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IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Fman99 Aug 24 2010 05:51 AM

Josh Johnson v. R.A. Dickey.

G-Fafif Aug 24 2010 06:40 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Johnson. Dickey. And Fman lets them both just hang there.

Ceetar Aug 24 2010 08:14 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

speaking of which, I appear to have an extra (free) ticket to tonight's game if someone's interested..

Fman99 Aug 24 2010 10:26 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="G-Fafif":2cgh6s37]Johnson. Dickey. And Fman lets them both just hang there.[/quote:2cgh6s37] I know, you don't have to be cocky about it.

Ceetar Aug 24 2010 12:48 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

7 Jose Reyes SS 16 Angel Pagan LF 15 Carlos Beltran CF 5 David Wright 3B 29 Ike Davis 1B 12 Jeff Francoeur RF 30 Josh Thole C 11 Ruben Tejada 2B 43 R.A. Dickey RHP

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2010 12:55 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 24 2010 01:01 PM

If you want to win now, you maybe play the hot hand in Carter. If you want to see what you've got, you maybe send Feliciano and/or Hessman back down, and bring up Lutz. If you're Jerry, you play Frenchy and chuckle. OE: Meant "Duda," not "Lutz."

Ceetar Aug 24 2010 12:59 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":2fdkn8fc]If you want to win now, you maybe play the hot hand in Carter. If you want to see what you've got, you maybe send Feliciano and/or Hessman back down, and bring up Lutz. If you're Jerry, you play Frenchy and chuckle.[/quote:2fdkn8fc] I wish beat writers would question why he's playing Francoeur

Ceetar Aug 24 2010 01:28 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

As for lineup construction.. I've really been thinking the Mets should explore having someone that gets on base batting in front of Reyes, whether that's 9th or 1st. He's been the best hitter for a while now, and he has two automatic outs in front of him. Wouldn't Castillo 9th score some more runs?

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2010 01:54 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Ceetar"]As for lineup construction.. I've really been thinking the Mets should explore having someone that gets on base batting in front of Reyes, whether that's 9th or 1st. He's been the best hitter for a while now, and he has two automatic outs in front of him. Wouldn't Castillo 9th score some more runs?

That also could be construed as an argument for why Reyes might be better off hitting somewhere other than leadoff.
But, since we all know that the brief trail with him hitting #3 earlier in the season PROVED him to be incapable of doing so, he's crazy-glued to the top spot for all of eternity.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 24 2010 01:58 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Frenchy and Tejada, poor Dickey.

Ceetar Aug 24 2010 02:01 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Frayed Knot"][quote="Ceetar"]As for lineup construction.. I've really been thinking the Mets should explore having someone that gets on base batting in front of Reyes, whether that's 9th or 1st. He's been the best hitter for a while now, and he has two automatic outs in front of him. Wouldn't Castillo 9th score some more runs?

That also could be construed as an argument for why Reyes might be better off hitting somewhere other than leadoff.
But, since we all know that the brief trail with him hitting #3 earlier in the season PROVED him to be incapable of doing so, he's crazy-glued to the top spot for all of eternity.

I could see Manuel batting someone 9th before he'd move Reyes second or third.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 24 2010 02:39 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

if Frenchy's in, I'm out.

Ceetar Aug 24 2010 02:44 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="batmagadanleadoff":2tqhxvm8]if Frenchy's in, I'm out.[/quote:2tqhxvm8] Want me to throw something at him? Hmm..suddenly I'm missing Shea's stale pretzels..

batmagadanleadoff Aug 24 2010 02:51 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Ceetar"][quote="batmagadanleadoff"]if Frenchy's in, I'm out.

Want me to throw something at him? Hmm..suddenly I'm missing Shea's stale pretzels..

See if you can hit Frenchy on the head with a copy of the How to Hit Like Ted Williams book. I'd settle for How to Hit Like Daniel Murphy -- even that would be a major improvement.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 24 2010 02:54 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I wondered if perhaps, Fracnoeur has his well against Josh Johnson in the past. Nope. Frenchy vs. Josh: .269/.286/.269 0 HR's, 8 K's in 26 AB's.

Ceetar Aug 24 2010 02:56 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="batmagadanleadoff":j74hl4fw]I wondered if perhaps, Fracnoeur has his well against Josh Johnson in the past. Nope. Frenchy vs. Josh: .269/.286/.269 0 HR's, 8 K's in 26 AB's.[/quote:j74hl4fw] Thanks to the Marlins gameday notes, I know that Nick Evans is 0/2 and Murphy is 4/14. Frenchy's numbers look pretty standard. And since it's assumed Manuel thinks he's a good player normally.. My guess is he's predicting a 2-1 game and wants the defense.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 06:13 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I've been away. I see that Tejada is still grabbing PT. And Francoeur. Mercy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2010 06:24 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

These two-out, nobody-on issues Johnson's having have to be frustrating for those 15 or so diehard Marlin fans.

Zvon Aug 24 2010 06:31 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

LETS

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 06:34 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

One thing I'd like to see HoJo teach Wright is to spin around before his throws on those plays where he cuts the ball off in front of the shortstop and is facing right center. Wow, bad defense by the Marlins. Year after year. GO

Zvon Aug 24 2010 06:36 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Yea Maybin. You dive for the ones you don't have to dive for and you let the ones you should get to routinely go by. You keep doing that. Beltran comes through!

themetfairy Aug 24 2010 06:37 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

3-2 Mets in the 5th. Let it rain!

Zvon Aug 24 2010 06:39 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I'm just asking for consistency Maybin. You have no business playing that Wright single nicely.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2010 06:40 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Jabs, jabs, jabs have gotten the Mets a lead. A left hook, though, would be nice here.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2010 06:42 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Ike's looking a bit like a tall, white Castillo the last few weeks.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 06:43 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

There's been some bad calls against Ike off the outside corner. But he's got to protect against that.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 06:43 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Frency is Monsieur SacFly.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 06:46 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I kind of want to send Wright there. He's pretty much doomed, but with Tejada and Dickey coming up, I think you force them to make the throw and tag.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2010 06:47 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Walking Tejada with two out? Really? (And yeah, I would have sent Mr. Rye, too.)

Zvon Aug 24 2010 06:50 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":1a4o804c]Ike's looking a bit like a tall, white Castillo the last few weeks.[/quote:1a4o804c] Ouch. Ike has to decide what his strike zone is going to be and stick to it. He has some good reach. Can't go by the umps. Frenchy with 2 sac flies. That first sac fly was a very nice at-bat. Tejada with a nice diving catch (not sure if that was an important factor being late in, but it is here on the MLB.TV replay. Very nice grab). So what do we know? Baseball is so wacky. Man, Dickeys balls are moving tonight.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 07:03 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I'm not as impressed as Darling is with Sanches. I think he's looking like a lesser Josh Johnson.

bmfc1 Aug 24 2010 07:11 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

How long do you think David to lift his eyebrows, say the line, and then take a step, and say another line? An hour? Hours?

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 07:16 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Tejada hiccuping costs the Mets a DP.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 07:20 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Two-out blues.

Kong76 Aug 24 2010 07:20 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Ramirez 'not' picked off at first ... it always comes back when the umps blow a call ...

themetfairy Aug 24 2010 07:21 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Fuckshit!

Zvon Aug 24 2010 07:21 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

ugh

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2010 07:23 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Hanley should have been out twice -- first time on Tejada's hesitation and then again on the phantom pick-off. If EITHER of those happens then the 3R HR doesn't.

Zvon Aug 24 2010 07:25 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Frayed Knot":9bsc7224]Hanley should have been out twice -- first time on Tejada's hesitation and then again on the phantom pick-off. If EITHER of those happens then the 3R HR doesn't.[/quote:9bsc7224] yup

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2010 07:26 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC":2hq3xlvu]There's been some bad calls against Ike off the outside corner. But he's got to protect against that.[/quote:2hq3xlvu] His first strikeout was a legit strike 3. He got hosed on his second K. Of course hitting the ball out of the IF every once in a while might help things a bit and not leave things up to Mr. Blue.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 07:27 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Swapping out Tejada an inning too late.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 07:29 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Frayed Knot":zlbcty5t][quote="Edgy DC":zlbcty5t]There's been some bad calls against Ike off the outside corner. But he's got to protect against that.[/quote:zlbcty5t] His first strikeout was a legit strike 3. He got hosed on his second K. Of course hitting the ball out of the IF every once in a while might help things a bit and not leave things up to Mr. Blue.[/quote:zlbcty5t] Gameday and my eyeballs say that all three strikes the first time were outside, but the first two moreso.

Kong76 Aug 24 2010 07:30 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Frayed Knot":10knas87][quote="Edgy DC":10knas87]There's been some bad calls against Ike off the outside corner. But he's got to protect against that.[/quote:10knas87] His first strikeout was a legit strike 3. He got hosed on his second K. Of course hitting the ball out of the IF every once in a while might help things a bit and not leave things up to Mr. Blue.[/quote:10knas87] The booth also comments that he'd be better off not shaking his head and with body language ... he is a rook ... our rook o' the year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 24 2010 07:32 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Eh. Niese is having a better rookie season.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 07:33 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Gary Cohen: "If Parnell is going to get a chance to close, he has to first prove he can be an effective pitcher in the eighth, because he's had a chance to do that and he hasn't thrived." Edgy DC: "He has so shown hee can be an effective pitcher in the eighth. He just hasn't shown he can do it night after night after night."

attgig Aug 24 2010 07:40 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

this is pretty depressing... anyone else feel deflated?

attgig Aug 24 2010 07:41 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

everything that could've gone right went right, until the 7th...

Zvon Aug 24 2010 07:42 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I did catch the Marlins third earlier tonight and: 1)Frenchy in right did keep Ramirez from trying to score (but he scored on the sac right after) 2)On Frenchys throw home (the one where Hanley held) did anyone else think Thole had Morrison moving up to 2nd? I thought if he did not hesitate and fired to 2nd Morrison was a dead duck. 3) Ike closed that inning looking at a called strike that was, imo, a strike :( [quote="attgig":gvn09244]this is pretty depressing... anyone else feel deflated?[/quote:gvn09244] I wish I could say I didn't. We need a comeback pickMeUp.

Zvon Aug 24 2010 07:44 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

YEA ANGEL! MAKE IT HAPPEN!

attgig Aug 24 2010 07:44 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Zvon":nozfm4pn] [quote="attgig":nozfm4pn]this is pretty depressing... anyone else feel deflated?[/quote:nozfm4pn] I wish I could say I didn't. We need a comeback pickMeUp.[/quote:nozfm4pn] let it start NOW....

attgig Aug 24 2010 07:47 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

YEAH!!!!! TIED UP.

Zvon Aug 24 2010 07:47 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

YEAA! Clutch 2 strike single by Beltran. Big.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 07:48 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Two-out rallies. There's a thought.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2010 07:49 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

If they go ahead here I want to see Parnell still in there. Marlins have a RH-heavy lineup and there's no point - other than having a designated closer - to switch up. oe: Oh well, I wanna see him still in there anyway.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 07:50 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

By the way... stick with Parnell next inning until/unless he gets in trouble. Just a McThought. FK beats me to the punch.

Zvon Aug 24 2010 07:51 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Ughh. Tuff pitch to take but I don't know if anyone could have done anything with that one. You see David smile? He was like: aww shit he got me good.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 07:53 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Hisanori Takahashi takes the mound.

Kong76 Aug 24 2010 07:53 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3pnd0cjh]Eh. Niese is having a better rookie season.[/quote:3pnd0cjh] Feh, they ain't giving it to a Mets pitcher. The Mets could use crazy Ike September. If they can't ... I sure could.

Zvon Aug 24 2010 07:54 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Shit. I also thought we shud have had Parnell for 2. But its Tak for the 9th.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2010 07:54 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

They're not giving it to Ike either. Funny rally, that one-- Pagan only got the double there because they were playing "no-doubles."

Zvon Aug 24 2010 07:57 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"] Funny rally, that one-- Pagan only got the double there because they were playing "no-doubles."

its such a wacky game.

OH!
Henley was out!
UGH, ball beat him but Reyes didnt tag him.

Kong76 Aug 24 2010 07:58 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":2c6ngnda]They're not giving it to Ike either.[/quote:2c6ngnda] Bzzzzzkill

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2010 07:59 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Pagan only got the double there because they were playing "no-doubles."

Hanley also to some degree.

Zvon Aug 24 2010 08:00 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Buckethead says Ike will end it right here.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2010 08:00 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Well, I sure hope we win it here (with the weak part of the lineup due up) because, if not, we're down our two supposed best relievers before extras even start.

Kong76 Aug 24 2010 08:03 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

. [bigpurple:3dpauche]IKE!!![/bigpurple:3dpauche]

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2010 08:04 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

OK, that's a start. I don't run for Ike ... at lest not yet.

Zvon Aug 24 2010 08:05 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I think Ike would have been out if Sanchez caught that. Uggla hurts his ass bone. Awwww.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2010 08:06 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Oh Man ... this pitcher's having trouble finding the plate

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2010 08:07 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 24 2010 08:09 PM

How exactly as a professional baseball player do you miss a 3-1 fastball down the middle from an opposite-handed pitcher completely?

Zvon Aug 24 2010 08:08 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Ugh, Throb hits a 3 run dinger for the Dodgers. COME ON FRENCHY!

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 08:10 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]How exactly as a professional baseball player do you miss a 3-1 fastball down the middle from an opposite-handed pitcher completely?

Overswinging, trying to hit it to Pittsburgh.

OE: Darling y Cohen nonetheless praising that at-bat to the skies.

Zvon Aug 24 2010 08:11 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I love watching Thole hit. Hessman can be a hero.

Zvon Aug 24 2010 08:11 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC"][quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]How exactly as a professional baseball player do you miss a 3-1 fastball down the middle from an opposite-handed pitcher completely?

Overswinging, trying to hit it to Pittsburgh.


Bingo.

Zvon Aug 24 2010 08:14 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Nice pitch gets Hessman. Slap one Luis.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2010 08:14 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 24 2010 08:15 PM

LOOOOOIE! I forgot we could do that.

Kong76 Aug 24 2010 08:15 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I tried to explain who Hessman was to KB and why he's here ... I gave up.

attgig Aug 24 2010 08:15 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

holy crap... it actually happened!

Zvon Aug 24 2010 08:15 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2010 08:15 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

LUIS LUIS LUIS LU-EEEEEEE LUIS LUIS LUIS LU-IIIIIIIII LUIS LUIS LUIS LU-EEEEEE LUIS LUIS I'M GONNA CRY

Kong76 Aug 24 2010 08:15 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 24 2010 08:16 PM

. [bigpurple:1jpnbiws]IKE!![/bigpurple:1jpnbiws]

attgig Aug 24 2010 08:16 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

wow. castillo looking so cool after he did it. like he's done it a million times before...or like he didn't care at all...

metsmarathon Aug 24 2010 08:16 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

nice butt-patt of the home plate ump by davis after scoring the winning run.

attgig Aug 24 2010 08:17 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

and a courtesy shoutout goes to mike stanton who made a horrible throw. accurate throw gets him out....

Zvon Aug 24 2010 08:18 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

The way that was hit and then fielded so quickly I was very very surprised Ike was going. But that's how you make things happen. Sweet victory.

Frayed Knot Aug 24 2010 08:18 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="attgig":2zeq8oqb]and a courtesy shoutout goes to mike stanton who made a horrible throw. accurate throw gets him out....[/quote:2zeq8oqb] Twice in the game he had chances and opted for air-mail instead.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 08:19 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Wow! After Davis scored, he slapped the ump on the butt. How about in celebration of this win, we give Luis his old job back? Please?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2010 08:28 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC":24rl22xd]Wow! After Davis scored, he slapped the ump on the butt. How about in celebration of this win, we give Luis his old job back? Please?[/quote:24rl22xd] He's actually a nice weapon off the bench, too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 24 2010 08:33 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

How great is Angel Pagan?

bmfc1 Aug 24 2010 08:48 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":30emd58x]How great is Angel Pagan?[/quote:30emd58x] For all I've said about his lack of baseball instincts, he showed great instincts with that 8th inning double.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 09:07 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2x88y70t]How great is Angel Pagan?[/quote:2x88y70t] PotG from me.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 09:08 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":30f4mhr5][quote="Edgy DC":30f4mhr5]Wow! After Davis scored, he slapped the ump on the butt. How about in celebration of this win, we give Luis his old job back? Please?[/quote:30f4mhr5] He's actually a nice weapon off the bench, too.[/quote:30f4mhr5] When he's in the lineup, he's needed a lot less of the bench.

Ceetar Aug 24 2010 09:34 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1v55lhyp]How great is Angel Pagan?[/quote:1v55lhyp] If the Mets didn't close down all the shops in the 8th inning, I would've promptly walked into one and bought a jersey.

Edgy DC Aug 24 2010 10:39 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Know what's cool? When the team you're rooting against ties the game with two out in the ninth, only to lose in 16th. Because that's what the Phils did. And thanks to Luis Castillo, the Mets gain a game on the entire division, and pass Florida in the Wild Card standings. Teams to root for tomorrow: [list:vosgesux][*:vosgesux]Milwaukee (beat them Dodgers!)[/*:m:vosgesux] [*:vosgesux]Pittsburgh (beat them Cards!)[/*:m:vosgesux] [*:vosgesux]Cincinnati (beat them Giants!)[/*:m:vosgesux] [*:vosgesux]Houston (beat them Phils!)[/*:m:vosgesux] [*:vosgesux]Mets (beat the world!)[/*:m:vosgesux][/list:u:vosgesux] One game (Atlanta-Colorado) features two teams the Mets would like to catch.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 24 2010 10:44 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC":3kbio026] One game (Atlanta-Colorado) features two teams the Mets would like to catch.[/quote:3kbio026] Who would you prefer to win that one?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 24 2010 11:24 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 25 2010 12:46 AM

The smart play is to root for Atlanta there. I'm not sure my heart's in the smart play, though. [quote="Edgy DC"]Know what's cool? When the team you're rooting against ties the game with two out in the ninth, only to lose in 16th. Because that's what the Phils did.

They did it in funky fashion, too. Howard struck out swinging with Utley and Polanco on 2nd and 3rd, respectively, on a questionable appeal to third base umpire/[crossout]crew chief[/crossout]minor-league replacement ump Scott Barry. Ross Gload-- currently on the DL-- said something that got him an early shower ticket. As Uncle Cholly had emptied his bench at that point, Ibanez ended up moving to first, with Roy Oswalt taking over in left.

Oswalt stayed in for the final two innings, and ended up coming up with the tying runs on and two out. He grounded out to end the game.

* If it wasn't, "I'm terrible at this baseball sport on this particular evening," it was inaccurate and besides the point; he went 0-7 with 5 Ks for the game.

G-Fafif Aug 24 2010 11:33 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC":3c96mw6p]Wow! After Davis scored, he slapped the ump on the butt.[/quote:3c96mw6p] All three hits in the inning were slapped, so why not Chad Fairchild's ass?

Fman99 Aug 25 2010 04:23 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="attgig":f2i7eebb]wow. castillo looking so cool after he did it. like he's done it a million times before...or like he didn't care at all...[/quote:f2i7eebb] I noticed this too -- my thought was that he was pouting because he isn't playing every day, even pouting more so because he finally got a timely hit. I don't know, I'm pre-programmed to assume the worst with Castillo I guess.

bmfc1 Aug 25 2010 04:54 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Yes, he was pouting. Jerk: "I'm in a hard situation here," Castillo said. ... Asked before the game how things were going, Castillo replied, "Not good, man. I don't play so much. I like to play. It's hard sometimes when you've played every day for 14 years and things change so quick. I hope I can play more and try to do better. "But that's not my decision. They make that decision and I have to respect the decision. But I don't say that I agree with it." After this season, Castillo still has one more year remaining on the four-year, $25 million deal he signed before the 2008 season. Some critics point to his contract as one of the failures of the Met front office, but, as Castillo points out, he played well last year, batting .302 with a .387 on-base percentage. He's hitting only .238 this year with a .336 on-base percentage. "Sometimes you have a bad year, but last year, I didn't have a bad year," Castillo said. "But this year, I only have like 200 at-bats (actually 210). I think I can play more. I've prepared this year, physically, better and I thought I'd have a good year." http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... _marl.html

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 25 2010 05:07 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I totally see where Castillo is coming from; I'd be frustrated too. He is definitely a guy with limited value and should be vulnerable to being replaced, especially when the rest of the hitters aren't getting the job done, but I'm not sure I understand the move to Tejada who obviously isn't ready, while they seem almost comically reluctant to make the same leap with Carter/FRancoeur. And Francoeur doesn't have a contract to return next year! All that said, I wouldn't mind Castillo as a backup to a second baseman who could hit some -- again, limited defensive value but a guy who switch hits, can bunt and reach base at a good clip is not the worst thing to have on a bench. And so maybe this move is a weird end-around to his role backing up Reese "High-Flyin' Bird" Havens next year, though I doubt the Mets are that forward-thinking.

metirish Aug 25 2010 06:15 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Regardless of how much money he makes coupled with his "it's hard to be here " comment I can see why he's frustrated, it's not like he got benched for Honus Wagner.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2010 06:42 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]The smart play is to root for Atlanta there. I'm not sure my heart's in the smart play, though. [quote="Edgy DC"]Know what's cool? When the team you're rooting against ties the game with two out in the ninth, only to lose in 16th. Because that's what the Phils did.

They did it in funky fashion, too. Howard struck out swinging with Utley and Polanco on 2nd and 3rd, respectively, on a questionable appeal to third base umpire/[crossout]crew chief[/crossout]minor-league replacement ump Scott Barry. Ross Gload-- currently on the DL-- said something that got him an early shower ticket. As Uncle Cholly had emptied his bench at that point, Ibanez ended up moving to first, with Roy Oswalt taking over in left.

Oswalt stayed in for the final two innings, and ended up coming up with the tying runs on and two out. He grounded out to end the game.



You could tell that ump was tired by that point and spoiling for a fight - but it's still inexcusable what he did IMO.
First check swing was the right call (couldn't tell about the 2nd) but Howard did nothing more than put his hands on his hips and stare before the ump mocked him by doing the same. By the second call Howard wasn't even looking at him as he was getting tossed.
I can't believe a fill-in ump would be that brazen.

It could have been worse for Philly. At least Jayson Werth didn't get picked off of 2nd during an intentional walk like he did last week.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2010 06:47 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

btw, ESPN caught something (in between monitoring OchoCinco's tweets of course) that I don't think anyone on last night's broadcast did. When Hanley ran across the mound following an out (Gary & Ron talked about it briefly) he also kicked at the NYM logo that's scratched into the dirt so as to partially erase it. It was during his next AB that Dickey came up and in on him (well, sort of - headhunting with a knuckleball is like bringing a spoon to a knife fight). It didn't occur to me at the time that it was anything more than coincidental but now I'm not so sure.

Ceetar Aug 25 2010 06:52 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Frayed Knot":1m6xkumw]btw, ESPN caught something (in between monitoring OchoCinco's tweets of course) that I don't think anyone on last night's broadcast did. When Hanley ran across the mound following an out (Gary & Ron talked about it briefly) he also kicked at the NYM logo that's scratched into the dirt so as to partially erase it. It was during his next AB that Dickey came up and in on him (well, sort of - headhunting with a knuckleball is like bringing a spoon to a knife fight). It didn't occur to me at the time that it was anything more than coincidental but now I'm not so sure.[/quote:1m6xkumw] That's interesting. Hanley's such a punk. My take is that he wants to be a Met, and is jealous of NY. (Like how in the 9th he hustled for a double like Pagan did the inning before? Think he does that if Pagan doesn't? I was there so didn't see the replay, but Frenchy definitely almost threw him out)

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2010 07:21 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Hanley definitely has a thing for the Mets (love/hate or just hate, I'm not sure) but he's also been a punk going back to his minor league days so it's not all NYC-driven. Plus, alternately between hustle and not isn't exactly a new thing for him either. He was just safe at that play at 2nd - although for a moment there I was thinking it was the 3rd time in the game he deserved to be thrown out on the bases.

Ceetar Aug 25 2010 07:27 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 25 2010 08:50 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Is that MilanoWear? While I can understand Castillo's frustrations, it's just plain weird to me that someone who claims to love the game so much wouldn't take a little bit of momentary joy in winning the game.

Ceetar Aug 25 2010 09:32 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]Is that MilanoWear? While I can understand Castillo's frustrations, it's just plain weird to me that someone who claims to love the game so much wouldn't take a little bit of momentary joy in winning the game.

Castillo's never been a very demonstrative guy. *shrug*

Not sure if it's Milano or Pink..

Edgy DC Aug 25 2010 10:16 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="batmagadanleadoff":3cico65r][quote="Edgy DC":3cico65r] One game (Atlanta-Colorado) features two teams the Mets would like to catch.[/quote:3cico65r] Who would you prefer to win that one?[/quote:3cico65r] I'm just glad there's only one conflict of interest.

Edgy DC Aug 25 2010 10:21 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="bmfc1":17pt8n60]Yes, he was pouting. Jerk: "I'm in a hard situation here," Castillo said. ... Asked before the game how things were going, Castillo replied, "Not good, man. I don't play so much. I like to play. It's hard sometimes when you've played every day for 14 years and things change so quick. I hope I can play more and try to do better. "But that's not my decision. They make that decision and I have to respect the decision. But I don't say that I agree with it." After this season, Castillo still has one more year remaining on the four-year, $25 million deal he signed before the 2008 season. Some critics point to his contract as one of the failures of the Met front office, but, as Castillo points out, he played well last year, batting .302 with a .387 on-base percentage. He's hitting only .238 this year with a .336 on-base percentage. "Sometimes you have a bad year, but last year, I didn't have a bad year," Castillo said. "But this year, I only have like 200 at-bats (actually 210). I think I can play more. I've prepared this year, physically, better and I thought I'd have a good year."[/quote:17pt8n60] I don't see anything jerky there. He was asked; he answered; and he was ready to play despite his frustration. He accepts the authority of those responsible for his fate, but he can't be expected to celeebrate that fate. The Mets are hurting themselves with Tejada and we all deserve better. He's like 20 years old, so it's not like it's crucial for him to get a load of MLB experience right now. I think we've seen that when Jerry makes up his mind about a player in the negative, it's a depressing place for that player to be.

bmfc1 Aug 25 2010 10:44 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

"I don't see anything jerky there. He was asked; he answered; and he was ready to play despite his frustration. He accepts the authority of those responsible for his fate, but he can't be expected to celebrate that fate." Castillo has $25M reasons to shut his yap. He's under performed and is one of the reasons why the GM may be fired. If he was hitting .300, maybe he could bitch but he's not. He is fat, lazy, takes 2-0 and 3-1 pitches no matter what the situation is and who is batting behind him, and if management wants to play Tejada, who is a far superior defender, then that's their decision whether or not he concurs. Further, even if he's not "celebrating his fate", at a time when the team won a game in thrilling fashion, he should have been selfless and thought of the team and the fans that were celebrating the win instead of himself but he is apparently incapable of such behavior.

metsmarathon Aug 25 2010 10:59 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

in my wallet right now, i have 37 reasons to shut my yap. my pockets contain another sixty-two one-hundredths of a reason.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 25 2010 11:08 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

A mere 7 and 36/100 yapshutters in mine pocket. Which is why I can't stop posting (and why I'll be burning torches on mm's lawn when the revolution comes).

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 25 2010 11:12 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I have 31 shut-yer-faces. edit -- 36!

batmagadanleadoff Aug 25 2010 11:22 AM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

For the first time this season, R.A. Dickey has enough innings pitched to qualify for league ERA champ:

Edgy DC Aug 25 2010 12:34 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I'm making nothing and I think Castillo should play more. I don't see what his salary has to do with it. What would any of us say if asked about how we feel about being benched in favor of a player that's clearly performed more poorly? I'd say I'm disappointed.

metsmarathon Aug 25 2010 01:04 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

aren't we always complaining about hte athlete who gets his money and then packs it in and stops caring or trying or bothering, since he's 'getting paid'? the athlete who'd seemingly be quite content to merely ride the bench between trips to the bank to check on his ever-increasing balance? ollie perez, for instance. here we have luis castillo. who could be perfectly content to just sit there on the bench and collect his paycheck and do nothing to earn it. motherfucker wants to play. the nerve.

bmfc1 Aug 25 2010 01:17 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

You guys are condoning a player on your team bitching while the season goes down the tubes. Yes, he wants to play more but say it in private. What ever happened to putting the team first?

metirish Aug 25 2010 01:22 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="bmfc1":3rk6d1kj]You guys are condoning a player on your team bitching while the season goes down the tubes. Yes, he wants to play more but say it in private. What ever happened to putting the team first?[/quote:3rk6d1kj] Luis is having his closed door meeting with Jerry at a later date. No reason for him to say it in private when his manager says it in public.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 25 2010 01:27 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I just think it was odd that the guy doesn't have a momentary smile-- or, hell, a barbaric yawp, or the Castillo version of same-- for having made 20,000 fans* roar and his teammates jump up and down like brain-damaged monkeyboys. *Cockeyed optimist, I am.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 25 2010 01:28 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="bmfc1":ud3z67jt]You guys are condoning a player on your team bitching while the season goes down the tubes. Yes, he wants to play more but say it in private. What ever happened to putting the team first?[/quote:ud3z67jt] Geez.

Edgy DC Aug 25 2010 01:34 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="bmfc1":30suekhf]You guys are condoning a player on your team bitching while the season goes down the tubes.[/quote:30suekhf] No I'm not. I don't see him bitching. He was asked and he answered. [quote="bmfc1":30suekhf]Yes, he wants to play more but say it in private. What ever happened to putting the team first?[/quote:30suekhf] He was asked if he wants to play more, and he said yes. As he's the better-performing player, I think that is putting the team first. I'm advocating for him to play more, also, and I think that's putting the team first. I'm condoning a guy standing up and defying the notion of the season going down the tubes, which is exactly what he did with his bat last night.

bmfc1 Aug 25 2010 01:39 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I'm floored by the reaction to a bad player--featured in every montage of Mets embarrassing moments--putting himself before the team, especially at a rare moment of joy. Just because he was asked doesn't mean he has to say what's on his mind and embarrass his employer even if they deserve it. Castillo should be on his knees (interpret that however you want) thanking Omar for paying him too much money for too long a period of time. Good for him that he wants to play more. If he hit .300, maybe he would.

Ceetar Aug 25 2010 01:47 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="bmfc1":fckxolvo]I'm floored by the reaction to a bad player--featured in every montage of Mets embarrassing moments--putting himself before the team, especially at a rare moment of joy. Just because he was asked doesn't mean he has to say what's on his mind and embarrass his employer even if they deserve it. Castillo should be on his knees (interpret that however you want) thanking Omar for paying him too much money for too long a period of time. Good for him that he wants to play more. If he hit .300, maybe he would.[/quote:fckxolvo] He hit .300 last year. He went down with an injury, one likely not related to 'breaking down', and was rushed back, started to get hot, and was benched. He's had more hits in the last 18 hours than Ruben has had in two months. He's been subjected to "My team wants to trade me" rumors for years. The fans hate him, mainly for one error and a lack of home runs, and he knows the team will explore every possible option to make sure he's not here.

G-Fafif Aug 25 2010 02:24 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Maybe Castillo's been so down about his lack of playing time that when he got his hit he didn't realize he'd won the game.

Edgy DC Aug 25 2010 02:27 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="bmfc1":1dh3inol]I'm floored by the reaction to a bad player--featured in every montage of Mets embarrassing moments--putting himself before the team, especially at a rare moment of joy.[/quote:1dh3inol] I don't get it. There are four non-facts --- or opinions stated as fact --- there. When Castilo got five hits in three games, and the Mets announced they were releasing Alex Cora, I took it as a sign that they had accepted that Castillo was healthy enough to play regularly and that any loss of skill in switching from Cora to Tejada would be largely lost in Tejada's far lesser playing time --- so why not save money on that option. But instead Tejada was elevated to starting position he hasn't earned. And he and the team have floundered. Since his callup, he has hit .026. .026! Who wouldn't be frustrated?

Ceetar Aug 25 2010 02:42 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="Edgy DC":3gkbzewd][quote="bmfc1":3gkbzewd]I'm floored by the reaction to a bad player--featured in every montage of Mets embarrassing moments--putting himself before the team, especially at a rare moment of joy.[/quote:3gkbzewd] I don't get it. There are four non-facts --- or opinions stated as fact --- there. When Castilo got five hits in three games, and the Mets announced they were releasing Alex Cora, I took it as a sign that they had accepted that Castillo was healthy enough to play regularly and that any loss of skill in switching from Cora to Tejada would be largely lost in Tejada's far lesser playing time --- so why not save money on that option. But instead Tejada was elevated to starting position he hasn't earned. And he and the team have floundered. Since his callup, he has hit .026. .026! Who wouldn't be frustrated?[/quote:3gkbzewd] There's precedent. After September 23rd, 2008, during the most important part of the season, Manuel chose to play Argenis Reyes and Ramon Martinez, except for 1 AB, the rest of the way.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 25 2010 02:44 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="G-Fafif":230n7j86]Maybe Castillo's been so down about his lack of playing time that when he got his hit he didn't realize he'd won the game.[/quote:230n7j86] Clinical depression, obviously. A DL stint for Mr. Castillo, a plane ticket for Mr. Satin.

metsmarathon Aug 25 2010 02:50 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

he's a villain, and he can do no right. as he's rounding first base, the thought probably crosses his mind that he's still going to be riding the bench to start the next game. and if he does make it into the batters box, the fans will likely still boo him. but no. he should've have pushed aside any thoughts regarding his own personal pride and his struggles to achieve, and whipped out his wallet, counted some bills, and smiled 26 million times, right? oh wait. no. he should care about the team winning. except in those instances where the team winning would be helped by his playing. in which case he should care about his money. which is why he's hurting the team. if only he were a robot, like all the other millionaires.

G-Fafif Aug 25 2010 02:55 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"][quote="G-Fafif"]Maybe Castillo's been so down about his lack of playing time that when he got his hit he didn't realize he'd won the game.

Clinical depression, obviously. A DL stint for Mr. Castillo, a plane ticket for Mr. Satin.

He's either super stoic or super detached or super mopey.

A few weeks ago, I wrote something to the effect of if I were managing, I'd tell Tejada he's my second baseman even he's batting .000. I didn't realize he'd almost literally take me up on it. Nevertheless, I like him at second base and will believe he's getting a clue at bat because he hasn't looked irredeemably horrible, just not quite there yet.

Luis? Shave the mustache, give him a red wig and some lifts in his shoes, and I could swear I'm looking at our new Rusty.

Ceetar Aug 25 2010 02:56 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="metsmarathon":1s6z0w3r]he's a villain, and he can do no right. as he's rounding first base, the thought probably crosses his mind that he's still going to be riding the bench to start the next game. [/quote:1s6z0w3r] It's alright though. We know the players all love to play for Manuel and play hard for him. That's what all the hosts/analysts say!

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2010 03:05 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

It's my experience that when fans start running out of actual things to complain about they start resorting to facial expressions. The 'Franco smirk' and the 'Heilman pout' were the two most recent examples of fans installing 'I don't care' and 'I'm not trying' motives to players they had already decided to dislike.

G-Fafif Aug 25 2010 03:28 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Walkoff Luis: Never the life of the party, though context seems to hang heavy in the air when he's the man in the spotlight. August 2007: "I came here to help the team and now I want to keep it going. I feel like I'm contributing." April 2009: "Last year, that was tough for me. Like I said in spring training, I've worked so hard. I feel good and want to prove what kind of player I am." August 2010: "I feel good. I feel good for the team, feel good for me. It's hard because for the first time I'm not playing every day. I try to do the best I can."

Fman99 Aug 25 2010 03:42 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="G-Fafif"][quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"][quote="G-Fafif"]Maybe Castillo's been so down about his lack of playing time that when he got his hit he didn't realize he'd won the game.

Clinical depression, obviously. A DL stint for Mr. Castillo, a plane ticket for Mr. Satin.

He's either super stoic or super detached or super mopey.

A few weeks ago, I wrote something to the effect of if I were managing, I'd tell Tejada he's my second baseman even he's batting .000. I didn't realize he'd almost literally take me up on it. Nevertheless, I like him at second base and will believe he's getting a clue at bat because he hasn't looked irredeemably horrible, just not quite there yet.

Luis? Shave the mustache, give him a red wig and some lifts in his shoes, and I could swear I'm looking at our new Rusty.

He looks rusty when he's running the bases on those old man legs.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 25 2010 04:18 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3jehwmsd][quote="batmagadanleadoff":3jehwmsd][quote="Edgy DC":3jehwmsd] One game (Atlanta-Colorado) features two teams the Mets would like to catch.[/quote:3jehwmsd] Who would you prefer to win that one?[/quote:3jehwmsd] The smart play is to root for Atlanta there. I'm not sure my heart's in the smart play, though.[/quote:3jehwmsd] Atlanta's the smart play ... the closer you are to a clean slate. All things being equal, the Mets chances of making the playoffs would be better if they finished ahead of the Braves instead of the Rockies ... by orders of magnitude. But all things are no longer equal and the slate's dirty. The regular season ends in about five weeks and the Braves are two and a half games up on Philly. So my hopes, like yours, are riding on the Braves to beat Colorado.

Ceetar Aug 25 2010 04:21 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Eh, as long as I have to hope, I'm hoping for the Braves and Phillies to go 5-25. They're off to a good start, Braves blew a 10-1 lead against the Rockies.

Edgy DC Aug 25 2010 05:55 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I look at it this a-way. The Mets are 16 games back net in the division (nine behind Atlanta and seven behind Phillie) and 16 net back in the wild card (seven, six, two-point-five, and point-five behind four different teams). All things look equal, so I'll root for Colorado as Atlanta losing knocks back a division rival and a potential wild card rival. But the important thing remains the Mets winning, and they're not right now.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 25 2010 06:47 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

I don't know about this net business but maybe the Mets are better off with the Rockies win earlier today. The Mets began the day only two games behind Colorado; there's plenty of time to catch the Rockies. That's one way of looking at this.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 25 2010 06:57 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

[quote="batmagadanleadoff":jrs7nw64]I don't know about this net business but maybe the Mets are better off with the Rockies win earlier today. The Mets began the day only two games behind Colorado; there's plenty of time to catch the Rockies. That's one way of looking at this.[/quote:jrs7nw64] Of course, the Mets have to win for this to mean anything. But they're not helping themselves any. They've probably thrown in the towel internally. If contending was the priority, Francoeur would be sitting, Tejada would be sitting. And Misch would've been skipped over today for Pelfrey.

Edgy DC Aug 25 2010 07:43 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Castillo is now the relief secondbaseman.

Ashie62 Aug 25 2010 07:44 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

KABOOM!

Ashie62 Aug 25 2010 07:47 PM Re: IGT 24 August Mets v. Fish

Frenchy! Keep hope alive!