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Edgy DC
May 25 2010 02:38 PM

Some Mets not happy with Strawberry
Last Updated on Tuesday, 25 May 2010



By Travis Duncan

Two Mets players have asked Mets management to keep Darryl Strawberry away from them, according to a report by the ESPN 1050 in New York and the New York Daily News.

The radio station reported that the former Mets great told to current "prominent" Mets "to stop worrying about (media) criticism" and "get out on the field and perform."

The Daily News reports that the two players went to Jay Horwitz, Mets VP/media relation and told him to keep Strawberry away. However, according to the report, Strawberry will still be welcomed in the Mets clubhouse.

The Mets have several players who aren't playing up to expectations. The most notable being third basemen David Wright who is hitting just .261 on the season. So far in the month of May Wright has struck out 34 times in 80 at-bats. His 60 total strikeouts are second most in all of baseball. And he's hitting .200 the the last seven games he's played in.

The pressure in New York as always is high, but lately we have seen Wright and others noticeably bothered by it. Asking Strawberry to stay away, whether it was Wright or not illustrates the tension in New York and verifies what the legendary ball player says is true: The Mets are letting criticism get to them.

Wright recently told the New York Post that the playing field is the only place Mets players can get away from the constant critiques. (If only the media could interview players in the dugout).

"For three hours, that's our sanctuary where we get away from it all and focus on nothing but baseball."

TransMonk
May 25 2010 02:42 PM
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Darryl's got a ring and the team is underperforming. Sack up and listen to a guy who's done what you're supposed to be doing.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 25 2010 02:44 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 25 2010 02:46 PM

TransMonk wrote:
Darryl's got a ring and the team is underperforming. Sack up and listen to a guy who's done what you're supposed to be doing.


Fair point about the ring, I suppose, but Darryl probably shouldn't be lecturing others about underperforming or lack of focus.

Ceetar
May 25 2010 02:46 PM
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the former Mets great told to current "prominent" Mets "to stop worrying about (media) criticism" and "get out on the field and perform."


He does realize that it's logically impossible to follow that advice since he in fact is part of the media.

I'm sure that's all it was for Bay and Reyes, they were just too worried about Mike Francesa and couldn't get a hit. yeah.

Edgy DC
May 25 2010 02:57 PM
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It's only by implication and inference, however, that we're led to conclude that the alleged complaints are a direct result of "get out on the field and perform." I mean, maybe the problem isn't that at all, but that he's trying to interest them in buying some blow, making unwelcome advances, and showing them unspeakable pornography.

Ashie62
May 25 2010 03:10 PM
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Edgy DC wrote:
It's only by implication and inference, however, that we're led to conclude that the alleged complaints are a direct result of "get out on the field and perform." I mean, maybe the problem isn't that at all, but that he's trying to interest them in buying some blow, making unwelcome advances, and showing them unspeakable pornography.


What is speakable pornography lol?

batmagadanleadoff
May 25 2010 04:14 PM
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Ashie62 wrote:
Edgy DC wrote:
It's only by implication and inference, however, that we're led to conclude that the alleged complaints are a direct result of "get out on the field and perform." I mean, maybe the problem isn't that at all, but that he's trying to interest them in buying some blow, making unwelcome advances, and showing them unspeakable pornography.


What is speakable pornography lol?


I'm not sure, but when I hear it, I'll tell you about it,

Valadius
May 25 2010 08:11 PM
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I'm almost positive Wright is one of the culprits here.

Frayed Knot
May 25 2010 08:17 PM
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Valadius wrote:
I'm almost positive Wright is one of the culprits here.


Based on?

Valadius
May 25 2010 08:44 PM
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Based on if I were striking out as often as he is, I would be pretty pissed off at some non-employee of the team lecturing me all the damn time about performing on the field.

Frayed Knot
May 25 2010 08:52 PM
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Oh OK. As long as it's something rational.

Rockin' Doc
May 25 2010 08:58 PM
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Valadius wrote:
Based on if I were striking out as often as he is, I would be pretty pissed off at some non-employee of the team lecturing me all the damn time about performing on the field.


I say this all due respect, I have seen David Wright and you sir, are no David Wright.

OlerudOwned
May 25 2010 09:48 PM
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I still don't get why everyone (outside of this forum, anyway) is acting like Wright is having some sort of abysmal season.

seawolf17
May 25 2010 09:56 PM
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Valadius wrote:
I'm almost positive Wright is one of the culprits here.

Funny. Val's usually way more adamant about this stuff. Should be more like "there's absolutely, unquestionably, no doubt in my mind that David Wright is one of the culprits here."

Edgy DC
May 25 2010 10:25 PM
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I question whether a player privately questioning who has access to the clubhouse --- though Strawberry is an employee --- should be called a "culprit."

G-Fafif
May 25 2010 11:39 PM
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Klap takes a break from singing in the soft rain to finger Frenchy and Bay as the Mets who didn't care for Straw stirring things up. Then he resuscitates all his favorite anecdotes and images, like Keith Hernandez "pulling hard on a cigarette," from when he covered the Mets.

It was late in the summer of 2009 when Daniel Murphy confronted Ron Darling about the tenor of his on-air comments. Murphy said he’d heard from his parents, who’d been watching the SNY broadcasts at home, that Darling had been heaping too much praise on the opposing team.

Darling, whose Mets’ roots trace back to the Eighties, calmly asked Murphy which option sounded better: either he concentrated on the opponents, or else he could remind viewers how the Mets were on the way to an appalling 92-loss season.

Realizing he was no match for the Yale-educated Darling, Murphy wisely chose to back off. But the episode illustrated the generation gap between today’s Mets and those of the last golden era, where speaking one’s mind wasn’t the exception, but an iron rule.

And that’s the reason Darryl Strawberry ran into trouble in the Mets’ clubhouse last weekend, when his pep talk apparently offended Jason Bay and Jeff Francoeur. Both players now deny having any problem with the Strawberry, but they were first in line to complain to the team’s PR director, Jay
Horwitz, about Darryl’s aggressive tone.

When reached by phone Tuesday, Strawberry declined comment, but he’s let the Mets know he’ll never set foot in the clubhouse again. Darryl was wounded, but was nevertheless able to understand that his message – and the in-your-face delivery of yesteryear – no longer resonate in the new millennium clubhouse.

Today’s major-leaguers are athletic specimens, not to mention brighter, better educated and more socially enlightened than their predecessors. But that’s not to say they’re tougher or more competitive. Bay and Francoeur are two of the nicest guys around, but they would’ve never survived in the Strawberry-Keith Hernandez-Lenny Dykstra clubhouse 25 years ago.

That’s a point worth remembering when the Mets go hunting for a new manager this winter. Among the many candidates they’ll consider is Wally ackman, who, like Strawberry, is as old school and un-nuanced as they come. While that’s made him a terrific manager at the minor league level, the decidedly un-PC mentality has cost him job after job.

Jeff Wilpon is taking a gamble by installing Backman at Class-A Brooklyn, but it’s worth a shot. Wilpon, in fact, told Backman over the winter that he’ll someday manage the Mets – if he can stay out of trouble.

Backman swears he’s conquered his demons, including alcohol, but it’s his temper that’ll be really be the deciding factor. The real question is whether Backman can speak the language of today’s ballplayer: can he motivate the Bays and Francoeurs of the world without trampling on their egos?

Backman comes from an era when clubhouse humor wasn’t just unfiltered, it could be cruel. Strawberry once said Dave Magadan, whom he considered too soft as Hernandez’s heir apparent at first base, had, “too much sugar in his blood.” And Dykstra once taunted Kevin Elster for taking too long to recover from a minor injury by opening and closing his fist, as if he was working a cow’s udders.

“Milk it, baby, milk it,” Dykstra said loudly, making sure everyone in the clubhouse heard him.

This was a team that viewed non-drinkers with suspicion. Darling himself once said he didn’t trust any player who didn’t drink beer. And after every game, Hernandez would sit at his locker, pulling hard on a cigarette, finishing off the Budweisers that’d been placed in an iced bucket, the long necks sticking out like baby chicks emerging from their shell.

Who talks and acts like this anymore in a major league clubhouse? Certainly not Francoeur or Bay. To his credit, David Wright appreciated the intent behind Strawberry’s pep talk, which by the Eighties’ standard was fairly mild.

All Darryl did was remind the Mets they’re better than a last-place team. He roots intensely for his former team, having severed his ties with the Yankees once and for all. And, most significantly, Strawberry believed he was operating with the blessing of ownership, which hired Darryl to be a ull-time adviser and ambassador.

Strawberry believed it was part of his job description to interact with the current, the same way Reggie Jackson works the clubhouse in the Bronx. There isn’t a single Yankee player who resents Mr. October, including Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez. No one has ever run to Jason Zillo, the Yankees’ media relations director, and asked that Reggie be kept away.

It may be too late to repair the damage at Citi Field, however. Francoeur told reporters before Tuesday’s game, “I can take criticism” and denied he lodged a protest with Mets’ officials over Strawberry’s conduct. But Darryl has already moved on.

Maybe the point will be moot in a few weeks. The Mets took apart the Phillies with such ease Tuesday, it was possible to imagine the end of tailspin. If R.A. Dickey can effectively replace Oliver Perez, the rotation might have a chance to build a winning streak.

At that point, the Mets might acquire some of the swagger they’re so obviously lacking. That harder edge might come in handy, too, later this summer when it’s really time to stand up to the Phillies – who, by the way, consider the Mets nothing but a bunch of softies.

At that point, the Mets might actually get into touch with their cowboy past. For that, they might end up thanking Darryl, after all.

Fman99
May 26 2010 05:57 AM
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Bob Klapisch makes his "O, Reggie face" and spews Yanqui flavored shmeg all over the newspaper, as par usual. Take that shit elsewhere.

Frayed Knot
May 26 2010 06:21 AM
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There isn’t a single Yankee player who resents Mr. October


Yeah right. There have ALWAYS been players who resented "Mr. October", most notably his teammates on each team he played on, but also managers, coaches, opponents, media. etc. So now that he's in his 60s and has no specific function other then to satisfy his own craving for attention as well as George's desire to have a "name" Yanqui (or at least one who spent approx 22% of his career as one) on hand to trot out out media events, we're expected to believe he's like a lovable little fuzzball.

Someone - might have been Raissman - was detailing recently how 'ol Reg twice called up Mad Dog's show - unsolicited - to defend "his boy" ARod (kept calling him Al) in appearances that was described as being more designed to reinforce the idea that Reggie's still an insider than it was about anyone on today's team.




Bay and Francoeur are two of the nicest guys around, but they would’ve never survived in the Strawberry-Keith Hernandez-Lenny Dykstra clubhouse 25 years ago.


As Warner Wolf would say; "you could have turned your sets off there"

metirish
May 26 2010 06:32 AM
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This is hilarious.......


And after every game, Hernandez would sit at his locker, pulling hard on a cigarette, finishing off the Budweisers that’d been placed in an iced bucket, the long necks sticking out like baby chicks emerging from their shell.



jeez , how lame is that line....

Edgy DC
May 26 2010 07:09 AM
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Backman comes from an era when clubhouse humor wasn’t just unfiltered, it could be cruel. Strawberry once said Dave Magadan, whom he considered too soft as Hernandez’s heir apparent at first base, had, “too much sugar in his blood.”

I'm stunned. Stunned that Strawberry would say something so cruel and stunned that Klapisch would repeat it. Doesn't he know children read his paper?

Willets Point
May 26 2010 07:49 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Valadius wrote:
I'm almost positive Wright is one of the culprits here.


Based on?


Look at the picture that goes with the article.

See! It's Wright who is doing the complaining.

Edgy DC
May 26 2010 11:14 AM
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Francoeur: No problem with Strawberry
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Former Brave Jeff Francoeur was identified by some New York media as being upset over a "pep talk" given by former Met Darryl Strawberry, but "Frenchy" says nothing of the sort is true.


(Click to enlarge)
Former Brave Jeff Francoeur (right) was
identified by some New York media as
being upset over a "pep talk" given by
former Met Darryl Strawberry (left), but
"Frenchy" says nothing of the sort is true.


"It's not like he just let us have it," Francoeur, who was traded to the Mets last year and has been struggling at the plate after a fast start, told the New York Daily News. "He wanted to let us know that we're better than we were playing and that we need to do better. It's not a big deal. It's not like he came in (cursing) at the whole clubhouse," the former Parkview High School star said.

"If it was some Joe Blow coming in and saying it, yeah," he added, when asked if he had a problem with it.

"Shoot, my dad has jumped me 75 times harder than that before," Francoeur told the Daily News. "I can take criticism and I can use advice. At no point did I take exception to it."

Strawberry played 17 years, helping the Mets to a World Series championship in 1986 and the Yankees to three World Series titles in 1996, 1998 and 1999. His career was often spectacular and often tumultuous, marred by drugs and other off-the-field problems.

He delivered his pep talk last week while the Mets were in Washington.