd give it to Mattingly just to piss off the MFY fans.

Swan Swan H May 17 2010 06:35 PM Re: Really?

Valadius wrote: You know, I'm sick of seeing retreads wind up with managing jobs. Hell, I'd give it to Mattingly just to piss off the MFY fans. I have no special dislike for Mattingly, but I just have a feeling that he is going to be a dismal failure as a manager.

Edgy DC May 17 2010 06:43 PM Re: Really?

We can do better than to give a guy his first job just to not give it to a retread. Willie Randolph, of course, was a first-time manager, as indeed have been six of 15 non-interim Mets managers

Benjamin Grimm May 17 2010 06:44 PM Re: Really?

Three of the four Mets pennant-winning managers were retreads.

metirish May 17 2010 07:13 PM Re: Really?

Steve Phillips on with Francesa when asked about Valentine hesitated before saying he was the wrong person to ask about Bobby. Then made the point that if there was change it woul,dn't be Valentine because hiring from outside would force the Mets to go through an interview process with other candidates or risk a fine and pissing of MLB.

DocTee May 17 2010 07:17 PM Re: Really?

Typical to want to replace a laid-back type with a firebrand, and vice versa. My preference is a former catcher with coaching credentials (attached to Bobby V): John Stearns.

Edgy DC May 17 2010 07:19 PM Re: Really?

Yeah, well, that rule makes no sense. A team that makes a change mid-season has no time for a prolonged and open process to conduct a dog-and-pony show. The Mets have conducted their last five years under black managers, have dedicated their rotunda to a hero of racial integration, and should happily eat the fine if that's the move they want to make.

Swan Swan H May 17 2010 07:19 PM Re: Really?

metirish wrote: Steve Phillips on with Francesa when asked about Valentine hesitated before saying he was the wrong person to ask about Bobby. Then made the point that if there was change it wouldn't be Valentine because hiring from outside would force the Mets to go through an interview process with other candidates or risk a fine and pissing of MLB. That point is pointless. If they wanted Bobby they'd either just hire him, or do the usual sham interviews for a couple of days and then hire him. Phillips should finish grinding his axe and sit on it.

Rockin' Doc May 17 2010 07:46 PM Re: Really?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Rockin' Doc wrote: Assuming such a managerial maneuver is true, it would appear the Mets ownership are determined to destroy the team and alienate the Mets' fans. Please let this be the managerial equivalent of a WAT rumor. Without a Trace? West Africa Time? Weapons Augmentation Team? Wild Ass Trade rumor. I guess that was more from the old EZBoard days. Sorry about that.