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Farewell Frenchy?

metsguyinmichigan Aug 31 2010 02:08 PM

Lots of tweets about Frenchy likely headed to the Rangers today.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 31 2010 02:11 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

As per Rubin, they've got scouts in Atlanta today: Two MLB sources told ESPNNewYork.com that the Texas Rangers are looking for a right-handed-hitting outfielder for the bench and are considering Francoeur. "His name has definitely been talked about," one source said. The deal would need to be completed today for Frenchy to be eligible for the postseason roster.

metirish Aug 31 2010 02:17 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

I'll drive him, who's coming with me?

bmfc1 Aug 31 2010 02:21 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

I hope he can find a dog walker in Texas.

Edgy DC Aug 31 2010 02:26 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

We have precendent for getting actual modest value out of a late-August trade with the Rangers. We dealt Victor Diaz on August 30, 2007 for... organizational catcher Mike Nickeas, already mentioned today! Nickeas is looking more and more like a 2011 Met --- currently third on the depth charts for next year behind Josh Thole and Omir Santos, and that's third with a big fat bullet considering how terribly Santos has hit this season.

G-Fafif Aug 31 2010 04:25 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

bmfc1 wrote: I hope he can find a dog walker in Texas. Dog Walker: Texas Ranger

metirish Aug 31 2010 05:32 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

@SI_JonHeyman: trade being discussed would send infielder joaquin arias to #mets for francoeur

DocTee Aug 31 2010 05:37 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

That guy MUST be good. He was traded for A-Rod!

Edgy DC Aug 31 2010 05:39 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

That would be interesting, as Arias got DFA'd when they added Cora.

seawolf17 Aug 31 2010 06:01 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

As Casey once said, you gotta have a lot of Latino middle infielders, or else you're gonna have a lot of base hits up the middle. And stolen bases.

bmfc1 Aug 31 2010 06:39 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

I found something good about Joaquin Arias: he can play all 4 IF positions: http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ign=Linker

batmagadanleadoff Aug 31 2010 07:59 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

According to this report, the Rangers already claimed Francoeur off the waiver wire. Excerpt: ATLANTA -- According to multiple reports Jeff Francoeur was claimed off waivers by the Rangers, who were discussing a possible deal with the Mets on Tuesday night. Typical Mets. They'll get rid of him after he did his part to ruin this season.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 31 2010 08:04 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

According to this report, the Rangers already claimed Francoeur off the waiver wire. Excerpt: ATLANTA -- According to multiple reports Jeff Francoeur was claimed off waivers by the Rangers, who were discussing a possible deal with the Mets on Tuesday night. Typical Mets. They'll get rid of him after he did his part to ruin this season. If we're lucky.

bmfc1 Aug 31 2010 08:21 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

KBurkhardtSNY Francoeur's locker cleaned out. He's outta here. #Mets

metirish Aug 31 2010 08:26 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

@SI_JonHeyman: hearing francoeur is "probably'' gone from mets. heres another sign. RT @SurfingTheMets Francoeur's locker being cleaned out.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 31 2010 08:30 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

How long until the first bit of "Francoeur-departure-as-latest-bellwether-of-lost-season" hackery? Tomorrow? The weekend?

bmfc1 Aug 31 2010 08:36 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

Official - Francoeur to Texas for infielder Joaquin Arias

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 31 2010 08:41 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

OMAR LUVS LATINZ! (Also, TRADE THE CORE! And FREDDY COUPONZ!)

batmagadanleadoff Aug 31 2010 08:50 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

Bobby Ojeda on Jeff Francoeur: "He's just not a good hitter..... That's who he is..... He might be a nice guy, but I need wins....."

Edgy DC Aug 31 2010 08:53 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

Even the satire is depressing. Joaquin Arias Bats: R Throws: R Plays: ss, 2b, 1b, 3b Age: 26 and 10 days Birthplace: Santo Domingo, DR A throw-in in the big Alex Rodriguez-Alfonso Soriano deal, Arias had been bouncing around and was out of options and designated for assignment. The Rangers were forced to move him or lose him anyhow, so the deal makes a goofy bit of sense for both teams. Kind of looks like a young Dominican Billy Martin.

Zvon Aug 31 2010 09:30 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

And the Mets knew this was going down and they had him play tonight. Amazin. What if he turned an ankle or something. Totally amazin.

MFS62 Aug 31 2010 09:34 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

So, the Mets are getting a guy who was DFAd by a team that signed Alex Cora. Not a glowing recommendation. I wonder if he has to be added to the 40 man roster. Later

Zvon Aug 31 2010 09:34 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

Oh, and bye Jeff. I like you. You are a nice guy. Loved your arm in right. The best. Watching you hit drove me absolutely crazy but I did root for you to succeed. And I cheered when you did. L8r.

G-Fafif Aug 31 2010 09:55 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

Darren Oliver, Darren O'Day, Alex Cora, Jeff Francoeur...I got your postseason Mets substitute right here.

Ashie62 Aug 31 2010 09:56 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: How long until the first bit of "Francoeur-departure-as-latest-bellwether-of-lost-season" hackery? Tomorrow? The weekend? as we speak.

G-Fafif Aug 31 2010 10:26 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

Ashie62 wrote: How long until the first bit of "Francoeur-departure-as-latest-bellwether-of-lost-season" hackery? Tomorrow? The weekend? as we speak. John Harper on Wednesday, I'll betcha: Any team that couldn't respond to the leadership of Alex Cora, Rod Barajas and Jeff Francoeur -- running three respected veterans out of town -- has problems deeper than clubhouse chemistry. It's no wonder a solid citizen like Jason Bay is still dizzy from being exposed to this mess.

metirish Sep 01 2010 04:27 AM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

Even the satire is depressing. Joaquin Arias Bats: R Throws: R Plays: ss, 2b, 1b, 3b Age: 26 and 10 days Birthplace: Santo Domingo, DR A throw-in in the big Alex Rodriguez-Alfonso Soriano deal, Arias had been bouncing around and was out of options and designated for assignment. The Rangers were forced to move him or lose him anyhow, so the deal makes a goofy bit of sense for both teams. Kind of looks like a young Dominican Billy Martin. Looks like Kobe in his mug shot.

Willets Point Sep 01 2010 04:32 AM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

Timed just as the US withdraws from Iraq. Coincidence? I think not!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 01 2010 10:45 AM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

Despite my better judgement, I put on WFAN while driving this morning. In between railing (correctly) about the Jets' shoddy treatment of backup QB Kellen Clemens, Carton and Boomer were going off about how nonsensical a move this is, and the message it sends to the fanbase. I know how we feel, and how most of the informed-fan circles in which I traffic feel, but I wonder: do we have the numbers? Or do most Met fans think Carton's way-- that trading Francoeur (and Barajas and Cora) are "giving up" moves?

metirish Sep 01 2010 10:57 AM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Despite my better judgement, I put on WFAN while driving this morning. In between railing (correctly) about the Jets' shoddy treatment of backup QB Kellen Clemens, Carton and Boomer were going off about how nonsensical a move this is, and the message it sends to the fanbase. I know how we feel, and how most of the informed-fan circles in which I traffic feel, but I wonder: do we have the numbers? Or do most Met fans think Carton's way-- that trading Francoeur (and Barajas and Cora) are "giving up" moves? I have often wondered the same thing while listening to the tripe. Who are these people, why is this board so different?, are we all senile like Gammons?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 01 2010 11:07 AM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

If it were just the 'FAN, that would be one thing. But I hear enough people in the real world/teh internets to make me wonder a little more than a little, y'know?

batmagadanleadoff Sep 01 2010 11:45 AM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

Baseball Prospectus' very prescient analysis from their 2010 annual, released this preseason: There's nothing wrong with putting balls in play if you're driving them, but Francoeur's overeager approach (his 3.34 pitches seen per plate appearance was the fifth-worst in the NL) meant everything but line drives, which are the foundation of batting average -- an excess of grounders and popups. Unable to correct his tendency ... he was dumped on the Mets. Francoeur wasn't any more selective in New York but he did square up on more balls. His line drive rate leaped to a career-best 25 percent, a rate that would have ranked in the full-season top 10 (Jason Bartlett led the majors at 27.4 percent). With the Mets thinking about making a multiyear contract offer to him, is he likely to maintain his hitting on a high line-drive rate alone? Perfect data do not exist, but we'll use the numbers we have: going back to 1988, there have been 5,701 seasons of 300 or more plate appearances. Of these, just 264 seasons (4.6 percent) had a line-drive rate of 24.5 percent or higher. Of the 264, only 36 hitters reached that percentage in two or more consecutive seasons, and only three, Mark Grace, Mo Vaughn and Paul O'Neill did it in four straight seasons. In short, Francoeur is extremely likely to regress, leaving the Mets with what he was before, an out machine with a good arm.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 01 2010 12:47 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

There's the Met way of doing things, and the right way: * Texas is not asking or expecting Francoeur to be an everyday player and a savior. This is about adding a piece to put out there against left-handed pitching and someone who is a good defender. Francoeur, going into Tuesday's game, has hit .278 (in 97 at-bats) against left-handed pitching this season with three homers and 12 RBI.

Zvon Sep 01 2010 03:27 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I know how we feel, and how most of the informed-fan circles in which I traffic feel, but I wonder: do we have the numbers? Or do most Met fans think Carton's way-- that trading Francoeur (and Barajas and Cora) are "giving up" moves? The trade of Frenchy coupled with losing the first two games of this series,...I'd say that the Mets as an organization have officially thrown in the towel. Yea, they have given up. But as a fan I have the luxury of still hoping beyond hope. I have seen too many wacky things happen in baseball to ever give up before the math shows we are actually done. So part of me will still hope. The wacky part. I'm not as wacky as I used to be so that's just a small sliver of hope.

Edgy DC Sep 01 2010 05:55 PM Re: Farewell Frenchy?

Maybe they indeed have given up. But if giving up Frenchlick and Corazon and Barachi is throwing in the towel, that's a mightly unimpressive towel. They did what all teams do --- weighed the needs of today against the needs of tomorrow, and made a calculation. No need for a retired quarterback to get all dramatic about it.