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Johnny Dickshot Oct 04 2005 04:15 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 04 2005 04:38 PM

Did Jaret Wright make the MFY squad? If not, today's starter Matt Clement would be the only Benson Buncher to reach the postseason. He opposes Jose Contreras. This game is just getting underway.

metirish Oct 04 2005 04:36 PM

White Sox up 1 to zip ]Matt Clement pitching for Boston BOS CHW S Podsednik hit by pitch. 0 0 T Iguchi sacrificed to catcher, S Podsednik to second. 0 0 J Dye hit by pitch. 0 0 S Podsednik stole third. 0 0 P Konerko grounded into fielder's choice to third, S Podsednik scored, J Dye out at second. 0 1 C Everett singled to right, P Konerko to second.

KC Oct 04 2005 04:39 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 04 2005 04:45 PM

Clement is getting lit up in the first ugly ugly ugly.

Rotblatt Oct 04 2005 04:43 PM

I wonder how many Red Sox fans wish they had Steve Trachsel right now? "Oooh, we're too good for Steve Trachsel! Oooh, he pitches in the icky National League! He must suck!" Stupid sons of bitches. For posterity, Clement gives up a ribbie single to Rowland, then a 3-run homer to Pierzynski. Sox down 5-0.

Valadius Oct 04 2005 04:45 PM

Hey!!!!! IT'S MIKEY TALKING!!!! "What's your philosophy, Rick, when you're a pitcher up 5-0, top of the 2nd inning?" He asks good questions. Berman blows.

Elster88 Oct 04 2005 04:57 PM

Red Sox White Sox AVG HR RBI AVG HR RBI Damon, Johnny CF .316 10 75 Podsednik, Scott LF .290 0 25 Renteria, Edgar SS .276 8 70 Iguchi, Tadahito 2B .278 15 71 Ortiz, David DH .300 47 148 Dye, Jermaine RF .274 31 86 Ramirez, Manny LF .292 45 144 Konerko, Paul 1B .283 40 100 Nixon, Trot RF .275 13 67 Everett, Carl DH .251 23 87 Varitek, Jason C .281 22 70 Rowand, Aaron CF .270 13 69 Millar, Kevin 1B .272 9 50 Pierzynski, A.J. C .257 18 56 Mueller, Bill 3B .295 10 62 Crede, Joe 3B .252 22 62 Graffanino, Tony 2B .309 7 38 Uribe, Juan SS .252 16 71 Clement, Matt P 13 - 6 4.57 Contreras, Jose P 15 - 7 3.61

Centerfield Oct 04 2005 05:33 PM

6-2 now as the BoSox attempt to make a game of it.

Rockin' Doc Oct 04 2005 07:30 PM

Rotblatt - "I wonder how many Red Sox fans wish they had Steve Trachsel right now?" I wonder how many of them wish they had Pedro back. Oh wait, he only pitched well this year because he was in the lowly National League.

Rockin' Doc Oct 04 2005 10:12 PM Ouch!! That's gonna leave a mark...

The White Sox gave the Red Sawx a major beat down in Game 1 of their series. The White Sox jumped on Boston starter Clement for 5 runs in the first inning and never looked back. White Sox 14 Red Sox 2

Frayed Knot Oct 04 2005 11:06 PM

I hope the Sox win the series. It'll be good to see Carlton Fisk's old team win. ]Did Jaret Wright make the MFY squad? No he didn't. We need a final 'Benson Bunch' update. I know Leiber & Lowe came on strong at the end while Clement most certainly did not.

Johnny Dickshot Oct 04 2005 11:10 PM

I'll do a BB update soon, but first there's that matter of a press release for the POTY. Does anyone know a good way to actually broadcast these releases? I only know where to find them, not how they got there.

Edgy DC Oct 05 2005 09:24 AM

Benson himself dragged his ass across the finish line. The final four to six weeks, to be truthful.

Rotblatt Oct 05 2005 09:50 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: I'll do a BB update soon, but first there's that matter of a press release for the POTY. Does anyone know a good way to actually broadcast these releases? I only know where to find them, not how they got there. IIRC, you'd send them to the sports editor at whatever paper you think might be interested, then harrass them by phone to try and get them to print it. I'd assume it's the same concept for sports websites. The big papers tend to get overwhelmed with press releases, but we might be able to find our way into a Notes column at some of the smaller papers . . . Most places issuing press releases put copies of them on their website somewhere vaguely prominent so that anyone browing can easily access them--we could do the same thing with an "Official Press Release" Forum . . . And the press release should contain infomation about CPF--how long it's been around, how many members, what its mission is, etc., as well as who to follow up with should they have any questions, with that person's title. And a logo. We should totally have a logo.

Edgy DC Oct 05 2005 09:56 AM

Is Bernard Gilkey still working for Sports Ticker? If he can run it, that's one source that others draw information from. Bryan Hoch is also a contributor to about a dozen different outlets.

Rotblatt Oct 05 2005 09:56 AM

Oh, and I don't know of any easy way of getting all the addresses/fax numbers of sports editors. I think organizations generally have one big push where they compile all the contact info of editors who might be interested, then update it as needed. So we'd have to identify the papers to target, then scout them to find the contact info--should be on their websites (assuming they have them) or buried in the physical paper somewhere.

seawolf17 Oct 05 2005 04:50 PM

Michael Kazich, Cubs fan, as quoted in USA Today Sports Weekly, as to whether he'd root for the White Sox in this series: ]"Not in a million (bleeping) years. Are you (bleeping) kidding? No true Cubs fan will ever cheer for the (bleeping) White Sox." Not even if they play the despised Cardinals? "I hate the (bleeping) Cardinals, but if they play the (bleeping) White Sox in the World Series, I'm cheering for the (bleeping) Cardinals," he says. "And that hurts to say that. But the (bleeping) White Sox are evil. Plain evil."

Yancy Street Gang Oct 05 2005 04:57 PM

And that's exactly the attitude that we should have towards the Yankees. If it comes down to Yankees-Braves, get me a tomahawk!

Edgy DC Oct 05 2005 08:36 PM

Yeah, but the White Sox aren't really evil. The Yankees are. I mean, maybe we should have his attitude. But should he?

MFS62 Oct 05 2005 08:41 PM

I wonder if the White Sox want to swap Japanese second basemen with the Mets? Theirs just went yard after Gafanino did his best Bill Buckner imitation. 5-4 Sox, of the Pale variety. Later

Rotblatt Oct 05 2005 09:51 PM

Pale Hose take a commanding 2-0 series lead. Graffanino pretty much cost them the game in the fifth. U-G-L-Y.

Frayed Knot Oct 05 2005 10:17 PM

Usually the stereotype in Chi-town is that White Sox fans hate the Cubs (smugness and a un-earned sense of entitlement and all that) but that Cub fans are fairly indifferent towards the ChiSox. That rant implies otherwise.

Yancy Street Gang Oct 06 2005 09:05 AM

="Edgy DC"]Yeah, but the White Sox aren't really evil. The Yankees are. I mean, maybe we should have his attitude. But should he? You're right. We should, but I don't quite understand why he does. Attention-wise, though not success-wise, the Cubs are more like the Yankees, and the White Sox are more like the Mets.

sharpie Oct 06 2005 09:09 AM

Which is exactly why we should be rooting for the White Sox here. I have to say, mrs. sharpie got all excited over the game last night and she hardly ever watches baseball. As I've mentioned before she grew up a disinterested White Sox fan but through my good graces is now a mostly disinterested Mets fan. For some reason, last night, we both got all het up bout the Pale Hose. Go figure, I've never cared a whit for them ever before.

Rotblatt Oct 06 2005 09:33 AM

Well, they're the underdogs, and if memory serves, they've played second-fiddle to the Cubbies, who perenially outspend them, for a long time. What's not to like for a Mets fan? Unless, of course, you also happen to be a quasi-Twins fan like me.

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2005 09:46 AM

I think many ChiSox fans are honked off about the fact that the Cubbies have received the lion's share of the national media attention in recent years (despite sucking about 75% of the time) and object to the assumed notion that they (Cubs) have always been the more popular team. Older fans can tell you about when Wrigley was often empty prior to the re-gentrification of 'Wrigley-ville' and the whole "Wrigley experience" becoming tres chic. Hence the mostly 'one-way' resentment. It's like some in the under-20 crowd in this town - and many outsiders as well, some of whom make their living telling others what to think - who have no concept that the Mets out-drew the Yanx more often then not until just a few years ago.

Willets Point Oct 06 2005 10:01 AM

I gained a fondness for the White Sox and White Sox fans at the one game I attended while in Chicago. For starters, I never feared that Sox fans would stick my head in the pee trough in the men's room.... Should the Pale Hose beat the Carmines, I will root for them in future series, but until then I'm all for Boston. As much as people blame Grafinino for the error, I still have an irrational hatred for David Wells and hold him responsible for the Red Sox loss.

Centerfield Oct 06 2005 01:14 PM

Epstein said after the game that Buckner never crossed his mind. Not once. Epstein is a friggin' liar. I was surprised to see Iguchi had hit 15 hr's this year for the Sox. I feel like he actually became what we were hoping Matsui would be. We got the wrong Japanese.

rpackrat Oct 06 2005 02:17 PM

]Graffanino pretty much cost them the game in the fifth Graffanino didn't give up the 3 run bomb to a middle infielder with little power.

MFS62 Oct 06 2005 03:10 PM

The early edition of the Daily News I saw this morning had the headline "Gaffe- anino". Cute. It was too early for the MFY game results. Later

KC Oct 07 2005 07:40 PM

Anyone who had White Sox in three, please bring your slips to window 3 to collect your winnings. Not all at once, everyone will get paid, single file please. Sheesh ... guess I'm going for the White Sox now. Nice job by Orlando Hernandez - hard to root for him though but I guess I am now.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 07 2005 08:15 PM

This has to be Sal's fault.

mlbaseballtalk Oct 07 2005 09:35 PM

Also the White Sox have never bitched and whined about some Billy Goat curse, or Babe Ruth curse, or anything about why they haven't won since 1917 Even though they have a legit reason why the Baseball Gods would be punishing the franchise Steve

Edgy DC Oct 07 2005 10:02 PM

Thanks for a fine year as champions, Red Sox.

Rotblatt Oct 07 2005 10:29 PM

I fucking loved the suicide squeeze call by Ozzie. I'm kind of happy about this, which surprises me a bit. I'm morally opposed to the White Sox as Twinkie rivals, but they'd be much more interesting to see in the world series than Anaheim, Boston or the Yankees (please, no, Jeebus!).

Johnny Dickshot Oct 07 2005 11:47 PM

The White Sox are definitely an interesting team. I'll have no problem getting behind them as they take on the next series.

smg58 Oct 08 2005 12:26 AM

They were the best team in baseball by far for four months, then kind of went on cruise control the rest of the way. Good pitching beats good hitting, no upset there. Sure I'm surprised by the sweep, but there's no reason to think that the better team didn't win. As far as rooting for them goes, well of course if they play the Yankees, but they do have Carl Everett. And will they let Timo run the bases if they make the WS?

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2005 09:25 AM

The Sox are dead, long live the Sox! ]I fucking loved the suicide squeeze call by Ozzie It was gutsy move I'll give him that. As it was they had bags-loaded/no outs and made 1 out already ... had that squeeze failed they would have almost certainly killed that inning and gotten zero runs out of it. I don't think I'd have had the guts to call it. Nice job by Finley. Was a bit torn watching El Ducky. He always annoyed me for no specific reason at all so I was torn between wanting him to get lit up (I at least wanted a longer series) and wanting him to look good as the current MFY staff falls apart. Same with Leiber down the stretch, and ditto Contreras, ditto Pettitte and ditto Cle ... um no, not Roger.

MFS62 Oct 08 2005 09:53 AM

I loved watching the Connecticut TV station news this morning. The sportscasters on the stations, and even the announcers, love their Sawks. A typical sportscast is: 1) Red Sox game tape 2) Red Sox Interview 3) Yankee game tape, then 4) MAYBE (depending on the station) they give the score of the Mets game (even though more than half of the population of the state lives closer to New York than it does to Boston) One time, one of the anchors asked the sportscaster the score of the previous night's Mets game. The sportscaster said "I don't know". Then, after the sports, the anchors talk about last night's Red Sox game before resuming the rest of the news telecast. Well fuck them. Fuck them all I loved the looks on their faces today. I really did. Later

mlbaseballtalk Oct 08 2005 10:45 AM

MFS62 wrote: I loved watching the Connecticut TV station news this morning. The sportscasters on the stations, and even the announcers, love their Sawks. A typical sportscast is: 1) Red Sox game tape 2) Red Sox Interview 3) Yankee game tape, then 4) MAYBE (depending on the station) they give the score of the Mets game (even though more than half of the population of the state lives closer to New York than it does to Boston) One time, one of the anchors asked the sportscaster the score of the previous night's Mets game. The sportscaster said "I don't know". Then, after the sports, the anchors talk about last night's Red Sox game before resuming the rest of the news telecast. Well fuck them. Fuck them all I loved the looks on their faces today. I really did. Later Thats the reason (well other than not dealing with the cheezy CT local commericials, SHUT UP BOB I'M NOT COMING ON DOWN TO BUY YOUR STUPID MATTRESS!) when I was at school in Fairfield University I would only watch the NYC affiliates over the CT affiliates for NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, WB and UPN Its one thing to be in Southern New England, but you are only A HOUR FROM BROADWAY! It seemed like it was Yanks/Red Sox all the time up there Steve

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2005 11:06 AM

I never really thought about it before ... but New England might be the one section of the country that's both a strong baseball area at the same time as having strictly an American League mindset. Think about it, the other sections of the country that have had a long and/or strong affiliation with baseball have either been NL country or at worst split. * NY - as much (if not more) NL as AL throughout the century * Wash/Balt - never really strong franchise histories and now no longer just AL * Chicago - split/leaning NL * Cleveland - good fan support ... but more football territory than baseball plus there's Reds fans towards southern Ohio and Pitt fans to the east. * LA - AL is just now grabbing the headlines after playing distant 2nd banana for 4 decades * Milwaukee - Once and eventual NL team who were anxious to switch leagues saying they "always felt like" an NL franchise even while in AL * Seattle/Dallas/Toronto/Tampa/Oakland - relative newbie towns w/o strong baseball identifications * Detroit & KC might be the best 'AL only' towns if only the cities (Det) and franchises (both) weren't so run down. So I'm afraid that Nutmegger Met fans are going to feel like secondary citizens for the foreseeable future. The whole of NE (5-1/2 states worth anyway) just views the bb world through a different prism than the rest of us.

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2005 11:12 AM

2 oddities from Boston this week: 1) 3 champagne celebrations in 6 days in Fenway. * Yanx on Saturday after winning division * BoSox on Sunday after clinching WC * ChiSox last night 2) Edgar Renteria ends (by my count) a 3rd post-season series: * grounded out for last out last night * grounded out against Boston to end World Series in '04 * "walk-off" single for Marlins to beat Cleveland in '97 WS I'll bet those are (weird) records.

Willets Point Oct 08 2005 12:25 PM

Connecticut in the 1980's was as blue & orange as New York City. I'm happy for the White Sox, but if they roll over and play patsy to the Yankees in the ALCS now, I'm going to be really pissed!

Johnny Dickshot Oct 08 2005 12:36 PM

Frayed Knot wrote: ]I fucking loved the suicide squeeze call by Ozzie It was gutsy move I'll give him that. As it was they had bags-loaded/no outs and made 1 out already ... had that squeeze failed they would have almost certainly killed that inning and gotten zero runs out of it. I don't think I'd have had the guts to call it. Nice job by Finley. I think you got your ALDS squeeze plays confused. Rott's referring to the 9th inning Chisox one and you the 7th inning Angels one. I hated the Angels call but at least they made the gaddamn play. What I was hoping for that inning was for Erstad to do some conventional damage but Al Leiter made Erstad look awful.

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2005 01:26 PM

Yeah you're right, I getting all my playoff baseball confused here. The ChiSox squeeze was a much better call since they already had the lead and it was late in the game where the extra run was HUGE!!!! The Angel one even though it "worked" still almost assured the fact that the LAAs would score just the one run out of a bags-loaded/no out situation (1 out by the time of the bunt). No doubt little-ball lovers will cite that as a winning factor even though playing it straight up may have resulted in more and the downside to failing there would have been HUGE for the MFYs. btw, when Eckstein squeezed home a run agin the Pads the other day the announcers mentioned that it was the 17th!!!! time LaGenius had called that this year (w/3 or 4 by Eckstein alone) and I think it was something like 14 times successful. Howie & Gary on the other hand grew fond of tracking the squeeze possibilities for Les Mets and the number of times Willie went ahead and employed it (17 times fewer than TLaR).

MFS62 Oct 08 2005 02:49 PM

"I never really thought about it before ... but New England might be the one section of the country that's both a strong baseball area at the same time as having strictly an American League mindset. " And St. Louis showed what they thought of AL baseball by driving the Browns (now Orioles for you young'ins) out of town. Of course, what the woeful Browns of the time were playing might not even have been classified as baseball. Later

Frayed Knot Oct 08 2005 05:26 PM

Yeah, that's the other thing about Boston/NE that I forgot to mention; that of all the "shared" cities (NY, Chi, LA, Philly, StL) they're the only one who decidedly went for the AL team over the NL. ]Connecticut in the 1980's was as blue & orange as New York City. Parts of it sure, but the other 5-1/2 states I doubt it. I guess the best way to put it is that New England is the one area of the country where they're so into baseball at the same time that much of it is so dismissive of an entire half of the league. It's like when Rizzutto was still announcing and he openly admitted that he paid no attention to the NL.

Edgy DC Oct 08 2005 11:08 PM

I wouldn't poo-poo Detroit, Kansas City, and Seattle's fan bases so much. On the other hand, many of Seattle's fans grew up Expo watchers, so they know about the whole pitcher-batting thingie.

ScarletKnight41 Oct 08 2005 11:16 PM

I wouldn't generalize from D-Dad. He watched the Expos because, in the pre-cable tv days, the CBC reception across the Straits of Juan DeFuca was better than the crappy reception from Seattle. Presumably fans in Seattle had better access to other programming.

Edgy DC Oct 08 2005 11:26 PM

There were Expo fans at one point across the entire northwest. I've met them from Montana, I've met them from Idaho, I've met them from Washington. The breadth of what once was Expos Nation (or Internation) is a story that needs to be well told.

mlbaseballtalk Oct 08 2005 11:55 PM

Edgy DC wrote: There were Expo fans at one point across the entire northwest. I've met them from Montana, I've met them from Idaho, I've met them from Washington. The breadth of what once was Expos Nation (or Internation) is a story that needs to be well told. I wonder what was the point that changed Montreal into the sad franchise that they'd became Several places I've seen labels the Carter for Hubie Brooks deal as a salery dump, could THAT have been the move? Then again they did make the Mark Langston trade Steve

Edgy DC Oct 09 2005 12:11 AM

It was a multitude of factors that unmade the Expos --- including bad ownership, bad MLB policies, and bad economic realities (this last exacerbated by the previous two factors). Montreal didn't make out so bad out of the Gary Carter trade. Speaking of that trade, check out Hubie Brooks's draft history. (See new thread.)

mlbaseballtalk Oct 09 2005 12:30 AM

Edgy DC wrote: It was a multitude of factors that unmade the Expos --- including bad ownership, bad MLB policies, and bad economic realities (this last exacerbated by the previous two factors). Montreal didn't make out so bad out of the Gary Carter trade. Speaking of that trade, check out Hubie Brooks's draft history. (See new thread.) True, it wasn't a Seaver/Hernandez-esque rip off where the team is sending some hastily thrown together package just because they are about to land a Franchise player but it was labeled as a flat salary dump. I forget the sources off hand (sure it was some long after the fact book like Amazin' or something) Steve