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Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2010 09:42 AM

Posted on Facebook's UMDB page: Jamie Moyer yesterday became the oldest pitcher ever to beat the Yankees. Like anyone cares! Here's something more important: Can you name the oldest pitcher ever to beat the METS? Hint, it's NOT Jamie Moyer. When Moyer beat the Mets on May 2, he was 47 years, 165 days old. Our trivia answer was 48 years and 20 days old when he got a win over the Mets. Who was he? Exclusive to the Crane Pool Forum: 1. Who was the youngest pitcher ever to beat the Mets? (He was 18 years, 276 days old.) He was one of only eight distinct teenagers ever to get a win over the Mets. (Some of them had multiple wins; the Mets have lost 17 games to teens.) The Mets haven't lost a game to a teenager since 1973, by the way. The following height and weight questions are unofficial... actual heights and weights are very hard to verify, especially weight. 2. Who was the tallest pitcher ever to beat the Mets? 3. Who was the shortest pitcher? 4. Who was the heaviest? 5. Who was the lightest?

Edgy DC Jun 17 2010 09:47 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

1. Larry Dierker 2. Randy Johnson 3. Billy Wagner 4. David Wells 5. Kent Tekulve

Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2010 09:56 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Dierker is correct. He was 18 years, 276 days old when he beat the Mets on 6/25/1965. Randy Johnson is close, but you're an inch off. I have him at 6' 10", and there's a 6'11" guy who's beaten the Mets twice. Wagner, Wells, Tekulve, all wrong. (The lightest guy and the shortest guy, I should say, are the same guy.)

Edgy DC Jun 17 2010 10:00 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

I guess I didn't give Teek enough credit for height. BB-R lists him as 6'4" 180.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 17 2010 10:00 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Mark Hendrickson being the tall guy. Lightest... hmmm.. Pedro Martinez? Heavyest ... Terry Forster ... or Rick Rueschel.

MFS62 Jun 17 2010 10:03 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Shortest/ lightest - El Roy Face? Later

Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2010 10:09 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Some broad hints: The heavy guy beat the Mets in the 1990's, and only beat them once. I have his weight at 265. There's a pitcher who beat them twice in 2009 who comes close, with 260. The tiny guy also had only one win against the Mets, and it was way back in the 1960's. And the tall guy (6'11") has two wins against the Mets, both within the last six years.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2010 10:10 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Also, feel free to guess who the eight teenagers were who beat the Mets. One beat them five times, one four, one three, and the other five once each. (A lot of numbers in that sentence.)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 17 2010 10:13 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Tall: Chris Young? Is Broxton the heavy runner-up?

Gwreck Jun 17 2010 10:20 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Tall: Jon Rauch? Isn't he almost 7 feet tall?

Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2010 10:21 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Nope, none of the above answers are correct. (Nobody's guessing the old guy; it was Hoyt Wilhelm, 8/15/1970, 48 years, 20 days.) The second-heaviest guy, at 260, is Sean West. Still looking for tallest, heaviest, and lightest/shortest. Also, we know that Larry Dierker beat the Mets as a teenager (four times!) but seven others also did. EDIT: Gwreck snuck in there with the correct answer for tallest: Jon Rauch at 6'11".

MFS62 Jun 17 2010 10:32 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Huh? Roy Face was listed as 5'8", 155. The only pitcher I ever remember being listed as shorter was Freddie Norman (5'7") and I'm not sure if he ever faced the Mets. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 17 2010 10:35 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

MFS62 wrote: Huh? Roy Face was listed as 5'8", 155. The only pitcher I ever remember being listed as shorter was Freddie Norman (5'7") and I'm not sure if he ever faced the Mets. Current Reds screwballin' LOOGY Daniel Ray Herrera checks in at 5'5" or 5'6", though I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a decision against the Mets.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2010 10:40 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

MFS62 wrote: Huh? Roy Face was listed as 5'8", 155. The only pitcher I ever remember being listed as shorter was Freddie Norman (5'7") and I'm not sure if he ever faced the Mets. Later Yeah, well, I got a guy who's 5'6", 142. And I just checked Baseball Reference, and they have him as even lighter!

Centerfield Jun 17 2010 11:00 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

142. Wow. That's Rich Garces' leg.

TheOldMole Jun 17 2010 11:06 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Bobby Shantz?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 17 2010 11:10 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Centerfield wrote: 142. Wow. That's Rich Garces' leg. Well, yeah... before cooking.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2010 11:13 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

TheOldMole wrote: Bobby Shantz? DING! DING! DING! Bobby Shantz, at 5'6", 142 is the shortest and lightest pitcher to beat the Mets. For tallest we have Jon Rauch. Still missing the heaviest, so here's a hint: He was a Milwaukee Brewer when he beat the Mets and it was in the late 1990's. He also pitched against the Mets as a Phillie, a Giant, and an Expo, and was also an Astro, an Indian, an Angel, and suffered the indignity of ending his career as a Yankee.

TheOldMole Jun 17 2010 11:17 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Hey, I finally got one!

Ashie62 Jun 17 2010 11:33 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

John Hudek for heaviest?

Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2010 11:46 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Ashie62 wrote: John Hudek for heaviest? Nope.

HahnSolo Jun 17 2010 11:46 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

I looked it up. I have no memory of that guy being that big.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 17 2010 11:49 AM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

Same. Although, now that I know, I do remember him looking pretty big (if nowhere near that big) on a baseball card.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 17 2010 12:09 PM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.

The heavy guy is Jeff Juden. The UMDB has him at 265 pounds. Some other sources have him at the same weight, including Baseball Almanac and the Baseball Cube, Sports Illustrated, and ESPN. Others, such as retrosheet and Baseball Reference, have him at 245. One site, something called Pro Player Connect, has him at 290.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 17 2010 12:17 PM Re: Oldest, youngest, tallest, shortest, heaviest, lightest.