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metsguyinmichigan Jun 23 2010 08:25 AM

AP reporting, Edwin Robinson replacing him.

Edgy DC Jun 23 2010 08:30 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Ten Cranebucks say the autopsy shows residual Hanley Ramirez DNA.

TransMonk Jun 23 2010 08:34 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

I'd agree. For a guy who has managed a team of youngsters to a 3 games under .500 record over 3 and a half years, it sounds like he is getting the shaft.

Edgy DC Jun 23 2010 08:42 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Here's hoping the Orioles get off the pot and hire Valentine before the Fish do.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 23 2010 08:44 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Yup on the O's. They are playing .270 baseball, something needs to be done. I never had any real thoughts on Fredi Gonzalez good or bad, I guess he wasn't about to turn into the next Bobby Cox.

Ceetar Jun 23 2010 08:50 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yup on the O's. They are playing .270 baseball, something needs to be done. I never had any real thoughts on Fredi Gonzalez good or bad, I guess he wasn't about to turn into the next Bobby Cox. Except of course, for the rumors that he will be the replacement to Bobby Cox. ;-)

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2010 08:50 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Can't say I saw that one coming. I have no idea who Edwin Robinson is ... but here's to him anyway.

TransMonk Jun 23 2010 08:51 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: ...I guess he wasn't about to turn into the next Bobby Cox. Until next year, anyways. Speculation I've seen is that he is a candidate to replace Cox at the helm of the Bravos.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 23 2010 08:56 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

TransMonk wrote: I'd agree. For a guy who has managed a team of youngsters to a 3 games under .500 record over 3 and a half years, it sounds like he is getting the shaft. Lil' Joe Girardi was treated similarly following more onfield success (AND wearing down his rotation/pen with Torre-esque staffing patterns). Perhaps Fredi was a little short with, say, Loria's Labrador or something.

Edgy DC Jun 23 2010 08:57 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Frayed Knot wrote: Can't say I saw that one coming. I have no idea who Edwin Robinson is ... but here's to him anyway. Three-time Pulitzer winner. Wrote the poem that Paul Simon adapted as "Richard Cory."

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2010 09:01 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

I guess that makes him the first dead manager then ... well, since Art Howe anyway.

DocTee Jun 23 2010 09:22 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Speculation has the O's going for Buck Showalter. Gonzalez was a Cox disciple, no? With Ned Yost snatched up by KC, that's one logical replacement that ATL lost-- perhaps Fredi lands on his feet with the Braves? Would be good to see him there, shafting the Marlins 18 times per year. Loria is fast becoming Steinbrenner South. I find him insufferable.

MFS62 Jun 23 2010 09:31 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Edgy DC wrote: Ten Cranebucks say the autopsy shows residual Hanley Ramirez DNA. CSI-Miami couldn't comment on it until David Caruso took off his sunglasses. Later

Benjamin Grimm Jun 23 2010 09:39 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

It looks like the Marlin's manager's last name is Rodriguez, not Robinson: ESPN wrote: The Florida Marlins have fired manager Fredi Gonzalez, bench coach Carlos Tosca and hitting coach Jim Presley, the team said Wednesday. The team said Edwin Rodriguez had been named interim manager, with Brandon Hyde and John Mallee the interim bench and hitting coaches, respectively. The Palm Beach Post first reported the firing. Rodriguez has been managing the Marlins' AAA affiliate in New Orleans since the beginning of last year.

Edgy DC Jun 23 2010 09:42 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Can you imagine a more going-nowhere job than "interim bench coach"?

MFS62 Jun 23 2010 09:52 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Edgy DC wrote: Can you imagine a more going-nowhere job than "interim bench coach"? Lindsay Lohan's rehab counsellor. Later

Edgy DC Jun 23 2010 09:54 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Enough.

metsguyinmichigan Jun 23 2010 12:09 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Reports are that Bobby V has withdrawn his interest in the Orioles job.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 23 2010 12:31 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Reports are that Bobby V has withdrawn his interest in the Orioles job. Kinda like watching your ex date, isn't it? Only your marriage isn't what it used to be, and though things are relatively sunny right now, you find yourself constantly wondering whether you're with the wrong person.

G-Fafif Jun 23 2010 12:37 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Gonzalez was a dismal manager. The Marlins should have been taking a big step forward this year and Fredi was no help whatsoever motivationally (losing Hanley, though he seems to want to be lost) or strategically. Recall the way he managed against the Mets on the final Sunday of our last series with them, plucking Nolasco with a four-run lead in the sixth and 82 pitches pitched and playing for a DP in the eighth with the go-ahead run on third and nobody out. Gonzalez got his double play and the Mets got their winning run. Other than the owner's capriciousness, I never understood why Girardi was fired down there. He's the one who did the sensational job with an undermanned team in 2006. He was MFY mgr in waiting, I suppose, but he should have been given a chance in Florida to continue what he started. They would have taken more games seriously than just the final game at Shea every year. Wow, I hate the Marlins.

G-Fafif Jun 23 2010 12:48 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Reports are that Bobby V has withdrawn his interest in the Orioles job. This from Heyman, a few days ago. Ex-Mets managers of all vintage are in rumored favor in Baltimore. In contrast to their roster of mostly underachieving kids, the Orioles have assembled a list of experienced, accomplished managers as prime candidates to replace the recently fired Dave Trembley for what might be the hardest job in sports, what one baseball executive called a "hell". Internally, even Davey Johnson has been mentioned along with other fellow ex-managers Bobby Valentine, Buck Showalter, Bob Melvin and Eric Wedge. Johnson, who took the Orioles to the playoffs in 1996 and '97 but hasn't managed in the majors since 2000, is surely the most intriguing new name of the group. But Melvin, who managed the Diamondbacks, Showalter (Yankees, D-backs and Rangers), and Wedge (Indians) are all more likely to accept an offer. Melvin is said to have a positive connection to Orioles owner Peter Angelos from Melvin's playing days in Baltimore from 1989-91. Johnson and the more sought-after Valentine, who managed the Rangers and Mets before going on to a successful stint in Japan, would seem to be long shots to join the Orioles. No chance in hell on Johnson, I assume, given his history with Angelos, his long time out of big league dugouts and the fact that he's not an easily harassed hack. But when I first heard it, I shuddered for the simple reason I don't want him to miss his induction into our Hall of Fame on August 1. But if Jack McKeon could resurface twice in his latter years, guiding the Reds to a one-game playoff and the Marlins to a world championship, I suppose it's not out of the question that Davey's ML career might have another go. I take it the Orioles have been impressed with Mets managers dating back to the one who masterminded their defeat in October 1969.

soupcan Jun 24 2010 08:37 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Reports are that Bobby V has withdrawn his interest in the Orioles job. Kinda like watching your ex date, isn't it? Only your marriage isn't what it used to be, and though things are relatively sunny right now, you find yourself constantly wondering whether you're with the wrong person. Oh, totally. And now today, reading that Bobby V. has been or is going to be contacted for the Marlins job has me hand-wringing.

Edgy DC Jun 24 2010 08:44 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

For what it's worth, Johnson has said he's square and friendly with Angelos now. I suspect whatever lures him back out won't be a complicated project like the O's, but I'd love to see him make a run for that second championship.

Centerfield Jun 24 2010 08:46 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

"Yes, I know it's a puzzling move considering the timing, but honestly, we didn't think we'd be any good and that there would be lots more opportunities to fire Jerry. That being said, he's still doing a shitty job and we just couldn't let Bobby go to Florida, so there you have it. Jerry out, Bobby will be in uniform tonight. I'll take questions now..."

Ceetar Jun 24 2010 08:49 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

soupcan wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Reports are that Bobby V has withdrawn his interest in the Orioles job. Kinda like watching your ex date, isn't it? Only your marriage isn't what it used to be, and though things are relatively sunny right now, you find yourself constantly wondering whether you're with the wrong person. Oh, totally. And now today, reading that Bobby V. has been or is going to be contacted for the Marlins job has me hand-wringing. I really don't see it. Is he really going to take a discount (no way they're paying him a premium right?) to manage a team that isn't overly concerned with winning unless it happens to fall in their lap?

Edgy DC Jun 24 2010 08:53 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

It's not like the Marlins don't have money. If they've been running on austerity budgets at times in the past, it's because they haven't had steady cashflow. Signing Hanley Ramirez to a six-year deal, and preparing to move into a new ballpark in Little Havana may signal that they're ready to act like grownups.

Ceetar Jun 24 2010 09:01 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Edgy DC wrote: It's not like the Marlins don't have money. If they've been running on austerity budgets at times in the past, it's because they haven't had steady cashflow. Signing Hanley Ramirez to a six-year deal, and preparing to move into a new ballpark in Little Havana may signal that they're ready to act like grownups. I'll believe it when I see it. The league yelled at them just this spring. It seems likely they've been turning a profit for years. Maybe they will indeed spend going forward, but i'm skeptical.

MFS62 Jun 24 2010 09:13 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Edgy DC wrote: ... preparing to move into a new ballpark in Little Havana may signal that they're ready to act like grownups. So, they fire a guy named Gonzalez and might replace him with a guy who's best second language is probably Japanese. I wonder if they would consider Lou Pinella, who may be available any day now. Later

seawolf17 Jun 24 2010 09:23 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Centerfield wrote: "Yes, I know it's a puzzling move considering the timing, but honestly, we didn't think we'd be any good and that there would be lots more opportunities to fire Jerry. That being said, he's still doing a shitty job and we just couldn't let Bobby go to Florida, so there you have it. Jerry out, Bobby will be in uniform tonight. I'll take questions now..." YESYESYESYESYES!

Ceetar Jun 24 2010 09:43 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

What number will Bobby wear? the normal #2? (I'm still annoyed, that forgetting he wore 2 cost me $130..grr)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 24 2010 11:40 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Now this is like watching your ex flirt with your next-to-worst neighbor. Sigh. I remember reading somewhere that Loria and he are buddies... although, given each's reported work style, I'm not so sure that such collegiality would extend to a business relationship. Nice park sketch, though. Can you digitally erase the people, so we can get a feel for what it'll be like f'real?

Edgy DC Jun 24 2010 11:42 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

I wouldn't take the Marlins inability to draw non-enemy crowds as a perpetual given.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 24 2010 11:51 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Did they draw crowds in 1997 and 2003?

Edgy DC Jun 24 2010 11:54 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

They were fifth out of 14 NL teams in 1997, but 15th out of 16 in 2003. But they beat the Yankees, so they certainly drew a lot of angels.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 24 2010 12:20 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Nice park sketch, though. Can you digitally erase the people, so we can get a feel for what it'll be like f'real? lol

metirish Jun 24 2010 06:35 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Heyman tweeting that Marlins people are saying "strong likelihood" Bobby will be manager.

Frayed Knot Jun 24 2010 07:30 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Seeing how the Marlins & Bobby aren't scheduled to speak until tomorrow that sounds a bit premature

metirish Jun 24 2010 07:35 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

ESPN reporting a four year offer will be made and accepted. Valentine they say loves the Marlins scoucting network and new stadium.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 24 2010 10:08 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Yeah, that sucks bhmc

The Second Spitter Jun 25 2010 01:33 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

The Genius will thrive in Miami. He'll be managing a team largely devoid of strong personalities (though, I predict Hanley Ramírez as the first contender for fist-cuffs in the dugout), local media that won't encroach on his sensitive nature, a GM who appears to prefer appeasement to confrontation, and he'll enjoy a similar relationship with Loria as he did with Jeffy at the Mets. I too would have liked to have seen him go to the O's because I really believe he could have turned their sorry arses around.

Edgy DC Jun 25 2010 05:13 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

And he's thrived in black and orange before.

seawolf17 Jun 25 2010 05:23 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Or maybe... he's a PLANT! He secretly still works for us, and is going to help us go 19-0 against Florida every year! Thanks, Bobby! Now all we need is Davey to take over for Bobby Cox, and for the ghost of Gil Hodges to replace Charlie Manuel.

Edgy DC Jun 25 2010 06:42 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Art Howe, welcome to the Bronx.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 25 2010 08:42 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

I could've rooted for him if he'd wound up in Oriole colors. Ecch.

dgwphotography Jun 25 2010 09:07 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Why do I have this feeling that the Mets will turn into a pumpkin and start sucking again soon after Bobby V. is off the market?

soupcan Jun 25 2010 09:09 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Because you are a Mets fan and that's how we roll.

Edgy DC Jun 25 2010 09:26 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

I imagine Mets fans are no more pessemistic on average than the other baseball fans. We're just the ones that ironically take "Ya Gotta Believe!" as a rallying cry.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 25 2010 09:59 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Ah, yes... but I'd imagine that a Mets fan that hasn't been disengaged over the last few years might have a bit more of the abused-puppy mentality in them-- at least at the moment-- than fans of most other teams do.

dgwphotography Jun 25 2010 10:30 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Plus, I just irrationally hate the Marlins a lot more than I should...

themetfairy Jun 25 2010 10:32 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Nah - it's a rational hatred.

Willets Point Jun 25 2010 10:44 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Good for Bobby. Bad for us in that I think he'll make the Marlins a better team. I'm indifferent to the Marlins overall though.

seawolf17 Jun 25 2010 11:21 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

dgwphotography wrote: Why do I have this feeling that the Mets will turn into a pumpkin and start sucking again soon after Bobby V. is off the market? I'm not this extreme, but you know this team is going to go through another rough patch, and I'll be lamenting Bobby then.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 25 2010 11:22 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Willets Point wrote: Good for Bobby. Bad for us in that I think he'll make the Marlins a better team. I'm indifferent to the Marlins overall though. Doesn't do anything for ya?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 25 2010 12:24 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

As per Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post/Poor Spellers' Local 152: "absolutely not true," Bobby Valetine says of report that he starts Monday #marlins =#808080]about 4 hours ago via Echofon

seawolf17 Jun 25 2010 12:33 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

HA! SUCK IT, MARLINS! Psst! Jerry. Come here for a second. I want you BUNTING like a fuckin' madman this weekend. Show these American Leaguers what National League Brand Base Ball is all about. Bunt, bunt, bunt. Throw a double switch in there. Hell, a TRIPLE switch. And when the dust is settled and we've lost four in a row, clinging to life in third place... THEN we will bring Bobby home where he belongs, with Benny Agbayani as our hitting coach and Cook and Wendell coaching in the bullpen.

Edgy DC Jun 25 2010 12:38 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

You probably shouldn't have said that last part out loud.

Zvon Jun 25 2010 01:07 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Has a team ever had co-managers? I say we wait til Bobbys signed, trade Beltran for him, and then roll with 2 managers. Two heads are most certainly better than one. And if one gets thrown out the other is still in the game. They could argue between innings about bunting in the up coming half, and stuff. They could doubly misuse the bullpen, and other stuff. I think when you do that the GsOBs heads explode, and things slip into another dimension. I saw that in the Walternate universe the Mets not only won the 2000 and 2006 World Series, they were division winners in 2007, 2008, and have a 4 game lead at this point in 2010. The Nats lead in the wild card. Strasburg K'd 19 in his debut. If we meet em in the post season JFK will be throwing out the first pitch. Oh, and Shea was never torn down. Just taken proper care of all along and rebuilt like Ruths house was. Yea, we played in the Bronx for the 2009 season. Uh, where was I....? Oh yea, managers.... ...and the Skanks never fired Torre and there was another subway series in...

Edgy DC Jun 25 2010 01:29 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

In 1961, the Cubbies had four co-managers, taking over the team, by plan, for a few weeks at a time. Looking it up, it was: Vedie Himsl (10-21), Harry Craft (7-9), El Tappe (42-54) and Lou Klein (5-6).

Edgy DC Jun 26 2010 08:40 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Marlins hold off on Bobby Valentine interview, AP told FREE PRESS NEWS SERVICES MIAMI -- A person familiar with the Florida Marlins' managerial search says a formal interview with Bobby Valentine has been put on hold although he remains a top candidate for the job. The person spoke on condition of anonymity to the Associated Press because the Marlins had not authorized any public comment.

bmfc1 Jun 26 2010 08:44 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Centerfield wrote: "Yes, I know it's a puzzling move considering the timing, but honestly, we didn't think we'd be any good and that there would be lots more opportunities to fire Jerry. That being said, he's still doing a shitty job and we just couldn't let Bobby go to Florida, so there you have it. Jerry out, Bobby will be in uniform tonight. I'll take questions now..." I'm a few days behind CPF posts... this was genius, CF.

Edgy DC Jun 26 2010 10:17 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Thinking about it, the Marlins putting the skids on this --- and they almost kinda have to in order to go through the motions of giving serious-looking interviews to minority candidates --- is almost kinda huge, as it seemingly keeps Bobby from taking over in time for the Puerto Rico series, which would seriously steal some thiunda from the streaking Mets.

seawolf17 Jun 26 2010 10:32 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Lost in the story of the Edwin Jackson game was the tidbit that the D'backs granted permission for coach Bo Porter to interview for the job.

Edgy DC Jun 26 2010 10:34 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

My money --- not on Bo Porter.

seawolf17 Jun 26 2010 12:13 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

It has to suck to be the TBG (Token Black Guy) in these interviews. Sorry, Bo.

bmfc1 Jun 27 2010 03:48 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Heyman tweets that Bobby V. will not manage the Marlins.

A Boy Named Seo Jun 27 2010 03:52 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Whoa.

Edgy DC Jun 27 2010 03:59 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Woo-hoo! Of course, Heyman's the one who said the opposite last week, right?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 27 2010 04:00 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

If this didn't fall apart over money, I'll eat a teal hat.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 27 2010 04:32 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Edgy DC wrote: Woo-hoo! I agree with Homer.

metirish Jun 27 2010 05:01 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

bmfc1 wrote: Heyman tweets that Bobby V. will not manage the Marlins. And not the Mets either though.....

Frayed Knot Jun 27 2010 06:04 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Bobby on BB2N spouting the usual "I can't talk about an ongoing process" lines.

soupcan Jun 28 2010 06:09 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

metirish wrote: And not the Mets either though..... Hey man, if we can't have him no one can (at least no one in the National League anyway).

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 28 2010 06:58 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

soupcan wrote: metirish wrote: And not the Mets either though..... Hey man, if we can't have him no one can (at least no one in the National League anyway). Plus, if he's not married, there's still a chance that we can be together again, like we were meant to be.

Edgy DC Jun 28 2010 08:31 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Dumb thought: is it too late for Valentine to jump into the Connecticut Republican Senatorial Primary race and beat Linda McMahon?

Centerfield Jun 28 2010 08:59 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Ed Price reporting that he overheard Fred Wilpon on the phone: ...if you just wait. I give you my word as a man. ... How much? Please. I have that much ON me. That's not gonna be an issue. ... I don't know. We go on the road again now, plus we have that brutal road trip at the end of July. I can't see it taking much longer than that. ... Ok. Good. How's everything else? ... Yes, I did see that. Isn't that wild? I've never even heard of 'Fanhouse TV'. ... Omigod, and the set...did you see the set? So fucking funny...

Edgy DC Jun 28 2010 09:06 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

That's great. Ed works for Fanhouse too, right? Here's what he's tweeting. Assuming 350 feet each, the record 506 career home runs allowed by Jamie Moyer, placed end-to-end, would stretch about 33 1/2 miles.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 28 2010 09:09 AM Re: Marlins fire manager

Centerfield channeling Ed Price eavesdropping on a Wilpon wrote: Ok. Good. How's everything else? ... Yes, I did see that. Isn't that wild? I've never even heard of 'Fanhouse TV'. ... Omigod, and the set...did you see the set? So fucking funny... "I find your humor shopworn and tired... but it's got tools. I'll trade you the contents of my 401K for that joke."

Centerfield Jun 28 2010 02:25 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Steve, stop humping my leg.

metirish Jun 28 2010 02:26 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Centerfield wrote: Steve, stop humping my leg. He wouldn't touch ya, you're too good looking for Steve , not to mention not nearly as butch as he likes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 28 2010 03:03 PM Re: Marlins fire manager Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 28 2010 03:12 PM

"Hrm. That's classless." (long pause) "You know, I would trade a Strasburg or two for an under-the-desk oral sexing. Do you have anything in a Size Mo? No? How about Double-Mo?"

G-Fafif Jun 28 2010 03:10 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Dumb thought: is it too late for Valentine to jump into the Connecticut Republican Senatorial Primary race and beat Linda McMahon? For a year (middle of seventh to middle of eighth grade), I was classmates with one of the other candidates: this guy. He talks about his Connecticut roots, but our junior high was on Long Island (and nowhere near the Sound) and he had moved up from Miami. Bobby V could filibuster with the best of 'em.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 29 2010 03:50 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

As per Ken Rosenthal, here's how it went down. As of noon ET Tuesday, there remained two differing versions of how the Marlins’ initial talks with Valentine disintegrated: * Marlins officials were turned off by Valentine during their initial phone conservations with him. * Valentine grew disenchanted with the Marlins and decided to pull back and consider other options. The Marlins’ need to interview other candidates to satisfy the commissioner’s guidelines on minority hiring also might have contributed to the process slowing down, sources said. So... kind of a non-answer answer, eh?

Zvon Jun 29 2010 04:04 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

Centerfield and LWFS both win Land Rover belt buckles for their classic work in this thread.

Zvon Jun 29 2010 04:06 PM Re: Marlins fire manager

When The V man learned he couldn't manage against the Mets in this series he got all pissy with the Fish.