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IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Fman99 Jun 03 2010 04:33 AM

Welcome home Mets! And not a day too soon...

bmfc1 Jun 03 2010 05:01 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

We might have 3 new, or newish, Mets by 7:10 on Friday: Ruben Tejada or Justin Turner for Castillo (DL) Jesus Feliciano up with GMJ (hopefully) or Carter (getting stale on the bench) gone Niese (for Saturday) activated and Perez (hopefully) or Valdes gone.

Edgy DC Jun 03 2010 07:28 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Can somebody give me a Justin Turrner tutorial? All I know about him is, well, that terrible movie he did with Hooch.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 03 2010 07:30 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

What, no state facts? :) Let's go Mets!

bmfc1 Jun 03 2010 07:31 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

NY State Fact: There's New York. And there's everywhere else. That's a fact! (Written by someone currently in DC.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2010 07:33 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

KC & JCL meeting for this one at McFadden's at 6 (or earlier). Come out and have a Dickey on me.

Willets Point Jun 03 2010 07:54 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="Fman99"]Welcome home Mets! And not a day too soon...

Home. The Mets 2010 rally song.

Let's hope lots of base runners touch home for the Mets as well.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 03 2010 09:40 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

batmagadanleadoff Jun 03 2010 10:00 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Here are the combined 2009 and 2010 totals and rates for HR's hit at Citi Field by the Mets and their opponents v. HR's hit on the road by Mets and their opponents: Citi Field --- 163 HR/109 games = 1.50 HR/game Road --- 182 HR/107 games = 1.70/HR/game So far, Citi Field suppresses HR's overall, despite last season's splits to the contrary -- even though the team's decision to lower the height of the CF wall should logically increase the Citi Field HR rate.

Gwreck Jun 03 2010 11:45 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="batmagadanleadoff":3s74pxns]even though the team's decision to lower the height of the CF wall should logically increase the Citi Field HR rate.[/quote:3s74pxns] Maybe if they lowered it all-around but it was a pretty small section that actually was lowered.

Nymr83 Jun 04 2010 01:38 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

its also not the same team, not the same opponents, and a small sample size, especially when you are talking about comparing one year to 2 months instead of looking at everything together. oh, and if it does kill homers? i'm ok with that.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 04 2010 02:35 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="Nymr83"]its also not the same team, not the same opponents... especially when you are talking about comparing one year to 2 months

But I'm combining, rather than comparing seasons. What I'm comparing is home performance to road performance. If for example, as you consider, the Mets opponents are tougher this year, then they should be equally tougher at home and on the road. But to the extent that "opponent toughness" is influenced by park effects should be reflected by the results of this comparison.

This is the best method to measure park effects, although the system isn't perfect. For example, because of inter league play, the Mets don't play the same road schedule from season to season. However, this discrepancy consists of no more than a few games per season and shouldn't have a significant effect on the data.

How do you propose to grow the sample size beyond 81 games without combining seasons?

and a small sample size, especially when you are talking about comparing one year to 2 months instead of looking at everything together

I agree about the small sample size. It'll take at least four seasons to have a reliable understanding of how Citi Field affects HR rates. This doesn't mean that we can't look at the data now and then. Again, I'm not comparing seasons.

[quote="Gwreck"][quote="batmagadanleadoff"]even though the team's decision to lower the height of the CF wall should logically increase the Citi Field HR rate.

Maybe if they lowered it all-around but it was a pretty small section that actually was lowered.

I agree, but the effect of lowering that portion of outfield wall on HR rates, even if small, would still be measurable over enough time. Hit tracker stats would be the ideal data to measure this particular effect.

Ashie62 Jun 04 2010 08:24 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

LETS

Willets Point Jun 04 2010 08:35 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Fman99 Jun 04 2010 09:15 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

bmfc1 Jun 04 2010 12:49 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Castillo to the DL. Ruben Tejada up.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 04 2010 12:50 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

What's the plan for Tejada and Cora? Who gets the most starts? Has anyone said?

bmfc1 Jun 04 2010 12:54 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish Edited 5 time(s), most recently on Jun 04 2010 03:11 PM

METS: Reyes-SS Pagan-CF Bay-LF Davis-1B Wright-3B Barajas-C Francoeur-RF Tejada-2B R.A. Dickey-P Marlins: Coghlan lf Sanchez 1b Ramirez ss Cantu 3b Uggla 2b Ross rf Maybin cf Hayes c Sanchez p

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 12:58 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 04 2010 01:13 PM

[quote="Benjamin Grimm":p3ioqf0b]What's the plan for Tejada and Cora? Who gets the most starts? Has anyone said?[/quote:p3ioqf0b] Close to a 50-50 split last time 'round, with JoseX4-- leaning more heavily Tejada's way as the [crossout:p3ioqf0b]month[/crossout:p3ioqf0b]week or so wore on-- right? [quote="Random Marlins-supporting DB":p3ioqf0b]SS H2R[/quote:p3ioqf0b] Really, guy?

Zvon Jun 04 2010 01:05 PM A question..

sorry,experiencing technical difficulties. If this jinxes the game I'm gonna cry like an ump.

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 01:08 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

You're welcome to try, but the site supports what it supports. I otherwise encourage linking.

Zvon Jun 04 2010 01:12 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC":231av19o]You're welcome to try, but the site supports what it supports. I otherwise encourage linking.[/quote:231av19o] Thank you. That was meant to be a PM. The comedic effect would be lost because as we all know, its timing. Timing baby. And the site makes you watch a commercial and stuff. F them. I'm not gonna feed their monster.

bmfc1 Jun 04 2010 01:49 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Omir is back. GMJ DFA'd. Why Omir? Since they didn't want Feliciano, then why not Hessman? Of course, GMJ is gone!

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 06:05 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Is nobody following this sucka? I just came home to see Jason Bay double home a run to make it 3-2, Marlins.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 06:18 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Just got back from another goodbye party for a colleague*. But was following along with Howie and Wayne. *Oh, this economy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 06:49 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

4 straight knucklers to Maybin notch the fourth Dickey-K of the night. Over the last three, he's been about as cruise-control as a knuckler can rightfully expect to be.

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 06:52 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Two more walks to Wright. Maybe June is his month. Can Barajas capitalize?

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 06:52 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

He can! Second and third and one out for Frenchbread. Do they go for him or Tejada?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 06:53 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 04 2010 06:55 PM

THROB'D AND FRENCH'D. Why pitch to Francoeur instead of loading 'em for lil' Ruben? Dunno. Don'care.

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 06:54 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

BAM! First pitch single for Frenchfries! Tie game. Barajas naturally stops as third. Tejada at the plate and MeJEEa warming in the pen.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 04 2010 06:54 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Frenchy sure has not sucked as much lately!

metsguyinmichigan Jun 04 2010 06:56 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

A productive out for Tejada!

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 06:57 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

TeJAda gets the RBI and Jerry (learn!) leaves Dickey in to bat for his own bad self.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 06:57 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

In the hole! Fielded, but thanks to Hanley Ramirez's superlative defense, a double-play ball becomes a lil' Ruben ribbie. And Dickey stays in. It's amazing what a ragged, sorta-terrible bullpen will do to a manager, isn't it?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 06:58 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

DICKEY'D! IN YO' FISHFACE!

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 06:59 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

If you believe Gameday, Sanchez is getting seriously squeezed by Brian Runge.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 07:01 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC"]If you believe Gameday, Sanchez is getting seriously squeezed by Brian Runge.

Oh, go pray to your robots, robot-worshipper.

Why, yes, I've been drinking. Why do you ask?

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 07:03 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":2vdn3kfw]And Dickey stays in. It's amazing what a ragged, sorta-terrible bullpen will do to a manager, isn't it?[/quote:2vdn3kfw] It was the right move. I'm more concerned with a what a ragged, sorta-terrible manager has done to his bullpen.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 07:04 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Jose works/is gifted a walk, and them bases is as drunk as I is. Can Pagan add an offensive highlight to go with his earlier nailage of Hanley at home?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 07:05 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC":jor8h58m][quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":jor8h58m]And Dickey stays in. It's amazing what a ragged, sorta-terrible bullpen will do to a manager, isn't it?[/quote:jor8h58m] It was the right move. I'm more concerned with a what a ragged, sorta-terrible manager has done to his bullpen.[/quote:jor8h58m] Oh, my tongue was practically through my cheek on that one.

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 07:12 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Surprised to see Mike Lamb pinch-hitting (and walking!) for the Fish. Didn't he play his way off the Bisons last year?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 07:18 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Crap. Did he just sprain that? It didn't look good.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 07:22 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Low throw from Fleesh on a potential inning-ending DP ball pulls JoseX4 off the bag, and gives him an (apparently-minor) ankle owie. This Week's Nieve Dessens gets H2R to pop out. We're through 7.

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 07:23 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Material culled from the vast cat-a-log of Jethro Tull... I need a nurse and this time not Steve!

Zvon Jun 04 2010 07:33 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC"]Material culled from the vast cat-a-log of Jethro Tull... I need a nurse and this time not Steve!

Your getting the Fan down there and I'm not here?
You bastage!

Fman99 Jun 04 2010 07:35 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC":c7gev9gg]Is nobody following this sucka? I just came home to see Jason Bay double home a run to make it 3-2, Marlins.[/quote:c7gev9gg] We've been watching since inning 1, but I can't IGT it up until the Fkids are abed.

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 07:37 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="Zvon"][quote="Edgy DC"]Material culled from the vast cat-a-log of Jethro Tull... I need a nurse and this time not Steve!

Your getting the Fan down there and I'm not here?
You bastage!
Through the interwebs.

Fman99 Jun 04 2010 07:38 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]THROB'D AND FRENCH'D. Why pitch to Francoeur instead of loading 'em for lil' Ruben? Dunno. Don'care.

Yer gonna get me in trouble!*

*(Boyoyoyoyoyoyong)

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 07:40 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Let's get a pad for Rodriguez.

Fman99 Jun 04 2010 07:41 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Elmer Dessens, have some Schaffer. You're the new 8th inning savior! (By virtue of not being overworked to death in April/May thanks to your being in the minors, unlike the rest of the gang).

Fman99 Jun 04 2010 07:42 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC"]Let's get a pad for Rodriguez.

Fman99 Jun 04 2010 07:47 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

And that's a 1.

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 07:50 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Let's go, K-Rod.

Fman99 Jun 04 2010 07:51 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Ugh, infield hit by ol Jesus-lovin Coghlan. And so it continues.....

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 07:53 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

K-rod getting squeezed too.

Fman99 Jun 04 2010 07:55 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Fugh.

Fman99 Jun 04 2010 07:57 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

AND EXHALE.

themetfairy Jun 04 2010 07:57 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Whew!

Gwreck Jun 04 2010 07:57 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Put it in the books!

Zvon Jun 04 2010 07:58 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

WOOT! K-Rod must be addicted to adrenalin.

metirish Jun 04 2010 07:58 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

WOW, Ramirez was less than hustling out of the box on that.....made the difference. I thought Wright had no chance with that.

Nymr83 Jun 04 2010 07:58 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

came home from work and slept through the game! go me!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 04 2010 07:59 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

I think I made a little weewee there.

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 07:59 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Yay! David Wright! Blesser of our marriage! ---Ms. Edgy

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 08:06 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Read Andy Martino's In-Game Live Blog from bottom to top. 9:57: David Wright's bounce throw bails out the closer. Mets win 4-3. First win over Florida since Opening Day. 9:55: K-Rod has put two in with two out, and now must face Mr. Hanley. 9:45: Here's K-Rod to try and close it, after blowing one on Wednesday. 9:38: Elmer Dessens, coming up big in the seventh and eighth inning. Hard to imagine the Mets would send him down tomorrow, with so many others struggling. 9:20: Feliciano allows a single to Coghlan, who was 1 for 3 with a strikeout against Dickey. But Elmer Dessens ultimately escapes the inning by getting Hanley Ramirez to foul out. 9:12: A long standing ovation after Manuel pulls Dickey with one out in the seventh. In comes Feliciano. 9:06: The bust himself, Angel Pagan, hits an unfortunate check-swing grounder to leave the bases loaded. 9:02: The walk to Reyes loads the bases with two out and ends Sanchez's evening in Queens. 8:58: So it looks like the old knuckleballer can hit a little. 8:56: Ruben Tejada's first major league RBI comes on a fielder's choice and gives the Mets a 4-3 lead. 8:54: Me and Dirt Dart, having a one-on-one chat for all y'all's benefit. 8:53: Francoeur, one of the most complicated bust-not a bust-bust-not a bust players in recent memory, continues his resurgence with an RBI single that ties the game 3-3. 8:46: Another fast inning for Dickey in the sixth. This one is tight heading into the late innings. 8:37: Jose Reyes stranded at second to end the fifth. Still 3-2 Marlins. Did you know the Mets are 1-6 this year against the Fish? Not the way to win a wild card. 8:28: Innings that begin with a walk issued to the opposing pitcher usually do not end well, but this one did for Dickey. He overcame a walk, fielder's choice and double to post a scoreless fifth. 8:24: Methinks Sanchez was safe at first, and the call was correct. 8:15: I have one commenter, certainly making this blog a bust. Dirt man, he looks like a knuckleballer. Hard to say. The thing was not fooling people for a while, now it appears to be. Dickey showed an ability to find the knuckler during a game on Sunday in Milwaukee, when he didn't have it at first. 8:09: Fast fourth for Dickey, now promoted to quasi-bust. 8:01: The Mets had two on and no outs, and Angel Pagan, who has been an abject failure, hits into a double play. Then Jason Bay doubles home Dickey to make it 3-2. 7:56: Whatever works. Dickey singles off first base, scoring Tejada. 3-1. 7:55: Ruben Tejada would have been a complete bust had he not doubled to lead off the third. 7:52: Dickey gets out of an inning that could have been much worse for him. Still 3-0. 7:49: Ramirez is out at the plate trying to score on a Jorge Cantu single. Angel Pagan throws him out. 7:46: Hanley Ramirez, batting with the bases loaded and no one out, proves himself to be a total bust. He bounced into what shoulda been a GIDP, but that other bust at first base dropped the throw. One run scored on the fielder's choice, another on the E3. 3-0 Fish. 7:38: Replays showed Wright was out at second on that fielder's choice. 7:35: Dickey got out of the inning. He was redeemed. 7:29: Cody Ross triples to deep center, and scores on Cameron Maybin's single. Dickey is officially a bust. 7:24: Ike Davis strikes out to end the first and strand Jason Bay at second. He is officially a bust. 7:15: That's a 1-2-3 first for R.A. Dickey, forging his own path in the Met knuckleball tradition that began with Bob Moorhead. 7:10: Hi there. My name is Andy Martino and I cover the Mets for the New York Daily News. Do you have a moment to look at the starting lineup for tonight's game? You do? Well, here it is. Jose Reyes - SS Angel Pagan - CF Jason Bay - LF Ike Davis - 1B David Wright - 3B Rod Barajas - C Jeff Francoeur - RF Ruben Tejada - 2B R.A. Dickey - RHP

Frayed Knot Jun 04 2010 08:22 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

He's forcing those 'bust' jokes a bit too much. Nice game. - the triple by Ross was the only really hard hit ball off Dickey. It then took a soft single to get him in and the two-run inning was mostly seeing-eye stuff and less than great defense ... but he gave up nothing beyond that. - nice defense by Wright but otherwise not so tight, especially around 2B and that goes for both teams. Nobody seemed to be able to get a good grip on the ball. Catchers too. -big ups to Dessens - Frankie's only problem (besides the usual walk) is that he's so out of position after he throws that he had no chance getting Coghlan after that swinging bunt. Mariano throws that guy out by two strides just on account of being in position. - Angel picked a bad day to have a bad day. Runners were all over the place during his ABs - Dickey looks like a pretty good all-around athlete

Zvon Jun 04 2010 09:16 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Re: Mr. Martino- Steve:"BOOK HIM DANNO. WORD MURDER ONE." Danno: "YOU MEAN BUST HIM STEVE?" Steve: "...I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE."

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 10:12 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

That looks like a pretty heavy weave for Hawai'i.

Edgy DC Jun 04 2010 10:32 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Leapfrog the oppsing Fishies puts the Mets in third place, 3.5 out. Atlanta tied up with the Dodgers now, so there's still a half game to see about.

Centerfield Jun 05 2010 04:57 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[old man] What is H2R? [/old man]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 05 2010 06:03 AM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

[quote="Frayed Knot":30ebzaef]He's forcing those 'bust' jokes a bit too much. Nice game. - the triple by Ross was the only really hard hit ball off Dickey. It then took a soft single to get him in and the two-run inning was mostly seeing-eye stuff and less than great defense ... but he gave up nothing beyond that. - nice defense by Wright but otherwise not so tight, especially around 2B and that goes for both teams. Nobody seemed to be able to get a good grip on the ball. Catchers too. -big ups to Dessens - Frankie's only problem (besides the usual walk) is that he's so out of position after he throws that he had no chance getting Coghlan after that swinging bunt. Mariano throws that guy out by two strides just on account of being in position. - Angel picked a bad day to have a bad day. Runners were all over the place during his ABs - Dickey looks like a pretty good all-around athlete[/quote:30ebzaef] Allow me to add -Fried baloney is the shizz

Kong76 Jun 05 2010 12:03 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

That fried bologna did look good, but I'll be sampling the Korean bbq chicken next time out there. We didn't realize that on top of the nice play by Wright and good finish by Ike that Ramirez was a slow poke out of the shoot and not hustling after doggin' on the Mets and their fans again. Good time, thanks for asking me. (I'm certain that Rusted Root played an instrumental version of Led Zep's No Quarter live (it came to me this morning) at like 1 1/2 speed but I can't find any evidence of that on the interwebs)

Edgy DC Jun 05 2010 01:00 PM Re: IGT Friday June 4th Mets vs. Fish

Angel picked a bad day to have a bad day. Runners were all over the place during his ABs. Angel has kind of fallen to earth since being slotted into the two-hole.