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metirish
May 25 2010 07:02 AM

The Snooze saw fit to make this the back page.....



Francisco Rodriguez and Mets bullpen coach Randy Niemann get into heated discussion in series finale


Francisco Rodriguez apparently was plenty warmed up by the time he got into Sunday night's Subway Series finale in the ninth inning against the Yankees - K-Rod and bullpen coach Randy Niemann had "a heated exchange" during the eighth, according to two Mets officials.

"There was an argument between 'Niemo' and K-Rod," one official said, using Niemann's nickname. "Nothing that doesn't happen on most clubs."

The official blamed it on "the heat of the Subway Series and the games. These kinds of things happen.

"Those guys took care of it. There's no discipline for arguing. It was a little difference of opinion."

Asked if the confrontation had gotten physical, the official said, "As far as I know, no."

What is unclear, however, is what sparked the argument and what it was about. Asked if the dispute was about how K-Rod was being used, the official would not answer.

"There were some disagreements," the official said. "The matter's been resolved. They both patched it up."

Added the other official: "Whatever transpired has been handled."


The New York Times reported on its baseball blog that the reliever and the coach "could be seen pushing each other" but added that nothing serious had taken place. The paper's blog entry quoted Rodriguez as saying, "We were just fooling around. We were just kidding with each other."

Rodriguez did not return a call from the Daily News. His agent, Paul Kinzer, told The News he had not heard of any dustup.

"Must not have been too big of a deal," Kinzer said. "I haven't heard of it from Frankie."

Rodriguez entered the game with one out in the ninth, runners on first and second and the Mets ahead, 6-2. He allowed two inherited runners to score, but struck out Alex Rodriguez on an 81-mph changeup to end the game with the tying runs on base for his eighth save.

It was Rodriguez's second save of the Subway Series. He got five outs Saturday night, his first five-out save since April 22.

Rodriguez, in his second season with the Mets, also had a dispute last season with Yankee reliever Brian Bruney, who criticized his mound celebrations. He also had what was described in The News as a "heated exchange" with deposed Met executive Tony Bernazard on the team bus after an 11-0 loss to the Braves at Turner Field in Atlanta when Bernazard allegedly criticized K-Rod's fellow Met relievers.

Rodriguez, signed by the Mets as a free agent before the 2009 season, is 2-1 with a 1.96 ERA this year.

The 54-year-old Niemann, who is listed in the media guide as 6-5 and 220 pounds, is in his third tour as the Mets' bullpen coach. He was also the bullpen coach from 2000-2002 and from 1997 through June 8, 1999. He appeared in 31 games for the world champion 1986 Mets and has been in the Mets' organization for 23 years



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WOW, players and coaches argue?......

batmagadanleadoff
May 25 2010 09:31 AM
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Was K-Rod steaming from the night before when he was asked to pitch the 8th inning? Is that what really ticked him off?

Ceetar
May 25 2010 09:41 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Was K-Rod steaming from the night before when he was asked to pitch the 8th inning? Is that what really ticked him off?


Maybe. I hope not. But Frankie's obviously a hot head. not like this is the first time.

Since it was the bullpen coach and not Manuel (taht we know of) I'd suspect it'd be more along the lines of how often he was getting ready rumors, although that's not really the bullpen coach's call either, and I don't blame him for being pissed about it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 25 2010 10:12 AM
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The Times' Waldstein is with Ceetar, attributing this to the Mets' usage of Rodriguez and specifically mentioning repeated early warm-ups:

Waldstein wrote:
But two days after that meeting, the team’s closer, Francisco Rodriguez, and its bullpen coach, Randy Niemann, had to be separated by other relievers in the bullpen on Sunday night during an apparent dispute over how Rodriguez is being used. The confrontation occurred in full view of some of the fans sitting in right field.

... But two people in the Mets organization confirmed that the confrontation between Rodriguez and Niemann was indeed a heated one and might have escalated if other pitchers had not intervened. A third member of the organization said that Rodriguez and Niemann met after the game and apparently patched things up.

At the heart of Sunday night’s incident is the Mets’ heavy reliance on Rodriguez to bail them out of one dangerous situation after another. With his own job on the line, Manuel has felt pressure to win every game he possibly can, even it means stretching Rodriguez’s normal limitations. He has had Rodriguez warm up more than once in the same game in case he is needed before the ninth inning; he has had Rodriguez come into the games where the Mets are still comfortably ahead... just as in the 20-inning game against St. Louis in April, when Rodriguez warmed up 10 times before finally entering in the 19th inning, the Mets, and particularly Manuel, were in desperate need of a victory.


Although he draws that link without directly attributing the information to any of his anonymous sources... and he does so in an article that strains to compare the situation to the MFY "Bronx Zoo," so take from that what you will.

batmagadanleadoff
May 25 2010 10:23 AM
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The Times' Waldstein is with Ceetar, attributing this to the Mets' usage of Rodriguez and specifically mentioning repeated early warm-ups:


I read that article last night. Something to consider: What K-Rod says might not equal what K-Rod thinks.

metirish
May 25 2010 10:26 AM
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I thought he liked the extra work, or is it that he doesn't like warming up for it? I for one would like Jerry to keep managing like that.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 25 2010 10:28 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 25 2010 10:35 AM

Think he's being disingenuous here? Whether or not it's the actual cause of this Niemo kerfuffle... he has a right to be a little bothered by the apparent pattern of warm-up-to-sit-down-to-warm-up, I think.

“They told me if the tying run gets on deck, I will be in there,” Rodriguez said after Sunday’s game.

“So I got up in the eighth and after Feliciano got Cano I sat back down, and they told me in case something else happened and someone gets on base, I will be in there.”

Asked if it was difficult to do that, to keep warming up, Rodriguez said it was a matter of being smart.

“You have to save your bullets and not waste them back there and throw too much,” he said.


If Rodriguez is warming up 2-3 times per close game-- throwing 15-20 warmup pitches each time-- then Nieve must more or less be perpetually throwing in the pen once the sixth rolls around. Manuel seems to be a bigger fan of bullpen dry-humping than Coney in front of impressionable teens... and I can't believe this isn't affecting everyone's already-redlining fatigue levels.

batmagadanleadoff
May 25 2010 10:28 AM
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metirish wrote:
I thought he liked the extra work, or is it that he doesn't like warming up for it? I for one would like Jerry to keep managing like that.


K-Rod's charge of being overworked --or overwarmed-- sounds credible. (K-Rod overheats when he's overwarmed!) But most "closers" also resent expending any effort in a non-save situation.

Edgy DC
May 25 2010 01:26 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Manuel seems to be a bigger fan of bullpen dry-humping than Coney in front of impressionable teens... and I can't believe this isn't affecting everyone's already-redlining fatigue levels.

Not that I disagree, because I totally don't, but the analogy is kind of forced.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 25 2010 01:30 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Manuel seems to be a bigger fan of bullpen dry-humping than Coney in front of impressionable teens... and I can't believe this isn't affecting everyone's already-redlining fatigue levels.

Not that I disagree, because I totally don't, but the analogy is kind of forced.


You think this is more Wagner/Putz-level "I Can't Get It Up For Non-Save Sitches" stuff? Or do you think this is more of a how-Frankie-handles-stress matter?

(Or was the Cone nod that much of a stretch?)

soupcan
May 26 2010 08:54 AM
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From today's New York Post:

...these are the Fightin' Mets with bullpen coach Randy Niemann and Francisco Rodriguez having a "verbal discussion" Sunday night. That was Omar Minaya's way of describing the bullpen action.


Oh Omar, what will I do without you when you're gone...?

Ceetar
May 26 2010 09:02 AM
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Manuel and Warthen seem to forget that pitches thrown in the bullpen still tire your arm.

Sometimes it seems like they literally get Feliciano and Nieve at least warming up in every game. They had Frankie warming up for nearly 10 innings straight in the 20 innings game.

And then there was the Phillies-Santana game, where they didn't bother having anyone warm up and just brought (Takahashi i think) in after 4 warmup pitches.

Sometimes it seems that Manuel's never comfortable with the reliever he chooses and always wants to have another option.

Or maybe it's just he's always planning out matchups coming up? If this guy gets on, I'll bring in the lefty for Howard, but if not, I'll leave him in let him face Werth. But what if Howard gets on? Maybe I should get a righty up too in case i want to bring a guy in for Werth. If he mows them all down, I need a pinch hitter in the bottom of the inning, so I better get a different guy up to throw the next inning..

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 26 2010 09:03 AM
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Lots of verbs!

I also like this material:

It helps having characters like Carter around, too. Before the game I ran into "the Animal" in the dugout and asked how he was doing.
"Doing good," he responded, "but I'll be doing a lot better after we beat these Phillies."


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