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Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

TransMonk Jul 13 2010 07:33 AM

Breaking News: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=7551966 I'm sure more to come.

Ashie62 Jul 13 2010 07:34 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Not good.

MFS62 Jul 13 2010 07:47 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Update: TV reports are that he has passed away. Later

Edgy DC Jul 13 2010 07:48 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Wow. A pulse runs through everything, but we hardly ever know.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 13 2010 07:51 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

AP reporting that he's died.

Ceetar Jul 13 2010 07:52 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Not really a surprise, as he's been slipping for years, but he was certainly an entertaining character. the whole "in threes" thing has you wondering though.

Centerfield Jul 13 2010 07:55 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Rumors are his last words were "At least Bob Sheppard still lives..."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 13 2010 07:56 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Be careful out there, Yogi. Geez.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 13 2010 07:58 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Bad week to be an MFY legend. Luckily Yogi has an aura of Met-ness to protect him.

Ceetar Jul 13 2010 08:05 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Be careful out there, Yogi. Geez. Hmm, as Yogi would say regarding heaven/afterlife/etc "No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded"

Edgy DC Jul 13 2010 08:06 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Hey, it ain't over, so it ain't over.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2010 08:09 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Centerfield wrote: Rumors are his last words were "At least Bob Sheppard still lives..." I know it's passe, but I'm bullet-of-cooling this.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 13 2010 08:11 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Ceetar wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Be careful out there, Yogi. Geez. Hmm, as Yogi would say regarding heaven/afterlife/etc "No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded" Is that where George is headed, now?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2010 08:13 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Steinbrenner dies from heart attack MLB.com 07/13/10 9:50 AM ET Yankees principal owner and chairperson George Steinbrenner died Tuesday morning, reportedly after suffering a massive heart attack. The Yankees confirmed Steinbrenner's death in a release issued Tuesday. Steinbrenner was rushed to St. Joseph's hospital in Tampa, Fla., on Monday night, according to reports in New York and Tampa. Steinbrenner turned 80 on July 4.

Ceetar Jul 13 2010 08:16 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ceetar wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Be careful out there, Yogi. Geez. Hmm, as Yogi would say regarding heaven/afterlife/etc "No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded" Is that where George is headed, now? Maybe He's going somewhere to relive the 1990 Yankees season over and over again.

TheOldMole Jul 13 2010 08:45 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Here's a story from a friend. I have to remember something he did for my son's Little League team--one of the team was diagnosed with Ewing's Sarcoma and had had his leg amputated the knee ending his career in baseball. When Steinbrenner heard about this he invited the entire team to Yankee Stadium, gave them seats above the dug out, took them into a private club area and had them meet the team.

MFS62 Jul 13 2010 08:52 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

In honor of his passing, at the All Star Game tonight, they're going to fire somebody. Later

Willets Point Jul 13 2010 08:58 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

I don't have many charitable things to say about Steinbrenner's life, may he rest in peace. I expect the ASG will be a glurgefest and the Yankees will be expected to win a World Series "for the Boss" now.

smg58 Jul 13 2010 09:07 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

From my perspective, he was sort of like Darth Vader or The Joker. Of course you hate him because he's the villain, but things are more entertaining when he's gets camera time. Love him or hate him though, every baseball owner should care as much about winning as Steinbrenner did.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 13 2010 09:11 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Steinbrenner wasn't about winning as much as he was about the death of competition. He was a bully and a cheater his whole life.

Ashie62 Jul 13 2010 09:20 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

This passing will make the MFY's all the more unbearable.

Edgy DC Jul 13 2010 09:22 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Yeah, i can think of a dozen ways to praise him (a half dozen, anyhow), alive or dead, and it's good and human to refelct on those in the wake of his passing, but "wants to win" was always a non-starter with me --- as if that's necessarily a virtue or a trait as particular to him as his defenders claim.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 13 2010 09:23 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Steinbrenner wasn't about winning as much as he was about the death of competition. But that's winning, isn't it? John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: He was a bully and a cheater his whole life. Perhaps, but how else does one amass the wealth and power that Steinbrenner enjoyed?

soupcan Jul 13 2010 09:37 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Cue the Bill Gallo cartoon with General Von Steingrabber and Sheppard sitting in clouds looking down upon the Yankees/Yankee Stadium and saying something along the lines of 'We left them in good shape...' Gag me. Ding Dong the witch is dead.

metirish Jul 13 2010 09:39 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Guess I won't be watching the ASG tonight , I wish I had something good to say but I don't. ESPN has turned over it's entire programming to him, hey LeBron , be glad your decision wasn't tonight. RIP

soupcan Jul 13 2010 09:43 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Convicted felon whose team's success was built largely on the fact that he was suspended from baseball and had nothing to do with them at the time they became successful. Put that on his tombstone.

Ceetar Jul 13 2010 09:46 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Edgy DC wrote: Yeah, i can think of a dozen ways to praise him (a half dozen, anyhow), alive or dead, and it's good and human to refelct on those in the wake of his passing, but "wants to win" was always a non-starter with me --- as if that's necessarily a virtue or a trait as particular to him as his defenders claim. I'm still waiting for that owner to come out and say "I want to lose. Truly. I decided to invest my money in a sports team because I lost a bet. I wouldn't know how to get from first base to the pitchers mound."

seawolf17 Jul 13 2010 09:50 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

I would love to add something witty, but I have little regard for Steinbrenner. From what I've read, he was a jerk who was completely undeserving of all the love he's going to get over the next couple of days.

MFS62 Jul 13 2010 09:59 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Personal memory: I was in Tampa (George's "headquarters" then) on business. There were headlines (not just back page) in the local papers about how George was being investigated in a shady real estate deal involving payoffs to politicians. I wondered how the NY papers would treat the story. I returned to New York the next day, and the back pages were all about how George verbally blasted Dave Winfield. Not one mention of the scandal in Tampa. His PR department earned their salaries with that one. Later

metirish Jul 13 2010 09:59 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Ha ha ha.....some CNBC jerk is on espn talking about how Steinbrenner turned it all around in NY....the early 90's are glossed over......it was him that did it and " if you go back a few years before they won all those championships you look around NY and it was probably 50/50 Mets/ yankees....now it's probably 80/20"......asshole

soupcan Jul 13 2010 10:05 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Am I jealous of the Yankees success? Sure, who wouldn't be? But this revisionist history of 'The Boss' being the architect of the Jeter-Mariano-Pettite-Posada dynasty just is not true. If he weren't suspended at the time those guys came up his track record prior to that shows that in all likelihood, each one of them would have been traded. Yankee fans should be kissing the feet of Gene Michael and Bob Watson for allowing those players to mature and become the players they became as Yankees and not Mariners or Braves. Once Steinbrenner was allowed to come back, those players were already entrenched as key contributors. It was a no-brainer to keep them. I wonder what Dave Winfield has to say about Herr Steinbrenner? I don't think you can blame a lot of these Yankee fans for having no clue though, most of them only became self-aware circa 1994. The only good thing I can say about Steinbrenner is that he wasn't cheap when it came to paying for free agents and I'm not entirely sure that's a good thing.

Ceetar Jul 13 2010 10:15 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

soupcan wrote: Am I jealous of the Yankees success? Sure, who wouldn't be? But this revisionist history of 'The Boss' being the architect of the Jeter-Mariano-Pettite-Posada dynasty just is not true. If he weren't suspended at the time those guys came up his track record prior to that shows that in all likelihood, each one of them would have been traded. Yankee fans should be kissing the feet of Gene Michael and Bob Watson for allowing those players to mature and become the players they became as Yankees and not Mariners or Braves. Once Steinbrenner was allowed to come back, those players were already entrenched as key contributors. It was a no-brainer to keep them. I wonder what Dave Winfield has to say about Herr Steinbrenner? I don't think you can blame a lot of these Yankee fans for having no clue though, most of them only became self-aware circa 1994. The only good thing I can say about Steinbrenner is that he wasn't cheap when it came to paying for free agents and I'm not entirely sure that's a good thing. I think it could be argued that Steinbrenner's overpaying for free agents helped pave the way so that guys like C.C. and AJ were valued at levels that few but the Yankees could afford.

Edgy DC Jul 13 2010 10:43 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

CNN wrote: 'The Boss' of baseball, George Steinbrenner, dies Yankees owner George Steinbrenner died today of a heart attack. He was a pop culture icon, appearing on "Seinfeld" and lampooning himself in ads. He wasn't the "Boss" of baseball, but the Yankees, and he didn't "appear" on Seinfeld.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 13 2010 10:43 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Ceetar wrote: soupcan wrote: Am I jealous of the Yankees success? Sure, who wouldn't be? But this revisionist history of 'The Boss' being the architect of the Jeter-Mariano-Pettite-Posada dynasty just is not true. If he weren't suspended at the time those guys came up his track record prior to that shows that in all likelihood, each one of them would have been traded. Yankee fans should be kissing the feet of Gene Michael and Bob Watson for allowing those players to mature and become the players they became as Yankees and not Mariners or Braves. Once Steinbrenner was allowed to come back, those players were already entrenched as key contributors. It was a no-brainer to keep them. I wonder what Dave Winfield has to say about Herr Steinbrenner? I don't think you can blame a lot of these Yankee fans for having no clue though, most of them only became self-aware circa 1994. The only good thing I can say about Steinbrenner is that he wasn't cheap when it came to paying for free agents and I'm not entirely sure that's a good thing. I think it could be argued that Steinbrenner's overpaying for free agents helped pave the way so that guys like C.C. and AJ were valued at levels that few but the Yankees could afford. By design or no, this... is a significant understatement. The Yankees practically invented the massive FA overpayment.

Edgy DC Jul 13 2010 10:48 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

batmagadanleadoff wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: He was a bully and a cheater his whole life. Perhaps, but how else does one amass the wealth and power that Steinbrenner enjoyed? Well, inheriting a burgeoning empire from your father helps. Also, astutely backing megasuccesses like Legs Diamond is a good trick.

metirish Jul 13 2010 11:23 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

The coverage is getting close to Diana nauseating.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 13 2010 11:29 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Six honorary Schaefer points to whoever comes up with the best George-Steinbrenner-themed "Candle in the Wind" parody!

metirish Jul 13 2010 11:42 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Six honorary Schaefer points to whoever comes up with the best George-Steinbrenner-themed "Candle in the Wind" parody! Great idea, looking forward to some brilliant entries. "It's fitting that he died on this day".......really ? I've heard this a few times today on various news casts. Steinbrenner never struck me as a big ASG fan unless it was at MFYII

HahnSolo Jul 13 2010 11:43 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Edgy DC wrote: He wasn't the "Boss" of baseball, but the Yankees, and he didn't "appear" on Seinfeld. Actually, he did appear as himself on one episode.

Edgy DC Jul 13 2010 11:48 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Surprise to me. I checked IMDB, and it says "Scenes Deleted." http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0825859/ That was def the shark-jumping episode for me.

Edgy DC Jul 13 2010 12:59 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Uni-Watch on double Uni-Tributes: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... _memorials

Frayed Knot Jul 13 2010 01:02 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

I've always despised the "he wanted to win more" line too - even as that one is going to be the mantra from most Yanqui fans, from much of the cliche-driven mediots, and even (or maybe especially) from self-loathing Met fans like Joe Badabingo (he's probably doing so right now which is why I'm not listening). Lauding George for 'choosing to spend more' is like saying Bill Gates is choosing to live in a bigger house than me. George's Yanx have essentially had two waves of success during his tenure: one right after his purchase and the other right after his suspension. Both have come about due to a mixture of good timing, good luck, and some good business decisions. - He started by trying to buy into his hometown Cleveland Indians but, when that fell through, the Yanx were a second option and by buying into baseball in the early '70s and the Yanx in particular he hit on a true 'buy low' moment. Baseball was down in the early '70s and the AL in particular. CBS had owned the Yanx for more than a decade and had lost a bundle. But since that was only a small portion of their operation it was easy for them to swallow their buy-high/sell-low mistake. George headed a group which bought them for $10 million and his initial put-up cash was something like 100K. - By getting in just as the FA era was about to begin, Steinbrenner had the dual advantage of not being burdened by the mind-set that players weren't supposed to be able to earn free-market wages and that much of his competition still was (see: Grant, M. Donald). The Yanqui "over-spending" then wasn't really over-spending at all (at least not automatically) but rather just seemed high as compared to the artificially low wages from before. The phrase 'gotta spend it to earn it' definitely applied there and George was one of the first to realize it in a business where the others were used to having things their own way. Good job by him. After a few years, though, new owners and new thinking caught up to him at which point he was forced into actual over-spending mainly because he lacked the smarts and judgement to do anything else, a period which led to the longest NYY-less playoff stint since the pre-Ruth era. Without an advantage, his brief window of glory closed fast. - The second wave of Steinbrenner-led success came after their landmark TV deal with MSG network, one which gave the Yanx some $50mil/year in local TV money at a time when many teams were earning less than $5mil. Small differences in TV revenues were one thing in a sport where teams traditionally relied on gate receipts as their biggest source but - even though MLB does share all their national money (despite what you'll hear from many commentators on this subject in the next few days) - they never saw this coming and trying to put in a plan to more evenly split local money after the fact was viewed more akin to simply taking from one team to give to another. As a result, no plan was there to deal with it and so the Yanx were free to exploit the advantage. Again, great business decision* but that's a big step away from the cliche about him simply "wanting it" more or about how other owners with similar personal wealth are cruelly opting to pocket money while George 'puts his back into the team'. This new financial edge, coinciding with a series of good picks, good signings, and good trades (many of which - as has been pointed out - may not have been made or would have been reversed had GMSIII not been barred from running his own team at the time) put into motion the late-'90s dynasty. That, of course, further widened the financial gap, something MLB only recently started to address in its last few CBAs even as the Yanx fought it at every stage. * Doubleday, meanwhile, had himself a pretty good cable deal signed in the early '80s but, unlike Steinbrenner, opted to sign a long-term deal and was therefore locked into one with some 15 years to go on it when the NYY one came up for re-negotiation at the much higher rate. The book 'Lords of the Realm' has someone at MLB offices trying to talk Nelson out of confining himself to such as long-term contract. Doubleday, not wanting to be told how to run his business, is quoted as replying; "Go fuck yourself"

Fman99 Jul 13 2010 01:10 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Bye, George.

Zvon Jul 13 2010 01:28 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

That's a great post FK, ty for taking the time to share your knowledge . I do wanna make a joke here but first I will respect the man and salute him.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 13 2010 01:47 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Frayed Knot wrote: * Doubleday, meanwhile, had himself a pretty good cable deal signed in the early '80s but, unlike Steinbrenner, opted to sign a long-term deal and was therefore locked into one with some 15 years to go on it when the NYY one came up for re-negotiation at the much higher rate. The book 'Lords of the Realm' has someone at MLB offices trying to talk Nelson out of confining himself to such as long-term contract. Doubleday, not wanting to be told how to run his business, is quoted as replying; "Go fuck yourself" That's the deal the Mets coughed up $30 mills to get out of in '04 (and probably, cost us Vlad Guererro). I think by then it wasn't Steiny but Goldman Sachs who was pulling the financial strings. I kind of see the MFYs as the sports version of the new superpremium level of shit created in the pre-recession days.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 13 2010 01:48 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

My friend, the baseball researcher, once pointed out that Steinbrenner was rarely the one to break barriers and set the highest salaries. It was usually people like Hicks and the ARod deal, smaller market teams that would bust their banks to add one player, but not be able to have enough left to build a team around. Steinbrenner, on the other hand, could afford a mega-star player's contract -- and five more just below that level. When he was overpaying, it wasn't for the guys at the very top, but for the guys in the middle to lower top, which is what made it so tough for the other teams.

Edgy DC Jul 13 2010 01:53 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Now I want to see one of you Photoshoppers change the façade on an image of YSIII to read Superpremium Level of Shit Stadium.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 13 2010 02:03 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

It's not "Candle," and it's a little splintered (a la the song) but... When I saw those Major Deegan lights On summer nights, TV tuned to Rizzuto and Bill White. Bobby Bonds, lord you really should have been there, Sparklin' like Legs Diamond parked in a padded leather chair. One five-dollar beer, Your plaid wouldn't bug me anymore. We've been plateauing lately, Bill Virdon's nice, But does Billy Martin suit us more? But someone banned your ass from here, Georgie boy You almost met your Watergate CREEPy boy You really larded on those lies Conviction bound, felony-ized Sweet B. Kuhn handed down two years But you're a donor, guy, And donors, guy, are free to fly, Pardon-ay, pardon-ez, a toi. I never forgot the Azocars Nokes and Blowers, The Andy Hawkinses walking whole teams. At Columbus there may be a bubbling scene Developing slow, free from domineering mien But right now, the Bronx is mourning! Damn it! This team, it is no good! I'm hip-deep in Scott Sandersons! No Maas Tarta-bull! At least Bob Sheppard's still alive... 'Cause someone banned your ass from here, Georgie boy You almost had some dirt on Dave Don't be coy You tied his charity up tight, But Howard Spira testified, Fay Vincent whispered in your ear "You're a goner, guy... And, by the way, you're gone for life. Go away, O-Hi-away bye bye." And you could have gone right on Moved the team 'cross the Hudson River, Forever perched on third Thinking you'd tripled yourself there, 'Brenner. But they did you a backhand favor When they went and sent you home Someone banned your ass that's right Michaels saved your ass that's right Someone banned your ass that's right Michaels saved your ass that's right Someone saved your rep that night So save your breath To thank the Fay-tes that sent you home Someone saved your rep right there, meshuggah boy Almost cut off your own shmuck You tubby goy But now your team has five more flags And Bronxite goons and Jersey loons -- Sweet jesus-- spitting in my ear "He's a winner! Ay!" And tabloid hacks are prone to lie Lie away, write away, lie lie

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 13 2010 02:25 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Bravo

Willets Point Jul 13 2010 02:54 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

soupcan wrote: Cue the Bill Gallo cartoon with General Von Steingrabber and Sheppard sitting in clouds looking down upon the Yankees/Yankee Stadium and saying something along the lines of 'We left them in good shape...' How 'bout this one?

G-Fafif Jul 13 2010 02:55 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

I understand the Captain has an arrangement in which all of his enormously bloated paychecks will be signed by Mr. Steinbrenner for the rest of his career.

Frayed Knot Jul 13 2010 03:07 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

metsguyinmichigan wrote: My friend, the baseball researcher, once pointed out that Steinbrenner was rarely the one to break barriers and set the highest salaries. It was usually people like Hicks and the ARod deal, smaller market teams that would bust their banks to add one player, but not be able to have enough left to build a team around. In fact, George at one point had a standing rule that he didn't care where the payroll was as long as it wasn't the top. Of course he would routinely break his own rule by adding players (often over the heads of his own "baseball people") as the year went on but the MFY payroll was rarely #1 overall as the season started. His pride actually used to screw himself into bad deals. By not signing Jeter early, for instance, he wound up paying him much more than he would have just for the "honor" of saying that he didn't set the price for SSs because ARod's deal was bigger. The Yanx & Jeter had some $118mil deal on the table but by the time they finished stalling it was up to $180, but hey, it was less than $252! Steinbrenner, on the other hand, could afford a mega-star player's contract -- and five more just below that level. When he was overpaying, it wasn't for the guys at the very top, but for the guys in the middle to lower top, which is what made it so tough for the other teams. The reason for that is that the whole Jeter/Posada/Rivera/Pettitte/Bernie group was so good so quickly that they were, in effect, being under-paid for so long because of the way service time works in baseball deals that he could go over-board with deals for middling players and still keep the payroll within shouting distance of other teams -- Remember a bench consisting of Strawberry, Fielder, Raines, Girardi, Chili Davis, and Rueben Sierra? Years later, as those cheap players reached their arb/FA years and were no longer so cheap, the payroll (both in number and relatively) became so much higher even as the bench and pen got a lot worse. In 2008 - as the Yanx were going down and missing the playoffs - it became popular for YLDBs to call for the team to stop signing FAs and return to those days of only somewhat high payrolls in the mid-90s as a way to get back to those glory days - not realizing that the odds of tearing it all down and starting again depends on the remote possibility of them finding the next crop of guys who are going to go from the minors to the top of their position in a short time and all at the same time. Blinded by the success of that group, they think repeating it is simply a matter of deciding to do so.

Zvon Jul 13 2010 03:12 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Bravo To LWFS, what he said^ And wow, that actual song brings back so many memories. Slices of life, man. Slices of life.

Zvon Jul 13 2010 03:16 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

If I ever had a brew with you, FK, I think I'd wanna just sit there and listen. And eat pretzels.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 13 2010 03:55 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: It's not "Candle," and it's a little splintered (a la the song) but... I never forgot the Azocars Nokes and Blowers, The Andy Hawkinses walking whole teams. At Columbus there may be a bubbling scene Developing slow, free from domineering mien But right now, the Bronx is mourning! Damn it! This team, it is no good! I'm hip-deep in Scott Sandersons! No Maas Tarta-bull! At least Bob Sheppard's still alive... 'Cause someone banned your ass from here, Georgie boy You almost had some dirt on Dave Don't be coy You tied his charity up tight, But Howard Spira testified, Fay Vincent whispered in your ear "You're a goner, guy... And, by the way, you're gone for life. Go away, O-Hi-away bye bye." /i] WOW!!!!! Amazingly good! (And "Someone saved...." was one of the first 45s I ever bought, got it right there are the Sam Goody in the Sunrise Mall. That store seemed massive at the time.)

G-Fafif Jul 13 2010 04:04 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Tearless remembrance from Dave Anderson in the Times, telling it like it was. [I]f you worked for Steinbrenner, who died Tuesday at age 80, in the three decades before his health deteriorated several years ago, as any Yankees employee of that era would confirm, you were an almost daily victim of his impatient bluster and bombast. He fired managers and public-relations directors and anybody who didn’t get his lunch order correct.

Frayed Knot Jul 13 2010 04:58 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jul 13 2010 05:23 PM

The biggest sign of a bully - as JCL called him earlier - is that the lower down on the totem pole you were in the Yanx org the worse you were treated. It's going to be easy, particularly w/the ASG going on, to get quotes about what a 'tough but fair' guy he was from the group he gave multi-million dollar contracts to and whom he needed more than they needed him. Besides, they all still have to deal with his kids. And, yes, there are numerous Steiny stories - like Mole's - of spontaneous acts of charity. But the good journos* are going to be the ones who'll also track down those of the clubhouse boys he mercilessly mistreated simply because he could and because he had a childish temper which caused him to blame others for his failings, or for losses which were no one fault save for the fact that the other team was trying too, or for just plain bad luck. There's the one story which George told on himself frequently about how he has/had a secretary who he fired a dozen (or was it dozen[u:ym3duz1m]s[/u:ym3duz1m]?) times. The reason he was the one to relate the story is that he thinks the fact that he always re-hired her back makes him the good guy in the tale. No it doesn't George. * I could see Newsday dragging Steve Jacobson out of retirement for a guest column this week. He was the Yanqui beat guy back in the early Stein-years. After a while he realized that what George wanted most was his name in the paper and so Jacobson, when he became a columnist, simply refused to mention him by name, mostly calling him 'That man'.

metirish Jul 13 2010 05:03 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Just finished watching CBS New with Katie Couric then the local CBS channel here in NY goes to a CBS Special " Remembering the Boss".....are you fucking kidding me.....

Kong76 Jul 13 2010 05:05 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

I'm amazed how many blurbs and blogs there are saying if he owned the Mets how much better things would have been. The wound lickers are out in force today with the Vlads, Rods, 'n the like. Ya know, ya don't HAVE to be a Mets fan if it's that painful for yas ...

Zvon Jul 13 2010 05:29 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

metirish wrote: Just finished watching CBS New with Katie Couric then the local CBS channel here in NY goes to a CBS Special " Remembering the Boss".....are you fucking kidding me..... I haven't even turned on the TV cause I don't wanna be over saturated. It'll be enough that tonight's game will be a tribute to him and his name will be mentioned around 714 times. I think he died last week, but had the time to tell one of his lieutenant's to sit on him til the All Star break. Sheppard discovered what was goin on and was gonna reveal it, so he had to be knocked off. That's my story and I'm stickin to it.

Kong76 Jul 13 2010 06:03 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Zvon wrote: I think he died last week, but had the time to tell one of his lieutenant's to sit on him til the All Star break. That is really really funny.

Zvon Jul 13 2010 06:06 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Kong76 wrote: Zvon wrote: I think he died last week, but had the time to tell one of his lieutenant's to sit on him til the All Star break. That is really really funny. well, ya throw enough darts sooner or later one hits the board.

Ashie62 Jul 13 2010 06:07 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Kong76 wrote: Zvon wrote: I think he died last week, but had the time to tell one of his lieutenant's to sit on him til the All Star break. That is really really funny. Superior

SteveJRogers Jul 13 2010 06:35 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Frayed Knot wrote: The biggest sign of a bully - as JCL called him earlier - is that the lower down on the totem pole you were in the Yanx org the worse you were treated. It's going to be easy, particularly w/the ASG going on, to get quotes about what a 'tough but fair' guy he was from the group he gave multi-million dollar contracts to and whom he needed more than they needed him. Besides, they all still have to deal with his kids. And, yes, there are numerous Steiny stories - like Mole's - of spontaneous acts of charity. But the good journos* are going to be the ones who'll also track down those of the clubhouse boys he mercilessly mistreated simply because he could and because he had a childish temper which caused him to blame others for his failings, or for losses which were no one fault save for the fact that the other team was trying too, or for just plain bad luck. There's the one story which George told on himself frequently about how he has/had a secretary who he fired a dozen (or was it dozens?) times. The reason he was the one to relate the story is that he thinks the fact that he always re-hired her back makes him the good guy in the tale. No it doesn't George. Quick hijack of this thread to further illustrate the point. Listening to Spencer Ross on WFAN one day refute a caller going off on Billy Martin (I forget why Martin was brought up, this was during WFAN's anniversary special day programming a couple of years ago) by telling a story about how Martin was nice to his kid or some shit. Well, I was thinking the same thing FK said here. Being occasionally nice to someone doesn't negate all the crap that you do in your life.

Edgy DC Jul 13 2010 06:52 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Kong76 wrote: Ya know, ya don't HAVE to be a Mets fan if it's that painful for yas ... Sing it, brother Kong. I stopped by to pick up a pizza tonight and some jarhead on TV was interviewing Jimmy Breslin by phone. Firstly, I would have laid down some decent money on Breslin being dead himself. Secondly --- and I'm going by the closed caption transcript so maybe I was missing a jocular tone --- Breslin didn't seem to be to with it, himself. Maybe he was kidding, but he was picking a fight with the interviewer and insisting that there was nothing wrong with the NYC enconomy in the seventies. He took the reporters to task for trying to make a saint out of George, but really couldn't say more himself than "Great guy... great guy." Interview transcript can often make reasonably smart guys sound incoherent, but he really seemed to be smoking something.

Frayed Knot Jul 13 2010 07:31 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

That interview w/Breslin was one of the few things I've actually heard today via mass media (it was ESPN). Breslin sounded even more out of it than the transcript probably made him sound, but the thing that took the interviewer back was that Breslin was likely the only guy interviewed today to go 'off script', telling the questioner to "STOP DEIFYIN' THE GUY! ... he was a good guy but he never hit a home-run, never caught a fly ball", etc. And, yeah, he sounded more than a bit goofy claiming that NYC was NOT down in the early '70s - "Stop spreading that fiction!" - but that was Breslin's prime and a gritty, run-down city was right up his alley.

DocTee Jul 13 2010 07:37 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Somewhere , Bobby Meachem is smiling.

PiggiesTomatoes Jul 13 2010 08:17 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

It's pretty clear that in his heyday, he was a jerk-off as a boss but having lived in Tampa for nearly six year now, it's amazing the impact he's had on this community. He made tremendous charitable contributions; to schools, hospitals, the public and public servants. I'll never have a kind word for him as an owner but as a citizen (yeah, I'm aware of the Nixon thing), he was a good man.

Frayed Knot Jul 13 2010 08:40 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Zvon wrote: If I ever had a brew with you, FK, I think I'd wanna just sit there and listen. And eat pretzels. You're telling me I talk too much, right?

Gwreck Jul 13 2010 08:42 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

metirish wrote: Just finished watching CBS New with Katie Couric then the local CBS channel here in NY goes to a CBS Special " Remembering the Boss".....are you fucking kidding me..... Shit like that scares me and makes me think Bruce has died. Attention George: he had the nickname first.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 13 2010 10:25 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

It continues on the late news. The local news reporters are taping in front of various locales-- MFY Stadium, Murray Hill bars, Midtown sidewalks. Why aren't they in front of his home in New York, I wonder?

Zvon Jul 13 2010 10:35 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Frayed Knot wrote: Zvon wrote: If I ever had a brew with you, FK, I think I'd wanna just sit there and listen. And eat pretzels. You're telling me I talk too much, right? Not at all. I'm sayin that's its rare when I will sit there and listen. Or read, I should say. (I'm actually a very good listener.) Esp when I see a post that size. (main reason isn't my ADDs, its I hate PC screens. They bug my eyes out) But I read all of that and did not regret it. It was a fascinating read.

G-Fafif Jul 13 2010 11:25 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

metirish wrote: Just finished watching CBS New with Katie Couric then the local CBS channel here in NY goes to a CBS Special " Remembering the Boss".....are you fucking kidding me..... This is shocking -- somebody still watches the network news?

metirish Jul 14 2010 04:27 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: It continues on the late news. The local news reporters are taping in front of various locales-- MFY Stadium, Murray Hill bars, Midtown sidewalks. Why aren't they in front of his home in New York, I wonder? LOLL......heard some tool on espn yesterday(Olney) talk about how George was a real New yorker even though he was from Ohio and lived in Tampa....

Benjamin Grimm Jul 14 2010 07:00 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

I got through the Daily News sports section in record time this morning. I flipped through the pages as if it was a December morning with no baseball news. It was wall-to-wall George and I had no interest in reliving his highs and lows.

Edgy DC Jul 14 2010 07:05 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Frayed Knot wrote: And, yeah, he sounded more than a bit goofy claiming that NYC was NOT down in the early '70s - "Stop spreading that fiction!" - but that was Breslin's prime and a gritty, run-down city was right up his alley. This is amazing. He was serious? Yes, New York has always been a wonderland with Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelly dancing in Columbus Circle, where even our mobsters were lovable shnooks in big-shouldered dapper suits eating cheesecake at Mindy's.

metirish Jul 14 2010 07:07 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I got through the Daily News sports section in record time this morning. I flipped through the pages as if it was a December morning with no baseball news. It was wall-to-wall George and I had no interest in reliving his highs and lows. Didn't even buy mate......

metirish Jul 14 2010 07:08 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

G-Fafif wrote: metirish wrote: Just finished watching CBS New with Katie Couric then the local CBS channel here in NY goes to a CBS Special " Remembering the Boss".....are you fucking kidding me..... This is shocking -- somebody still watches the network news? Katie has grown on me, she's remade the Evening News for me, lately she has been taking questions for her on the spot reporters via twitter. One can imagine Dan Rather being asked to do that, or Brokaw.

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2010 07:30 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Edgy DC wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: And, yeah, he sounded more than a bit goofy claiming that NYC was NOT down in the early '70s - "Stop spreading that fiction!" - but that was Breslin's prime and a gritty, run-down city was right up his alley. This is amazing. He was serious? VERY serious. It's like he was playing the local telling the clueless out-of-towner that the stories he's heard are nothing but tall tales that have mistakenly become accepted facts over time. Yes, New York has always been a wonderland with Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelly dancing in Columbus Circle, where even our mobsters were lovable shnooks in big-shouldered dapper suits eating cheesecake at Mindy's. I always thought Breslin was a bit of a phony. He could write, but writing about the gritty, crime-ridden parts of the city as long as you've got enough money and connections to hang in the high-living parts of it is a great way to claim 'aw it's not that bad' ... or, They can't say that about our city, only WE can say that about our city. NYC in the '70s was both broken & broke, not to mention filthy and averaging six murders a day. But, hey, Son-of-Sam was good for HIS career.

soupcan Jul 14 2010 07:33 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Zvon wrote: I think he died last week, but had the time to tell one of his lieutenant's to sit on him til the All Star break. You know what's interesting about this? I do a lot of work with trusts and estates attornies. We provide a service for Guardianships and Administrations, Executors, etc. About 3 months ago I got a call from an attorney I deal with on a semi-regular basis. A big guy in those circles, he has lots of wealthy clients. He was talking about a client of his - in Florida - who had slipped into a coma. Again, this was maybe late April, early May. He didn't give us a name but told us that his client was 'extremely well-known' and a had a 'very substantial estate'. Sometimes we get calls like that and we play a little game around the office trying to figure out who the incapacitated person might be. In this case, the best guess we came up with was Steinbrenner. Knowing he was not in good health, was in Tampa, had a large estate and would have an attorney like this guy handling his affairs. So over the past few months I've been paying attention to any public appearences by George. I don't believe there have been any. Perhaps this attorney was/is representing the Steinbrenner family. I'm thinking Big George had been in a coma for a few months and finally succumbed. Or perhaps the family figured that this would be a good time to pull the plug. Who knows? And interesting footnote here is that by expiring this calendar year, the family gets to take advantage of a loophole in the estate tax law and pay a significantly reduced amount of taxes.

Edgy DC Jul 14 2010 07:53 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Frayed Knot wrote: I always thought Breslin was a bit of a phony. I always thought he was a lot of a phony but denying the existence urban environment that you made your name chronicling seems simply surreal. It's like Dickens saying there were no orphans in London or Clemens saying there were never steamboats on the Mississippi. Except, of course, moreso. "Next on ESPN is Jacob Riis to tell us about immigrant slums in the late 1800s." "Slums! Those weren't slums! Those people had it made!"

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2010 07:55 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Heard on ESPN this morning Buster Olney (then NYY beat writer for the NYTimes) and Keith Law (then a front office asst w/Toronto) talking about the events which led to Steinbrenner trading for Raul Mondesi. Yanx were short of OFers for some reasons (injuries maybe) and were playing backup IF Enrique Wilson out in RF. He muffed several plays that day causing Tim McCarver to suggest up in the booth that the Yanx needed a guy like former RoY Raul Mondesi out there. George immediately got it into his head that Mondesi was the guy and had his people call Toronto where Mondesi was a shell of his former self but still earning some $7mil/yr for the next two seasons. Cashman wanted nothing to do with it and was cut out of the loop with George taking charge of an "owner to owner" deal. Of course the Jays owner was consulting with his GM JP Riccardi all along and Law was saying they would have sent Mondesi via Fed Ex just to get him off their hands (and off their payroll) but had to keep up the facade that this was a real trade. Eventually they settled on some low-level prospect in return. I remember that situation because it was during a Met-Yanx game where Wilson was screwing up, but I didn't know that it all came about due to a McCarver comment in the booth.

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2010 08:00 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Edgy DC wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I always thought Breslin was a bit of a phony. I always thought he was a lot of a phony but denying the existence urban environment that you made your name chronicling seems simply surreal. It's like Dickens saying there were no orphans in London or Clemens saying there were never steamboats on the Mississippi. Except, of course, moreso. "Next on ESPN, is Jacob Riis to tell us about immigrant slums in the late 1800s." "Slums! Those weren't slums! Those people had it made!" Then there was that incident a few years later where, after spending years decrying racism in the power structure of NYC, Breslin was caught disparaging a female Chinese-American reporter at the NYDN as "a yellow cur". Way to stay classy Jimmy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2010 08:01 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

I probably have it all bassackwards, but Wilson bungled Roger Cedeno's fly ball into a triple and Cedeno then stole home off Pettitte.

Edgy DC Jul 14 2010 08:07 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Frayed Knot wrote: Then there was that incident a few years later where, after spending years decrying racism in the power structure of NYC, Breslin was caught disparaging a female Chinese-American reporter at the NYDN as "a yellow cur". Way to stay classy Jimmy. Oh, that was the part that made the paper. The parts of the tirade that came out later included "slant-eyed cunt" and "the fucking bitch doesn't know her place." My brother gets points for this. At soon as the story broke, he said, "'Cur?' What the hell is 'cur'? I'll bet ten dollars that was a more polite version of the real word he used."

metirish Jul 14 2010 09:00 AM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

"all over the world people are feeling this loss , the champion of the little people is gone but his legacy lives"

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2010 03:12 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

The Breslin interview on Sportscenter.

G-Fafif Jul 14 2010 04:15 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

More idiocy, this time from the not usually idiotic Rob Parker. We would never have been able to see Cone, Strawberry and Gooden finish their careers in New York and in style, had it not been for Steinbrenner. Cone finished his career in New York...as a Met.

Edgy DC Jul 14 2010 04:24 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

We would never have been able to see Ojeda, Swoboda, and Fernandez finish their careers in New York and in disgrace, had it not been for Steinbrenner.

Edgy DC Jul 14 2010 04:31 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

We would never have been able to see Stengel, Mays, and Hodges finish their careers in New York and in style, had it not been for Payson.

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2010 07:30 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 14 2010 08:41 PM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I probably have it all bassackwards, but Wilson bungled Roger Cedeno's fly ball into a triple and Cedeno then stole home off Pettitte. Looks like it was probably THIS GAME Two triples in that game, both to RF, a Cedeno steal of home, Enrique never plays RF again, and the Yanx trade for Mondesi two days later. But it was all off of future NYM Ted Lilly, not Pettitte.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2010 07:59 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

d'oh. That's the game for sure.

Nymr83 Jul 14 2010 09:09 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

I read that the family might have been forced to sell the team to pay he death tax if The Boss hadn't passed away in the one year where it doesn't exist (45% last year, 55% next year, non-existant this year, awfully unfair to everyone no matter what you think of the tax in general)

MFS62 Jul 14 2010 09:46 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

Picked up the Daily News today. It had over 30 pages devoted to Steinbrenner. Tomorrow I'll pick up a bird and birdcage. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2010 10:06 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

MFS62 wrote: Picked up the Daily News today. It had over 30 pages devoted to Steinbrenner. Tomorrow I'll pick up a bird and birdcage. In the spirit of the day, be sure to overspend. And if it doesn't work out, make sure to go back and give the salesperson an earful.

G-Fafif Jul 14 2010 10:09 PM Re: Massive Heart Attack For Steinbrenner

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: MFS62 wrote: Picked up the Daily News today. It had over 30 pages devoted to Steinbrenner. Tomorrow I'll pick up a bird and birdcage. In the spirit of the day, be sure to overspend. And if it doesn't work out, make sure to go back and give the salesperson an earful. The important thing is YOU WIN. And then a week or a month or a decade later, put the salesperson's kid through college.