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IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Ceetar Jul 29 2010 05:18 PM

Mike Pelfrey continues his second half resurgence

Ashie62 Jul 29 2010 10:38 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="Ceetar"]Mike Pelfrey continues his second half resurgence

???

LETS!

Zvon Jul 29 2010 10:43 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

The Second Spitter Jul 30 2010 12:19 AM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Edgy DC Jul 30 2010 02:35 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Jose Reyes, SS Luis Castillo, 2B Angel Pagan, LF David Wright, 3B Carlos Beltran, CF Ike Davis, 1B Jeff Francoeur, RF Henry Blanco, C Mike Pelfrey, RP Source: John Delcos.

Ashie62 Jul 30 2010 05:13 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

All hail John Delcos

Ashie62 Jul 30 2010 05:27 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="Ceetar":3iyf82qf]Mike Pelfrey continues his second half resurgence[/quote:3iyf82qf] Pelfrey sucks azz

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2010 05:29 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Can anyone other than Dickey on this staff throw swing-and-miss stuff once in a while?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2010 05:42 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

TIE GAME!

metsguyinmichigan Jul 30 2010 05:44 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

DWRIGHT KABOOM!!!! Pelf gets new life.

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 06:16 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

KaraAnne Galante is a better announcer than John Sterling.

metirish Jul 30 2010 06:19 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="bmfc1":3j300q8f]KaraAnne Galante is a better announcer than John Sterling.[/quote:3j300q8f] I'm loving her, and she gets to call a home run......wow

metsguyinmichigan Jul 30 2010 06:21 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

ANOTHER KABOOM by DWright!!!!

Kong76 Jul 30 2010 06:21 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

How adorable was that?

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 06:24 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

I hope that her call is played on Sports Center. Also, it would be nice if the Mets found the ball, got DW to sign it, and gave it to her.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2010 06:27 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

David drives em in faster than Pelf gives em away, very impressive.

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 06:31 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Is it creepy that someone on Twitter (NOT ME!) found KaraAnne's Twitter page? https://twitter.com/italiabella5

Edgy DC Jul 30 2010 07:04 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

It's only the top of the sixth and I can hear Jerry's breath quicken from here as he anticipates getting his boys into a save oppotunity.

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 07:10 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Way to over-manage, Jerry.

Nymr83 Jul 30 2010 07:15 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

thanks, Valdez (and jerry).

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 07:16 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Jerry, you are a moron. It was 2 out and the runner was on b/c of an error.

Ceetar Jul 30 2010 07:18 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="bmfc1":1u2fdik2]Is it creepy that someone on Twitter (NOT ME!) found KaraAnne's Twitter page? https://twitter.com/italiabella5[/quote:1u2fdik2] I was at a bar and not paying attention. who is this chick?

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 07:22 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Winner of a contest to announce an inning. 11th grade girl... when the inning started, Gary asked her what she would say if she called a David Wright HR (her favorite player) and then she got to call a DW HR.

The Second Spitter Jul 30 2010 07:27 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="bmfc1":svwm9h5f]Is it creepy that someone on Twitter (NOT ME!) found KaraAnne's Twitter page? https://twitter.com/italiabella5[/quote:svwm9h5f] I wanna become one of her followers in case she offers bonuses if the Mets win the World Series... On edit: I didn't realize she was only in the 11th grade!

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 07:30 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

MFY get Austin Kearns. That's two bats today. Meanwhile, Omar does nothing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2010 07:38 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Austin Kearns sucks.

The Second Spitter Jul 30 2010 07:39 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 30 2010 09:27 PM

[quote="bmfc1":1wbul474]MFY get Austin Kearns. That's two bats today. Meanwhile, Omar does nothing.[/quote:1wbul474] It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad: http://mobile.twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/ ... 9944775504

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 07:43 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Ledger_NYMets Two fans storm the field waving Mexican flags. They are either protesting Arizona's immigration law or the misuse of Oliver Perez.

metirish Jul 30 2010 07:46 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="bmfc1":2h09rufb]Ledger_NYMets Two fans storm the field waving Mexican flags. They are either protesting Arizona's immigration law or the misuse of Oliver Perez.[/quote:2h09rufb] LOL....

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 07:50 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

How I hate Castillo. Meanwhile, did you see the fan trip as they were going to commercial? http://yfrog.com/18jo0z

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 07:52 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

When do Mets pitchers start drilling the other teams? They're get hit and buzzed every night.

Ashie62 Jul 30 2010 08:05 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

If the Mets can't own Arizona on the road or at home this season is just noise from here on. Totally pathetic.

Fman99 Jul 30 2010 08:06 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="bmfc1":21o8jmki]Jerry, you are a moron. It was 2 out and the runner was on b/c of an error.[/quote:21o8jmki] Yep. Dumb shit abounds.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2010 08:13 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Yeah and if you guys saw Valdes giving up 4 runs before he got an out raise your hand. Pelfrey had 118 pitches and his performance hardly earned him the benefit of the doubt. Geezus, he's lucky to be going out with a no-decision. Now let's score some f'ing runs and stay in this race.

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 08:19 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

I didn't see Valdes screwing the pooch but I did think that it was a bad move at the time. Two outs, the runner was on because of an error and Pelfrey had just got the 2d out. Jerry should have let Pelfrey pitch to Kelly Johnson.

Fman99 Jul 30 2010 08:28 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

I hope Aaron Heilman remembers how to take a big shit on the mound in a Mets game in New York.

Fman99 Jul 30 2010 08:31 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

A hit! If Castillo bunts here I will poop on this area rug in my living room.

Ashie62 Jul 30 2010 08:39 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

And for all this, Manuel could have been canned on Monday and maybe the Mets also have some willingness to take on salary. What a flippin joke.

Rockin' Doc Jul 30 2010 08:40 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Quick, someone get the number for Stanley Steamer for Fman, because you know Jerry is practically assured to go for a sac bunt.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2010 08:41 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

If we can't beat the Dbaggs, there';s no help on the trade market for us. And as tempting as it is to kill Jerry for this, the fact that Pelfrey sucked again and Reyes again failed to make a play were much bigger factors tonight.

Ceetar Jul 30 2010 08:45 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2xueyppj]If we can't beat the Dbaggs, there';s no help on the trade market for us. And as tempting as it is to kill Jerry for this, the fact that Pelfrey sucked again and Reyes again failed to make a play were much bigger factors tonight.[/quote:2xueyppj] much bigger factors? Pelfrey didn't quite suck, he'd retired, sans error, 8 in a row, Reyes error was bad, but it was with the bases empty. Valdes sucked is where the blame is, and then Manuel for sticking with a guy against a lefty that a. let up two singles and a home run, and b. is better against righties, is what the biggest cause of this loss was.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2010 08:51 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Yes, MUCH bigger factors. As were the fact that we got what, 6 hits off this bad pitching staff and have now been shutout by a horrid Snakes' bullpen for like 10 straight innings at this point. I'm not the biggest Jerry fan in the world either but he's starting to be used as a crutch to explain all NYM problems. The players gotta play too.

Fman99 Jul 30 2010 09:06 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

0-4 against these fucktards in 2010. Zero. And. Four.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 30 2010 09:15 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Yeah. Let's all blame Jerry for the Mets giving up 9 runs to the D-Backs. It's so obvious that Pelf shoulda stayed in the game , being how goddamn dominant he was tonight and over the last four or five weeks, too. Me, I also blame Jerry for that Field Level plexiglass pane shattering. Let's not criticize Reyes, either. Reyes made a good error. That was a good error.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 30 2010 09:18 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="batmagadanleadoff":3ds7sxup]Yeah. Let's all blame Jerry for the Mets giving up 9 runs to the D-Backs. It's so obvious that Pelf shoulda stayed in the game , being how goddamn dominant he was tonight and over the last four or five weeks, too. Me, I also blame Jerry for that Field Level plexiglass pane shattering. Let's not criticize Reyes, either. Reyes made a good error. That was a good error.[/quote:3ds7sxup] Or even better: Why don't we blame Jerry for Reyes' error?

The Second Spitter Jul 30 2010 09:34 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

I'm with you batmag - if we're apportioning blame for the current Metsian sucktitude I would give Jerry no more than 15%. He's an easy target for reasons that are far too obvious.

Gwreck Jul 30 2010 09:35 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

I want Jerry gone as much as the next person but this was Valdes sucking, not Jerry over-managing. And what a sucking it was. I'm sure there have been worse relief outings but this was as bad as I can remember. Game also featured the longest David Wright homer I've ever seen. Was announced as 465 feet.

Gwreck Jul 30 2010 09:36 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="bmfc1":2sgzrpvi]I hope that her call is played on Sports Center. Also, it would be nice if the Mets found the ball, got DW to sign it, and gave it to her.[/quote:2sgzrpvi] Some douchebag ran out on to the batter's eye to pick up that ball (before getting tossed by security).

bmfc1 Jul 30 2010 09:37 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

The Mets were winning until Jerry took out Pelfrey. Yes, Reyes made a critical error (that's 2 easy plays this week that he should have had), yes Castillo sucks, yes Francoeur sucks, and yes Valdes was horrible, but we don't know what would have happened if Jerry had left Pelfrey in for one more batter in favor of someone who had warmed up 4X already. None of this excuses the players but they scored 6 runs tonight and might--MIGHT--have won if Jerry had done nothing. It kills me when a manager interjects himself into the game unnecessarily. But both points co-exist: the team is mediocre and I'm not excusing them.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 30 2010 09:44 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

And you don't know if Pelfrey wouldn't have given up the same home run, either. And if you say that the home run that Pelfrey supposedly would've given up would've been no worse than the one that Valdes did give up, well that would be hindsight. I haven't checked, but I suspect that Pelfrey, during his current streak of six straight bad starts, is pitching at a level that is statistically worse than any of six consecutive Ollie Perez starts. [quote="bmfc1":vbxvz9gh] None of this excuses the players but they scored 6 runs tonight and might--MIGHT--have won if Jerry had done nothing.[/quote:vbxvz9gh] They also might've won if they scored more runs. We should probably blame Jerry for that. [quote="bmfc1":vbxvz9gh]None of this excuses the players but they scored 6 runs tonight and might--MIGHT--have won if Jerry had done nothing. It kills me when a manager interjects himself into the game unnecessarily.[/quote:vbxvz9gh] They were winning, but only by one run. Pelf was allowing about a run per inning -- an improvement over his last few starts, but not much to instill the kind of confidence that would warrant leaving him in. Maybe if Pelf was pitching a shutout, I'da left him in. Because then, the Mets woulda been winning 5-0 instead of 5-4. Pelf ain't no Jerry Koosman.

Edgy DC Jul 30 2010 10:16 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Not that Pelfrey didn't stink, but I have no problem blaming Jerry. I'm bullpenned out. I can't see straight any more when he waves.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2010 06:12 AM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

This forum is going to its agenda too often.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 31 2010 06:32 AM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Obviously, then, you're against us.

Ceetar Jul 31 2010 06:43 AM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="batmagadanleadoff":36dhrgq1]Yeah. Let's all blame Jerry for the Mets giving up 9 runs to the D-Backs. It's so obvious that Pelf shoulda stayed in the game , being how goddamn dominant he was tonight and over the last four or five weeks, too. Me, I also blame Jerry for that Field Level plexiglass pane shattering. Let's not criticize Reyes, either. Reyes made a good error. That was a good error.[/quote:36dhrgq1] These things don't exist in a vacuum. Yes, Reyes' error was bad (but on the scale of horribleness of errors behind a guy that, btw, hasn't given up an unearned run all season, 1-base errors with 2-outs is about as good as you can get) but so was Jerry's managing. One led more directly to the game getting out of hand. Jerry is more easily replaceable as well. You'd be hard pressed to upgrade Reyes. even upgrading the bullpen is an iffy prospect, as you're always going to have a guy that's just not going to have it that one day bring it in. Whether it's Valdes, or Frankie, or whoever. Gotta know how to manage them. Same with the offense. It's been horrible most of the year, but there are times when they've struggled and battled. Wright tried to carry the team last night. By doing things like sticking with relievers too long, using Ollie instead of Frankie, playing for one run by bunting, bringing the infield in early in games...these are things that fail. sometimes you're offense struggles but the team is good enough to scrape together 1 more run than the opposition. Even if that's 2-1. You want more runs, but sometimes you gotta win with what you have. Jerry's not the cause of "all" the problems, but he just seems specifically wrong to manage a struggling team on the road. to manage a team that may play close games.

Rockin' Doc Jul 31 2010 07:30 AM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

Pelfrey wasn't exactly having a great game, but he had settled down and was holding the Dbacks in check after his shaky first inning. Pelfrey had retired, I believe 7 of the last 8 batters he had faced when Jerry pulled him. The lone exception being Kennedy reaching on Reyes' error. So it wasn't like Pelfrey was suddenly struggling. I think he was just as likely to retire Johnson and end the inning as was Valdes. I fault Manuel for seemingly always goes by the "book". I believe he replaced Pelfrey because Johnson was a lefthanded batter and he wanted to go by the book of lefty against lefty. I wonder if Manuel was aware that statistically there was no advantage to gain by the move since Johnson's average on the season is virtually identical against both lefties and righties, but his power numbers (HR rate and SLG) are significantly higher against left handers. I seriously doubt that Manuel (or Warthen) considered such stats before they simply made the automatic by the book move. My problem is that it is their job to know and consider such information before making a move. I just don't have confidence in Manuel's ability to get the best out of this team.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2010 07:35 AM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1jph9qmy]This forum is going to its agenda too often.[/quote:1jph9qmy]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 31 2010 07:45 AM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

If you're bringing in a guy to pitch specifically to the dangerous lefty, you might want to look at more than his handedness. Raul Valdes may be a good middle-relief piece to have, an okay last-resort pinch hitting option, and maybe even an okay emergency/spot starter... but he is no lefty-killer: Righties vs. Valdes: 122 PA, 5 XBH, .214/.328/.291 Lefties vs. Valdes: 67 PA, 12 XBH, .348/.358/.636

Edgy DC Jul 31 2010 08:34 AM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":hzhztdtr]This forum is going to its agenda too often.[/quote:hzhztdtr] I've certainly lost perspective here. I imagine I'll recover. Hopefully after the mets do. Think of my agenda as my Juan Nieve. Whatever effectiveness it had early, I've gone to it far too frequently, and like Jerry, I've rendered... UGH! I'm doing it again!

batmagadanleadoff Jul 31 2010 09:43 AM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="Ceetar":3kaposd2][quote="batmagadanleadoff":3kaposd2]Yeah. Let's all blame Jerry for the Mets giving up 9 runs to the D-Backs. It's so obvious that Pelf shoulda stayed in the game , being how goddamn dominant he was tonight and over the last four or five weeks, too. Me, I also blame Jerry for that Field Level plexiglass pane shattering. Let's not criticize Reyes, either. Reyes made a good error. That was a good error.[/quote:3kaposd2] 1-base errors with 2-outs is about as good as you can get)[/quote:3kaposd2] Jesus H. Christ. I make a snarky comment about how Reyes' error was a good error to mock all this scapegoating of Manuel and someone then actually follows up by characterizing Reyes' error as a good one to shift the blame on Jerry. Pelfrey had thrown about 120 pitches, and was on the mound for more than 30 minutes in the top half of the first. There was nothing wrong with yanking him. [quote="Ceetar":3kaposd2]These things don't exist in a vacuum. Yes, Reyes' error was bad (but on the scale of horribleness of errors behind a guy that, btw, hasn't given up an unearned run all season, 1-base errors with 2-outs is about as good as you can get) but so was Jerry's managing. One led more directly to the game getting out of hand. Jerry is more easily replaceable as well. You'd be hard pressed to upgrade Reyes. even upgrading the bullpen is an iffy prospect, as you're always going to have a guy that's just not going to have it that one day bring it in. Whether it's Valdes, or Frankie, or whoever. Gotta know how to manage them. Same with the offense. It's been horrible most of the year, but there are times when they've struggled and battled. Wright tried to carry the team last night. By doing things like sticking with relievers too long, using Ollie instead of Frankie, playing for one run by bunting, bringing the infield in early in games...these are things that fail. sometimes you're offense struggles but the team is good enough to scrape together 1 more run than the opposition. Even if that's 2-1. You want more runs, but sometimes you gotta win with what you have. Jerry's not the cause of "all" the problems, but he just seems specifically wrong to manage a struggling team on the road. to manage a team that may play close games.[/quote:3kaposd2] I have no idea what you're talking about. You seem to be saying that the pitching change was a tactical mistake because an all-star shortstop is harder to replace than a fair to middling manager. I could be mistaken.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 31 2010 05:34 PM Re: IGT 7/30/10 Mets vs. Slitherin - revenge sweep time

[quote="Ceetar":3i1w5fyw][quote="batmagadanleadoff":3i1w5fyw]Yeah. Let's all blame Jerry for the Mets giving up 9 runs to the D-Backs. It's so obvious that Pelf shoulda stayed in the game , being how goddamn dominant he was tonight and over the last four or five weeks, too. Me, I also blame Jerry for that Field Level plexiglass pane shattering. Let's not criticize Reyes, either. Reyes made a good error. That was a good error.[/quote:3i1w5fyw] These things don't exist in a vacuum. Yes, Reyes' error was bad (but on the scale of horribleness of errors behind a guy that, btw, hasn't given up an unearned run all season, 1-base errors with 2-outs is about as good as you can get) but so was Jerry's managing. One led more directly to the game getting out of hand.... Wright tried to carry the team last night....[/quote:3i1w5fyw] I don't think that Wright was trying to carry the team last night. I think that Wright was only trying to do the same he tries to do in every game -- have good at bats. And last night, Wright had good at bats. But why give Wright any of the credit for the two homers he hit? All Wright did was hit them. But he couldn't of hit them if Manuel didn't decide to play Wright. And Wright couldn't have driven in five runs unless Jerry knew precisely where to put Wright in the batting order. And if Jerry mistakenly told Wright that last night's game was a road game, Wright would've been on an airplane to Phoenix when Jerry was making out the lineup ... Wright would not have gotten back to New York in time to hit those two home runs that Jerry, and only Jerry, made possible. So let's give Jerry all of the credit for Wright's home runs. Because without the two home runs that Jerry blasted, the score would've been 4-0 D-Backs when Pelf was removed, and then what would you complain about?