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Ollie to KC

DocTee Jul 25 2010 05:49 PM

For Gil Meche, sez Ken Rosenthal. Garbage in, garbage out.

metirish Jul 25 2010 06:18 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Is that done cos Heyman says Francoeur will go too and Guillen comes back with Meche, Castillo part of talks too.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 25 2010 06:22 PM Re: Ollie to KC

WHOA!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2010 06:24 PM Re: Ollie to KC

holy mackeral. Meche used to be good.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2010 06:25 PM Re: Ollie to KC

I'm not sure it's happened yet. If it has, Rosenthal seems to be the only one who knows about it.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 25 2010 06:28 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Yes, this should be "Ollie to KC?" not "Ollie to KC". Here's what Ken Rosenthal is saying: Ken Rosenthal wrote: The Mets and Royals are discussing a trade that would result in an exchange of Mets left-hander Oliver Perez for Royals righty Gil Meche — and possibly more. The names under discussion, major-league sources say, include outfielder Jeff Francoeur and second baseman Luis Castillo from the Mets and reliever Kyle Farnsworth and outfielder Jose Guillen from the Royals. To be clear: Those names are in play, but might not all be in the same proposals. A trade, if it happens, will not necessarily be 3-for-3. Perez and Meche have exactly the same amount of money remaining on their contracts — the pro-rated portion of $12 million this season and $12 million next season. The contracts of Francoeur and Farnsworth also match up almost evenly. Francouer is earning $5 million this season and eligible for arbitration next season. Farnsworth is earning $4.5 million this season with a $5.25 million club option for next season. Guillen is owed just over $4 million on the final year of his contract. Castillo is owed just over $8 million on his deal, which runs through next season.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2010 06:28 PM Re: Ollie to KC

The Greatest Trade Rumor in Baseball History A rundown of the relevant parties: * Oliver Perez, owed $24/2: Arguably the worst pitcher in baseball, Perez has Steve Blass Disease, minus the connotation of once having good control. Perez allows more homeruns and walks at a per-nine-inning pace than Cliff Lee will allow in the next 5 years. * Luis Castillo, owed $12/2: Castillo's only skill is plate discipline. After losing most of the joint function in both of his knees, his other two abilities, hitting infield singles and fielding, became impossible. * Jeff Francoeur, owed 1/$5 (arb. eligible): Despite consistently being the worst rightfielder in baseball for several years, Mets fans are convinced he would be make a good fourth outfielder on a championship team. He's practically Endy Chavez's cousin: no plate discipline, no speed, mediocre power, average fielder, average contact hitter. * Gil Meche, owed 1/$12: Meche was a pretty good pitcher until ex-Royals' manager Trey Hillman made him throw 200 pitches a game starting in 2008. Now, his contract isn't the only number he and Ollie have in common: * Screen_shot_2010-07-25_at_6 Screen_shot_2010-07-25_at_6 * Kyle Farnsworth, owed $10/2 (option in '11): T3h Pr0f3ss0r is the only useful player in this bunch. He throws about 100 mph in no particular direction, which gives him about 50/50 chance of throwing a strike on any given pitch or having a good year in an particular season. * Jose Guillen, owed 2/$24: Way overpaid, certainly not a starter on a team serious about contending, and prone to the occasional Iron Sheik-esque rant, Jose Guillen is certainly better than Jeff Francoeur. The funniest part about this whole proposed-trade is that, if it happened straight-up three-for-three, the Mets would probably be the winners. Winners, though, only in the sense that they'd have cleared some bad contracts in preparation of building next year's roster. If you bother to consider next year's payroll obligations--Bay for $18M, Beltran for $20M, Rodriguez for $12M, Cora for $2M--it's apparent that having a few extra million or ten was never this team's problem. This trade would just be two organizations flaunting their ignorance to the rest of the baseball world, taking their three biggest failures each and putting them on a pedestal. I'm just worried they might try to swap urinal cakes too, but hit a snag when Kauffman's are discovered to come from a cheaper distributer. http://www.amazinavenue.com/2010/7/25/1 ... e-rumor-in

Edgy DC Jul 25 2010 06:30 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Three whipping boys in one trade package? Really?

batmagadanleadoff Jul 25 2010 06:31 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Meche is on the 60 day DL. That might be the best part of the proposed deal.

Frayed Knot Jul 25 2010 06:31 PM Re: Ollie to KC

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: holy mackeral. Meche used to be good. So did Ollie

DocTee Jul 25 2010 06:36 PM Re: Ollie to KC

The Amazin Avenue post is hilarious. This would be the biggest "challenge" trade in MLB history.

Edgy DC Jul 25 2010 06:44 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Seriously, though, juicers, douchebags, meatheads, manager-baiters, ex-Yankees, ex-Braves, Pedro attackers. The Mets could win this trade, but this would be one hell of a toxic package.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 25 2010 06:46 PM Re: Ollie to KC

batmagadanleadoff wrote: \ The funniest part about this whole proposed-trade is that, if it happened straight-up three-for-three, the Mets would probably be the winners. Winners, though, only in the sense that they'd have cleared some bad contracts in preparation of building next year's roster. If you bother to consider next year's payroll obligations--Bay for $18M, Beltran for $20M, Rodriguez for $12M, Cora for $2M--it's apparent that having a few extra million or ten was never this team's problem. HA HA! That is FUNNY! This trade would just be two organizations flaunting their ignorance to the rest of the baseball world, taking their three biggest failures each and putting them on a pedestal. Thanks for the insight, Snarky Knowitall. I'm just worried they might try to swap urinal cakes too, but hit a snag when Kauffman's are discovered to come from a cheaper distributer. Wait, he already said the funniest part was up there... then this! Ha Ha! ROFL. Urinal cakes! LOL!

MFS62 Jul 25 2010 06:48 PM Re: Ollie to KC

I would do it. Meche strugled early this year, but seems to have found "it" and has pitched pretty well lately. Farnsworth throws harder than any Mets current reliever except for Parnell. And the trade of Castillo paves the way for the development of Tejada. It seems so one-sided in favor of the Mets that I think KC saw "NY" on the uniforms and had a flashback to the days (50s - 60s) when they were called a Yankee farm team. (I know, before expansion, they were.) Later

The Second Spitter Jul 25 2010 06:51 PM Re: Ollie to KC Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 25 2010 06:55 PM

Omar utterly amazes me -- rather than trying to make a trade that would legitimately add value to this ailing ball-club, instead he focuses on swapping garbage. Haren's gone, the Phillies are looking at Oswalt, the Tigers at Dunn, and Omar's negotiating with the Royals for frigging Gil Meche and Kyle Farnsworth. Fuck me.

Frayed Knot Jul 25 2010 06:53 PM Re: Ollie to KC

MFS62 wrote: Meche strugled early this year, but seems to have found "it" and has pitched pretty well lately. When's "lately"? He hasn't pitched since May Farnsworth throws harder than any Mets current reliever except for Parnell. Which isn't to be confused with 'better' And the trade of Castillo paves the way for the development of Tejada. A development which would best be served by him playing everyday in the minors IMO. Right now, Tejada has Castillo's power only minus 50 points of OBA

Ceetar Jul 25 2010 06:58 PM Re: Ollie to KC

If they're seriously considering trading Castillo, I think it does signal that they're virtually giving up this year. Tejada is just a significant downgrade on a team that's struggling to score runs. And if that were the case I'm just as willing to let Ollie have a shot next spring as Meche. Not sure Guillen has any real value to the Mets either.

MFS62 Jul 25 2010 07:00 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Frayed Knot wrote: MFS62 wrote: Meche strugled early this year, but seems to have found "it" and has pitched pretty well lately. When's "lately"? He hasn't pitched since May Oops, don't follow the AL too much. I confused Meche with Greinke. Brain fart. Never mind. Later

Ceetar Jul 25 2010 07:01 PM Re: Ollie to KC

MFS62 wrote: MFS62 wrote: Meche strugled early this year, but seems to have found "it" and has pitched pretty well lately. When's "lately"? He hasn't pitched since May Oops, don't follow the AL too much. I confused Meche with Greinke. Brain fart. Never mind. Later Ollie for Greinke? sold.

Edgy DC Jul 25 2010 07:03 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Ceetar wrote: If they're seriously considering trading Castillo, I think it does signal that they're virtually giving up this year. I'd be terribly unsurprised if they also had a lead on a secondbaseman. Ask Urinal Cakes. He probably has a lead.

Ceetar Jul 25 2010 07:08 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: If they're seriously considering trading Castillo, I think it does signal that they're virtually giving up this year. I'd be terribly unsurprised if they also had a lead on a secondbaseman. Ask Urinal Cakes. He probably has a lead. Uggla's been floated, not that I want him or think Florida would trade him to a team they're suddenly right behind.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 25 2010 07:13 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Aviles may be useful. Kalahue and Gordon, they seem to be down on. Instead... well, it's interesting, in the way that a car wreck can be-- absorbing when taken in passing, but you don't want to be one of the parties directly involved. If you think Sheffield in left was fun... wait'll you see Guillen. (Ditto for his buying being a part-time player/bench weapon.)

seawolf17 Jul 25 2010 07:47 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Leave Guillen/Castillo out of it. Perez/Francoeur for Meche/Farnsworth. I'd probably do that.

Ashie62 Jul 25 2010 08:40 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Any form of this is garbage in, garbage out. If sends Ollie out wrap it up and bowtie it. I have no problem with Tejada learning on the job.

Fman99 Jul 25 2010 08:50 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Ashie62 wrote: If sends Ollie out wrap it up and bowtie it. This.

Edgy DC Jul 25 2010 09:02 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: If they're seriously considering trading Castillo, I think it does signal that they're virtually giving up this year. I'd be terribly unsurprised if they also had a lead on a secondbaseman. Ask Urinal Cakes. He probably has a lead. Uggla's been floated, not that I want him or think Florida would trade him to a team they're suddenly right behind. Nonetheless.

duan Jul 26 2010 09:03 AM Re: Ollie to KC

wow. that'd be a whole lot of fun if it happened. Meche has a no trade clause though.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 26 2010 09:05 AM Re: Ollie to KC

Y'think he likes ribs that much?

MFS62 Jul 26 2010 09:14 AM Re: Ollie to KC

For whatever this is worth.(probably nothing) Found it on a KC website: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=281&f=2054&t=6153508 Later

Farmer Ted Jul 26 2010 12:33 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Those Royals fans are just plain silly, aren't they?

batmagadanleadoff Jul 26 2010 08:15 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Report: Royals not looking to make deal with Mets ESPN's Jayson Stark reports the Royals have "no interest" in making a multiplayer trade with the Mets. Stark quotes an unnamed source who shot down reports the teams were contemplating a swap of bad contracts before Saturday's nonwaiver deadline. Players such as Jeff Francoeur, Oliver Perez, Luis Castillo, Gil Meche, Jose Guillen and Kyle Farnsworth were mentioned in the reports. Kansas City, though, has expressed interest in acquiring Francoeur, who was drafted by the Braves when current Royals general manager Dayton Moore was in charge of Atlanta's farm system. http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/article ... -deal-mets

seawolf17 Jul 26 2010 08:23 PM Re: Ollie to KC

I guess someone took away the Royals' 2006 copy of the Baseball Register and plugged in their computers. Dang; so close.

Vic Sage Jul 27 2010 10:27 AM Re: Ollie to KC

francoeur for farnsworth. c'mon, lets make it happen.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 27 2010 10:34 AM Re: Ollie to KC

Farnsworth is such a mongoloid, I dunno. btw, Meche was destroyed in a rehab start yesterday. KC fans think his issue is that he needs surgery but hasn't agreed to get it.

Frayed Knot Jul 27 2010 11:05 AM Re: Ollie to KC

I'd hardly be the first person to say this, but Farnsworth always seemed like a guy who does less with more compared to just about anyone in MLB. Good "stuff", but over 12 years now there have only been a few seasons or partial seasons with anything other than mediocre to lousy results.

Edgy DC Jul 28 2010 02:36 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Royals’ Meche likely done for the season THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Wednesday, July 28, 2010 Kansas City Royals right-hander Gil Meche will have surgery on his pitching shoulder that will probably end his season. Meche, 31, has been on the disabled list since May 29 with what the club described as bursitis in the shoulder. Meche, the first upper-tier free agent the Royals signed, has battled injuries the past two seasons. He has one year left on a five-year, $55 million contract. “I imagine it will be some type of cleanup in there with the scope,” Kansas City Manager Ned Yost said. “He still has irritation. It’s not getting better. We’re probably looking at scoping it somehow and getting him cleaned up and having him ready for next year.” Yost said, “I would imagine so,” when asked if Meche would be out for the season. Now a pitcher just has to be rumored to be heading to the Mets to get hurt! This rumor sucked.

Farmer Ted Jul 28 2010 03:07 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Zambrano Syndrome.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2010 03:20 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Meche & Ollie both have this year plus one more to go on contracts at just about the same terms, but Meche looks like he's done for this season. So a hypothetical Q: If it were a straight up deal of just OP for GM do you still do it anyway?

The Second Spitter Jul 28 2010 03:22 PM Re: Ollie to KC

Meche can't stop the bleeding.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 28 2010 03:34 PM Re: Ollie to KC

I'd do it immediately, twice tomorrow, and thrice more on Sunday.