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At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

attgig Jun 02 2010 09:37 AM

even with all the crap everyone throws at the organization, Millwood and Wiggy would be open to playing for the mets.... yes, they're from baltimore, but still...not everyone hates us... http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/06/m ... ade+Rumors) Kevin Millwood and Ty Wigginton told Dan Martin of the New York Post that they are open to playing for the Mets if the Orioles become sellers. Though Hisanori Takahashi and R.A. Dickey have been effective for the Mets recently, the club may look for starting pitching depth later this summer. That idea that appeals to Millwood. "I woludn't mind pitching in New York," Millwood said. "It's a great city, but it's not really up to me whether I do or don't." That's not quite true, since Millwood has a limited no trade clause. If the 15-37 Orioles start selling, Millwood, who makes $12MM this season in the last year of his contract, would appeal to teams in search of veteran starters. Though he's still winless, the right-hander has a 3.89 ERA this year with 7.1 K/9 and 2.1 BB/9. Wigginton, who makes $3.5MM this year, is also in the last year of his contract. He has played first, second and third for the Orioles in 2010, but his versatility isn't his only appealing trait. The former Met has 13 homers already (partly since 25% of the fly balls he hits leave the park). Like Millwood, Wigginton would be open to playing in New York. "I absolutely loved playing there," he said. get wiggy, and don't let cora play another game until it's impossible for him to get to 80 games... PLEASE!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 02 2010 09:56 AM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

even with all the crap everyone throws at the organization, Millwood and Wiggy would be open to playing for the mets.... yes, they're from baltimore, but still...not everyone hates us... http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/06/m ... ade+Rumors) Kevin Millwood and Ty Wigginton told Dan Martin of the New York Post that they are open to playing for the Mets if the Orioles become sellers. Though Hisanori Takahashi and R.A. Dickey have been effective for the Mets recently, the club may look for starting pitching depth later this summer. That idea that appeals to Millwood. "I woludn't mind pitching in New York," Millwood said. "It's a great city, but it's not really up to me whether I do or don't." That's not quite true, since Millwood has a limited no trade clause. If the 15-37 Orioles start selling, Millwood, who makes $12MM this season in the last year of his contract, would appeal to teams in search of veteran starters. Though he's still winless, the right-hander has a 3.89 ERA this year with 7.1 K/9 and 2.1 BB/9. Wigginton, who makes $3.5MM this year, is also in the last year of his contract. He has played first, second and third for the Orioles in 2010, but his versatility isn't his only appealing trait. The former Met has 13 homers already (partly since 25% of the fly balls he hits leave the park). Like Millwood, Wigginton would be open to playing in New York. "I absolutely loved playing there," he said. get wiggy, and don't let cora play another game until it's impossible for him to get to 80 games... PLEASE! Well, yeah, they're open to New York. They're playing in Baltimore. And I doubt that they grab Wiggy now-- the Mets could have had him for no more than the financial cost this past winter/spring, and passed.

Edgy DC Jun 02 2010 09:57 AM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

I would hope the Mets' manager doesn't manage the team either to trigger or avoid a vesting option. The sky won't fall either way.

smg58 Jun 02 2010 10:02 AM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

I would imagine that any veteran on the Orioles would take a one-way ticket anywhere at this point. Wigginton has always been streaky, and he's just had the best two months of his career. I've always liked him, but we'd be buying very high.

attgig Jun 02 2010 10:10 AM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

i don't think that buying high for wiggy wouldn't be that huge of a difference in terms of what the O's would demand vs buying low... I think Millwood would be pretty good addition if one of the three guys falters/gets hurt. great peripheral numbers and eats up innings. we'll see though. probably to early to talk trade so far...

Ceetar Jun 02 2010 10:22 AM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

I think players in general don't buy into a lot of the media hype/storylines around baseball. Like the doctor issue. Sure, the Mets had issues last year, but that didn't stop pitchers coming halfway across the country to have surgery with our guys, at the recommendation of former Yankees. (That was Nathan by referral of Pavano, btw) Make a situation attractive, whether it's money, or contention, or money, or whetever, and players will go wherever.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 02 2010 11:05 AM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

I don't get all the angst about Alex Cora either. Sure, he ain't all that, but his presence on, or absence from, the 2011 roster isn't going to make or break the team. If the Mets can replace him with someone better, then great, but he's just a backup infielder. If he's the biggest problem on the team, then they'll have a pretty darn good season.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 02 2010 11:48 AM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I don't get all the angst about Alex Cora either. Sure, he ain't all that, but his presence on, or absence from, the 2011 roster isn't going to make or break the team. If the Mets can replace him with someone better, then great, but he's just a backup infielder. If he's the biggest problem on the team, then they'll have a pretty darn good season. While Alex Cora's presence/absence doesn't make or break the team, Alex Coras-- the supporting cast-- are PRECISELY what make or break the team. Good year or bad year, David Wright will almost definitely produce offensive/defensive value that's well above major-league average for his position; ditto for Reyes, Bay, and a healthy Beltran. The difference between this squad and the 2006 one, or the current-/recent-vintage Phils (or, hell, the Nats, even) isn't what's up top-- it's what fills in the margins. Good-to-great teams get some value from the Stairses and the Costes and the Valentins and the Marlon Andersons, and they get it cheaply. Additionally, if he were the 25th man on the roster, and barely saw the field, I could more easily see your point. Instead, he starts every third game, and is on pace for 280-300 PAs. 300 PAs of a sub-.600 OPS and middling defense shouldn't run you $2 million in a buyer's market, and they shouldn't preclude you from trying out someone cheaper and/or better (whether internal, like Tejada, or external, like Lopez or Wigginton). Whatever intangibles he brings, they're not helping this team much in the win column, nor in the not-ratting-teammates-out-in-the-press column.

Ashie62 Jun 02 2010 12:59 PM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

Cora is not a part of the problem or solution. At this point I would have to question Omar's judgement in going into 2010 with a barely competitive pitching staff. Therin lies the issue that will make or break the Mets in 2010

Edgy DC Jun 02 2010 01:08 PM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

And I celebrate the pitching staff and how Minaya approached it this offseason. (I'm having a party Thursday night, in fact.) I bemoan only it's handling.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 02 2010 01:38 PM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

Ashie62 wrote: Cora is not a part of the problem or solution. At this point I would have to question Omar's judgement in going into 2010 with a barely competitive pitching staff. Therin lies the issue that will make or break the Mets in 2010 Maybe it's just because I was a co-captain of the varsity Multi-Tasking team in high school (Go Fightin' Overachievers!), but I'm perfectly capable of questioning-- or lauding-- multiple things at once about this team. (Although when I try to do so after a bourbon or two in an IGT, the result is something more cursey than I'd like.) Anyway... point is, Alex Cora is a lot more patient in dealing with Joe Buck/Tim McCarver questions than I would be, and he played hurt last year, and bully for those things. He's also posting said sub-.600 OPS while pinch-hitting more often than Chris Carter (really!) and starting semi-regularly... with healthy thumbs. Edgy DC wrote: And I celebrate the pitching staff and how Minaya approached it this offseason. (I'm having a party Thursday night, in fact.) I bemoan only it's handling. I'm sorta here. But you couldn't have used another surer-thing starter?

Ceetar Jun 02 2010 01:54 PM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Edgy DC wrote: And I celebrate the pitching staff and how Minaya approached it this offseason. (I'm having a party Thursday night, in fact.) I bemoan only it's handling. I'm sorta here. But you couldn't have used another surer-thing starter? I was advocating for a 'surer-thing' starter with Niese likely replacing the injury guy. (probably Maine. was Maine. big surprise, but was also Niese.) I'm not so sure that Takahashi wasn't always that though. Misch too. Maybe even Mejia may have been considered a possibility for an injury replacement in June or July after he'd had the 2-3 months in AA like he was planned for.

Edgy DC Jun 02 2010 02:25 PM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I'm sorta here. But you couldn't have used another surer-thing starter? We bemoan expensive veterans. We yearn for expensive veterans. Expensive veteran junkies we. The national war college describes the still evolving and unpredictable landscape that their graduates will be asked to prosper in as the VUCA World. The acronymn comes from volatility, uncertainty, complexity, and ambiguity --- the forces set to undermine even the best of plans. So would I describe the forces that confront a pitching staff, and therefore advocate a broad, multi-resourced, flexible, adaptable, and mobile approach. Get me a handful of R.A. Dickeys instead of pounding all the buckwads down on Jason Marquis and I'm a happy little bee. Garner me a cartload of Takahashis instead of coughing up three precious future Mets and good old Yankee greenbacks for Derek Lowe and I'm a grinning idiot. A grinning idiot. And the giddiest part to me is that Nieses and Misches and the Gees all have plenty of room to break through that mix, as the Maines and Seos have before them. Shazaam! One door closes and another opens. With too much commitment to vets, there are these great boulders in the door. Now, send them into battle with Jerry, and I come back down to earth a little bit, but that's where I am.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 02 2010 03:01 PM Re: At least a couple of guys wouldn't mind playing for the mets

Edgy DC wrote: Now, send them into battle with Jerry, and I come back down to earth a little bit, but that's where I am. That's the main reason I could have used a vet-- we're following Pickett's dumb cousin into battle here. Otherwise... like I said, I'm with you.