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Jerry Manuel temperature check

Fire him RIGHT NOW!

27 votes

Give him a little more time.

1 votes

Keep him through the end of the season.

4 votes

Benjamin Grimm May 20 2010 08:13 AM

I think I know how this is going to go, but let's do this anyway.

TransMonk May 20 2010 08:14 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I'm done with him. Time to move on.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 20 2010 08:16 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Well, look. They probably won't do something right ahead of the MFY series, but right after? Is that a vote for NOW!!!!?

Benjamin Grimm May 20 2010 08:17 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Consider RIGHT NOW to mean AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

metirish May 20 2010 08:17 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Hire the Nets new owner and have him fire him while chatting with the beat writers. Seriously, it was good for a few weeks but it's time to go.

Ceetar May 20 2010 08:18 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I think I've almost become infamous for how I feel about Manuel. I would've fired him after '08, after May of '09, after '09, two weeks ago, and Monday. But hey, when they fired Willie, I really felt like the team needed a fresh voice, not just the voice that happened to be there already just maybe not as vocal.

Gwreck May 20 2010 08:18 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

We already have a prediction poll as to what the Mets will do -- this is what they should do, and that is show Jerry the door this second. Not this afternoon, NOW!!!

G-Fafif May 20 2010 08:30 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

If I could think of something Manuel is bringing to the table, something in the way of player handling or strategy or anything that I thought might pay off if given a little time or a change of luck, I wouldn't say he should go. I don't like insisting that people should lose their livelihoods (though four-plus months remain on a contract that reportedly pays him approximately $1.5 million per season). But I can't think of any upside to Jerry Manuel any longer. Gangsta and focusing Jose Reyes and having the departing pitcher wait on the mound for his replacement was all a very long time ago. Jerry was enchanting in the aftermath of Willie and eventually rode a few hot bats and a couple of live arms to an outstanding stretch of contending baseball. The bats haven't been hot and the arms haven't been live since that portion of 2008. Go in peace, Jerry. But go.

Benjamin Grimm May 20 2010 08:31 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I'm with Gwreck. It's 10:30 a.m. right now, and I'd like to see him fired by 10:31. If that doesn't work out, then let's try 10:32.

Fman99 May 20 2010 08:33 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I wish I could have voted for "yesterday."

Ceetar May 20 2010 08:36 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

G-Fafif wrote: If I could think of something Manuel is bringing to the table, something in the way of player handling or strategy or anything that I thought might pay off if given a little time or a change of luck, I wouldn't say he should go. Go in peace, Jerry. But go. Well, I heard Wayne talking about how he had Wright and Reyes go out and stand in the box while Pelfrey through a bullpen session yesterday. Supposedly to help Pelfrey focus on a strike zone (This is something Warthen does too, I've got pictures of him standing in the box for Pelfrey. don't know if he does it for all guys, or what), but I don't nkow how much this helps. For Wright and Reyes, this was supposed to get them used to seeing and tracking pitches at almost game speed. Supposedly he got the idea from watching Bonds do it every day when he (don't know which team he was with at the time) would go to Candlestick for a three games series against the Giants. This seems like a cool idea, and maybe it'd even help. That patience drill he did with Frenchy in spring may have helped too, but it always seems like Manuel's trying out too many gimmicks, mainly reactionary, and that it's a cover for not really having any answers. Either way, these aren't exactly representing any insight from Manuel, and are things that can be done without him.

G-Fafif May 20 2010 08:38 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Jerry Manuel for roving instructor. Somebody else for manager.

G-Fafif May 20 2010 08:51 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Oh, and as far as the Jerry Manuel temperature check, it's 73 degrees in Washington right now. He can probably shed the light jacket.

Benjamin Grimm May 20 2010 08:52 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

He's going to try to bunt the temperature up to 74.

Ashie62 May 20 2010 08:53 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

It should not be 90 degrees in Washington but the Mets have made it so. Sorry Jerry, no time like the present..Bye

metirish May 20 2010 09:18 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Hojo can go with him , again , not to overstate what they do but I think he has done little with some excellent hitters. Dan Wharton I think has done some good with little. Ollie I think is a special case.

Ashie62 May 20 2010 09:20 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

12-0 for the "nows"

Edgy DC May 20 2010 09:23 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Bloody hell.

themetfairy May 20 2010 09:25 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

ASAP

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2010 09:25 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

A "how much would you pay to see Jerry Manuel fired" poll might have been more competitive.

batmagadanleadoff May 20 2010 09:26 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I'm on board for Jerry's firing ... his tactics are just too absurd. But I'm disagreeing with everyone who thinks he's worse than Willie, or that he's doing things that even Willie never did. Twice, Willie sac bunted in the first inning of a road game against the Rockies ... Jerry's got nothing on Willie. I'd also add that Jerry's being unfairly punished for last year's lost season of injuries, even though management openly denied that they'd blame the manager for 2009. If 2009 never happened ... if these six weeks of play came on the heels of the end of 2008, the call for Jerry's head wouldn't be as heated as it is.

Gwreck May 20 2010 09:33 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

You realize that's a Wallace Matthews idea you're putting in support of your point, right? In all seriousness, I think it is true that Jerry is not being evaluated on 2008 and 2010 alone but it also must be considered that Jerry did a pretty awful job in the last two or three weeks of 2008 which certainly negated much of the goodwill he earned following Willie's departure.

batmagadanleadoff May 20 2010 09:35 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Gwreck wrote: You realize that's a Wallace Matthews idea you're putting in support of your point, right? That back page is from September of 2008. I'm not defending the 2010 Jerry.

Ceetar May 20 2010 09:44 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: A "how much would you pay to see Jerry Manuel fired" poll might have been more competitive. I've gone on record saying I'd buy a couple of tickets to the FLA-SD Homestand if they fire Manuel. If they ditch Warthen and Hojo too, I'll splurge on Ceaser's Club seats.

Ashie62 May 20 2010 09:44 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Oh, screw Jerry Manuel

sharpie May 20 2010 09:49 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I'm for booting him now but between Jerry and Willie, I'm coming down on Jerry's side. That being said, we can and should do much better.

Benjamin Grimm May 20 2010 10:16 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

We're no longer unanimous. Current totals are 17-1-0.

Ceetar May 20 2010 10:18 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Benjamin Grimm wrote: We're no longer unanimous. Current totals are 17-1-0. Guess Jerry Manuel found the forums.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 20 2010 10:53 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

In my mind, he doesn't get a free pass for 2009. Things started shaky-- with the ill-conceived oppo-field drills and the like-- and ended worse (with Tatis and Omir regularly getting starts over Evans, Thole and the younguns). He was dealt a terrible hand-- by injuries and Omar-- but he essentially just played it out, foregoing most every opportunity he had to get something with future value out of the resources at hand. If that 1 "give him more time" vote is from someone other than Zvon, I'd be curious to hear the logic behind it.

Centerfield May 20 2010 03:08 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I've already said how I feel about Manuel. I'm just curious why we're so fired up to fire Jerry. To me, Omar is the far bigger culprit here. Get on Jerry about the bullpen and bunting (all of it very well-deserved), but this team is much, much more than just a few x's and o's away from winning. I mean, we're clamoring to get Chris Carter more at-bats. Omar Minaya is far more to blame here than Jerry Manuel. For my write-in, put me down for "I don't really care so long as Omar is canned first."

metsguyinmichigan May 20 2010 03:46 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I was against firing him because I think managers are often the scapegoat and usually get blamed for the sins of others -- like general managers. But I've turned on Jerry. It's just not working any more.

Edgy DC May 20 2010 10:54 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I disagree. I think the ingredients of a winner are there.

metsmarathon May 21 2010 09:19 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

i think jerry is both unfairly looked at as the scapegoat for the mets' many woes, and a terrible manager of men and baseball games who deserves to be fired.

G-Fafif May 21 2010 11:14 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

At this stage of the 1990 season, the Mets had the exact record they do now: 20-22. At two games below .500, Davey Johnson was fired, and that guy won a World Series and a division title for them, finishing first or second six years in a row.

Zvon May 21 2010 11:31 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: If that 1 "give him more time" vote is from someone other than Zvon, I'd be curious to hear the logic behind it. I do believe I was #2.

batmagadanleadoff May 21 2010 12:03 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

At this stage of the 1990 season, the Mets had the exact record they do now: 20-22. At two games below .500, Davey Johnson was fired, and that guy won a World Series and a division title for them, finishing first or second six years in a row. Big Yellow Taxi is right because in all of the 20 years following 20 years ago, the Mets had but one good manager and Wilpon fired him the first second he could.

Ashie62 May 21 2010 02:04 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

At this stage of the 1990 season, the Mets had the exact record they do now: 20-22. At two games below .500, Davey Johnson was fired, and that guy won a World Series and a division title for them, finishing first or second six years in a row. Big Yellow Taxi is right because in all of the 20 years following 20 years ago, the Mets had but one good manager and Wilpon fired him the first second he could. Amen

Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2010 08:58 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Okay... maybe not.

Ceetar Jun 18 2010 09:00 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Okay... maybe not. My vote stands. But it's not as immediate an issue when the players are performing to their ability.

Zvon Jun 18 2010 09:08 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

It let me vote again. lol Well, I think I'll keep him. Guess my comments were in another thread.

Willets Point Jun 18 2010 09:18 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Ha, this thread is from May 21, just before the Mets turned it around.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 18 2010 09:25 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

The only reason I'm at all in favor of keeping him is because it may spook the horses to dismiss him now.

Willets Point Jun 18 2010 09:29 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The only reason I'm at all in favor of keeping him is because it may spook the horses to dismiss him now. Frau Blücher!

Benjamin Grimm Jul 20 2010 02:04 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

It seems that whenever we pound this drum, the Mets go on an eight-game winning streak.

Ceetar Jul 20 2010 02:04 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It seems that whenever we pound this drum, the Mets go on an eight-game winning streak. Pound harder. I'd prefer 10.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 20 2010 02:07 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

In lieu of-- or in addition to-- said win streak, I'll take a Jerry Manuel firing, in favor of, say, Oberkfell or Jauss.

Ceetar Jul 20 2010 02:11 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: In lieu of-- or in addition to-- said win streak, I'll take a Jerry Manuel firing, in favor of, say, Oberkfell or Jauss. Bobby Valentine, Jim Koch, Batman, Wally Backman, Lou Pinella, Alex Cora, Joey Cora, that guy down the block who looks like Alex Cora, Tom Glavine, or even Bob Melvin.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 20 2010 02:22 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Ceetar wrote: Bobby Valentine, Jim Koch, Batman, [crossout]Wally Backman[/crossout],[crossout]Lou Pinella[/crossout], Alex Cora, Joey Cora, that guy down the block who looks like Alex Cora, [crossout]Tom Glavine[/crossout], or even Bob Melvin. I'll take Cat Cora, the second, crappy Robin (the one the Joker killed), or... say... Spuds Mackenzie with a probability chart over Lou Pinella.

metirish Jul 20 2010 02:26 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Hard to believe that Lou Pinella will retire at seasons end..

Edgy DC Jul 20 2010 02:40 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I can't imagine Spuds is available.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 20 2010 03:01 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

This team plays in a metropolitan area with the largest Haitian population outside the island itself; somebody's got to know some voudan, right?

Vince Coleman Firecracker Jul 20 2010 05:39 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Edgy DC wrote: I can't imagine Spuds is available. Sadly, Spuds has been partying down with bikini models and awful beer in the great doggy beyond for over seventeen years now. Of course, she may still be a better manager than JFM.

Zvon Jul 20 2010 06:38 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

metirish wrote: Hard to believe that Lou Pinella will retire at seasons end.. Nah, he's see's what Cox is doin with the Braves and he's just tryin to fire up his team. Unless a doctor orders it, which is entirely possible in Lou's case, he ain't retirin'.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 22 2010 10:53 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I'm sticking today's JoePet in this thread instead of in yesterday's IGT. The cartoon has more versatility than Jerry's bench.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 22 2010 12:04 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

3-11 in walkoff games this year (as per Grimm in another thread). Also, the Mets are 46-63 in one-run games over his Met career.

Ceetar Jul 22 2010 12:06 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: 3-11 in walkoff games this year (as per Grimm in another thread). Also, the Mets are 46-63 in one-run games over his Met career. I was wondering what this record was. What was it for Willie? For the Mets since their inception?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2010 12:06 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Give me a minute...

Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2010 12:13 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

All-time Mets record in one-run games (regular and post season) is 1202 and 1311. With Willie Randolph as manager, they were 81-65. Under Jerry Manuel, they're 40 and 51. Here's the full list: Bamberger 28 44 Berra 100 107 Cubbage 1 4 Frazier 32 41 Green 77 93 Harrelson 38 46 Hodges 124 114 Howard 23 16 Howe 38 52 Johnson 182 155 Manuel 40 51 McMillan 4 9 Parker 1 2 Randolph 81 65 Stengel 69 115 Torborg 26 40 Torre 107 133 Valentine 178 155 Westrum 53 69

Ceetar Jul 22 2010 12:19 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Interesting. thanks. I maintain that jerry's a bad close game manager. He has had a top closer, excepting 2008, for his entire tenure, which you'd expect to help. Willie's numbers are probably largely reflective of how good the 2006 bullpen was. *shrugs* What'd you use to calculate this anyway? I was trying to find somewhere to do and and couldn't.

Zvon Jul 22 2010 12:32 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

That is a very telling list Ben. ty

Benjamin Grimm Jul 22 2010 12:43 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Ceetar wrote: What'd you use to calculate this anyway? I was trying to find somewhere to do and and couldn't. I have a vast and powerful database at my fingertips.

Ceetar Jul 22 2010 12:49 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Ceetar wrote: What'd you use to calculate this anyway? I was trying to find somewhere to do and and couldn't. I have a vast and powerful database at my fingertips. <----jealous.

Vic Sage Jul 23 2010 01:28 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

can Jerry's temperature be checked rectally? with a cactus?

Ceetar Jul 23 2010 01:36 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Vic Sage wrote: can Jerry's temperature be checked rectally? with a cactus? I'm pretty sure that would look pretty much like Monday-Wednesday's games.

Ashie62 Jul 23 2010 01:45 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Nice record for Bobby V.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 23 2010 02:17 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Ashie62 wrote: Nice record for Bobby V. Hey! Go figure!

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2010 02:26 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Just on a quick glance and without bothering to fully dive into the research, I suspect that above list would show (with the usual small sample caveat) that a manager's one-run game pct would fall within spitting distance of his overall W/L pct. So the fact that Davey's and Bobby's and Gil's are all not only good but also better than Jerry's is not surprising ... and probably not all that telling either. Comparing Jerry's to his overall Met record shows that we "should have" won about 4 or 5 more one-run games than the 40 of 91 that we did. Five games, over two and a half seasons. Maybe that's something, or maybe it's just statistical noise.

Edgy DC Jul 23 2010 02:49 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Yeah, I don't know what to conclude, aside from the obvious: that you don't fuck with Hondo. Manager W L W% 1-RW 1-RL 1-RW% DIF Howard 52 64 .448 23 16 .590 .141 Stengel 175 404 .302 69 115 .375 .073 Westrum 142 237 .375 53 69 .434 .060 Torre 286 420 .405 107 133 .446 .041 Randolph 302 253 .544 81 65 .555 .011 Green 229 283 .447 77 93 .453 .006 Valentine 536 467 .534 178 155 .535 .000 Bamberger 81 127 .389 28 44 .389 -.001 Howe 137 186 .424 38 52 .422 -.002 Hodges 339 309 .523 124 114 .521 -.002 Berra 292 296 .497 100 107 .483 -.014 Parker 4 7 .364 1 2 .333 -.030 Torborg 85 115 .425 26 40 .394 -.031 Johnson 595 417 .588 182 155 .540 -.048 Frazier 101 106 .488 32 41 .438 -.050 Manuel 174 177 .496 40 51 .440 -.056 Harrelson 145 129 .529 38 46 .452 -.077 McMillan 26 27 .491 4 9 .308 -.183 Cubbage 3 4 .429 1 4 .200 -.229

batmagadanleadoff Jul 23 2010 02:53 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

What it means is that Randolph was the luckiest, no?

Ceetar Jul 23 2010 03:00 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

batmagadanleadoff wrote: What it means is that Randolph was the luckiest, no? Well I'd say the 2006 bullpen was one of the better ones in recent memory, and even the early 2007 bullpen featured a lot of simliar qualities. Wagner was lights out in 2007 early. Closer no-hitter, etc. (sorta like this year..hmm...) HAving a good bullpen probably is what got him those 1-run wins.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 25 2010 09:40 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

3-12 in walkoffs this year; 40-52 in one-run games.

Ashie62 Jul 25 2010 10:19 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

I believe the true problem with the Mets is ownership. The Wilpons don't seem to be "all in". They are behaving is if they are running the team with scared money. The Mets are a team in transition.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2010 10:44 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

From "The Greatest Game Ever Played" thread: batmagadanleadoff wrote: In an extra inning game, I'd use my most effective available reliever -- effective defined by the circumstances (opposing batters, base/out situation) as much as by the pitcher's own abilities. Given the sudden death-like nature of extra innings, I can't see holding back on the most effective pitcher. Your team won't bat in the 11th inning if you're losing after 10 innings. Here's what I think is wrong with Jerry and Dan's thinking: Let's assume that Perez was destined to give up that home run no matter when he appeared, and that K-Rod could pitch no more than one inning. K-Rod, by pitching a scoreless 13th, extends the game for at least another inning, and gives the Mets at least one more half inning to score. If the Mets score one run in the 14th, than the home run that Perez would yield is not necessarily the walk-off game winner. And if the Mets put up a crooked number in their half of the 14th, the Dodger solo homer doesn't even tie the game. It's not only about maintaining the tie. A tie at the end of the extra inning necessitates another inning, and another scoring opportunity for the road team.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2010 11:08 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

The first Met teams that I rooted for obsessively had the best one-two relief pitching punch in all of baseball. McGraw and Frisella were unhittable, and pitched whenever the game was on the line, irrespective of the inning. Back then, reliever usage was determined by the pitcher's ability, by the game and base/out situation, and by the identity of the opposing batters ... not by the inning number. We've regressed over the last 20 years. Because it makes eminent sense to match the reliever to the game situation, rather than to the inning.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 25 2010 11:15 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

batmagadanleadoff wrote: We've regressed over the last 20 years. Because it makes eminent sense to match the reliever to the game situation, rather than to the inning. I agree. It's really mind-boggling.

seawolf17 Jul 25 2010 11:40 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Dang, I wish those guys weren't both dead, because that SN cover would look really cool autographed.

MFS62 Jul 25 2010 12:16 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Vic Sage wrote: can Jerry's temperature be checked rectally? with a cactus? If the Mets lose a few more games in a row, I think the only way they'll be checking Jerry's temperature will be with a thermometer in his liver. Later

Zvon Jul 25 2010 04:07 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

batmagadanleadoff wrote: The first Met teams that I rooted for obsessively had the best one-two relief pitching punch in all of baseball. McGraw and Frisella were unhittable, and pitched whenever the game was on the line, irrespective of the inning. Back then, reliever usage was determined by the pitcher's ability, by the game and base/out situation, and by the identity of the opposing batters ... not by the inning number. We've regressed over the last 20 years. Because it makes eminent sense to match the reliever to the game situation, rather than to the inning. I really think for the last 15 or so years there were players, specifically hitters, who had as high an energy level in the 9th as they did on the first pitch of the game. To off set this the one inning specialist was needed more, cause what they wanted to fight it with was a fresh and rested arm for the later innings. I really, really hope those days are behind us and baseball adjusts back to when the players were not juicing. And also, with today's advances in health and stamina and whatnot, that are legal, maybe it never goes back to what it once was. But the pendulum should swing back somewhat the other way.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 26 2010 11:36 AM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

So, what time do the heads roll? Will I have to stay up until 3 a.m.?

Ceetar Jul 26 2010 12:32 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Benjamin Grimm wrote: So, what time do the heads roll? Will I have to stay up until 3 a.m.? Supposedly they'll have meetings today, but won't be making any announcements. Will they leak to media? who knows..

Ashie62 Jul 26 2010 01:07 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Zvon wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: The first Met teams that I rooted for obsessively had the best one-two relief pitching punch in all of baseball. McGraw and Frisella were unhittable, and pitched whenever the game was on the line, irrespective of the inning. Back then, reliever usage was determined by the pitcher's ability, by the game and base/out situation, and by the identity of the opposing batters ... not by the inning number. We've regressed over the last 20 years. Because it makes eminent sense to match the reliever to the game situation, rather than to the inning. I really think for the last 15 or so years there were players, specifically hitters, who had as high an energy level in the 9th as they did on the first pitch of the game. To off set this the one inning specialist was needed more, cause what they wanted to fight it with was a fresh and rested arm for the later innings. I really, really hope those days are behind us and baseball adjusts back to when the players were not juicing. And also, with today's advances in health and stamina and whatnot, that are legal, maybe it never goes back to what it once was. But the pendulum should swing back somewhat the other way. That looks suspiciously like the Dune Buggy Frisella rolled causing his death.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 26 2010 05:36 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Omar says: Nobody gets fired... today.

Ashie62 Jul 26 2010 05:45 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Omar says: Nobody gets fired... today. wuss

Ashie62 Jul 26 2010 05:49 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

What does it friggin take for the Mets to enact change?

batmagadanleadoff Jul 26 2010 08:07 PM Re: Jerry Manuel temperature check

Ya Gotta Reprieve (or You Got A Reprieve) Sources: Mets won't fire any coaches NEW YORK -- The New York Mets' coaching staff will remain intact when the team opens a homestand Tuesday evening against the St. Louis Cardinals. The decision to leave the staff untouched came during organizational discussions via conference call on Monday, two sources told ESPNNewYork.com. http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/ ... id=5411825