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Cora v. Pelfrey

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2010 08:00 AM

For whatever reason, Martino in the Snooze didn't identify the player Cora directed his anger at, though I could imagine Martino was one of the co-laughers. Interesting that always perceptive Gwreck ID'ed Pelfrey goofing off before the game too. The Mets See Their Darkest Hour In the month of July, the month that only has ten days left in it, the Mets are 5-11. On July 1, they were ten games over .500, a game and a half out of first place, and above everyone in the race for the wild card. They are now four games over .500, six and a half games out of first, and three and a half games out of the wild card. The Mets are having a collapse a couple of months early, and, for the first time, the fraying seams are starting to show. The Mets lost a drab 3-2 game to Arizona, their second loss in a row to a last-place team and their ninth loss in their last twelve games. It has gotten bad enough that apparently you are not allowed to express anything other than anguish and pain in the locker room after a loss, or Alex Cora will have your soul for dinner. The veteran utilityman, miffed by the laughter inside the Mets' clubhouse after the loss, fired venom in the direction of Mike Pelfrey and reporters who were joking at the pitcher's locker. Cora spouted an expletive in Spanish and raised his voice in the direction of Pelfrey and reporters as he de parted the clubhouse at Chase Field. "A little respect, please!" Cora snapped. "They stuck it up our [butts]." Alex Cora has long kept a major-league career alive through Locker Room Presence, so if anyone were going to pitch a proverbial fit about the probing tendencies of opponents, it would have to be him. But it seems more that the Mets' aches are self-inflicted — self-inserted, to use Cora's uncomfortable metaphor. The bats have completely vanished on the road trip — Jason Bay is batting .261 and has six homers; four years, $66 million, folks — and it's beginning to look like the Mets are doing Carlos Beltran and his clearly still-balky knee a disservice by keeping him in center field. Oh, and we repeat: Oliver Perez is coming back tonight. Do you really think this team, as currently constituted, is a Jake Westbrook or Ted Lilly away from the postseason? Unless either of those guys can hit, we can't imagine anyone who would say yes, save for maybe Omar Minaya. If the Mets end up trading Josh Thole for a mid-tier pitcher, it'll be Kazmir-Zambrano all over again.

Frayed Knot Jul 21 2010 08:05 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

If the Mets end up trading Josh Thole for a mid-tier pitcher, it'll be Kazmir-Zambrano all over again. No it won't

Edgy DC Jul 21 2010 08:12 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I appreciate him working two solid metaphors in there, but that's a weak closing paragraph for several reasons.

TransMonk Jul 21 2010 08:13 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Dipshit McGee wrote: The Mets are having a collapse a couple of months early... Please lobotomize me now.

MFS62 Jul 21 2010 08:29 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Locker Room Presence He capitalized that? I thought things like that only had to be capitalized when writing about Derek Jeter. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 21 2010 08:45 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

MFS62 wrote: Locker Room Presence He capitalized that? I thought things like that only had to be capitalized when writing about Derek Jeter. Later I believe Martino was going for irony there. I also believe Martino may find out about insertion-related injuries at some point this year if he doesn't tone down the snark. (The DN's sports editorial leadership is decimated? Can't tell a bit.)

metirish Jul 21 2010 08:48 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Pelfrey had his head shaved by strength and conditioning coach Rick Slate Tuesday, maybe that's what they were guffawing about.I'm more concerned to hear Manuel talk about a lack of effort in his post-game than I am about guys laughing.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2010 08:57 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: MFS62 wrote: Locker Room Presence He capitalized that? I thought things like that only had to be capitalized when writing about Derek Jeter. Later I believe Martino was going for irony there. I also believe Martino may find out about insertion-related injuries at some point this year if he doesn't tone down the snark. (The DN's sports editorial leadership is decimated? Can't tell a bit.) When are the Mets gonna go and fuck themselves already with this Alex Cora? So much ado about a player who hasn't been league average I don't think ever. Or hardly ever. This is the type of player I can't fucking stand. The guy that's praised ten times a day for leadership and Locker Room Presence because if the press ever stopped to see what the hell he was doing on the field, they'd see that Cora makes Miguel Cairo look good. I'm going with irony too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2010 08:59 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Oh I should say that quoted account above is Will Leich's forced drama in NY Mag, quoting David Waldstein's Times peice (I actually thought it was the Bats blog initially). Martino's report in my hard copy of the Snooze today didn't identify who Cora was yelling at.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 21 2010 09:05 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Oh I should say that quoted account above is Will Leich's forced drama in NY Mag, quoting David Waldstein's Times peice (I actually thought it was the Bats blog initially). Martino's report in my hard copy of the Snooze today didn't identify who Cora was yelling at. Ha. Yeah, that makes a little more sense-- it sounds REALLY smartassy for the News. Leitch has plenty of experience dodging orifice-violation from angry professional athletes, so he should be fine.

Ashie62 Jul 21 2010 09:14 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

metirish wrote: Pelfrey had his head shaved by strength and conditioning coach Rick Slate Tuesday, maybe that's what they were guffawing about.I'm more concerned to hear Manuel talk about a lack of effort in his post-game than I am about guys laughing. Yeah, the post-game press conference was unsettling. If there is a lack of effort it seems to come from the tippy top of management down to the field. 2006 feels like a long, long, long time ago.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 21 2010 09:43 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

batmagadanleadoff wrote: When are the Mets gonna go and fuck themselves already with this Alex Cora? So much ado about a player who hasn't been league average I don't think ever. Or hardly ever. This is the type of player I can't fucking stand. The guy that's praised ten times a day for leadership and Locker Room Presence because if the press ever stopped to see what the hell he was doing on the field, they'd see that Cora makes Miguel Cairo look good. I'm going with irony too. Good thing he doesn't have, say, a multimillion-dollar vesting player option for next year he's three weeks away from reaching. Then we'd really be in a pickle!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2010 09:46 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I got no problem with anyone reminding the Mets they're playing like shit lately.

Edgy DC Jul 21 2010 09:46 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

If the only guy praising him is being ironic, I don't think we have to get ourselves so damn angry about him being praised ten times a day.

metsguyinmichigan Jul 21 2010 09:47 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I have no problem with Cora calling people out like that. None. Would I be happier if it were David Wright? Yes. But it sounds like someone needed to step up, and Cora had the stones to do it. I can respect a guy like that, who will say it to his teammates in a crowded room instead of the guy who says it as an unnamed source to Jon Heyman or hangs an unsigned "Know your place, rook" sign in a kid's locker.

MFS62 Jul 21 2010 09:48 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: MFS62 wrote: Locker Room Presence He capitalized that? I thought things like that only had to be capitalized when writing about Derek Jeter. Later I believe Martino was going for irony there. I was going for invective. Later

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2010 09:50 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I've got a problem with the idea that a player ought to behave like he's at a funeral after a loss. I don't believe that Pelfrey cares less about winning just because he was joking with a reporter after the loss. Here's my idea: Why doesn't Alex Cora shut the fuck up until he can get his batting average over .280 for one whole week?

Ceetar Jul 21 2010 09:54 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I've got a problem with the idea that a player ought to behave like he's at a funeral after a loss. I don't believe that Pelfrey cares less about winning just because he was joking with a reporter after the loss. Here's my idea: Why doesn't Alex Cora shut the fuck up until he can get his batting average over .280 for one whole week? I have a feeling that it wasn't directed at Pelfrey so much as the reporters. Coming in all jovial and making jokes or whatever.

Frayed Knot Jul 21 2010 09:57 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I don't think Cora - or anyone for that matter - needs to check the stat sheets before deciding whether or not he's allowed to say something.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2010 10:02 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't think Cora - or anyone for that matter - needs to check the stat sheets before deciding whether or not he's allowed to say something. Oh I wasn't being literal. There's 25 players in the locker room and the idea that they should all behave like Cora would is, to me, self-centered and narcissistic. I also question Cora's motive for his reaction and wonder if perhaps, it was all contrived and calculated just to get favorable ink for his, ya know, Want To Win More Than The Other Mets personality that is supposed to be the essence of Alex Cora. Because he's not gonna remind us of Chase Utley.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 21 2010 10:04 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I don't think Cora - or anyone for that matter - needs to check the stat sheets before deciding whether or not he's allowed to say something. Oh I wasn't being literal. There's 25 players in the locker room and the idea that they should all behave like Cora would is, to me, self-centered and narcissistic. I also question Cora's motive for his reaction and wonder if perhaps, it was all contrived and calculated just to get favorable ink for his, ya know, Want To Win More Than The Other Mets personality that is supposed to be the essence of Alex Cora. Because he's not gonna remind us of Chase Utley. Now, I don't know about all that.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2010 10:06 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

So how come no one's defending Pelf? We're supposed to believe that Pelf cares less about winning because he was joking with reporters?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 21 2010 10:15 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I haven't heard anyone impugning Pelfrey here, either. Some people, when faced with a broken-down bus on a desert highway, start raving and throwing luggage across the road. Some people take out a deck of cards and start playing. Some check on how everyone else is doing. Ultimately, what does it matter how the guys react, if none of them's a mechanic? I like a likable team that gets along-- it's a nice image. It's a nice thought, the picture of '69 as a ragtag bunch of younguns who dug each other and the strange trip they were on; it's a nice thought, the idea of '86 as a bunch of rollicking dudes and well-meaning straight-lacers who were all on the same page. I don't know how real those pictures are, but-- hey-- they're nice to gaze on. But, really? REALLY really? Except as far as it impedes performance-- and those instances are few and far between in a game like baseball-- I could give a shit about whether Cora yells at Pelfrey or Francoeur goes out to sci-fi movies with Frankie or Carter makes out with Feliciano when nobody's looking.

Frayed Knot Jul 21 2010 10:21 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I don't think Cora - or anyone for that matter - needs to check the stat sheets before deciding whether or not he's allowed to say something. Oh I wasn't being literal. There's 25 players in the locker room and the idea that they should all behave like Cora would is, to me, self-centered and narcissistic. I also question Cora's motive for his reaction and wonder if perhaps, it was all contrived and calculated just to get favorable ink for his, ya know, Want To Win More Than The Other Mets personality that is supposed to be the essence of Alex Cora. Because he's not gonna remind us of Chase Utley. Considering that you went from 'he should STFU until he gets his BA up' to 'he's a selfish phony because he's not exactly the next Chase Utley', the part in the middle about not being literal about him needing to check the stat sheet in order to speak up doesn't quite jive with all that.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2010 11:29 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't think Cora - or anyone for that matter - needs to check the stat sheets before deciding whether or not he's allowed to say something. I agree with you. But Cora hitting .280 correlates stronger with the Mets winning than whether or not Pelfrey's joking with a reporter. Therefore, if Cora wants to win, maybe he should hold up his end of the deal by figuring out how to hit .280 instead of worrying whether Pelfrey prefers sausage or pepperoni on his pizza.

Ashie62 Jul 21 2010 11:34 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Cora Cora Cora! is this generations version of Marcia Marcia Marcia! The players and writers all sound like a bunch of whiny bitches.

Edgy DC Jul 21 2010 11:35 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

All of them?

Ceetar Jul 21 2010 11:46 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Edgy DC wrote: All of them? bloggers too? that's sorta writing. I can definitely pull off whiny bitch.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 21 2010 11:47 AM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I'm more "whingey" bitch-- like whiny bitch with an added soupcon* of pretentiousness. *See?

Frayed Knot Jul 21 2010 12:12 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I don't think Cora - or anyone for that matter - needs to check the stat sheets before deciding whether or not he's allowed to say something. I agree with you. But Cora hitting .280 correlates stronger with the Mets winning than whether or not Pelfrey's joking with a reporter. Therefore, if Cora wants to win, maybe he should hold up his end of the deal by figuring out how to hit .280 instead of worrying whether Pelfrey prefers sausage or pepperoni on his pizza. Right, because the acts of what to say in a locker room and hitting better are like choices one merely has to decide to make in order to carry them out.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2010 12:23 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I don't think Cora - or anyone for that matter - needs to check the stat sheets before deciding whether or not he's allowed to say something. I agree with you. But Cora hitting .280 correlates stronger with the Mets winning than whether or not Pelfrey's joking with a reporter. Therefore, if Cora wants to win, maybe he should hold up his end of the deal by figuring out how to hit .280 instead of worrying whether Pelfrey prefers sausage or pepperoni on his pizza. Right, because the acts of what to say in a locker room and hitting better are like choices one merely has to decide to make in order to carry them out. You're right. But so what? Like Leiter wrote a few posts above, who the hell cares that Pelfrey joked with a reporter? I guarantee you that Cora's batting average is hurting the Mets more than Pelfrey's less than somber mood.

Frayed Knot Jul 21 2010 12:54 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Yeah I get it, especially seeing as how this is the fourth time in four posts you've inserted Cora's stats as part of the argument while trying to claim in between that you don't actually mean it. And questioning how someone acts in certain situations surrounding the team's wins and losses isn't the same as saying they don't care about winning, it's merely questioning how they go about it or how they accept the results. I have no problem with a player doing that and I'm not going to means-test* the participants in order to decide whose side I'm on. Accept that argument or reject it, but to choose sides based on the BA of which guy is on which side is stupid, and if that's not what you're doing then maybe ceasing to bring it up each time would be a real good start. * Plus, if we apply the means test based on results from the last few weeks then Pelfrey needs to sit in his corner quietly until maybe Labor Day.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2010 01:08 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I'm all mixed up here. I don't understand the nature of our disagreement. Cora can say whatever the hell he wants to say. But it seems to me that it takes a lot of balls for a crappy sub .250 below league average for his entire crappy career crappy hitter to criticize Pelfrey for joking with a reporter. Whether or not the article specifically said so or not, Cora's clearly questioning Pelfrey's heart or desire. But this is the only way that Cora's ever gonna get favorable press: by feeding into the old wive's tale about how Cora's character should override the fact that he sucks. Of course, he'll get that occasional clutch game-winning extra base hit too, but for every one of those, Cora's making like 30 or 45 outs.

Zvon Jul 21 2010 02:16 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I feel like a few here: Something needs to be said to get this team up and off its ass. I don't care who says it. It is preferable that it be someone on the team. Better if the others will hear and possibly listen. I'm not gonna say hang a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind Cora. But if they knock out a ten game winning streak starting tonight, I'll return here and do that thing.

Frayed Knot Jul 21 2010 02:22 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I'm all mixed up here. I don't understand the nature of our disagreement. I don't have a problem with what Cora did or said simply because he's a backup infielder who hits like a backup infielder. You clearly do. Cora can say whatever the hell he wants to say. But it seems to me that it takes a lot of balls for a crappy sub .250 below league average for his entire crappy career crappy hitter to criticize Pelfrey for joking with a reporter. And once again (5th time) with the on-field stats having a say in determining who can say what after you claim they don't. Whether or not the article specifically said so or not, Cora's clearly questioning Pelfrey's heart or desire. Not his heart desire but the way he goes about his business and reacts to bad days - or at least as to how he was doing so at that moment. But this is the only way that Cora's ever gonna get favorable press: by feeding into the old wive's tale about how Cora's character should override the fact that he sucks. Of course, he'll get that occasional clutch game-winning extra base hit too, but for every one of those, Cora's making like 30 or 45 outs. The fact that you created this whole back-story where the reasons behind why he said what he said are all disruptive and self-aggrandizing doesn't make it true, nor does linking it - not even for the sixth time now - to his pecking order in the offense. If you think that certain members of the press are spinning this in a way where it must be true and accurate because it came from none other than Alex the Great THEN BLAME THEM! I'm done here.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 21 2010 02:54 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Something needs to be said to get this team up and off its ass. I don't care who says it. It is preferable that it be someone on the team. Better if the others will hear and possibly listen. I disagree. Contrary to what "Major League" might have you believe, this isn't football or hockey, where the harder one tries/hits/runs, the better the result. Baseball's a skill game of individuals; effort plays a role, but it's usually not the primary reason for success or failure (the very reason why Steinbrenner being an asshole about lack of trying or effort after his team loses in the World Series seems so ludicrous to us-- it's kind of a stupid tack to take). So... maybe pretending that the losing is happening because they're "not playing the right way" helps certain-- or most-- guys get in the frame of mind to actually address their problems. But unless the entire team is jogging out ground balls or playing shallow flies like Hanley Ramirez after a turkey dinner, effort and accountability aren't the problem. The problem is, they're playing like shit; adjustments might help... so might random variance... but trying harder isn't necessarily it, and old-fashioned Patton pep talks really aren't.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2010 03:16 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I'm not gonna come down on any "right" way for two people I don't know to communicate anything, but I will say what little I know about ballplayers suggests that in general their major motivator is the respect of their teammates, and to the (unknown) extent that this matters even a little, maybe it makes Pelfrey think about how his behavior earns him that respect among at least one teammate. It was never said, but I would guess Jerry's last-minute rotation switching at the beginning of the year was intended to send a message to Pelfrey also. I also don't really buy the idea Cora is play acting in order to polish his media image. I'd sooner argue that he's mad at Pelfrey for being chummy with "enemies" in the fourth estate who are all sharing a laugh now but in moments will be pounding away on their laptops, savaging them. Also, there's little to suggest that Cora's aura of regard is anything other than earned.

G-Fafif Jul 21 2010 03:22 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

This thread title makes me think Big Pelf is going up against that nice lady from the old coffee commercials... ...and is probably losing.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2010 03:48 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I'm still not sure what it is that Cora earned or why he earned whatever it is that he earned. All I know is that he sucks. And though I recognize the absolute necessity in having to have an Alex Cora on the team, having said that, If I were the manager, I'd hope to hell that I'd have to use Cora as seldom as is possible. Because the more playing time Alex Cora gets, the worse off the Mets are. That's why he's a backup. Because he's not good enough to play regularly. (He wasn't good enough to play regularly when he was a regular, either.) And I'm not gonna ignore his sub .300 OBP because now he gets respect for being the last guy on the team that'll joke with reporters. This is how Frank Cashen musta felt when Randy Niemann sprayed him with the bubbly.

Ashie62 Jul 21 2010 05:01 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

G-Fafif wrote: This thread title makes me think Big Pelf is going up against that nice lady from the old coffee commercials... ...and is probably losing. She looks like a whiney bitch

metsguyinmichigan Jul 21 2010 05:08 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Ashie62 wrote: G-Fafif wrote: This thread title makes me think Big Pelf is going up against that nice lady from the old coffee commercials... ...and is probably losing. She looks like a whiney bitch You'd be closer by saying "whiny witch." That's Margaret Hamilton, who scared the snot out of many a kid as the Wicked Witch of the West.

G-Fafif Jul 21 2010 05:18 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Ashie62 wrote: G-Fafif wrote: This thread title makes me think Big Pelf is going up against that nice lady from the old coffee commercials... ...and is probably losing. She looks like a whiney bitch You'd be closer by saying "whiny witch." That's Margaret Hamilton, who scared the snot out of many a kid as the Wicked Witch of the West. Which (or witch) I suppose the current Cora was trying to do in the clubhouse last night.

Ashie62 Jul 21 2010 05:22 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

We need more snot scarers.

Ceetar Jul 21 2010 05:26 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

You know, the more I hear about this the more it sounds like a completely bs story. Sounds like Cora wasn't directed it at Pelfrey (although he may have been backtracking today) but the media. Adam Rubin said cora looked pissy at the noise before Pelfrey even showed up (glad to know Rubin spends his time staring at Cora thinking "gee, this guy looks annoyed. why is he glaring at me?) Sounds like Cora was depressed after the game and in a bad mood, and in roars the media, looking for quotes, making jokes, enjoying life. pissed Cora off more. misery loves company. Love how Martino, who's the one that pointed the finger at Pelf anyway, jumps on the Cora bandwagon with a "He's right, it was too loud for a loss." so my tweet to Andy? Ceetar : @SurfingTheMets since you are the authority, what is the appropriate decibel level post loss? Post win? Different for close/blow out? #mets (in reply to SurfingTheMets)

Zvon Jul 21 2010 05:50 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Something needs to be said to get this team up and off its ass. I don't care who says it. It is preferable that it be someone on the team. Better if the others will hear and possibly listen. I disagree. Contrary to what "Major League" might have you believe, this isn't football or hockey, where the harder one tries/hits/runs, the better the result. Baseball's a skill game of individuals; effort plays a role, but it's usually not the primary reason for success or failure (the very reason why Steinbrenner being an asshole about lack of trying or effort after his team loses in the World Series seems so ludicrous to us-- it's kind of a stupid tack to take). So... maybe pretending that the losing is happening because they're "not playing the right way" helps certain-- or most-- guys get in the frame of mind to actually address their problems. But unless the entire team is jogging out ground balls or playing shallow flies like Hanley Ramirez after a turkey dinner, effort and accountability aren't the problem. The problem is, they're playing like shit; adjustments might help... so might random variance... but trying harder isn't necessarily it, and old-fashioned Patton pep talks really aren't. I'm okay with you disagreeing. I hear what you say there. And I'd have to say that what's happening on the field, more specifically at the plate, is the primary reason for failure recently. Right now though, I'll take anything at all that comes along and changes how things are going. A black cat, sure. A manager gettin tossed, yea man. Whatever. Anything at this point. So I'm okay with what Cora said. I like it. I'll even commend him for standing out. And lets not overlook what he actually said: Cora spouted an expletive in Spanish and raised his voice in the direction of Pelfrey and reporters as he de parted the clubhouse at Chase Field. "A little respect, please!" Cora snapped. "They stuck it up our [butts]." No speech. Nothing about playing harder. Just an attitude that there should not be frivolity after (he might even be thinking in terms of the last few loses) a loss. Now after the press leaves, tell a joke or something, ease the stress. But while the press is still there and have their pads out, I agree with him. Act like a winning team that has lost should act. Even if its an act. While there are other ears and eyes on you, you represent the Mets. rEpReSeNt GaNgStAS!

metirish Jul 21 2010 07:29 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

It's my own fault I know , I switched to SNY thinking that perhaps the game would be on at an earlier hour , it wasn't but Loudmouths was on and there were the hosts going on about how great "future manager" Alex Cora is for speaking up yyybbb

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2010 08:01 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Ceetar wrote: You know, the more I hear about this the more it sounds like a completely bs story. Sounds like Cora wasn't directed it at Pelfrey (although he may have been backtracking today) but the media. Adam Rubin said cora looked pissy at the noise before Pelfrey even showed up (glad to know Rubin spends his time staring at Cora thinking "gee, this guy looks annoyed. why is he glaring at me?) Sounds like Cora was depressed after the game and in a bad mood, and in roars the media, looking for quotes, making jokes, enjoying life. pissed Cora off more. misery loves company. Love how Martino, who's the one that pointed the finger at Pelf anyway, jumps on the Cora bandwagon with a "He's right, it was too loud for a loss." so my tweet to Andy? Ceetar : @SurfingTheMets since you are the authority, what is the appropriate decibel level post loss? Post win? Different for close/blow out? #mets (in reply to SurfingTheMets) I have no idea what you're talking about. Martino dodn't even I'd Pelfrey, and his reporting had no real point of view.

Ashie62 Jul 21 2010 08:12 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

metirish wrote: It's my own fault I know , I switched to SNY thinking that perhaps the game would be on at an earlier hour , it wasn't but Loudmouths was on and there were the hosts going on about how great "future manager" Alex Cora is for speaking up yyybbb Future Dick's Sporting Goods Manager.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2010 08:12 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Ceetar wrote: You know, the more I hear about this the more it sounds like a completely bs story. Sounds like Cora wasn't directed it at Pelfrey (although he may have been backtracking today) but the media. Adam Rubin said cora looked pissy at the noise before Pelfrey even showed up (glad to know Rubin spends his time staring at Cora thinking "gee, this guy looks annoyed. why is he glaring at me?) Sounds like Cora was depressed after the game and in a bad mood, and in roars the media, looking for quotes, making jokes, enjoying life. pissed Cora off more. misery loves company. Love how Martino, who's the one that pointed the finger at Pelf anyway, jumps on the Cora bandwagon with a "He's right, it was too loud for a loss." so my tweet to Andy? Ceetar : @SurfingTheMets since you are the authority, what is the appropriate decibel level post loss? Post win? Different for close/blow out? #mets (in reply to SurfingTheMets) Shouldn't you be asking Alex Cora instead of Martino, when it's appropriate to joke with reporters?

Nymr83 Jul 21 2010 08:31 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

But it seems more that the Mets' aches are self-inflicted — self-inserted, to use Cora's uncomfortable metaphor. The bats have completely vanished on the road trip The difference between getting shut down by great pitchers (Lincecum, Zito) and being in a batting slump is solely the degree to which the writer wants a positive/negative spin on the team in his article.

Zvon Jul 21 2010 08:31 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Update: According to Gary and Ron the reporters were talking with no one but each other, were just hangin out and joking in a group, making noise. Cora gave em the what for.

Zvon Jul 21 2010 08:32 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Nymr83 wrote: But it seems more that the Mets' aches are self-inflicted — self-inserted, to use Cora's uncomfortable metaphor. The bats have completely vanished on the road trip The difference between getting shut down by great pitchers (Lincecum, Zito) and being in a batting slump is solely the degree to which the writer wants a positive/negative spin on the team in his article. worth a bounce to this page.

Zvon Jul 21 2010 08:58 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

So, who's embarrassed by this thread? Raise your hands.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2010 09:02 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I began to regret this thread about 10 hours ago. In fact, I think I wasted my entire day here. But Cora still sucks. And if I was Mike Pelfrey and Cora tried to tell me when it was OK to joke with a reporter, I'd tell Cora and his tiny batting average to mind his own business.

Edgy DC Jul 21 2010 09:15 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

I think you've made your feelings clear on the matter.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2010 09:17 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I began to regret this thread about 10 hours ago. In fact, I think I wasted my entire day here. But Cora still sucks. And if I was Mike Pelfrey and Cora tried to tell me when it was OK to joke with a reporter, I'd tell Cora and his tiny batting average to mind his own business. I agree you coulda stfu.

Zvon Jul 21 2010 09:18 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

Don't let that reporter continue to rile you brother. What he reported never happened the way he reported it. Pelfrey was not a part of the picture The reporter is sitting back and laughing somewhere cuz he wanted to push some buttons and he did. And the rporters in the clubhouse who's shit Cora jumped on said that they were being too loud and they were sorry. Core might suck. We can debate this.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2010 09:23 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

dupe

batmagadanleadoff Jul 21 2010 09:37 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I began to regret this thread about 10 hours ago. In fact, I think I wasted my entire day here. But Cora still sucks. And if I was Mike Pelfrey and Cora tried to tell me when it was OK to joke with a reporter, I'd tell Cora and his tiny batting average to mind his own business. I agree you coulda stfu. I coulda. And probably shoulda.

Zvon Jul 21 2010 09:40 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: dupe I am NOT a dupe. I am a TEAM LEADER! I am a FUTURE MANAGER! I am.....tired of this *YAWN

Zvon Jul 21 2010 09:46 PM Re: Cora v. Pelfrey

And as a player? I might suck. Don't go by my numbers though. I do alot of things that don't make the box sco......