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Chat with Adam Rubin

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 01 2010 09:48 AM

http://espn.go.com/newyork/chat/_/id/32 ... adam-rubin Mike Pelfrey or Die has a question in the queue

A Boy Named Seo Jun 01 2010 09:55 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

The French Eyes got a question in, too about a now seemingly useless guy in the bullpen not named Oliver Perez.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 01 2010 09:56 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

As does "Ryotis Day and the Knights."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 01 2010 09:59 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

as does Le Grande Orange Julius

A Boy Named Seo Jun 01 2010 10:13 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

as does Shea Guevara from Argentina.

HahnSolo Jun 01 2010 10:17 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

clever names being ignored so far.

A Boy Named Seo Jun 01 2010 10:19 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

My questions about Nieve and Carter have more or less been hit upon by other, more boring sounding question-askers. PS - "Ryotis" sounds kinda dirty when the rest of the name is left out.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 01 2010 10:20 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Yup. I got right in with my question on Mejia by using my real name.

Ashie62 Jun 01 2010 10:20 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

He's only taking "real" names. I see Michigan got in, I'm waiting

Ashie62 Jun 01 2010 10:22 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Looks like FAFIF got in

A Boy Named Seo Jun 01 2010 10:23 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

"MrMet" Johnson from NY and "scoopcoop" Smith from NJ both got in with their clearly very real names, so I'm holding out hope.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 01 2010 10:29 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Got in twice!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 01 2010 10:30 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Got in twice! Dirty non fake name user.

A Boy Named Seo Jun 01 2010 10:35 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

If he's picking and choosing, why even bother with shit like this: Ryan (NYC) Wouldn't it make sense to, I don't know, give Wright/Bay/Pagan more at-bats than Alex Cora? Adam Rubin I certainly think there's a case to be made for maximizing the at-bats of the best hitters.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 01 2010 10:37 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

He really seems to enjoy questions to which he can give coy, vaguely-smirky answers. (Although, to his credit, he "mea culpa"ed on the Mejia matter.) metsguyinmichigan wrote: Got in twice! What, you think you're better than me? (And by "me," I mean, "Jerry Automatic.")

Edgy DC Jun 01 2010 11:30 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Holy crap. I think I knew Rubin when I was a teenager.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 01 2010 12:19 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Hey submit your questions to Mr. Rock-the-Track-Suit [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 01 2010 12:47 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Hey submit your questions to Mr. Rock-the-Track-Suit [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/ DJ Swingers types like his second cup this morning was filled with old-school Robitussin.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 01 2010 01:01 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

And hey! Is there a sense in the organization that the team's road struggles at least in part reflect the passive game strategies employed by Jerry, particularly all the friggin bunting and the paranoid reliever use, and if so, is there anyone in the organization who can set Jerry straight? Thanks! Doesn't Manuel make comparable decisions during home games? Roasted, JCL. Socratically, yet. And oh, yeah-- in case you needed another reason to love the good Mr. Martino... he's wishing he was across town covering the real league: The only reason the Mets remain in any discussion about playoffs or the wild card is because they reside in NY...period. The underlying issue is not their geography (although that might be hurting them) but that they are lacking talent and have essentially gutted their farm system and have nothing to show for it in the hardward category. As I asked before...is it time to take an entirely different approach and simply start over? I think that the reason they are in the wild card discussion is simple: The league stinks. It would be difficult to advocate for or against a totally different approach without thinking through what that approach would be.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 01 2010 01:11 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

What a douchey nonanswer.

Edgy DC Jun 01 2010 01:29 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

What kind of obeserver thinks the Mets gutted their farm system? How? By trading Brian Stokes for Gary Matthews? Greg Veloz for Anderson Hernandez? Why do people who should know better keep saying stuff like this?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 01 2010 01:34 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Edgy DC wrote: What kind of obeserver thinks the Mets gutted their farm system? How? By trading Brian Stokes for Gary Matthews? Greg Veloz for Anderson Hernandez? Why do people who should know better keep saying stuff like this? The same sort of person who thinks that being the second team in a market which could feasibly bear 4-5 is an impediment?

Ceetar Jun 01 2010 01:58 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Might be time to unfollow that one on Twitter. What do i really need multiple beat reporters for anyway, particularly bad ones?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 01 2010 02:07 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Wait... what? Ryan (NYC) Doesn't Cora's option vest with 80 starts, not 80 appearances? It's bad enough with 80 starts, you're freaking me out with the 80 appearances thing Adam Rubin (12:22 PM) I asked Alex yesterday, and he confirmed to me it's 80 appearances for the contract to vest for 2011 -- not 80 starts. And that's exactly how the Associated Press carried the terms of the contract originally when he signed it. So... instead of it vesting with 80 starts-- a dumb vesting option, running counter to one's team interests-- the Cora deal was, in essence, a two-year contract for $4 million.

attgig Jun 01 2010 02:12 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

interesting. someone mentioned cot's said it was 80 starts for cora. Now cot's is showing 80 games.

Ceetar Jun 01 2010 02:15 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: So... instead of it vesting with 80 starts-- a dumb vesting option, running counter to one's team interests-- the Cora deal was, in essence, a two-year contract for $4 million. That depends on if Jerry is using him how Omar intended/expected. He's not exactly the most awesome of pinch hitters, so if he got the 25 or so starts this year that Castillo didn't, plus pinch hit in a third of the other games (as roughly the third choice off the bench) that still would leave him a decent amount short of 80, even factoring in a couple of extra-long games in which everyone gets in and what not. The real issue here is that Castillo says he can play through the injury, and Jerry disagrees and _starts_ Cora 30% or more of the games, practically vesting his option that way.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 01 2010 02:31 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

He's on pace for about 95 now, and Castillo's circling the DL drain. attgig wrote: interesting. someone mentioned cot's said it was 80 starts for cora. Now cot's is showing 80 games. I'd imagine that one of the chattees-- or Adam himself-- emailed the site to inquire.

Ceetar Jun 01 2010 02:41 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: He's on pace for about 95 now, and Castillo's circling the DL drain. attgig wrote: interesting. someone mentioned cot's said it was 80 starts for cora. Now cot's is showing 80 games. I'd imagine that one of the chattees-- or Adam himself-- emailed the site to inquire. Depends who you ask, if Castillo's circling the DL drain. (what, not everyone's on the same page? shocker) Maybe Daniel Murphy keeps Cora from vesting? (Doubtful, giving Jerry's feelings about the two of them)

Frayed Knot Jun 01 2010 03:15 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Maybe Daniel Murphy keeps Cora from vesting? (Doubtful, giving Jerry's feelings about the two of them) Should I ask what Jerry's feelings for Cora & Murphy are and where/how those were made known or is the answer going to confuse me more than if I let it slide?

attgig Jun 01 2010 03:19 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

well, it's not only castillo's foot, but the combination of the foot and reyes' thyroid that'll most likely get Cora his 2011 cashed in. that was a good 20ish games that wasn't necesarilly expected at the time of the contract. that said, the contract was still a bad idea from the beginning.

Ashie62 Jun 01 2010 03:44 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Cora has earned the money

Gwreck Jun 01 2010 03:51 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

I'd still rather have Felipe Lopez and his .818 OPS than Cora's .585.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 01 2010 03:57 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Cora has earned the money ... With his: A) .234 BA B) .312 OBA C) .314 SLG D) .286 wOBA (with average for a middle-infielder being in the high .320s so far this year) E) 4 XBH in nearly 100 PA F) Slightly-better-than Castillo-level range?

attgig Jun 01 2010 03:58 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Gwreck wrote: I'd still rather have Felipe Lopez and his .818 OPS than Cora's .585. but Coras VLCI* is at .935 while Felipe's is only at a .610 Veteran Leadership & Clubhouse Influence

duan Jun 02 2010 03:21 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

the problem with Cora is Jerry putting him at the 2 slot just because that's what his brain tells him is the perfect place for a guy who "knows what to do" with the bat. Is it not obvious to anyone that we should be going Reyes, Pagan followed by some form of Bay/Wright/Davis followed by Catcher/RF (order dependent on groove) then 2b

Edgy DC Jun 02 2010 05:21 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Yes, but, being honest with myself, I think that lineup wouldn't change things so much besides forcing Pagan to stoically receive and obey Chip Hale's bunt signals.

duan Jun 02 2010 07:03 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

yes, that's probably true. Do you reckon if they moved Wright to the 2 hole (which was mentioned) they'd have him bunt every time Jose was on base too?

Edgy DC Jun 02 2010 07:09 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Nope. Not so much. Wright is established as a name-brand run-producer. Castillo is established as a small-ball practitioner. Pagan, not fully established on either track, would likely end up with the assignment that Jerry associates as specific to the batting order position. So say I, anyhow.

Ceetar Jun 02 2010 07:10 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Frayed Knot wrote: Maybe Daniel Murphy keeps Cora from vesting? (Doubtful, giving Jerry's feelings about the two of them) Should I ask what Jerry's feelings for Cora & Murphy are and where/how those were made known or is the answer going to confuse me more than if I let it slide? You should probably let it slide, because you're not going to take my observations seriously. But it's my opinion that Jerry wouldn't play Murphy over Cora very often unless Murphy really forced the issue with some power numbers, which isn't out of the question either.

Edgy DC Jun 02 2010 07:22 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

That wouldn't strike me as particularly personal, but rather partiality to middle infielders with experience as middle infielders

Frayed Knot Jun 02 2010 07:55 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

I'd take them seriously if they were based on something real - but if the answer is along the lines of 'Jerry hates Murphy because ... er, because he does' then, yeah, I'm probably not.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 02 2010 11:10 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Jerry's not gonna play Chris Carter over Cora either, no matter the power numbers. What's the point? Other than that it's gonna be Jerry's fault if Cora vests and Jerry's fault if Cora doesn't vest because if Cora doesn't vest, it means that Castillo is playing and that's also Jerry's fault. Plus Castillo's hurt so there's that and that's Jerry's fault because if Jerry didn't personally come to all of our homes to tell us what the team's plan is for dealing with Castillo's injury, then that means that there is no plan and that's Jerry's fault. Not having a plan to heal Castillo means that Jerry caused the injury in the first place. Jerry also spilled all that oil that everyone's talking about.

Edgy DC Jun 02 2010 11:14 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

GAH! I knew it.

Ceetar Jun 02 2010 11:44 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Edgy DC wrote: That wouldn't strike me as particularly personal, but rather partiality to middle infielders with experience as middle infielders Still represents a disconnect between Omar and Manuel. If the Mets 'plan' with Murphy is a utility guy and specifically 2B given what he's doing right now, and they put him on the Mets roster in that role, and Manuel chooses not to use him, or to use him differently?

Edgy DC Jun 02 2010 11:54 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

But we're in an entirely speculative realm here. We have no idea how excited Omar Minaya is to get Murphy in at second, or if he's more or less-so than Manuel.

Ceetar Jun 02 2010 12:03 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Edgy DC wrote: But we're in an entirely speculative realm here. We have no idea how excited Omar Minaya is to get Murphy in at second, or if he's more or less-so than Manuel. I guess it's speculation, although it does seem widely reported that they're going with the super-sub type role for him. And he played 2B last night. And the other positions are pretty well nailed down. Guess they could be just doing it to raise his overall value as a utility guy for a possible trade. who really knows what the overall plan is with him.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 02 2010 12:12 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Edgy DC wrote: But we're in an entirely speculative realm here. We have no idea how excited Omar Minaya is to get Murphy in at second, or if he's more or less-so than Manuel. Speculative? I’ll say! Why we don’t even know if Murphy … you know … can even play 2B. Though I have a feeling that someone’s gonna figure out how to blame Jerry for that, as well. “Why should Murphy report to Buffalo? How does Murphy know that while he’s in Buffalo, Jerry isn’t gonna sublet Murph’s Long Island apartment to a family of goat herders and their nine goats without Jerry guaranteeing not to? And how can Murphy be sure that after playing a game at second for Buffalo, Jerry won’t promote him right back to the big club and insert him into his god-given entitled-to cleanup spot in the batting order? If I was Murphy, I’d insist on learning 2B in the big leagues. This is all Jerry's fault.”

Edgy DC Jun 02 2010 12:17 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

I think he's being prepared for a super-sub role, and he may see time here, or maybe there, but where he gets in isn't necessarily personal. None of us know how well he's going to be able to do at second, or how much opporutnity he'll get. It's all so pre-emptive. Murphy got into 155 games last season (tops on the team, even more than Feliciano). He has twice been given starting jobs at positions that he played little of in the minors. He was inserted into the lineup at one of those positions in the midst of a pennat race after coming up from AA. All this has happened under Manuel. Given a chance to take some at-bats away from Murphy against lefties, Manuel publickly stated that he'd rather take them away from Ryan Church, because Murphy was too good a young player to get tracked into a platoon role. Jerry Manuel disappoints me on a near-daily basis, yet I can't see a doodle of this evidence that he's got a problem with Murphy.

Ceetar Jun 02 2010 12:51 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

Edgy DC wrote: I think he's being prepared for a super-sub role, and he may see time here, or maybe there, but where he gets in isn't necessarily personal. None of us know how well he's going to be able to do at second, or how much opporutnity he'll get. It's all so pre-emptive. Murphy got into 155 games last season (tops on the team, even more than Feliciano). He has twice been given starting jobs at positions that he played little of in the minors. He was inserted into the lineup at one of those positions in the midst of a pennat race after coming up from AA. All this has happened under Manuel. Given a chance to take some at-bats away from Murphy against lefties, Manuel publickly stated that he'd rather take them away from Ryan Church, because Murphy was too good a young player to get tracked into a platoon role. Jerry Manuel disappoints me on a near-daily basis, yet I can't see a doodle of this evidence that he's got a problem with Murphy. Well, we know Church is basically the anti-christ based on stepping a few inches to the left of where he should've, so Murphy always would look good by comparison. Maybe it was the basic platoon with a washed up pathetic DH in LF weeks before Manuel said Murphy is not a LF and he doesn't know if he can play 1B, followed by saying he'd have to play him there for a while to get him used to it, and thenplaying him I think it was twice, before giving him a 'rest'. or playing Tatis who at the time was averaging more outs than PA. And then using Murphy as a PH against lefties anyway. So if Murphy gets a couple of weeks at 2B and is deemed fit by the rest of the Mets oragnization, what would Manuel do? Because based on the way he does things, I'm not so sure he _would_ play Murphy. But I guess what we really need to know is if he plays second, does he bat second, and if plays third oen day, does he b at fifth?

Edgy DC Jun 02 2010 01:04 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

I'm really confused.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 02 2010 01:10 PM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

This whole arc of discussion got tiresome a long while ago.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 29 2010 09:58 AM Re: Chat with Adam Rubin

12 noon. Johnny from Brooklyn wants to know how likely the Mets would be to considering a Beltran trade and how willing Beltran would be to leave. [url]http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chats