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The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Vic Sage Jun 30 2010 09:57 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 30 2010 10:40 AM

On this, the eve of the FA circus, i thought i'd start the new season KNICKS SUCK thread. What we've got: Curry (c) [$11.3M] - The very definition of "dead weight", but his expiring salary might be attractive to other teams looking to do a "sign and trade" Gallinari (Sf/Pf) [$3.3M] - The Cock is young with upside... he can shoot, drive, pass and even defends, showed some toughness. Chandler (Sf/Sg/Pf) [$2.1M] - Coming off another surgery, but his all around game, positional flexibility and work ethic makes him useful Tony Douglas (Pg/Sg) [$1.1M] - not a starting PG, but a decent backup at both G slots, with aggressive D and inconsistent shot Bill Walker (sg/sf) [$850K] - another winger with an inconsistent shot, but tenacious D and serious ups Draft picks: Andy Rautins (Sg/Pg) - Syracuse shooting guard can make 3s. The rest of his game may not be NBA ready. There is talk of developing ball-handling skills that might make him a backup PG. Landry Fields (sf/sg) - strong rebounding and finishing SF, but doesn't seem to have a very high ceiling. Jerome Jordan (C/Pf) - On the other hand, this 7-footer is just starting to touch the lower fringe of his potential; some shooting touch, shot-blocking, ideal for D'antoni's system. Other Summer League invitees: Charles Garcia (Pf) - he is a big strong PF out of Seattle that iss rated as one of the top undrafted players this year Michael Wellington (Pf) - undersized C Leo Lyons (Pf) - ? JayCee Carroll (PG) - ? Knick FAs: David Lee - He's been their best player, but there might not be room for him under the cap if we get some superstars. I'd like to see him back. 16-20pts/10-15reb a night doesn't grow on trees. Earl Barron - D-league C showed some ability at the end of the season. I hope they bring him back, too. Sergio Rodriguez (pg/sg) - Team qualifying offer of $2.8M not likely to be offered; will go back to Europe. Good riddance. non-tendered FAs - - J Bender -C Duhon -JR Giddens - Al Harrington - E House - T McGrady other FAs: - ? All the deals for the past 2 years, and all the subsequent losing, have been about creating cap space to turn it around this year in the FA market. That means signing LeBron and Bosh, not former D'antoni cronies JJohnson and Stoudemire. Plan B? Fuck plan B. Its win or go home. Giving max deals to less-than-max players is how we got into this problem in the first place. other FA rumors: SG - Kyle Korver, Mike Miller, Ray Allen PG - Luke Ridnour SF - Rudy Gay

MFS62 Jun 30 2010 10:32 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Nets fan checking in. I just thought of one selling point that Mikhail Prokhorov can use. James is possibly the best player in the NBA, and his name is recognized in many countries. But with his worldwide billion dollar empire, the Nets owner can make him a true star internationally that will transcend his sport, like a Pele, Tiger Woods or a Muhammad Ali. They caused people to watch sports they didn't usually watch. (with the associated rewards that brings) Prokhorov has the resources, and the international contacts, to make that happen. James can't get that opportunity anywhere else. And I don't see that his ego will allow him to turn that down. Yesterday, the Nets put up a team ad in Times Square. Do you think they know something about where he'll sign? Later

Willets Point Jun 30 2010 11:06 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

You're setting them up to suck.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 30 2010 11:16 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

There is talk of developing ball-handling skills that might make him a backup PG. This usually doesn't work so well when the player in question is, like, 20-something instead of, say, 12.

Ceetar Jun 30 2010 11:48 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

MFS62 wrote: Nets fan checking in. I just thought of one selling point that Mikhail Prokhorov can use. James is possibly the best player in the NBA, and his name is recognized in many countries. But with his worldwide billion dollar empire, the Nets owner can make him a true star internationally that will transcend his sport, like a Pele, Tiger Woods or a Muhammad Ali. They caused people to watch sports they didn't usually watch. (with the associated rewards that brings) Prokhorov has the resources, and the international contacts, to make that happen. James can't get that opportunity anywhere else. And I don't see that his ego will allow him to turn that down. Yesterday, the Nets put up a team ad in Times Square. Do you think they know something about where he'll sign? Later I don't know what NBA team I'm a fan of. I'm not a Knicks fan. I was a Bulls fan when I was littler and watching Jordan. I feel like I could like the Nets. I think I might even watch an NBA game (would be my first this century) if they were to pull that off. I think they definitely have a fair shot, for all the reasons you mention, and others i've heard. It makes sense to put that ad up in Times Square (and near the Garden I believe). If they get Labron, and the Knicks still suck..with Brooklyn looming a lot of those bandwagon fans will switch to teh Nets.

Vic Sage Jun 30 2010 12:07 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Willets Point wrote: You're setting them up to suck. moi?

Edgy DC Jun 30 2010 12:16 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

MFS62 wrote: Nets fan checking in. Fastest hijack ever.

Willets Point Jun 30 2010 01:04 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Vic Sage wrote: Willets Point wrote: You're setting them up to suck. moi? yeah, I don't know what I meant either.

HahnSolo Jun 30 2010 01:08 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I agree with Vic that I want nothing to do with their reported Plan B. I guess I could live with Stoudamire being one of the big fishes they bring in (if the other fish were Lebron). But you can keep Joe Johnson. His is nowhere near a max guy. Just ask any Hawk fan who watched the Magic series. Any chance they could grab Stoudamire this year, stay under the cap, then make a run at Carmelo next year when he becomes a FA? I'd much rather take my chance with that than flush my money down the toilet with Johnson.

Nymr83 Jun 30 2010 04:42 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Edgy DC wrote: MFS62 wrote: Nets fan checking in. Fastest hijack ever. just wait until the Nets move into Brooklyn, they'll hijack 20% of the fanbase

Frayed Knot Jun 30 2010 06:06 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

This FA season hasn't even officially begun yet and I'm already sick of it. On the other hand, maybe the time they spend chasing LeBron will keep the media from their annual rite of camping out on Brett Favre's lawn watching for the white smoke that will signal a decision.

MFS62 Jun 30 2010 06:22 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Edgy DC wrote: Nets fan checking in. Fastest hijack ever. OK then. Back to the Knicks Suck: Andy Rautins (Sg/Pg) - Syracuse shooting guard can make 3s. The rest of his game may not be NBA ready. There is talk of developing ball-handling skills that might make him a backup PG. I saw his dad, Leo play. Andy inherited all of his dad's game. And he didn't have one. Later

Nymr83 Jun 30 2010 06:59 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Marlins robbed by umpire. edit- wrong thread! Knicks still suck!

metirish Jun 30 2010 07:30 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Damn , but the Knicks suck. Everyone I have read and listened to thinks James will go to the Bulls and that the Knicks are not really in the running. Why would you want to go to the Bulls and compete with Jordan's six rings, you ain't winning seven. The Knicks not finding a way to keep Lee really turns me off, the one good/great player to come through in years is an after thought while the three wise men fly around the country trying to convince great players to come to NY for less money.

Vic Sage Jul 01 2010 04:12 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

If Lee signs with NJ, and if Knicks make bone-headed moves this summer, i would seriously consider switching allegiances... especially if the NJN end up in my hometown of Brooklyn. I would never consider doing this in baseball, but in the NBA? Dolan/Cablevision have done everything to alienate me as a fan that they could possibly do. I'm on the edge, Jimmy. Don't push me.

Nymr83 Jul 01 2010 06:40 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I'm not half the NBA fan that i was as a kid, and if Dolan & co. don't find a way to bring in a GOOD team this offseason after building it up for years then I doubt I follow them at all anymore. I'm tired of suckiness mixed with mediocrity. i've done without the NBA before, i can do it again

DocTee Jul 01 2010 08:26 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Dirk Nowitzki would be a nice fit, no? Nicer than Amare at least.

Kong76 Jul 05 2010 05:06 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Amar'e in, does LeBron play cards or golf with him?

metirish Jul 05 2010 05:18 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Kong76 wrote: Amar'e in, does LeBron play cards or golf with him? The thread title still applies..... OK, so is he the complimentary piece to a James or a Howard or is he the big piece with a second tier max player to come, it could be argued that he's that second tier max player right? James reps me with the knicks to apparently talk about the pending Stoudemire deal, that to me sounds like good news for the knicks.

Valadius Jul 05 2010 06:00 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

LeBron has apparently made it known that he wants to play with either Stoudemire or Bosh, so this deal increases our chances of landing him. Our chances of sucking have likely taken a steep dive with Stoudemire's signing.

metirish Jul 05 2010 07:38 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I meant to say Wade up there, Knicks still suck, and to think that Dolan could have owned the Mets.

metirish Jul 08 2010 03:55 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

The Knicks have a sign and trade with Lee that sends him to Golden State for several players , the big piece coming back is a young kid apparently. In Hail Mary news the Knicks sent Isiah Thomas to Akron last night to talk with James, stunning.

Kong76 Jul 08 2010 04:09 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

From Bliebung.com ... MSG stock closed down ~ 5.5% on ~ 8.5 x average volume. MSG does not currently pay a dividend and hasn't since the early 70's.

Ashie62 Jul 08 2010 04:19 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Valadius wrote: LeBron has apparently made it known that he wants to play with either Stoudemire or Bosh, so this deal increases our chances of landing him. Our chances of sucking have likely taken a steep dive with Stoudemire's signing. not really

Ashie62 Jul 08 2010 04:21 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

but the Nets have signing Travis Outlaw.

MFS62 Jul 10 2010 07:00 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Ashie62 wrote: but the Nets have signing Travis Outlaw. Be still, my heart. The only thing that makes James signing with Miami barely palatable is that he didn't sign with the Knicks. And the fact that the Nets got shut out of getting any decent free agents has been lost in the public outcry from Knick fans that they didn't get James either. Later

Kong76 Jul 10 2010 07:51 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Isaiah creeping back into the fold = yuck ... I loathe that bastard.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 10 2010 08:25 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

THERE's Amare's point guard. Reports have Ray Felton-- who I could have sworn was a New York schoolboy star, but is merely Mark Jackson-like enough to make one think he was-- headed north from Charlotte for a multiyear deal (terms unspecified). Lebron/no Lebron-- with a nice ball distributor at the helm (Tony Douglas riding shotgun) and Randolph, Stoudemire and Gallinari running with, the team's pretty well-equipped for D'Antoniball. It will be a little more fun to watch next year, at least.

DocTee Jul 10 2010 11:12 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

The Warriors seriously overpaid. Turiaf, Azebuike, Randolph and $80M for David Lee? Sheesh. Turiaf is tough-- a Gonzaga product who has overcome serious health issues (not injuries, mind you, but things like an enlarged heart and irregular heartbeat)...Azebuike's an athletic finisher who brings energy. Randolph a lottery-type talent. Aside from the $$ spent on Stoudamire, I think the Knicks are MUCH improved.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 10 2010 12:04 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I forgot about Azebuike-- fun to watch back in college, he was. He's a GREAT bench guy for defense and rebounding from the swing positions, too. And Nelson just didn't like Randolph, or what? Doghouses make nice discounts. I mean, I like David Lee and all, but... damn, that's a haul. Getting Miller would have been a great complement to the moves they've made this offseason, but he went with "South Beach" hisself (presumably, at a discount).

DocTee Jul 10 2010 12:18 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

The Bay Area papers think this move helps the Warriors tremendously. They needed serious help on the glass, and Lee will move to PF. Original reports were that Monta Ellis would go to NYC in that sign-and-trade... Nelson's told his PG, Stephen Curry, to get ready for "1000 pick and rolls" and the new presence on the glass (with Lee's passing ability) should lead to lots of fast break opps, too.

TheOldMole Jul 12 2010 07:44 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

So the Knicks lose out on Lebron and get Mozgov instead. What is this, the Lord of the Rings?

metirish Jul 12 2010 07:46 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

TheOldMole wrote: So the Knicks lose out on Lebron and get Mozgov instead. What is this, the Lord of the Rings? Doaln ain't tapping that is he?

Vic Sage Jul 12 2010 12:01 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

[u:1royq4nr]starting 5[/u:1royq4nr]: Felton / Chandler / Gallinari / Stoudemire / Turiaf [u:1royq4nr]backups[/u:1royq4nr]: Douglas / Azubuike / Walker / Randolph / Mozgov [u:1royq4nr]bench:[/u:1royq4nr] Fields / Routins [u:1royq4nr]IR:[/u:1royq4nr] Curry / JJordan / _____ We have one more open slot on the roster.

Nymr83 Jul 12 2010 12:06 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Doaln ain't tapping that is he? i doubt it, wouldn't you look ALOT happier if you knew SHE was coming home with you? who cares whats going on on the court at that moment!

metirish Jul 12 2010 12:09 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Eddie Curry , talk about worthless , he's apparently close to broke , his monthly expenses run in to the hundred of thousands.

Vic Sage Jul 12 2010 01:06 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

on the other hand, he's playing for a new contract, and is in relatively good shape, both of which factors might lead to some short-term productivity, if D'Antoni gives him any PT. Ideally, he plays well early and thus becomes tradeable.

Vic Sage Jul 19 2010 09:19 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Summerknicks went 3-2 in Vegas summer league play. Some thoughts: * Tony Douglas looked effective and confident at the point; * Landry Fields is a real basketball player, able to play on the wing, with strength and smarts. I could see him getting regular minutes; * Routins couldn't shoot but did alot of things well. I expect his shot to fall, so it was good to see his all-around play; * Jerome Jordan is to basketball as dancing is to architecture; * Marcus Landry was back, playing his way into roster consideration as the 15th man. He would also double our "landry" quotient; * I would have liked to have seen Charlie Garcia get some playing time but he didn't; * Bill "Bully" Walker could find himself at the end of the bench... his shot selection is dubious and he sometimes plays with his head firmly inserted in his rectum, which makes running the floor sort of awkward. Based on my observations, i revise the projected roster as follows: [u:nrdrnt96]starting 5[/u:nrdrnt96]: Felton / Azubuike / Gallinari / Stoudemire / Randolph - [u:nrdrnt96]backup 5[/u:nrdrnt96]: Douglas / Walker / Fields / Chandler / Turiaf - [u:nrdrnt96]bench:[/u:nrdrnt96] Mozgov / Routins - [u:nrdrnt96]IR:[/u:nrdrnt96] Curry / JJordan / _____[marcus Landry?]

metirish Jul 19 2010 08:33 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Nice article on NYTimes.com about Lee.....that would be David and not that fake Spike. Traded by Knicks, Lee Was Still a Team Player By HARVEY ARATON Published: July 19, 2010 When Marni Jaffer was about to deliver her husband’s eulogy to a crowd of 300-plus mourners, she noticed a familiar face rising above the others in the back of the funeral chapel. She had never met the man, but she recognized him from her television screen. It was David Lee, formerly of the Knicks. “I thought it was wonderful that he came,” Jaffer said. “And it also struck me how he stayed in the back, paying his respects quietly, not wanting to have people say, ‘Oh, it’s David Lee,’ and intrude on my husband’s moment.” The funeral for Scott Jaffer, a longtime N.B.A. security official whose primary post was Madison Square Garden, was held July 11. Lee had been in St. Louis, his hometown, after being dealt by the Knicks to the Golden State Warriors in a sign-and-trade transaction that was announced soon after LeBron James’s all-about-me ESPN extravaganza. Expected back in New York the next week for a basketball camp, Lee was stunned to hear that Jaffer, 63, had died. “The guy took care of our security stuff, drug testing, things like that,” Lee said in a telephone interview. “He couldn’t do enough for us, joked with us every night, and it turned out he had cancer for three years and not one of us knew about it.” After five years in New York, Lee had one final act of hustle on behalf of the Knicks, flying into town on Saturday night and getting in his car Sunday morning for a one-hour drive to Airmont, N.Y., from his apartment on Manhattan’s West Side. He knew much of the Knicks’ basketball staff would be working at the summer league in Las Vegas and he wanted to make sure that the team — given its extreme state of transition — would be represented. The same team, of course, that could not wait to replace him with its latest high-end acquisition, Amar’e Stoudemire. When word circulated through the Knicks’ organization that Lee had attended Scott Jaffer’s funeral, few people could have been surprised. In February, after the death of Dick McGuire, a beloved Knicks organizational lifer, Lee was the only player to attend the funeral. Weeks later, when the franchise celebrated the 40th anniversary of its 1970 championship team with a halftime ceremony, Lee was the lone Knick to come out of the locker room to watch from courtside. Despite playing what he called “my worst game of the season” that night against Milwaukee, Lee chose to savor long conversations with Willis Reed and Bill Bradley, who told him that he had many of the qualities that they associated with their teams of four decades past. “That was pretty amazing to me,” said Lee, who at that point clung to the hope of remaining in New York. By July, it was more wishful thinking. “People talk about how much they want good citizens, guys who are committed to an organization and a city,” said Mark Bartelstein, Lee’s agent. “At the end of the day, it is what it is, the hypocrisy of the whole world of sports.” The case of Lee, the Knicks’ best and most popular player, should also put into context the allegations of disloyalty against James when he left the Cleveland Cavaliers. Organizations do what they think is best for them, too, without having to say they’re sorry. The departure of Lee became a footnote to the free-agent fallout generated by the decisions of James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh to make Miami their collaborative playground. “He averaged 20 points and almost 12 rebounds, and it got swept under the rug,” Bartelstein said. Timing is everything, and Lee’s was not good from the day he arrived in New York as the 30th and final first-round draft pick in 2005. “The biggest regret was not having a chance to be part of a stable, winning team,” he said. “Forty-nine players and three coaches have come and gone. That’s not to blame anyone, but those were the facts.” The overwhelming N.B.A. consensus is that Stoudemire is a stronger, more dynamic player than Lee, who improved every year — especially his jump shot — but has made one All-Star team and has never appeared in a playoff game. Even Lee noted that the Knicks, who gave Stoudemire a five-year deal worth nearly $100 million, had to make a statement after two years of readying themselves for a bid on James. “People might say, why did they pay Amar’e $100 million?” Lee said. “Well, if LeBron had come, then you’d have to say that he would have been worth $500 million.” But James did not come, which raises a fair question: if the Knicks do not land Carmelo Anthony or another star within the next two seasons, will Stoudemire — for a lot more money — be as much of a committed company man as Lee? Not Lee’s problem anymore. Out West, he will play his natural position, power forward, alongside a defensive-minded center, Andris Biedrins, for the first time. He will run a million pick-and-rolls with the Warriors’ talented young guards Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis. With the Warriors changing ownership, from Chris Cohan to the Boston Celtics minority partner Joe Lacob and Mandalay Entertainment chief executive Peter Guber, Lee is convinced it is a team on the rise. “I don’t look at us at rebuilding,” he said. “We have a young nucleus in place.” This week, Lee is trying to play his way onto the United States team — against Stoudemire, who is also in the mix — that will compete in the world championships beginning Aug. 28 in Turkey. If he makes it, Lee will be back in the Garden next month for an exhibition game against France. Walking the streets of Manhattan last week was a gratifying experience, he said. “I’ve heard this a lot — ‘we’re sorry to see you go,’ ” Lee said. Marni Jaffer said that if her husband could have chosen one Knicks player to attend his funeral, he would have picked David Lee. “Scott played basketball when he was younger,” she said. “He knew the game and he loved David Lee, talked about him all the time. He was a big fan.” He was not alone, but now Lee, a Warrior, has moved on, all in the name of progress.

seawolf17 Jul 20 2010 07:34 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

And Derek Jeter, et al were too busy to show up to Bob Sheppard's. Pfft.

Vic Sage Aug 06 2010 12:31 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Knicks sign combo guard Roger Mason (6`5") to come of the bench and hit a 3 once in a while. I guess they weren't convinced Routins is ready. That gives them 15 under contract. Roster is set. [u:ja6uj9rq]starting 5[/u:ja6uj9rq]: Felton / Azubuike / Gallinari / Stoudemire / Turiaf [u:ja6uj9rq]backups[/u:ja6uj9rq]: Douglas / Walker - Mason / Chandler - Fields / Randolph / Mozgov [u:ja6uj9rq]IR:[/u:ja6uj9rq] Routins / Curry / JJordan Basketball prospectus projects 48 wins. I'd take 42 right now.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 06 2010 04:13 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Sweet motherforking Jesus. (Yeah, Miami probably looked about 30% better after every conversation with this guy.) “Isiah Thomas brings unique experience as a Hall of Fame player, coach, executive and owner, and we believe having him as part of our organization will be extremely beneficial to the team’s success,” the team said in a statement Friday. “Isiah was helpful to the team’s senior management during our most recent recruitment efforts, including assisting with the acquisition of Amar’e Stoudemire. He will provide valuable insight and analysis of young prospects from around the world.” In the free-agency period, Thomas publicly tried to persuade LeBron James to sign with the Knicks.

Nymr83 Aug 06 2010 05:45 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Isiah being allowed in in any capacity is just bad memories.

MFS62 Aug 07 2010 08:43 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Sweet motherforking Jesus. (Yeah, Miami probably looked about 30% better after every conversation with this guy.) “Isiah Thomas brings unique experience as a Hall of Fame player, coach, executive and owner, and we believe having him as part of our organization will be extremely beneficial to the team’s success,” the team said in a statement Friday. “Isiah was helpful to the team’s senior management during our most recent recruitment efforts, including assisting with the acquisition of Amar’e Stoudemire. He will provide valuable insight and analysis of young prospects from around the world.” In the free-agency period, Thomas publicly tried to persuade LeBron James to sign with the Knicks. As a Nets fan, you can't even begin to imagine how really fucking happy I was to read this. I was beginning to worry about the Knicks ever being good. This news calmed me down. Later

Vic Sage Aug 28 2010 12:54 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

With Jerome Jordan signing to play overseas, Knicks sign forward Patrick Ewing, Jr, as the 15th man. And it doesn't look like Azubuike will be ready to start the season. [u:8jo9rlfz]starting 5[/u:8jo9rlfz]: Felton / Walker / Gallinari / Stoudemire / Turiaf [u:8jo9rlfz]backups[/u:8jo9rlfz]: Douglas / Mason - Fields / Chandler - Ewing / Randolph / Mozgov [u:8jo9rlfz]IR:[/u:8jo9rlfz] Routins / Curry / Azabuike

Ashie62 Aug 28 2010 07:22 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Vic Sage wrote: With Jerome Jordan signing to play overseas, Knicks sign forward Patrick Ewing, Jr, as the 15th man. And it doesn't look like Azubuike will be ready to start the season. starting 5: Felton / Walker / Gallinari / Stoudemire / Turiaf backups: Douglas / Mason - Fields / Chandler - Ewing / Randolph / Mozgov IR: Routins / Curry / Azabuike As a fan of the Nets since the Red White & Blue ball I am officially dumping them and adopting the Knicks. I don't know if I am trading up or down and have never switched teams before.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 30 2010 11:14 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Any compelling reason? (The move, p'raps?)

MFS62 Aug 31 2010 10:22 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Ashie62 wrote: As a fan of the Nets since the Red White & Blue ball I am officially dumping them and adopting the Knicks. I don't know if I am trading up or down and have never switched teams before. Fie on you! "Fie!" I say. Now I feel sooooooo alone. Then again, this would make me feel a lot better if it happens. http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/net ... bdT9sCGb1N Later

Vic Sage Oct 05 2010 03:05 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

starting 5: Felton /Chandler-Walker / Gallinari / Stoudemire / Turiaf backups: Douglas / Mason / Chandler-Walker-Fields-Ewing / Randolph / Mozgov bench: Walker / Ewing jr IR: Azabuike / Routins / Curry The knicks played a pre-season game in Italy against Gallo's old team, Olympia Milano (any relation to Alyssa?), and Amare went off for 32. Gallinari finished with 24 points (including 5 treys) and seven rebounds. Three other Knicks finished in double figures: Wilson Chandler-17, Anthony Randolph-16 and Timofey Mozgov-10. They're in Paris now, about to play the Timberwolves. The roster looks like it can be explosive on offense and disruptive on defense. But they're really young and, despite being very athletic, they're going to take a while to gel. They'll not be strong enough rebounding or defending the arc, but they'll run some teams right out of the building. Alot will depend on whether Mosgov, Turiaf and Randolph can be effective at the Center position, or whether they foul out every night. Prediction 39-43 wins, maybe an 8th seed.

Vic Sage Oct 20 2010 01:11 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

[u:20uo92qm]starting 5[/u:20uo92qm]: Felton /Chandler / Gallinari / Stoudemire / Mosgov [u:20uo92qm]backups[/u:20uo92qm]: Douglas /Mason /Walker-Fields /Randolph /Turiaf [u:20uo92qm]bench:[/u:20uo92qm] Walker-Fields-Mason / Routins [u:20uo92qm]IR:[/u:20uo92qm] Ewingjr /Azabuike /Curry Stoudemire dominated the Nets last night. It looks more likely that the Russian kid will start at C, with Turiaf and AR coming off the bench. Also, with Azubuike still hurt, the SG slot is still up in the air, with Mason showing nothing, Chandler out of position, and Walker and Fields playing well in limited minutes. Douglas has also been quite effective at the SG slot, playing well with felton. Untile Azu comes back, I think Chandler will get the starting SG slot, with Mason as his primary backup, but that could change pretty quickly. My hope is that Fields works his way into the rotation as a SG/SF swingman. He has shown me alot so far, and he seems like a real "glue" guy, who does a little bit of everything pretty well. Walker has shot well since becoming a Knick, but i still don't trust his game. I love Douglas, but he's really the primary backup to Felton (who i don't have alot of confidence in). Chandler is a forward, being played out of position, but i'd rather see him get minutes over anybody else until Azu gets back. Actually, a second unit of Douglas / Walker / Fields / Chandler / Randolph would run other teams right out of the building. And i would do the Gallo-Chandler-AR trade 4 Carmelo in a heartbeat... which is why Denver won't.

metirish Oct 26 2010 12:33 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

The starting lineup for the opener in Toronto as revealed by D'Antoni Landry Fields Timofey Mozgov Amar'e Stoudmire Raymond Felton Danilo Gallinari

Vic Sage Oct 26 2010 09:03 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

good for Fields!

metirish Oct 28 2010 07:54 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 28 2010 08:06 AM

I watched most of the second half of this game, wow the Raptors are bad. The Knicks predictably looked like a team that never played together, not much passing and a lot of long shots attempted , nothing much going on in the paint, still , they are young and athletic and one would think they will improve.

Vic Sage Oct 28 2010 08:01 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

beating a bad team is the sign of a better team. I'll take it. random thoughts: * Fields reminds me of Shane Battier; * I love Chandler off the bench, coming in and outquicking power forwards, rather than picking up quick fouls on shooting guards; * Gallo needs to do more than shoot 3s; * I trust Walker and Mason less than every time i seem them play; * I think Mosgov will be a player, but you couldn't tell that from this game; * As a PG, douglas makes a decent SG; * Felton was solid; * Turiaf... now THATS what i'm talkin' about! 1 down, 81 to go!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 28 2010 08:03 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Sloppy and stilted and winning? I'll definitely take it. Felton gives me a good, comfortable feeling inside. And I had the exact same Battier thought about Fields, Sage. Weird.

metirish Oct 28 2010 08:07 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

How excited were you guys at seeing Eddie Curry in a suit on the bench doing what he does best?(what a waste of space)

Centerfield Oct 28 2010 08:13 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Borrowing from Bill Simmons, I wonder if it will say "Curry" on the back of his jersey or "Eddie Curry's Expiring Contract".

Vic Sage Oct 28 2010 09:16 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

what i loved was (1) winning a close one at the end, (2) in a season opener, (3) on the road. Throw in that we outrebounded them and got 10... i said TEN!... blocks, and you can see why this season's team is not last season's team. Amare didn't even play particularly well, and we STILL won. It was ugly, but promising. And when Azu and AR come back, they'll take minutes from MAson and walker, and i'll be a happy camper. 42 wins or bust!

Ashie62 Oct 28 2010 03:39 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

bust

Vic Sage Oct 29 2010 08:26 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

shut up

Kong76 Nov 09 2010 07:59 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I have to start recording that hour thing in the morning again.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 10 2010 12:59 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

The Sixers... then the Bucks by 27? This promises to be an up-and-down one, does it not? Still like Fields a lot, though.

metirish Nov 10 2010 01:23 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The Sixers... then the Bucks by 27? This promises to be an up-and-down one, does it not? Still like Fields a lot, though. More down than up, bring back Isaiah. David Lee back in MSG tonight

attgig Nov 23 2010 12:18 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

they've come out of suckitude with the west coast trip. anyone wanna start talking knicks again? It seems like as long as Gallo is hot, the team's gonna be able to win.

Valadius Nov 23 2010 12:51 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Felton may indeed blossom under the D'Antoni offense. They might just not suck this year.

Kong76 Nov 23 2010 08:04 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

They tried to blow a good one tonight, thankfully they it didn't go that way and the streak continues. Nice lack of audio job there by MSG for the last hour or so.

Vic Sage Nov 23 2010 09:19 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

that they don't suck is the best that has been said about them since Ewing and Oakley roamed the hardwood.

Frayed Knot Nov 23 2010 09:35 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Look at it this way: they only suck slightly more than the 8-win/6-loss Miami We-just-got-blown-out-at-home-by-the-Pacers-and-I-guess-that-70+ win-season-thing-is-pretty-much-gone-now Heat

MFS62 Nov 24 2010 06:30 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

metirish wrote: How excited were you guys at seeing Eddie Curry in a suit on the bench doing what he does best?(what a waste of space) Hey! Watch that stuff. The guy has as many 1,000 rebound seasons in his career as Patrick Ewing did. Later

Kong76 Nov 24 2010 07:31 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

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Kong76 Nov 27 2010 01:33 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Wretched first half by the Knickerbockers this afternoon.

Kong76 Nov 30 2010 08:03 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Game over .500!!

Vic Sage Dec 02 2010 08:42 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

[u:3uhdmdnc]starting 5:[/u:3uhdmdnc] Felton /Fields / Gallinari / Stoudemire / Turiaf [u:3uhdmdnc]backups:[/u:3uhdmdnc] Douglas /Walker / Chandler / Mosgov [u:3uhdmdnc]bench:[/u:3uhdmdnc] Randolph / Mason / Routins [u:3uhdmdnc]IR:[/u:3uhdmdnc] Willams /Azabuike /Curry As i thought during the summer, their youth and inexperience together has caused some bumps along the way, but i generally like what i see. When Turiaf plays, it frees up STATS to be the force that he wants to and can be. But when Turiaf is hurt (as he often is) and STATS is forced to play C, there is no one to do the dirty work for him and he ends up picking up fouls, making TOs, forcing jumpers. Neither Mosgov nor Randolph is ready for serious minutes in the pivot, so they need another big man to suck up rebounds and throw elbows. Where have you gone, eddie curry? Knicks nation turns its lonely eyes to you... oo oo oo. Nah, not really. As i've said, i love me some Laundry Fields (well that's what John Turturro calls him!) He plays with his head up, and not up his rectum. A 2-guard with 8-10 rebs a night and a high shooting %? mmm mmm good. I hope he doesn't lose minutes if Azubuike ever comes back. Felton has been solid, and finally looks like he is on the same page with STATS, especially running the pick-n-roll. He plays hard, and plays D. TDouglas does, too, though his shot has been erratic. But WTF is up with Gallo? When he drives and plays D with passion, he's a pretty valuable player. When he stands at the arc chucking 3s, i want to hit him with a brick. However, Chandler seems to be coming into his own. I still hate it when he shoots 3s (its not only not his game, it's a downright ugly shot), but he's ungodly taking it to the hole, finishing, blocking shots, rebounding, playing D, etc. He really fills up a box score. I prefer him coming off the bench, because otherwise we have no bench at all. Walker, Randolph, Mosgov and Mason have all been relatively worthless, give or take a block here or a 3 there, and Routins and Williams have been mostly absent. Curry? How such a fat man can be so utterly invisible is something the CIA should look into. I like that we block shots, have a strong rebounding backcourt, run like thoroughbreds, have an all-star like STATS who has really taken on a leadership role. I don't like the inconsistent D, lack of a true center, the shallow bench, and overreliance on 3pters. Overall, i still think my projections of a .500 season and a playoff berth are on target. If Gallo gets more consistent, Azu comes back and any combo of Turiaf/Randolph/Mosgov gives us 35-40 quality minutes at center each night, i can see us going even further. But that's a lot of IFs and i don't expect it. But i definitely feel we're heading in the right direction, for a change.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 02 2010 09:29 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Reading that post was more entertaining than watching an NBA game, as far as I'm concerned. Keep it up, not up your rectum, or I'll hit you with a brick.

metirish Dec 02 2010 09:42 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

One downside of FiOS is that MSG Channels are not in HD , Dolan being a dick as usual. Definitely more fun to watch , Stoudemire has been all we thought and more probably. LeBron returns to Cleveland tonight, should be fun....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 02 2010 11:11 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Stoudamire also plays absolutely terribly on the defensive end (non-help-wise). The pick-and-roll stuff is fun, though-- I missed that since... whenever the last time the Knicks had effective point-guard-play and a mobile frontcourt. When he and Felton and lil' Chandler are dipping and diving and shucking and jiving, it's a thing of frantic beauty. Vic Sage wrote: But WTF is up with Gallo? When he drives and plays D with passion, he's a pretty valuable player. When he stands at the arc chucking 3s, i want to hit him with a brick. He's a poor, poor man's Kukoc. And I wonder whether this might be close to his ceiling.

metirish Dec 02 2010 03:10 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Get this, the Knicks are over .500 this late in a season for the first time in six seasons.

Kong76 Dec 05 2010 01:15 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

This is going to be 5 or 6 straight wins on the road today!!!

Valadius Dec 05 2010 02:10 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Seven straight wins on the road, actually. Longest road win streak for the Knicks since '94-'95.

Vic Sage Dec 06 2010 10:09 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

[u:33jg1tho]starting 5:[/u:33jg1tho] Felton / Fields / Gallinari / Chandler / Stoudemire [u:33jg1tho]backups:[/u:33jg1tho] Douglas /Walker / Williams / Mosgov [u:33jg1tho]bench:[/u:33jg1tho] Randolph / Mason / Routins [u:33jg1tho]IR: [/u:33jg1tho]Turiaf /Azabuike / Curry * Turiaf still hurt; * Shawne "an E too many" Williams starting to establish himself off the bench; * Amare / Felton connection getting better and better; * Amare taking over the 4th Q; * Still love me some Laundry Fields; * Mosgov playing his way out of the rotation; me still likee

attgig Dec 06 2010 10:17 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

when are we gonna get some more anthony randolph. I was so excited to get him in the summer, but now.... I never get to see him. are his practices that bad? i just don't understand...

Vic Sage Dec 06 2010 10:20 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

he'll get Mosgov's minutes soon enough, i think. They are both so erratic and error-prone, but AR has the greater upside.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 06 2010 11:54 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 06 2010 12:02 PM

I grew up rooting for Red Holzman's Knicks. And even though I know that this is mostly apocryphal, I still maintain that Clyde Frazier never missed a shot on my watch. I rooted for the Knicks when they wore those goofy uniforms with the uni numbers above the team name; when Michael Ray Richardson would surely develop into the next Magic Johnson. I was a Knick fan when Bernard King went on a run that could rival anything Michael Jordan ever accomplished. The last time I watched even half of a Knick game, Bill Clinton was our President. Is it time to get back on the bandwagon?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 06 2010 12:01 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I'm exactly like BatMags, except for the first part

metirish Dec 06 2010 12:05 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I suspect batmags like his defense, if yes then don't be jumping on this bandwagon.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 06 2010 01:48 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

If you're even neutral about defense, I suggest closing your eyes after the Knicks miss/make a shot, then opening them after you get the all-clear from the play-by-play.

Vic Sage Dec 07 2010 08:51 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I, too, watched Willis limp onto the floor againt Chamberlain, and prefer Riley and Van Gundy's "ground n pound" Ewing-Oakley-Mason teams to D'Antoni's "run n gun" style. But, to be fair, this group is playing more defense than most D'Antoni teams have. They're among the league leaders in blocked shots... when was the last time a Knicks team could say that? They are aggressive on steals. They have a SG getting 10 rebs/gm. Turiaf is a beast underneath the rim. Amare will never be confused for Ewing, but its not for lack of effort this year. And he is blocking shots. last night, they took over the game in the 3Q, when they clamped down defensively on the T-Wolves, forcing TOs and misses on long jumpers. they went on a 12-0 run and pretty much held it there from that point on. Not that the T-Wolves are a force to be reckoned with, but the Bockers have got some guys -- Chandler, Douglas, Fields, Felton and Turiaf -- that can get it done. I'm not claiming that they are a great defensive team, but they have their moments and are not nearly as bad as they are being described. Most of their problems would be solved by the presence of a true defensive center who grabbed rebounds and changed shots, allowing Amare to move over to the 4. And certainly a more defensive-minded coach could have this team playing a different brand of ball, but i like what i'm seeing so far.

Vic Sage Dec 07 2010 08:59 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

oh, and Turiaf's back from injury, Williams has played his way to into the rotation at Walker's expense, with Walker now on the IR, and they are looking to move Bully Boy for a backup PG. starting 5: Felton / Fields / Gallinari / Chandler / Stoudemire backups: Douglas /Williams / Turiaf / Mosgov bench: Randolph / Mason / Routins IR: Walker /Azabuike / Curry

batmagadanleadoff Dec 07 2010 09:05 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

oh, and Turiaf's back from injury, Williams has played his way to into the rotation at Walker's expense, with Walker now on the IR, and they are looking to move Bully Boy for a backup PG. starting 5: Felton / Fields / Gallinari / Chandler / Stoudemire backups: Douglas /Williams / Mosgov / Turiaf bench: Randolph / Mason / Routins IR: Walker /Azabuike / Curry I'm so distanced from the NBA that I doubt that I could name 15 active NBA'ers. The only two Knicks that I know anything about are Stoudemire and Rautins: I have this vague belief that Stoudemire is an all-star, but I wouldn't be able to identify him if you showed me his picture. I know Andy Rautins, but only from watching Syracuse b-ball. Not even the Mets were ever as wretched a franchise as the Knicks of the last decade.

Nymr83 Dec 08 2010 10:23 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

the Mets manage to seem worse because they dont have a huge overlap with football, hockey, the holidays, etc and they have the yankees to make them look bad all summer. in other words, a bad knicks team is just easier to ignore. and hey, look whose won 11 of 12!

The Second Spitter Dec 09 2010 04:33 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I went to a Clippers game while in LA -- but this is the only basketball league I follow these days. In many respects, better to watch than the NBA. What's your team?

Kong76 Dec 12 2010 12:36 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

When the moon hits your eye Like a big pizza pie That's Amar'e (his supporting cast doesn't rhythm)

metirish Dec 12 2010 12:58 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Kong76 wrote: When the moon hits your eye Like a big pizza pie That's Amar'e (his supporting cast doesn't rhythm) I watched the last quarter, it was a lot of fun, the knicks are fun again.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2010 08:44 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

For a city whose chief basketball export was-- still is, to some extent-- a certain breed of heady, tough, vision-endowed point guard, it's a real fuggin' shame that the Knicks get one of those every 20 years (if that). I don't know if Felton is QUITE this good-- he was damn good in college, but so are a lot of people-- but he's giving me a few Jackson-y feelings this year. This week's a rubber-road kinda week. We'll see. Either way, if they can keep up anything like this level of play, they're a playoff team.

Nymr83 Dec 13 2010 06:03 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

making the playoffs in a league that lets more than half the teams in doesnt really mean anything to me, you need to at least win the first round. still, this team is fun to watch (which is strange, because in other sports i prefer DEFENSE to back and forth scoring)

Vic Sage Dec 14 2010 09:51 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

starting 5: Felton / Fields / Gallinari / Chandler / Stoudemire backups: Douglas / Walker / Williams / Turiaf bench: Randolph / Mason / Mosgov / IR: Routins /Azabuike / Curry making the playoffs in a league that lets more than half the teams in doesnt really mean anything to me, you need to at least win the first round. still, this team is fun to watch (which is strange, because in other sports i prefer DEFENSE to back and forth scoring) * Making the playoffs is a big deal when you haven't made it in as long as the Knicks; * Offense in BB has an aesthetic element that other sports can't match. Still, i loved the brutality of Knicks D with Ewing-Mason-Oakley frontcourt; * As great as Amare has been recently, i'm concerned with the minutes he's playing and the shortening of the rotation by Dantoni. He's got to throw some minutes to Randolph and/or Mosgov, if Amare is going to make it thru this season, much less the next 4 he's signed for; * Felton is really this good, when playing in a Dantoni offense (see Nash, Steve); * I will be very unhappy if we trade both Fields & Chandler in a package for Melo (who is going to have trouble sharing the ball with Amare, making them both less effective); * I WANT A REBOUNDING, ELBOW-THROWING BIG MAN NOW!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2010 10:12 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I'm so very with you on a potential Melo trade. Even if you think he's a good fit-- I think he can work here-- he's all but said he won't extend with any other team if traded there... he seems essentially betrothed in his mind to the Knicks. So why give up even one of those two-- Fields or Chandler-- for an extra-half-year of Melo (which won't put the Knicks over the figurative top this season anyway)? And hell-- I'll just take a roadblock-for-other-teams'-big-men specimen of a big man, at this point. What's a Dalembert going for these days?

metirish Dec 14 2010 11:28 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Offense in BB has an aesthetic element that other sports can't match. Still, i loved the brutality of Knicks D with Ewing-Mason-Oakley frontcourt; Is there any team that plays that kind of defense today? Celtics?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2010 11:46 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

With the rule changes-- most prominently, the checks on hand-checking and other handsy defense-- of the last 10-15 years, teams CAN'T play that way. The Celts play good D, but it's most definitely not the same thing. So, Sage... are you saying you loved Laimbeer and Mahorn? Being really honest... I was a huge Knick fan, so I loved it. But there was NOTHING aesthetically pleasing about the McDaniel-Oak-Mason (defensively, Ewing was a bystander at that point) bruisers. The Bernie King-Tucker-early-Ewing Knicks were buckets more fun to actually watch.

Vic Sage Dec 14 2010 01:52 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

So, Sage... are you saying you loved Laimbeer and Mahorn? yes, in a "forbidden love" kind of way. I openly hated them, but was secretly jealous and admiring of their flagrant bullying. One thing i geniunely hated was the whole "what, me?" bs that Laimbeer always put on for the refs, and all the whining. Mason never said "boo". He just mugged you in the boys room and took your milk money. Being really honest... I was a huge Knick fan, so I loved it. But there was NOTHING aesthetically pleasing about the McDaniel-Oak-Mason (defensively, Ewing was a bystander at that point) bruisers. The Bernie King-Tucker-early-Ewing Knicks were buckets more fun to actually watch. agreed. that's what i said about BB offense. It has an aesthetic quality to which the brutality of good D is utterly indifferent. Although the steal and the blocked shot are defensive plays that have similar aesthetic appeal. This year's team is actually quite good in those departments, which, when added to their offensive explosiveness, makes them alot of fun, albeit inconsistent.

Nymr83 Dec 15 2010 06:15 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Knicks lead the 19 and 4 Celtics by 7 at the half.

Kong76 Dec 15 2010 07:45 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Coupla tenths of a second and .... dang!

Nymr83 Dec 15 2010 07:48 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

i hate instant replay!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 15 2010 08:38 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Hell of a show, boys.

metirish Dec 16 2010 06:57 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Roll back the years , in terms of atmosphere in the Garden anyway , can a loss like this be more impressive that some of the recent wins?, not sure if I am making sense but damn that was worth watching.

Vic Sage Dec 16 2010 11:20 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

missed the game... dang it.

Valadius Dec 16 2010 06:55 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Paul Pierce is my new Scottie Pippen. I hated Pippen with a passion back in the day.

Nymr83 Dec 17 2010 05:20 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Knicks-Heat is under way, I haven't cared about the NBA for awhile but this year's exciting Knicks team had me ready for game-time for the first time in years tonight, as opposed to just watching them because I had nothing else to do. The crowd sounds pumped up!

Nymr83 Dec 17 2010 05:34 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

can the crowd really keep up the chorus of boos for lebron every time he touches the ball all night? you'd think he played here or something, this isnt Roger Clemens returning to Boston in pinstripes here...

Kong76 Dec 17 2010 06:56 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

That thud you may have heard or felt was the Knicks' third quarter tonight.

Nymr83 Dec 17 2010 07:51 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

thats ok, the Knicks aren't a championship-caliber team yet, but they hung with the best two teams in the East for 3 out of 4 halves of basketball this week. its progress.

Kong76 Dec 17 2010 07:58 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I ain't complaining, at least they're watchable again.

Nymr83 Dec 18 2010 07:58 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

A disappointing performance against the Cavaliers tonight.

Kong76 Dec 25 2010 10:05 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Going with ESPN this afternoon ... ain't listening to Tripukeah and whassisname for two and half hours.

Kong76 Dec 25 2010 11:06 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Kurt Thomas? Starting? He's gotta be like 50 years old lol.

Vic Sage Jan 04 2011 12:48 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

[u:5du5l8rn]starting 5:[/u:5du5l8rn] Felton / Fields / Chandler / Stoudemire / Turiaf [u:5du5l8rn]backups:[/u:5du5l8rn] Douglas / Walker / Williams / [Mosgov-Randolph?] [u:5du5l8rn]bench: [/u:5du5l8rn]Mason /Routins [u:5du5l8rn]IR:[/u:5du5l8rn] Gallinari /Azabuike / Curry With Gallo out 2-3 weeks with a sprained knee, and most of the starters banged up due to minor injuries and major minutes, is it time for D'Antoni finally to turn to either Mosgov and/or Randolph to start playing a role on this team? I think he has to. Randolph can help on the boards, where we are getting killed regularly.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 04 2011 01:17 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

If Randolph can do what he do, I far prefer the team's makeup without Gallo than with.

Kong76 Jan 04 2011 07:55 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Spurs left their jingle jangle jingle on the dusty trail tonight.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 28 2011 09:53 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

19 pts (6-11/4-4), 13 boards (5 of them offensive), 6 dimes. Oh, Landry, don't hurt 'em. Oh, wait? It's the Heat? Go ahead and hurt 'em. Nice shots from Gallinari down the stretch, too. Man, even when they're coming off a six-game losing streak... this is one likable damn team.

Valadius Feb 01 2011 10:28 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

There is the distinct possibility, sez the Times, that Donnie Walsh's contract won't be picked up at the end of the year and that Jimmy the Pinhead will bring Isiah back.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 01 2011 02:08 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

My Sweet Lord. I had just gotten rid of the eye twitch I nursed for five years while Isaiah did his thing. From the staggeringly terrible to stunningly awesome, here's some nice eye candy: every NBA Dunk Contest dunk ever, indexed by score/year via quick-to-navigate visualization.

Vic Sage Feb 01 2011 02:56 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Vic Sage wrote: With Gallo out 2-3 weeks with a sprained knee, and most of the starters banged up due to minor injuries and major minutes, is it time for D'Antoni finally to turn to either Mosgov and/or Randolph to start playing a role on this team? I think he has to. Randolph can help on the boards, where we are getting killed regularly. Well, it took a month (plus an injury to Chandler, a suspension for Williams, and foul trouble for Turiaf), but Anthony and Mosgov finally saw some minutes. And guess what? 23pts/14reb for Timo... that's what. starting 5: Felton / Fields / Gallinari / Stoudemire / Turiaf backups: Douglas / Williams / Randolph / Mosgov bench: Routins / Mason / Walker IR: Chandler /Azabuike / Curry I'm not even going to dignify the Isiah rumors with a derogatory comment. I'm enjoying this season too much to address the possiblity of the Sith Lord's return.

Valadius Feb 03 2011 02:39 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Ultimately, the Knicks were only fined $200,000 for the Rodney Heard mess. Heard was also fined $20,000. No loss of draft picks.

Nymr83 Feb 03 2011 08:36 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Valadius wrote: Ultimately, the Knicks were only fined $200,000 for the Rodney Heard mess. Heard was also fined $20,000. No loss of draft picks. What draft picks? didn't Isiah give them all away for the next 10 years?

Kong76 Feb 06 2011 11:12 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

The Melo drums are beating again ... @Chris_Broussard: Knicks, Nuggets, Twolves discussing 3-team trade. Melo to NYK; Chandler, Corey Brewer, Minny 1st rnd pick to Den; ECurry, ARandolph to Minny

metirish Feb 06 2011 11:14 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

any deal that rids the knicks of Eddie fucking Curry has my blessing.

Kong76 Feb 06 2011 11:58 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I forgot he's still here, sorta.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 06 2011 12:21 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

And Fields stays? Sounds too good to be true.

Valadius Feb 06 2011 04:19 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Hey, if Minnesota thinks any free agent wants to sign with them, be my guest.

Kong76 Feb 19 2011 08:04 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I'd be surprised if Carmelo Anthony isn't introduced as a Knickerbocker in a Monday press conference sporting a nice big contract extension. That Russian billionaire dude gives me the hebbie jebbies.

Valadius Feb 20 2011 12:47 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 20 2011 01:12 PM

We're doomed. If nobody buys the Knicks from Jimmy the Pinhead we're fated to forever suck: Adrian Wojnarowski: Isiah Thomas now negotiating Carmelo Anthony trade The thin veil of secrecy has torn away now, the pretenses gone and Isiah Thomas has left the shadows and moved into the light again. Once more, he is the New York Knicks’ top basketball executive. Thomas is driving everything through owner James Dolan – the trade for Carmelo Anthony, the departure of Donnie Walsh and perhaps even the eventual hiring of the New York Knicks’ next president and general manager, multiple league sources told Yahoo! Sports. “Isiah is calling the shots for New York,” said one front-office executive with knowledge of the Anthony trade talks. “It’s a disgrace. Donnie should walk.” It's the nightmare that never ends. Unless somebody can get a restraining order against Isiah Thomas to keep him away from James Dolan and the Knicks, his ego will continue to rip apart this franchise.

metirish Feb 20 2011 12:51 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

It beggars belief , any goodwill built at MSG the last few years will surely disappear if Thomas is back weather unofficially or officially, yeah if the Knicks get Anthony that will sooth things over but once Thomas starts to "build" his championship team he will fuck it all up again.

Frayed Knot Feb 20 2011 01:48 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I've paid as little attention to this ongoing soap opera as possible, but the one thing I picked up via osmosis over the last few days is that it sounded like Dolan basically blurted out his highest offer right off the bat as soon as word got out that the Nets were back into things, essentially robbing Donnie Walsh of any shot he had of starting with a lower offer and negotiating into things. The fact that Isiah is behind the scenes pulling the strings just means all the above suddenly makes sense. Stunning incompetence at the top of that org.

Valadius Feb 21 2011 07:25 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

What the Knicks should do: call the Nuggets' bluff, don't trade for Carmelo, who winds up not being traded at all, and sign him this summer. What they will do: blow up the team thanks to Isiah Thomas' gigantic ego and become a mess once again.

metirish Feb 21 2011 09:06 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

NYT NEWS ALERT: Denver Nuggets Are Said to Trade Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks

The Second Spitter Feb 21 2011 09:09 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 21 2011 09:23 PM

NYK get Melo, Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman. Give up Chandler, Felton, Gallinari, Mozgov OE: Curry and Randolph to Minnesota

Valadius Feb 21 2011 09:11 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I'm gonna be sick.

metirish Feb 21 2011 09:13 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Valadius wrote: I'm gonna be sick. why?, please don't tell me you will miss any of the four "name" players the Knicks gave up, fucks sake Mozgov was benched not too long ago.

The Second Spitter Feb 21 2011 09:15 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Carter + Williams + Balkman = Denver's trash.

Valadius Feb 21 2011 09:27 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Renaldo Balkman = Isiah Thomas is coming back.

metirish Feb 21 2011 09:31 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

from the times As part of the deal, the Knicks will send Anthony Randolph, Eddy Curry and $3 million to Minnesota, in exchange for Corey Brewer. The Knicks have not yet decided whether to keep Brewer or flip him in another deal. They have several other trade possibilities in the works as they approach the N.B.A.’s Thursday trading deadline.

Valadius Feb 21 2011 09:37 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

They don't have a backup center. They'll no longer rain three-pointers.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 21 2011 09:39 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Way to "sucker" a team bargaining from a position of weakness into an overpay... on your part. This stinks of a Dolan-Thomas production.

Elster88 Feb 21 2011 09:51 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

The players the Knicks gave up can be replaced. Even a stud like Timofey Mozgov. It's hard to get a guy like Carmelo. If you feel sick, take a deep breath and a couple of Immodium, and stop being an idiot.

The Second Spitter Feb 21 2011 10:00 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Including Gallo and a 1st rounder was the overkill. Hopefully they'll flick Balkman to someone for a decent centre.

MFS62 Feb 22 2011 06:42 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 22 2011 06:46 AM

I want to thank Knick management for bringing back the 140-135 point American Basketball Association games I used to watch. Problem is, I don't think they will be winning many of them. Later

Benjamin Grimm Feb 22 2011 06:44 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

metirish wrote: Valadius wrote: I'm gonna be sick. why?, please don't tell me you will miss any of the four "name" players the Knicks gave up, fucks sake Mozgov was benched not too long ago. I can only assume that the Knicks must have given up Kevin Mulvey.

Ashie62 Feb 22 2011 07:00 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Lets develop Gallinari and trade him. Hoping the Knicks get Chris Paul..

Frayed Knot Feb 22 2011 08:18 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I know it's partly because there's not much else going on at this time of year, but this story is being treated - both locally and nationally - like it's the deal of the century.

HahnSolo Feb 22 2011 08:24 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Way to "sucker" a team bargaining from a position of weakness into an overpay... on your part. This stinks of a Dolan-Thomas production. This. This. And I am happy Melo is on the team, but the Knicks don't look all that swift here.

metirish Feb 22 2011 08:29 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Frayed Knot wrote: I know it's partly because there's not much else going on at this time of year, but this story is being treated - both locally and nationally - like it's the deal of the century. I made the mistake last night of tuning to espn news when the deal broke, I think they were more excited to point out endlessly that they broke the news months ago yyybbb.....cue hosts dialing up Chris Broussard to congratulate him on the exclusive. It's impossible to watch espn.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 22 2011 09:09 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Say you're a kid, growing up with a single, widowed mom. After your fairly solid-if-imperfect father passes, your mom proceeds to date a series of well-meaning-but-weak men who try and keep the same sort of family vibe your family had before-- keeping a lot of the same decor, making costly repairs to keep the same plumbing and furniture in place-- but ultimately proving pale shadows of the man who preceded them. The next guy she dates is a good-looking guy with an iffy dating history. He's a charmer, though... and he has a few gifts. Specifically, he's a gourmand; the first time he spends the night, there's an amazing-smelling set of cinnamon buns out on the table the next morning. Best breakfast ever! Over the course of the next several years, he proceeds to develop-- or reveal?-- a massive drug habit, personality disorder that has you both living in fear, and a smirking, very real contempt for you. His disconnect from reality grows greater and greater, and he won't accept any opposition in his house; in spite of the messages from collection agencies, the police interventions, HIS family's pleadings, he remains convinced-- he knows what's best. By the time the law intervenes, and he's sent away on felony charges, your mother is a shell of a woman with a torched credit rating, and you've gone from curious, engaged kid to shell-shocked, socially-maladjusted adolescent. Only, amazingly enough, a good family friend-- one who'd been pushed to the background by your mom's previous paramour-- introduces her to a nice guy. He's a little older, but... well... he genuinely cares. He's funny, he's smart, and he's good to her... and to you. Bit by bit, your mother's beauty, confidence and strength return. And hey-- turns out that the guy can COOK, too. Hell, you're THISclose to calling him, "Dad." Then, one morning, out of nowhere, while the new guy is away on a business trip... you stumble out of your room, and are smacked by a familiar smell. It's deep, rich, sweet... it's cinnamon buns. Carmelo's the new cinnamon buns.

Edgy DC Feb 22 2011 09:54 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

That's an extended metaphor.

metirish Feb 22 2011 10:06 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Say you're a kid, growing up with a single, widowed mom. After your fairly solid-if-imperfect father passes, your mom proceeds to date a series of well-meaning-but-weak men who try and keep the same sort of family vibe your family had before-- keeping a lot of the same decor, making costly repairs to keep the same plumbing and furniture in place-- but ultimately proving pale shadows of the man who preceded them. The next guy she dates is a good-looking guy with an iffy dating history. He's a charmer, though... and he has a few gifts. Specifically, he's a gourmand; the first time he spends the night, there's an amazing-smelling set of cinnamon buns out on the table the next morning. Best breakfast ever! Over the course of the next several years, he proceeds to develop-- or reveal?-- a massive drug habit, personality disorder that has you both living in fear, and a smirking, very real contempt for you. His disconnect from reality grows greater and greater, and he won't accept any opposition in his house; in spite of the messages from collection agencies, the police interventions, HIS family's pleadings, he remains convinced-- he knows what's best. By the time the law intervenes, and he's sent away on felony charges, your mother is a shell of a woman with a torched credit rating, and you've gone from curious, engaged kid to shell-shocked, socially-maladjusted adolescent. Only, amazingly enough, a good family friend-- one who'd been pushed to the background by your mom's previous paramour-- introduces her to a nice guy. He's a little older, but... well... he genuinely cares. He's funny, he's smart, and he's good to her... and to you. Bit by bit, your mother's beauty, confidence and strength return. And hey-- turns out that the guy can COOK, too. Hell, you're THISclose to calling him, "Dad." Then, one morning, out of nowhere, while the new guy is away on a business trip... you stumble out of your room, and are smacked by a familiar smell. It's deep, rich, sweet... it's cinnamon buns. Carmelo's the new cinnamon buns. hilarious

metirish Feb 22 2011 12:57 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Here's one for the books Gallinari reached out to Omar February, 22, 2011 By Adam Rubin Omar Minaya speaks Italian from his days working in professional baseball in Italy, and he befriended Danilo Gallinari in recent years. So when Gallinari was traded to the Denver Nuggets in the Carmelo Anthony deal, the ex-Knick reached out to the ex-Met GM, according to Newsday's Jim Baumbach. "For us he's like family," Minaya told Baumbach. "He basically had nobody here, and I built a relationship with him and his mother and father. We had a friendship. Basically, I let his mother know there's someone here for him." The two even watched the ball drop at Times Square last New Year's Eve. Who knew Omar spoke Italian?, I didn't.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 22 2011 01:02 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Some would say that he can't even speak English.

Edgy DC Feb 22 2011 01:03 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

The last Knicks team that really had a place in my heart started Truck Robinson, Bill Cartwright, and Sly Williams up front, with Michael Ray Richardson and Ray Williams in the backcourt. Welcome back, Ray.

Frayed Knot Feb 22 2011 01:22 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

metirish wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I know it's partly because there's not much else going on at this time of year, but this story is being treated - both locally and nationally - like it's the deal of the century. I made the mistake last night of tuning to espn news when the deal broke, I think they were more excited to point out endlessly that they broke the news months ago yyybbb.....cue hosts dialing up Chris Broussard to congratulate him on the exclusive. It's impossible to watch espn. Considering that the 'Four Letter Network' will take credit for just about any story whether they had a hand in it or not, this is not really surprising. And even when they can't figure out a way to claim one as their own they'll still often announce it as, "ESPN confirms a story first reported by the Idaho Free Press that CC Sabathia ate GM Brian Cashman earlier today" - as if the fact that THEIR confirmation of another outfit's work finally makes it official and therefore they get credit for some kind of post-story assist. The bottom line is that the NBA has become such a star-driven league that stories like this are tailor-made for the folks in Bristol. I heard someone on radio claim that 'SportsCenter' this morning devoted 27 minutes of their one-hour show to all things Carmelo. I have no idea if that's totally accurate but it's certainly plausible.

Lefty Specialist Feb 22 2011 01:26 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I'll never look at cinnamon buns the same way again.

Vic Sage Feb 22 2011 01:57 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

i thought Isiah was the roguish drug addict, back again cooking up a new batch of cinnamon buns. in any event, here's what we look like now: starters: Billups / Field / Anthony / Stoudemire / Turiaf rotation: Douglas / Brewer / Shawne Williams / Sheldon Williams Bench: Carter, Walker, Balkman IR: Routins, Azubuike, Mason I wouldn't be surprised if one of Carter, Mason or Balkman were released outright to make room for another big body, perhaps the return of Earl Barron? my take on the trade: We got the best player in the deal. period. I just don't know that he's necessarily a complimentary player who will fit in well with Amare. It remains to be seen what other pieces (if any) get put around them, and how they adapt to each other. As to what we gave up: Gallo is a nice, developing player but Carmelo Anthony is better than Gallo is or ever will be. Felton was a product of a system, just like he was under Larry Brown, and was only signed for this and next year, just like Billups, who is still not too bad, even at this late point in his career, along with Anthony Carter, who might give us a few minutes at PG. Chandler was a nice multi-dimensional young player, but he's had an extensive injury history already and was about to price himself off our roster as a restricted FA. He's replaced by Brewer (who can't score, but is a young, long, athletic defender) and Balkman (who is bulkier, but with a similar game). Mosgov remains a big "?", with a few big games this year. Sheldon Williams actually gives us a better big body down low to split time with Turiaf at C in the near term, and he's fairly young. In addition, we gave up Curry's contract (yeah!) and the other Anthony, who has not developed at all for 2 teams. And, surprisingly, we got to keep Landry Fields, who is my favorite player on the roster right now. so, all in all, i'm not convinced that this move makes the Knicks a top 4 team in the East, but there better today than they were yesterday, and they didn't give up any longterm assets that i felt very strongly about. Still, to the extent this deal is an omen of the return of Isiah, it makes me nervous that we will not be able to capitalize on the upgrade and turn it into a long-term turnaround for the franchise.

seawolf17 Feb 22 2011 02:19 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Man, the Knicks are going to be awesome when the new CBA demands all teams play 2-on-2, "NBA Jam" style.

batmagadanleadoff Feb 22 2011 03:47 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I've distanced myself from the Knicks over the past 10 years to such a degree, that I can't form an opinion on the Melo trade, one way or another. But here's an interesting NYT analysis on the economics of the trade: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... ss&emc=rss

Kong76 Feb 23 2011 07:40 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

How 'bout Toney Douglas through three tonight!!

Nymr83 Feb 23 2011 07:50 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Allen Iverson's critique of the value of practice is being blown up tonight, where despite a lead the Knicks look like they are playing a big pickup game!

metirish Feb 23 2011 07:58 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I love FiOS and am glad I changed from Cablevision but don't have MSG in HD......and SD sucks, they are taking Dolan to court, he's such a prick at things like this.

Nymr83 Feb 23 2011 08:01 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Douglas looking goooood after i bad-mouthed him at work today, he's going to be an even more important part of this team going forward as you'd expect it would be wise to give the older Billups less minutes than Felton was getting.

Nymr83 Feb 23 2011 08:08 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Stoudemire just picked up a REALLY unnecessary technical foul (his 15th) for throwing his goggles after fouling out. The call wasnt even questionable on the blocking foul, imo. His next one will get him a 1-game suspension.

Frayed Knot Feb 25 2011 08:16 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I know it's partly because there's not much else going on at this time of year, but this story is being treated - both locally and nationally - like it's the deal of the century. I made the mistake last night of tuning to espn news when the deal broke, I think they were more excited to point out endlessly that they broke the news months ago yyybbb.....cue hosts dialing up Chris Broussard to congratulate him on the exclusive. It's impossible to watch espn. As a follow-up to this from Phil Mushnick's column today: ESPN’s dishonest rush for self-promotion has led to this: Wednesday both ESPN Radio and ESPN.com credited ESPN’s Chris Broussard with breaking the Carmelo Anthony trade. Yet, when Broussard was introduced by Colin Cowherd on ESPN Radio as having broken the story, Broussard, to the credit of honest reporters everywhere, made it clear that he hadn’t, that the scoop belonged to the Denver Post. No matter, Cowherd continued to credit “ESPN’s Chris Broussard.” But ESPN has painted itself into such a mindlessly self-serving corner that when one of its reporters does break a story — and is given credit for it — thoughtful sports fans are conditioned to doubt it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 25 2011 08:51 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Anyone else feel like the Nets made the better blockbuster trade this week?

Vic Sage Feb 25 2011 09:00 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Donnie Walsh probably thinks so.

Kong76 Feb 25 2011 07:47 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Knicks struggling against the Cavs ... the shine is gone.

Kong76 Feb 25 2011 07:53 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Billups sends me a big FU!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 25 2011 09:24 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I don't know anything about the NBA but to a casual outside observer like me I didn't see any real compelling reason for the Knicks to make this trade. They are virtually immobile in the standings -- far enough behind the leaders that they'll never catch them, and comfortably ahead of the next tier behind them. Only a complete freak occurrence (plane crash etc) would affect them either way. They will enter in the same seed in the playoffs, and play the same teams. That in fact is an issue with the NBA, you know the playoff teams about 3 weeks into the season and very little changes. So why? Is this trade going to make them so good that they'll go an extra round in the playoffs, or ideally, an extra round after that? And what does that provide? If not, why surrender the flexibility and depth now, couldn't they engineer a more efficient upgrade after the year? Just questions from a NBA Illiterate here. By the way I often look at this thread and read it as "The Kinks Suck" and click on it thinking, "No they don't you cocksuckers!" and then realize, it's just the NBA.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 25 2011 09:29 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Congratulations, JCL-- you know more than Jim Dolan and whoever orchestrated the trade-- hint: it wasn't Donnie-- do about assembling a professional basketball squadron. (Also, you're probably a damn sight better at poker.)

metirish Feb 25 2011 09:30 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

If Donnie Walsh had his way he might still make this trade but not for the pieces given up, I look at this trade as another piece for next season, Chris Paul and some others will be free agents. Who the fuck knows if Donnie will even be with the org after April.

Edgy DC Feb 26 2011 09:09 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I care so damn little about the NBA, I can't give you any rational reasons why this trade was made and whether it should have been, but when I see my brother update his status profile at 6:10 AM to "The Knicks got 'Melo!" I think I pretty much (a) know why it was made and (b) know it probably was shortsighted.

Frayed Knot Feb 26 2011 10:21 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I don't pretend to have an informed opinion of the personnel involved in these deals but, from the way I understand it, the prevailing wisdom behind deals like this in the NBA says that a team with three stars surrounded by nine guys named Joe stands you a better chance of getting to and advancing in the playoffs than does one with a lone star even if backed by a deeper supporting cast. In short, the deal for 'Melo was made because he's a star who was available and, even if the effects on the team right now are greater in a PR sense than they are on the court, the idea is that moves can be made later on to land one more star (probably through Free-Agency) at which point you'll have a competitive team no matter who is manning the interchangeable roles around them. Having said all that -- and coupled with the thought that I like to think of myself as being reasonably well-versed about the structural and behind-the-scenes issues that surround each of the "major" American sports even though I really only follow baseball -- the goings-on of the NBA totally confound me.

Valadius Feb 26 2011 10:47 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Up until the trades of Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen to Boston, the conventional wisdom in the NBA was that you needed two superstars to win a championship, and that you'd fill out the roster with a lesser star and dependable role players. Now the three superstars model is in vogue, and I maintain what I said then - this model is going to destroy what little competition the NBA had left. The same teams year after year have .700 or .800 winning percentages. The gulf between the haves and have-nots is going to be so incredibly wide that you are likely to see some franchises go into a period of financial instability, with nobody showing up to see their crap team for an exorbitant ticket price.

metirish Feb 26 2011 11:37 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

The NBA is unwatchable , yes I tuned in for Anthony's Knick debut but that's it.

Frayed Knot Feb 26 2011 12:26 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Valadius wrote: Up until the trades of Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen to Boston, the conventional wisdom in the NBA was that you needed two superstars to win a championship, and that you'd fill out the roster with a lesser star and dependable role players. Now the three superstars model is in vogue, and I maintain what I said then - this model is going to destroy what little competition the NBA had left. The same teams year after year have .700 or .800 winning percentages. The gulf between the haves and have-nots is going to be so incredibly wide that you are likely to see some franchises go into a period of financial instability, with nobody showing up to see their crap team for an exorbitant ticket price. Teams with .700+ winning pcts (or sub-.300) representing a huge gulf between the haves and have-nots have always been the case with the NBA and are hardly something that dates just from the Garnett/Celtic era. There was a time when the only teams to get on network TV were the Lakers, Celtics & the (Doctor J led) 76ers. And even since, the last 30 championships (or close to it) are property of just seven franchises.* * On edit: eight NBA teams won the last 32 titles ... or seven have all of the previous 27 76ers - 1 (1983) Heat = 1 Rockets = 2 Pistons = 3 Spurs = 4 Celtics = 4 Bulls = 6 Lakers = 10

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 27 2011 09:12 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Wow. So... anyone have some dramamine?

Vic Sage Mar 01 2011 07:57 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

more changes: starters: Billups / Field / Anthony / Stoudemire / Turiaf rotation: Douglas / Walker / Sha. Williams / Jared Jeffries Bench: Carter, She. Williams, Balkman IR: Routins, Mason, _____ I wouldn't be surprised if one of Carter, Mason or Balkman were released outright to make room for another big body, perhaps the return of Earl Barron? But i AM surprised they bought out Brewer, a talented young wing defender, and gave up on Azubuike, in order to add old pal Jared Jeffries. Did Brewer molest puppies or something? With the available roster spot, they're still going to make another move... Barron still a possibility. I just don't get keeping Mason over Azu or Brewer. Anyway, great win in Miami. Billups will be the difference maker down the stretch this season.

Edgy DC Mar 01 2011 08:01 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Like the Knicks would care if somebody molested puppies.

Valadius Mar 01 2011 09:13 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Vic Sage wrote: But i AM surprised they bought out Brewer They did WHAT?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 01 2011 09:53 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Yeah, what the hell? Brewer only covered an area of, like, DRASTIC need.

Valadius Mar 01 2011 10:09 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Brewer's a defensive specialist. The Knicks need defense. And Jared Jeffries is a piece of crap.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 01 2011 10:22 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Oh, I know-- I was agreeing. If anything, they'd be better off in the short term if they supplanted everyone not named Anthony, Billups, Fields, or Stoudamire with an army of athletic, arm-waving, floor-running Brewers.

Vic Sage Mar 01 2011 10:36 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

i would follow an army of brewers into combat!

Vic Sage Mar 01 2011 02:42 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Knicks fill last roster spot with Derrick Brown, cut by Bobcats http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2011/ ... ?ref=yahoo A young small forward out of Xavier... with some potential, apparently. Basically, a cheaper Brewer type, with more offensive upside. I'd still prefer a center, even Earl Barron, for this season. but that's probably their last move. starters: Billups / Field / Anthony / Stoudemire / Turiaf rotation: Douglas / Walker / Sha. Williams / Jared Jeffries Bench: Carter, She. Williams, Balkman IR: Routins, Mason, Derrick Brown

Kong76 Mar 28 2011 08:34 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Crazy-ass game tonight!

Vic Sage Mar 29 2011 08:42 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

up by 3 with 10 seconds to go, and Jeffries is "guarding" Richardson by not getting up to him and not even raising his arms, allowing him an open 3 to tie the game. That's how they've been playing lately. Luckily, this time, they came back in OT to win. But I don't get the continuing presence of Jeffries on the roster, much less continuing to log minutes over sheldon williams (who was an animal last night) or anyone else, for that matter. this "team" sucks. Melo is EXACTLY the kind of 1-dimensional player i was afraid he'd be. He pouts if he doesn't get the ball, and when he does get the ball, it stops moving until he gets off a terrible shot with 3 guys on him. He has no heart for defense, and rebounds by accident. All his shots have come at Amare's expense, by and large, which has caused Amare, who had been having an all-star year, to disappear during large chunks of games. They clearly have no idea how to play together, and the Knicks are better when only one of them is on the floor at a time. Billups, by the way, is done, and his $14+m option should NOT be picked up. Douglas has emerged as a force, and i'd rather they use the $ to get an actual, real life center. I'll take Tyson Chandler for $10m, Alex. "oh, but it takes time, Vic!" yeah, bite me. How much time is it taking Denver to take our former players and build a multi-dimensional 2-way team? They haven't bemoaned the absence of the Melo, that's for sure. they practically thru a party on his departure. This deal was driven by Walsh's desire for "stars", with support from Isiah, i'm sure, and will be another Starbury debacle. Same old knicks.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 29 2011 09:18 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

They used to play defense that would make you grind your teeth. Now they're that way at both ends. We had a nice team for, like, a half-season there.

Nymr83 Mar 30 2011 08:46 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

This deal was driven by Walsh's desire for "stars", with support from Isiah, i'm sure, and will be another Starbury debacle Everything I've read seems to suggest that the deal was driven by DOLAN'S desire for Melo-at-any-cost while Walsh favored waiting for the summer so as not to blow up the team for the guy.

metsmarathon Mar 31 2011 01:05 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

b-b-b-b-but you can't win without two superstars!

Vic Sage Mar 31 2011 03:07 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Nymr83 wrote: This deal was driven by Walsh's desire for "stars", with support from Isiah, i'm sure, and will be another Starbury debacle Everything I've read seems to suggest that the deal was driven by DOLAN'S desire for Melo-at-any-cost while Walsh favored waiting for the summer so as not to blow up the team for the guy. yes, i meant DOLAN, not Walsh. brain fart. DOH.

Vic Sage Apr 04 2011 10:54 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Knicks clinch first playoff slot in years, finally beating lowly Cavs. starters: Billups / Fields / Anthony / Stoudemire / She.Williams rotation: Carter / Douglas / Walker / She. Williams / Jeffries Bench: Turiaf, Mason IR:Routins, Balkman, Brown

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 04 2011 11:03 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Courtesy of BetterHalfer, happened to see this in person. They won, and are in, so, y'know, "yay." But the defense... Christ. At points, it was like they were running plays specifically to open driving lanes for Hickson and Anthony Parker.

Vic Sage Apr 15 2011 10:29 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

So the Knicks finish the season in 2nd place, 42-40, with the best record by a Knicks team since the end of the Ewing era (2000-01), earning a 6th seed in the playoffs and a 1st round matchup with Boston Celtics. Do they have a shot? According to Tommy Heinson, Rondo has a foot problem and Shaq probably won't play much. So yeah, i think the `Bockers have a puncher's chance. likely rotation: starters: Billups / Fields / Anthony / Stoudemire / Turiaf rotation: Douglas / Sha. Williams / Jeffries Bench: Carter, Mason, Walker, She.Williams IR:Balkman, Brown, Routins

metirish Apr 15 2011 10:41 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Plus the Celtics are not playing at all that good since trading away Perkins....if you believe the people up there that was a terrible trade.

Nymr83 Apr 16 2011 03:21 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Knicks need to play Douglas alot if possible, I'd rather see him on Rondo defensively than anyone else.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 16 2011 11:34 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Agreed. The bench has started to really show us something in recent weeks. Guys like Shawn Williams and Douglas will play a BIG role in making this more than a ritual lower-seed supplication.

Nymr83 Apr 17 2011 05:14 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

2 fouls on Carmelo in the first minute of the game, this is a recipe for a loss.

Nymr83 Apr 17 2011 06:11 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Suprise! 51-39 Knicks at the half!

Kong76 Apr 17 2011 06:29 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Why do I feel like they'll come out hand the Knicks' heads to them. That was nice half, nice bench contributions!

Nymr83 Apr 17 2011 06:33 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

The Boston fans are intense, booing every Knick possession, free throw, or even obviously correct calls that go against the Celtics. It feels like all the long rebounds find their way to a Celtic.

Nymr83 Apr 17 2011 07:38 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

FUCKFUCKFUCK

Kong76 Apr 17 2011 07:39 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

. [bigpurple:3ugmcu2n]FUCK!!![/bigpurple:3ugmcu2n]

metirish Apr 17 2011 07:51 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

that was a real kick in the bals......fuck

Willets Point Apr 17 2011 08:08 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Hooray for Boston!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 17 2011 08:23 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

FUCKing Knicks.

Frayed Knot Apr 17 2011 09:18 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Just as a general comment - there are way too many time-outs in basketball. The ends of games are rarely more than 5 second spurts which each take several minutes of real time to play.

The Second Spitter Apr 17 2011 10:32 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Frayed Knot wrote: Just as a general comment - there are way too many time-outs in basketball. The ends of games are rarely more than 5 second spurts which each take several minutes of real time to play. Reason #53 why FIBA rules > NBA rules.

seawolf17 Apr 18 2011 05:17 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Willets Point wrote: Hooray for Boston! Whoooo!

metirish Apr 19 2011 08:00 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Don't know how to finish out a game do they?, and for fucks sake when Garrnet hit the go ahead shot he looked like a rugby player backing into the Knicks player(can't remember who), and as pointed out by Kerr? not chasing back West was a wtf moment.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 19 2011 09:45 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Any team that relies on Jared Jeffries for anything of consequence deserves success as much as a team that relies on Charles Smith for anything of consequence.

Kong76 Apr 20 2011 02:02 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Is there anything that isn't on youtube? [youtube:1e29knz9]bRFKhpMKX0E[/youtube:1e29knz9]

Vic Sage Apr 20 2011 11:20 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Any team that relies on Jared Jeffries for anything of consequence deserves success as much as a team that relies on Charles Smith for anything of consequence. this.

Nymr83 Apr 20 2011 07:48 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Kong76 wrote: Is there anything that isn't on youtube? [youtube]bRFKhpMKX0E[/youtube] i hate you

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 20 2011 09:07 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Leitch did a pretty decent job unpacking last night's Knick loss. Know that this is as bad as it will get, that this is the start of something, that Carmelo Anthony showed himself to be the sort of talent that is worth trading everything for. The type of talent that, when he's on the floor with Bill Walker and Roger Mason and Jared freaking Jeffries, makes you think you still have a chance. The Knicks lost tonight, and it hurt, and the Knicks are probably going to lose this series, and that will hurt even more. But with everything stripped away, all the cameras and the fawning profiles, and the reality television, all of it gone ... the Knicks had a player who could change everything, all by himself, and imprint a memory on your brain that will never go away. That matters. That counts.

The Second Spitter Apr 21 2011 09:24 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Watched the Knicks game in 3D -- pretty awesome experience, it was.

Nymr83 Apr 24 2011 03:56 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

if anyone turned out the blowout in disgust, its now only a 4-point game again!

metirish Apr 24 2011 04:50 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Celtics win and send the knicks home, even though they were home but you know what I mean. They needed one of those games in Boston didn't they? I hope Dolan relaxes and keeps Walsh, if he feels the need to fire someone then fire Tortarella.

Nymr83 Apr 24 2011 07:26 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Games 1, 2, and 4 were winnable. A healthy Billups and Stoudemire could have taken this series to 6. Now the offseason begins, Knicks looking for a real big man

metirish Jun 03 2011 04:15 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I didn't see the story but Walsh is out with the Knicks, saw a tweet that Isaiah Thomas has "no desire to return as Knicks president ".

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 03 2011 09:14 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Grunwald, a former Thomas guy, is leading the GM search. The Knick fan part of me is already sitting in a corner of my mind with explosives strapped to his chest. Another part of me would think it absolutely hilarious if they were to hire him back again, and enjoy becoming something of a Knick anti-fan.

Vic Sage Jun 03 2011 09:39 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

fuckin-fuckety-fuck-fuck Walsh, at least take D'Antoni with you!

Vic Sage Jun 06 2011 11:52 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

have i mentioned lately that Jim Dolan can go fuck himself?

metirish Jun 06 2011 12:04 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Vic Sage wrote: have i mentioned lately that Jim Dolan can go fuck himself? D'Antoni is a dead man walking no? Dolan is possibly the biggest fucker ever, I just don't even wanty to think about any remote chance that Thomas is coming back.

Methead Jun 06 2011 08:02 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

You guys have seen this, right? At this point I'm convinced he sucks at damn near everything. In stark contrast to myself, who can't figure out how to embed a video anymore. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIiM91tc1fk

metirish Jun 06 2011 08:26 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Methead wrote: You guys have seen this, right? At this point I'm convinced he sucks at damn near everything. In stark contrast to myself, who can't figure out how to embed a video anymore. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIiM91tc1fk I actually watched the whole thing and was thinking this is what the rich jerk has his MSG people do for him, make pro quality live studio type videos. It must be great to have daddy's money.

Vic Sage Jun 08 2011 08:56 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

I loved some of the comments there. Especially: This? was great. Seriously. Dolan should seriously think about quitting his day job and taking up singing full time. yeah, Jimmy, hang up the whole sports management bs and take your shit on the road, dude. Why concern yourself wif yo daddy's business? You rock!

MFS62 Jun 08 2011 09:16 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Since we're talking hoops: I don't get to see the weekday playoff games because I'm working. But I sometimes listen driving home. And if nobody has said it before, Dr. Jack Ramsey is, IMO, the best analyst in the history of radio - for any sport. He doesn't re-hash what just happened, or go "ooh and aah" like most of them do. He tells you why or how something happened within the context of the flow of the game. He sees things that even slo-mo couldn't pick up. An example: the other night, he was talking about how Chris Bosch only drives the middle from the left of the basket. He then said that when he gets the ball on the right side of the key he only shoots turn-around jumpers. Sure enough, next posession, Bosch gets the ball on the right side of the key and immediately put up a jumper. I now return this thread to the discussion of Knick suckitude. Later

batmagadanleadoff Jun 08 2011 11:53 AM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

You guys have seen this, right? At this point I'm convinced he sucks at damn near everything. In stark contrast to myself, who can't figure out how to embed a video anymore. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIiM91tc1fk Dolan embedded: [youtube]YIiM91tc1fk[/youtube] Does this guy Dolan ever get anything right? If he wants to rock and roll, he's gonna have to get more bulge in his crotch and less in his belly.

Frayed Knot Jun 08 2011 02:30 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Since we're talking hoops: I don't get to see the weekday playoff games because I'm working. But I sometimes listen driving home. And if nobody has said it before, Dr. Jack Ramsey is, IMO, the best analyst in the history of radio - for any sport. He doesn't re-hash what just happened, or go "ooh and aah" like most of them do. He tells you why or how something happened within the context of the flow of the game. He sees things that even slo-mo couldn't pick up. An example: the other night, he was talking about how Chris Bosch only drives the middle from the left of the basket. He then said that when he gets the ball on the right side of the key he only shoots turn-around jumpers. Sure enough, next posession, Bosch gets the ball on the right side of the key and immediately put up a jumper. I now return this thread to the discussion of Knick suckitude. Later Speaking of the finals, I did catch the final three minutes or so of last night's game after the Mets were over - and it was an exciting finish, at least exciting in that the score was close making the game hang in the balance for every possession. But, GEEZ, is it remotely possible that the end of these games could actually contain more than 7 seconds of un-interrupted basketball?!? The game has evolved (or maybe it was always this way) where EVERY play seems to need to be drawn out for the players by the coach during a two-minute long chalkboard discussion and that each team must have like 9 timeouts per quarter or something (not counting the TV timeouts). I understand the need for strategy towards the end of the game but if you gave these teams about half as many time-outs as they currently get it would be a much more enjoyable end-game. I realize this means the players would be forced to rely on just their talents and the coaching that went on before the game but that seems like a good thing to me.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 09 2011 09:36 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

A little less stop-and-start tonight so far. Two point game, two minutes to go.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 09 2011 09:44 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

Great, how'd-he-do-that shots and blocks on both sides, back-and-forth runs. If you're not watching the NBA Finals, you're missing one hell of a thrill ride (and one hell of an entertaining game tonight).

The Second Spitter Jun 09 2011 11:39 PM Re: The Knicks suck 2010-2011

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: If you're not watching the NBA Finals, you're missing one hell of a thrill ride (and one hell of an entertaining game tonight). Word. And can I add, watching in 3D is sensational. It's like watching from court-side seats. I don't own a 3dtv, but i bought one for my mom earlier in the year, and I've been making excuses to pop 'round every second day. I can't wait until MLB starts screening games regularly in 3D.