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Edgy DC
Sep 01 2010 12:03 PM

Robert Carson is a peculiar choice. He had a good-but-not-so-good-as-that start in A-ball, going 7-5, 4.17, with 69 strikeouts and 33 walks in 86 innings. Then in AA, he exploded, going 1-6, 8.74 with 28 strikeouts and 22 walks in 45.1 innings.

Maybe they're trying to give him some sort of palate cleanser. Mets players are assigned this year to the Mesa Solar Sox, and Buffalo pitching instructor Ricky Bones will be the Sox pitching coach.

Also going is swingman Josh Stinson (10-4, 4.01, 81 SO, 53 BB, 132 innings, mostly at AA), German receiver Kai Granauer (.289 / .351 / .381 // .740, split between Savannah and St. Lucie), and awesome infielder Jordanny Valdespin (.275 / .304 / .404 // .708) between Lucie and Bingo.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 01 2010 12:11 PM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Valdespin and Gronauer make sense. So, I guess, does Stinson; though he doesn't have stuff/peripherals that make anyone drool, he was kicking ass in the first half with Binghamton, and has done okay in two starts at Buffalo.

Carson got eaten up by AA when he first arrived... and has continued to get eaten up-- with shitty home run and walk rates-- for a good two months (as opposed to, say, Cohoon). AFL's competitive... what's to make them think he won't get ripped to shreds there, too?

Edgy DC
Sep 01 2010 12:14 PM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Cohoon would be lovely. So would Ratliff.

I guess the thinking is (1) get Carson a clean slate, (2) give him a go at relieving full-time.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 12 2010 09:05 PM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Brad Holt wins the Solar Sox debut with 3 scoreless innings vs. Phoenix. Kirk Neiwenhuis started in CF and went 2-3 with a double, a walk, 2 runs scored and 2 RBI. Jordanny Valdespin led off, played 2nd, and went 1-5 with a stolen base and RBI.

Frayed Knot
Oct 12 2010 09:07 PM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Be nice if Holt could start to straighten himself out.
Dude just about fell off a cliff this year.

Edgy DC
Oct 12 2010 09:31 PM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Hold and Neiwenhuis are two guys I was hoping to see. Ah, yeah.

MFS62
Oct 12 2010 09:58 PM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Edgy DC wrote:
and awesome infielder Jordanny Valdespin (.275 / .304 / .404 // .708) between Lucie and Bingo.

Gee. I wonder who has adopted him?
LOL!

Later

smg58
Oct 13 2010 06:09 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Frayed Knot wrote:
Be nice if Holt could start to straighten himself out.
Dude just about fell off a cliff this year.


The guy's still young and has upside, but he's basically starting from scratch at this point. Nice to see he got off to a good start.

soupcan
Oct 13 2010 07:57 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Read this this morning...





10/12/10 8:11 PM ET

Mets' Holt rebounds, wins AFL debut
Former first-rounder yields one hit in three shutout innings
By Danny Wild / MLB.com

The relief in Brad Holt's voice was evident. The confidence and command that made him a first-round pick seem to be returning even if it's only the first day of the Arizona Fall League season.
Other than Jenrry Mejia, Holt was considered the Mets' top right-handed prospect heading into Spring Training. But a rough season at two Minor League levels left him looking to straighten things.

He's only three shutout innings into his AFL journey, but it's already been a positive experience.

"It's good having a little success. It feels real good, it's nice," Holt said Tuesday. "It was a good start, it's good to get back out there."

On the eve of his 24th birthday, Holt (1-0) allowed one hit in his Fall League debut as the Mesa Solar Sox beat the Phoenix Desert Dogs, 7-3, in the AFL opener for both teams.

Holt is looking to move forward after a rough season at Class A Advanced St. Lucie and Double-A Binghamton, where he combined to go 3-14 with an 8.34 ERA in 24 games.

The struggles, he said, were all mental. He dug himself a hole and, as the season wore on, battled to regain his stuff on the mound.

"I've been looking forward to [the AFL] a lot. That was the biggest thing toward the end of the year," Holt said. "I knew it, the coordinators knew it -- it was a mental year, I got caught in the quicksand and it's hard to come out of it. It was just all in my head, it was frustrating all year."

Holt was one of the Mets' three first-round picks in 2008 along with first baseman Ike Davis and shortstop Reese Havens. Davis batted .341 in 21 AFL games last year, and the Mets would love to see Holt find similar success this fall.

"I'm getting a fresh start out here," he said. "I went to instructs, and just being down there, it helped clear my head after the season and allowed me to get back in the zone. I felt comfortable, I started throwing strikes and I think it's continued."

The North Carolina native threw 23 of 37 pitches for strikes, walking one and fanning one. He retired two of the first three batters he faced on fly balls to center fielder and fellow Mets prospects Kirk Nieuwenhuis, working around a one-out walk to Trayvon Robinson (Dodgers).

Nieuwenhuis contributed an RBI double in the second off Phoenix starter Jon Link to plate Pirates farmhand Andrew Lambo for a 1-0 lead.

"I got out to a fast start. I was filling up the zone, so it was a good start coming off a pretty rough season," Holt said.

Brandon Laird (Yankees) reached on an error in the second for Phoenix, but Holt erased him by getting A's prospect Michael Taylor to hit into a double play.

Holt said his top priority this fall is to find his groove again and consistently spot his pitches.

"Just keeping my command and getting that back, that was the main thing this year. The whole year, there was no command with the fastball," he explained. "It would come and go with other pitches, but that's the main emphasis right now.

"I'm throwing four pitches for strikes, keeping it down, and right now everything is positive. And I want to keep it that way. It's coming back together to the point where I feel like the old me."

The "old" Holt is one who went 5-3 with a 1.87 ERA in 14 starts for short-season Brooklyn in 2008. The Mets pushed him along in his first full season in 2009, sending him to Double-A.

The AFL likely won't be as easy for Holt as the instructional league -- the Fall League is a collection of the top talent in the Minors. Occasionally, players with limited Major League experience are sent to Arizona to get in some extra work against top talent.

"It's exciting, this is the farthest west I've been. I've never been out in Arizona," Holt said. "I was looking forward to coming, just to get away from the humidity, and it's always fun to play with a new group of guys and see how they do stuff. You're making new friends and it's a lot of fun."

Not too much fun.

Wednesday is Holt's birthday, but he said he won't be out celebrating much with his new teammates.

"I'm keeping it low-key," he laughed. "I don't do too much with birthdays anymore."

NOTES: New Dodgers skipper Don Mattingly made his AFL managerial debut with Phoenix after serving as bench coach under Joe Torre. ... Holt will be working with Mesa pitching coach Ricky Bones, a former Major Leaguer who fills the same role at the Mets' Triple-A affiliate in Buffalo. ... Mesa RF John Mayberry (Phillies) left in the third inning with a leg injury. He was replaced by Texas League All-Star Jeremy Moore (Angels). ... Taylor, who was held to six longballs in 2010, homered in the fourth. He had 39 over the previous two seasons.


Danny Wild is an editor for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

Edgy DC
Oct 13 2010 08:18 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

"I'm getting a fresh start out here," he said. "I went to instructs, and just being down there, it helped clear my head after the season and allowed me to get back in the zone. I felt comfortable, I started throwing strikes and I think it's continued."

More success for Terry Collins!

Ashie62
Oct 13 2010 08:43 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Holt, 23 of 37 pitches for strikes. Brad might want to work on that.

Edgy DC
Oct 21 2010 08:54 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

PlayerPOSGABRH2B3BHRRBITBBBSOSBCSOBPSLGAVGOPSE
Joshua Satin2B12020000220001.0001.0001.0002.0001
Jordany ValdespinSS725492006111420.385.440.360.8252
Kirk NieuwenhuisCF51645200373601.450.438.313.8880
Kai GronauerC41201010231300.154.250.083.4040


PlayerWLERAGGSCGSHOSVIPHRERHRHBBBSOWHIPHLDGF
Bradley Holt100.0022000631000441.1700
Nicholas Carr003.6030000542200421.6010
Eric Niesen103.0030000343111121.6711
Robert Carson000.0000000000000000.0000


Get Carson some work!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 21 2010 09:08 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Niewenhuis walking*. Good to see.

*TINY SS ALERT!

Ashie62
Oct 21 2010 11:00 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Jordany Valdespin from San Pedro De Macoris.

[url]http://www.nyfuturestars.com/players.php?player=jordany_valdespin

Edgy DC
Oct 22 2010 02:03 PM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Robert Carson made his AFL debut yesterday, throwing three scoreless innings against the Scottsdale Scorpions. Carson gave up three hits, walked none, and struck out two. He was followed on the mound by Ranger prospect Ryan Brasier. That's a name that makes a kid tough.

Jordanny Valdespin contriubted to the win over the Scorps with his first AFL homer.

Edgy DC
Oct 25 2010 12:57 PM
Re: Arizona Fall League

If nothing good comes out of this fall season other than Brad Holt's rennaissance, that'd be OK.

Holt continues impressive AFL showing
Mets prospect combines with Sox 'pen to three-hit Rafters
By Ashley Marshall / Special to MLB.com | 10/24/10 1:53 AM ET

Brad Holt has found his comfort zone in the Arizona Fall League.

The former first-round Draft pick Brad Holt tossed three more scoreless innings Saturday as the Mesa Solar Sox snapped the Surprise Rafters' three-game winning streak with a 7-2 victory.

Selected 33rd overall by the Mets in 2008, Holt (2-0) allowed one hit while striking out five to maintain a perfect ERA through three AFL starts.

"I had pretty much everything working tonight," he said. "The only thing I didn't throw was my changeup. Everything has continued to improve since I got here and the biggest thing is that the fastball command has come around."

The 24-year-old right-hander struck out the side in the first inning, then worked around a two-out double by Pete Kozma (Cardinals) in the second. Staked to a 5-0 lead, Holt retired the Rafters in order in the third.

"I'm keeping it down in the zone, low and at the knees, and throwing everything else for strike," he said. "The curveball is still coming along and it looked good tonight, and the cutter has helped me out and it made my breaking ball work that much better."

The North Carolina native has allowed just an unearned run on four hits over nine innings for the Solar Sox (7-4).

Holt tossed three one-hit innings in his AFL debut on Oct. 12 and followed that up with three more solid frames against Peoria on Monday, when an errant pickoff attempt allowed a run to score.

He was coming off a difficult regular season in which he went 3-14 with an 8.34 ERA in 24 appearances between Class A Advanced St. Lucie and Double-A Binghamton. The biggest difference, Holt said, is feeling more comfortable on the mound.

"The biggest thing coming off of last season was not having any type of command, so all the wildness was making all my thoughts jumbled," he explained. "I cleared my thoughts and I started to do what felt comfortable out there, and I think that has played a big part in me getting back in the zone and throwing strikes."

Holt pounded the strike zone early and often Saturday, challenging the Rafters while mixing in his curveball to keep them off-balance. The aggressive approach paid off as he threw 32 of 46 pitches for strikes.

"The key was staying in the zone. It was all about the command," he said. "When you can command more than two pitches, it makes it that much easier. I wanted to get ahead of hitters, throw first-pitch strikes and get ahead in the count. That was a big key to everything going smoothly."

Holt has been working with Triple-A Buffalo pitching coach -- and former Major Leaguer -- Ricky Bones in Arizona and said everything has fallen into place.

"I finally started throwing [the cutter] in games at the end of last year, but now it is getting more consistent and more tight and it's starting to look like a true cutter," Holt said. "It's staying hard and has a sharp bite to it.

"I don't have any real goals here, but I want to stay consistent and cut down on the walks. My goals are plain and simple, and that's to command my pitches. I just need to keep working and focus on keeping everything down in the zone."

The Solar Sox jumped on Royals prospect Mike Montgomery (1-1) for three runs in the first as former first-rounder Brett Jackson (Cubs) hit an RBI double and Pirates farmhand Andrew Lambo slugged a two-run homer. Angels infielder Brandon Wood delivered a two-run double in the second to make it 2-0.

Montgomery was charged with five runs on seven hits in 1 2/3 innings.

Surprise (6-5), which had won three in a row, was held to one hit until Zack Cox (Cardinals) and Francisco Martinez (Tigers) smacked back-to-back RBI doubles in the seventh.

Ashley Marshall is a contributor to MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

Vic Sage
Oct 26 2010 10:29 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

you mean all it took was a pitching coach tell him to throw strikes?
what were they telling him to throw in A ball? Moon pies?

themetfairy
Oct 26 2010 10:31 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Vic Sage wrote:
you mean all it took was a pitching coach tell him to throw strikes?
what were they telling him to throw in A ball? Moon pies?


I envision it more like Cher slapping Nicholas Cage in Moonstruck. "Get over yourself!"

Edgy DC
Oct 28 2010 03:19 PM
Re: Arizona Fall League

The desert resurgence of Brad Holt continues.

His pitching-mates, not so much.

Player POS AB 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG OPS 
Kirk NieuwenhuisCF826582105124901.419.462.308.8810
Jordany ValdespinSS12489152018202850.340.417.313.7573
Joshua Satin2B31013000032400.417.300.300.7171
Kai GronauerC62012110453400.217.250.100.4670


Player ERA GS CG SHO SV IP ER HR HB BB SO WHIP HLD GF 
Bradley Holt200.0033000941000490.8900
Eric Niesen107.71500004.2128411243.0011
Robert Carson1011.57220004.286610131.9300

metirish
Nov 02 2010 09:14 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Rubin doing some good work down there


Hard-throwing Carr represents Mets in AFL




After an 11½-month recovery from Tommy John surgery, Mets farmhand Nick Carr returned to game action with a scoreless inning in the Gulf Coast League on June 22.

The 23-year-old right-hander went on to make 24 relief appearances between three Class A levels, going a combined 2-2 with a 4.70 ERA while striking out 36 and walking 23 in 30 2/3 innings.

Now, the hard-throwing Carr is part of the Mets’ Arizona Fall League contingent. Through six relief appearances for Mesa, he is 0-1 with a 4.50 ERA and has allowed 10 hits with five strikeouts and five walks in 10 innings.

“I’m glad to be down here and be facing some of the best players that are in the minor leagues right here,” Carr said. “So it’s a good challenge. And with me having my surgery and things like that, I didn’t get to pitch in Double-A this year. So it’s a good experience for me to see what those hitters are like down here as well.”

Carr was part of a 2005 draft for the Mets that proved to be bountiful. Despite not having second- and third-round picks that year as the result of signing Pedro Martinez and Carlos Beltran as free agents, five draft selections from that year have nonetheless appeared in the majors: Mike Pelfrey (first round), Drew Butera (fifth), Jon Niese (seventh), Bobby Parnell (ninth) and Josh Thole (13th). Butera was sent to Minnesota in the July 2007 trade for Luis Castillo and is Joe Mauer’s backup at catcher with the Twins.

Carr was a 41st-round pick out of high school in Idaho, in a since-abolished process known as draft-and-follow. He played a season at the College of Southern Idaho and then signed with the Mets, who had retained his rights. Carr had moved to the state during high school after growing up in California.

“I definitely wanted to sign. I definitely wanted to play,” Carr said. “So it wasn’t really too much of a question. There was a money amount I did want. They ended up giving me what I wanted, so I signed and decided to play.”

The Mets used Carr nearly exclusively as a starter during his first three professional seasons. That included during a rough 2008 season in which Carr had an 0-10 record and 7.18 ERA at Class A St. Lucie before picking up an Aug. 16 win at Brevard County during which he limited the Manatees to one run in 5 1/3 innings in what became a 2-1, seven-inning victory. Carr since has moved to relief.

“I don’t really want to talk too much about 2008,” Carr said. “… 2008 was a bad year for me as a player. It was a learning experience for me. Wins and losses wasn’t really what I was too much concerned about as opposed to just getting better and getting on the right track.

“I like it a lot better,” he added about relief. “I think it suits me more as a player being out of the bullpen. I’m more come in for one or two innings toward the end of the game. That’s kind of the role I want to be in.”

Carr estimates his fastball has been sitting at 95-96 mph and touching 98 mph during the Arizona Fall League.

At the start of the AFL season, farm director Adam Wogan offered this analysis of Carr: “Nick throws hard. He was a starter at the beginning of his career and it was a good place for him to get the innings. He threw both a curveball and a slider. He’s more throwing a slider now and can show really good fastball velocity -- anywhere up to 98 mph, even 99 mph. I think he’s touched triple-digits in the past for whatever accuracy you give that on some of these guns. He definitely throws the ball hard, and is working on commanding the fastball and the slider a little better.”

Said Carr: “I had pretty good control coming back from my surgery, and things are going well now. I’m anxious to keep going and finish up at the Fall League strong and look forward to next year and see what it brings.”


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets

Edgy DC
Nov 02 2010 09:28 AM
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"He’s more throwing a slider now and can show really good fastball velocity -- anywhere up to 98 mph, even 99 mph. I think he’s touched triple-digits in the past for whatever accuracy you give that on some of these guns. He definitely throws the ball hard... .”

Worst scouting report ever.

HahnSolo
Nov 02 2010 09:32 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

MLB Network is supposed to be airing the AFL all star game, not sure the date. Source: 7-year old little Solo, who watches MLBN religiously. (Seriously, last week he was looking through an old box of baseball cards and actually recognized Joe Magrane).

metirish
Nov 02 2010 01:42 PM
Re: Arizona Fall League

MLB Network is supposed to be airing the AFL all star game, not sure the date. Source: 7-year old little Solo, who watches MLBN religiously. (Seriously, last week he was looking through an old box of baseball cards and actually recognized Joe Magrane).



Brad Holt and Jordany Valdespin will represent the Mets in that game Rubin says.

HahnSolo
Nov 04 2010 07:17 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

Update from Little Solo: the game will be aired this Saturday at 9 ET on MLB network.

Edgy DC
Nov 11 2010 10:11 AM
Re: Arizona Fall League

PlayerPOSGABRH2B3BHRRBITBBBSOSBCSOBPSLGAVGOPSE
Joshua Satin2B82831220161751100.529.607.4291.1372
Jordany ValdespinSS19761927311113541270.388.461.365.8486
Kirk NieuwenhuisCF19691321611123282112.385.464.304.8480
Kai GronauerC103426110694500.263.265.176.5280


PlayerWLERAGGSCGSHOSVIPHRERHRHBBBSOWHIPHLDGF
Bradley Holt212.925400012.661074019131.5400
Nicholas Carr014.158000013.00138611981.6910
Eric Niesen106.75900009.331711721472.2521
Robert Carson119.264400011.6720121210281.8900