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Beat My Johnson

Centerfield Sep 02 2010 08:47 AM

That is, beat my All-Time, All-Johnson Team. Rotation 1913 Walter Johnson (36-7, 1.14 ERA) 1997 Randy Johnson (20-4, 2.28 ERA) 2009 Josh Johnson (15-5, 3.23 ERA) 1971 Jerry Johnson (12-9, 2.97 ERA) Lineup 1. 1996 Lance Johnson CF (BA: 333 9 HR, OPS: 841, 50 SB) 2. 2007 Kelly Johnson 2B (BA: 276, 16 HR, OPS: 832) 3. 2006 Nick Johnson 1B (BA: .290, 23 HR, OPS: 948) 4. 1987 Howard Johnson 3B (BA: 298, 36 HR, OPS: 928) 5. 1933 Roy Johnson LF (BA: .313, 10 HR, OPS: 853) 6. 2006 Reed Johnson RF (BA: 319, 12 HR, OPS: 869) 7. 1999 Charles Johnson C (BA: .251, 16 HR, OPS: .753) 8. 1921 Ernie Johnson SS (BA: 295, 1 HR, OPS: .697) Who's my fifth starter you ask? Walter Johnson. My closer? Walter Johnson. Pinch hitter? Pinch runner? Defensive replacement? I think you already know... I'll tell you what, I'll make it fair. Feel free to use two names, one for the lineup, one for the rotation. You still can't top my Johnson.

Edgy DC Sep 02 2010 08:50 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

I think Bret Sabrmetric started a similar thread. He may have used the same title.

Centerfield Sep 02 2010 08:51 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

No kidding, really? So much for my original idea.

Centerfield Sep 02 2010 09:01 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

This must be it: http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/2000/f1_t2042.shtml Very similar. But no witty double entendre in the thread title!

Willets Point Sep 02 2010 09:34 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

Centerfield wrote: Very similar. But no witty double entendre in the thread title! But it could be misheard as "Beat My Ass".

TransMonk Sep 02 2010 09:40 AM Re: Beat My Johnson Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 02 2010 09:56 AM

My All-Davis Team probably wouldn't beat the All-Johnson Team, but I'll throw it up there: Rotation: 1934 Curt Davis (19-17, 2.95 ERA) 1920 Dixie Davis (18-12, 3.17 ERA) 1954 Jim Davis (11-7, 3.52 ERA) 2005 Doug Davis (11-11, 3.84 ERA) 1988 Storm Davis (16-7, 3.70 ERA) (Thanks DocTee on edit!) Bullpen: 1979 Ron Davis (14-2, 2.85 ERA) 1989 Mark Davis (4-3, 1.85 ERA, 44 Svs) Lineup: 1897 George Davis SS (BA: .353, 10 HR, OPS: .918, 65 SB) 1969 Willie Davis RF (BA: .311, 11 HR, OPS: .811) 1987 Eric Davis CF (BA: .293, 37 HR, OPS: .991) 1962 Tommy Davis 3B (BA: .346, 27 HR, OPS: .910) 1994 Chili Davis LF (BA: .311, 26 HR, OPS: .971) 1984 Alvin Davis 1B (BA: .284, 27 HR, OPS: .888) 1986 Glen Davis DH (BA: .265, 31 HR, OPS: .837) 1983 Jody Davis C (BA: .271, 24 HR, OPS: .795) 1940 Crash Davis 2B (BA: .269, 0 HR, OPS: .623)

DocTee Sep 02 2010 09:52 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

TM, you need to add Storm Davis to your rotation 1989: 19-7 4.36 1988: 16-7 3.70 <---OE: sez the ever left-out Bob Johnson

TransMonk Sep 02 2010 09:58 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

Thanks, I've added him in. After looking at the Davis vs. Johnson battle a little closer, I'd bet the Davises could compete. The Johnsons look like a much better rotation, but the Davis clan has a slightly better lineup and bullpen IMO)

smg58 Sep 02 2010 10:48 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

So CF, I take it Davey is your manager?

seawolf17 Sep 02 2010 11:40 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

Started working on Team Williams, but it's VERY outfield-heavy, and the pitching staff is dreadful.

DocTee Sep 02 2010 11:43 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

Team Martinez could be good, I think, particularly if you add Reginald Martinez Jackson.

metsmarathon Sep 02 2010 11:51 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

team rodriguez may have a punchers chance...

seawolf17 Sep 02 2010 11:51 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

DocTee wrote: Team Martinez could be good, I think, particularly if you add Reginald Martinez Jackson. You'd have to. Otherwise, they're a little weak. MGR Buck Martinez 1969-1986, minors Mgr John Albert Martinez C Victor Martinez 2002-2010, minors Victor Jesus Martinez 1B Tino Martinez 1990-2005, minors Constantino Martinez Bamtino 2B Ted Martinez 1970-1979, minors Teodoro Noel (Encarnacion) Martinez SS Marty Martinez 1962-1972, minors Orlando (Oliva) Martinez 3B Ramon Martinez 1998-2009, minors Ramon E. Martinez OF Dave Martinez 1986-2001, minors David Martinez OF Carmelo Martinez 1983-1991, minors Carmelo (Salgado) Martinez OF Reggie Jackson 1967-1987, minors Reginald Martinez Jackson Mr. October DH Edgar Martinez 1987-2004, minors Edgar Martinez Gar, Papi DL Fernando Martinez 2009-2010, minors Jesus Fernando (Alvarez) Martinez SP Tippy Martinez 1974-1988, minors Felix Anthony Martinez SP Pedro Martinez 1992-2009, minors Pedro Jaime Martinez SP Ramon Martinez 1988-2001, minors Ramon Jaime Martinez SP Dennis Martinez 1976-1998, minors Jose Dennis (Emilia) Martinez El Presidente The rest: Alfredo Martinez 1980-1981, minors Alfredo Martinez Anastacio Martinez 2004-2004, minors Anastacio Euclides Martinez Carlos Martinez 2006-2009, minors Carlos M. Martinez Carlos Martinez 1988-1995, minors Carlos Alberto Escobar Martinez Chito Martinez 1991-1993, minors Reyenaldo Ignacio Martinez Cristhian Martinez 2009-2010, minors Cristhian A. (Mercedes) Martinez Domingo Martinez 1992-1993, minors Domingo Emilio (LaFontaine) Martinez Felix Martinez 1997-2001, minors Felix (Mata) Martinez Greg Martinez 1998-1998, minors Gregory Alfred Martinez Hector Martinez 1962-1963, minors Rodolfo Hector Martinez Javier Martinez 1998-1998, minors Javier Antonio Martinez Joe Martinez 2009-2010, minors Joseph A. Martinez Jose Martinez 1969-1970, minors Jose (Azcuiz) Martinez Jose Martinez 1994-1994, minors Jose Miguel (Martinez) Martinez Luis Martinez 2003-2003, minors Luis Martinez Manny Martinez 1996-1999, minors Manuel (de Jesus) Martinez Pablo Martinez 1996-1996, minors Pablo Made (Valera) Martinez Pedro Martinez 1993-1997, minors Pedro (Aquino) Martinez Rogelio Martinez 1950-1950, minors Rogelio Bautista (Ulloa) Martinez Limonar Sandy Martinez 1995-2004, minors Angel Sandy (Martinez) Martinez Silvio Martinez 1977-1981, minors Silvio Ramon (Cabrera) Martinez Tony Martinez 1963-1966, minors Gabriel Antonio (Diaz) Martinez

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 02 2010 11:51 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

Johnsons? Davises? Suck on my Willies. Team "Willie" has some pitching holes; the rotation's filled with slightly fluky successes, and the middle-relief is somewhat chuck-and-duck. But they do have got rubber arms... and, oh, that lineup. ROTATION: 1913 Willie Mitchell (14-8, 1.91 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 217 IP, 159 ERA+) 1928 "Wee Willie" Sherdel (21-10, 2.86 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 140 ERA+) 1903 Willie Sudhoff (21-15, 2.27 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 293 IP, 128 ERA+) 1950 Willie "the Knuck" Ramsdell (8-14, 3.68 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, 115 ERA+, a friggin' knuckler!) SWINGMEN: 1987 Willie Fraser (10-10, 3.92 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 110 ERA+) 1997 Willie Blair (16-8, 4.17 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, 111 ERA+) 1994 Willie Banks (11-12, 4.04 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, 107 ERA+) 1929 Claude "Weeping Willie" Willoughby (15-14, 4.99 ERA, 1.62 WHIP, 243 1/3 IP, 104 ERA+) BULLPEN: 1984 Willie Hernandez (1.92 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, 68 GF, 140 IP, 112 K/36 BB, 32 SV, 188 ERA+) 1996 Willie Adams (4.01 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 76.1 IP, 68 K/20 BB, 128 ERA+) LINEUP: RF 1897 "Wee" Willie Keeler (BA: .424, OBP: .464, 0 HR, OPS: 1.003, 64 SB) 2B 1980 Willie Randolph (BA: .294, OBP: .427, 7 HR, OPS: .834, 30 SB, 119 BB) LF 1973 Willie Stargell (BA: .299, 44 HR, OPS: 1.038, 87 XBH) CF 1965 Willie Mays (BA: .311, 52 HR, OPS: 1.043, 11.0 B-R WAR, GG) 1B 1969 Willie McCovey (BA: .320, OBP: .453, 45 HR, OPS: 1.108) 3B 1951 Willie "Puddin' Head" Jones (BA: .285, 22 HR, OPS: .828) SS 1939 Willie Wells (Negro Leagues HOFer, nicknamed "Devil" and "Shakespeare of Shortstops" for his absurdly smooth defensive play) C 1996 Dan "Willie" Wilson (BA: .285, 18 HR, OPS: .774) BENCH: OF 1985 Willie McGee (BA: .353, 10 HR, OPS: .887, 56 SB, GG) OF 1973 Willie Crawford (BA: .295, 12 HR, OPS: .849, 12 SB) OF 1968 Willie Horton (BA: .285, 36 HR, OPS: .895) 1B/OF 1983 Willie Upshaw (BA: .306, 27 HR, OPS: .887, 10 SB) 1B/2B/3B/OF 2009 Willy Aybar (BA: .253, 12 HR, OPS: .747) 3B/OF 1997 Willie Greene (BA: .253, 26 HR, OPS: .822) C 1927 Willie Moore (Warm body in a mask)

Edgy DC Sep 02 2010 11:57 AM Re: Beat My Johnson

That's kind of a pretty good team. My team just got sad.

seawolf17 Sep 02 2010 12:00 PM Re: Beat My Johnson

AND they come with a groundskeeper, too, which is nice.

Centerfield Sep 02 2010 12:25 PM Re: Beat My Johnson

smg58 wrote: So CF, I take it Davey is your manager? Total brain fart. When I was thinking of this last night, Davey was going to be my Player-Manager. 1973 Davey thumped to the tune of .270, 43 HR, .916 OPS. I suck worse than Omar.

smg58 Sep 02 2010 12:54 PM Re: Beat My Johnson

seawolf17 wrote: Started working on Team Williams, but it's VERY outfield-heavy, and the pitching staff is dreadful. I looked at them too. Could you count Smokey Joe Williams as a pitcher? He was 41-3 in the Negro Leagues in 1914, and outdueled a number of prominent major leaguers in exhibition games -- including Walter Johnson, at least twice.

Edgy DC Sep 02 2010 12:56 PM Re: Beat My Johnson

I would. And then you've got Woody, and... Dave!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 02 2010 01:02 PM Re: Beat My Johnson

As someone who eagerly grabbed Willie Wells as my designated defensive wizard, I'd definitely allow the Smokey Joe inclusion. On a different note: the Jacksons (nice peaks, but thin) and Smiths (deeper, but without any really dominant players) are really disappointing potential entrants.

Ashie62 Sep 02 2010 07:56 PM Re: Beat My Johnson

Centerfield wrote: smg58 wrote: So CF, I take it Davey is your manager? Total brain fart. When I was thinking of this last night, Davey was going to be my Player-Manager. 1973 Davey thumped to the tune of .270, 43 HR, .916 OPS. I suck worse than Omar. No you don't.

dinosaur jesus Sep 03 2010 01:46 PM Re: Beat My Johnson

All-Campaneris: P: Bert C: Bert 1B: Bert 2B: Bert 3B: Bert SS: Bert LF: Bert CF: Bert RF: Bert Utility: Bert vs. All-Tovar: P: Cesar C: Cesar 1B: Cesar 2B: Cesar 3B: Cesar SS: Cesar LF: Cesar CF: Cesar RF: Cesar Utility: Cesar Campy x 9 won't hit a lot of home runs, but he'll steal some bases for you. And if he's his own manager, you know he's got the green light.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Sep 03 2010 03:41 PM Re: Beat My Johnson

My first shot at Team "John"s without "-sons," with B-R WAR: C: Johnny Bench, 1972, 9.1 WAR 1B: John Olerud, 1993, 8.3 WAR 2B: Johnny Evers, 1908, 6.5 WAR (B-R listed nickname(s?): "Crab and Trojan") 3B: John Franklin "Home Run" Baker, 1912, 10.0 WAR SS: John Henry "Pop" Lloyd, Negro Leagues LF: John Patsy "Tito" Francona, 1959, 5.8 WAR CF: Johnny Damon, 2000, 6.6 WAR RF: "Silent" John Titus, 1905, 6.5 WAR SP: John Clarkson, 1889, 16.0 WAR (He went 49-19 with a 153 ERA+. Only his second-highest win total, though.) SP: John Dwight "Happy Jack" Chesbro, 1904, 8.8 WAR SP: John Lackey, 2007, 6.3 WAR SP: John Smoltz, 1996, 6.1 WAR SP: Tommy John, 1970, 5.7 WAR CL: John Franco, 1988, 3.2 WAR Probably missing a few obvious players and a ton of not-so obvious ones, but my starting lineup and rotation (plus Franco) would be good for about 99 wins over replacement, plus whatever Pop Lloyd did. Figure replacement level around 47 wins, this team could go 146-16 if Lloyd only played at replacement level.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Sep 03 2010 04:08 PM Re: Beat My Johnson

For comparison, CF's team: Rotation 1913 Walter Johnson (36-7, 1.14 ERA) 12.4 WAR 1997 Randy Johnson (20-4, 2.28 ERA) 7.7 WAR (2002 was B-R's favorite, with an 8.8) 2009 Josh Johnson (15-5, 3.23 ERA) 5.3 WAR (2010: 6.2 so far) 1971 Jerry Johnson (12-9, 2.97 ERA) 0.8 WAR (1969: 0.9) Lineup 1. 1996 Lance Johnson CF (BA: 333 9 HR, OPS: 841, 50 SB) 6.8 WAR 2. 2007 Kelly Johnson 2B (BA: 276, 16 HR, OPS: 832) 4.3 WAR 3. 2006 Nick Johnson 1B (BA: .290, 23 HR, OPS: 948) 5.2 WAR 4. 1987 Howard Johnson 3B (BA: 298, 36 HR, OPS: 928) 4.5 WAR (1989: 7.7) 5. 1933 Roy Johnson LF (BA: .313, 10 HR, OPS: 853) 3.4 WAR 6. 2006 Reed Johnson RF (BA: 319, 12 HR, OPS: 869) 3.6 WAR 7. 1999 Charles Johnson C (BA: .251, 16 HR, OPS: .753) 2.9 WAR (1997: 4.4) 8. 1921 Ernie Johnson SS (BA: 295, 1 HR, OPS: .697) 1.1 WAR (1916: 1.8) That's good for around 60 WAR, 67 or so if we go with B-R's favorite years. So they're good for 107-114 wins without counting a fifth starter or closer (not that I'm sure how a closer or fifth starter would work on these teams).

Vince Coleman Firecracker Sep 03 2010 04:21 PM Re: Beat My Johnson Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 03 2010 04:22 PM

LWFS's Team Willie starting lineup/rotation/closer (yeah, that's an arbitrary cutoff, but whatever) would be good for 75 WAR, plus Willie Wells' best season for at least 121 wins.

Vince Coleman Firecracker Sep 03 2010 04:21 PM Re: Beat My Johnson

Fat-fingered the edit button. Sorry.