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I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 03 2010 03:39 PM

In press-conference thread. Mets: Jay Horwitz Jeff Wilpon Omar Minaya Mystery Guest 1 John Ricco Fred Wilpon Jay Horwitz

Edgy DC Oct 03 2010 04:21 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Oh, dear.

The Second Spitter Oct 03 2010 04:26 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

What's happening?

Ashie62 Oct 03 2010 05:26 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

The Second Spitter wrote: What's happening? They are all being terminated.

metirish Oct 03 2010 05:34 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Jay is so useless he is there twice.

G-Fafif Oct 03 2010 05:36 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Adam Rubin should be aware of being brushed back.

Frayed Knot Oct 03 2010 07:20 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

I bet Fred's not gonna show.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 04 2010 08:03 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Lennon expects a 1 p.m. first pitch, though no announcement yet. Jeff is apparently taking some cuts as we speak.

metirish Oct 04 2010 08:07 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Burkhardt tweets he has been at the stadium all morning, get a fucking life, a miserable a place as ever this day I'd say.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 04 2010 08:14 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

I'm glad he's there, or somebody, at least. While I sorta disagree with the whole "Most Important Hire Since Frank Cashen" talk*, I'm interested to know what they say and get some perspective on it. * -- This is what Howie said some writers said. I think Omar needs to get out of the main office but good on his tenure for producing a few promising ballplayers: I hope they don't burn everything.

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 08:35 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Me and Howie are getting together a little bit there. We def don't see eye-to-eye on Jerryball.

metirish Oct 04 2010 09:22 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Burkhardt - " Manuel is here , meeting with ownership now"

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 09:28 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Edgy DC wrote: Me and Howie are getting together a little bit there. We def don't see eye-to-eye on Jerryball. I misread that. That's Bucket speaking. Me and Howie still far apart. Film at 11.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 04 2010 09:38 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

I'm not sure about the "since Frank Cashen" part, but it is an important hire. It's very important to get things turned around before this decline accelerates. And we'll need a bright GM in place for 2011, which is going to be a very challenging year.

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 09:41 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Yeah, but that much is true of every GM hire or fire. The "most important since Cashen" (and who knew how important he was at the time, huh?) is just hyperbole created to put unreasonable expectations on the Mets and the hiree.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 09:46 AM Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

Tweets say it's official.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 09:46 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

Ricco named interim GM. No word of Omar is reassigned within.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 04 2010 09:47 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

True. It's rare to change GM's (unless a guy is retiring) when things are going well, so you're always bringing a new guy in at a "crisis" point. The one exceptional thing this time is that the new guy is coming in handcuffed to a lot of bad salaries for 2011, so the more ingenuity he has, the better.

MFS62 Oct 04 2010 09:47 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

Adam Rubin on his ESPN blog is saying the same. Both have been "relieved of their duties". Press conference at 1:30. Later

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 09:48 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

Heyman saying Omar to say with some job other than GM.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 04 2010 09:48 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 04 2010 09:51 AM

It does mean that he's kinda got a breather year of sorts (albeit a rough-from-a-PR-standpoint one-- "heavy breather," maybe?); 2012 and beyond will be the real tests of his (or her?) stewardship. Burkhardt tweets he has been at the stadium all morning, get a fucking life, a miserable a place as ever this day I'd say. Good place for a nap, though or a crappy tour. (I think this cheesed me off more than anything I've read or thought about re: the Mets over the last season or so.)

soupcan Oct 04 2010 09:49 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

This was the first sentence in an article in the NYTimes today - "An item in a Connecticut newspaper on Sunday said that Jeff Wilpon, Bobby Valentine, Omar Minaya and Wally Backman were seen dining recently at a restaurant in Norwalk called Quattro Pazzi, igniting speculation about the Mets’ future plans until the report was roundly dismissed. " I read it and immediately started salivating at the prospect of a Bobby V. GM / Wally B. manager combo. The last 5 words did not even register on the first read-through. Then of course...they did. Booo. Good restaurant though - excellent Chicken Milanese.

Frayed Knot Oct 04 2010 09:50 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Heyman saying Omar to say with some job other than GM. HOTDOGS ... GET YER HOTDOGS HERE

HahnSolo Oct 04 2010 09:50 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Heyman saying Omar to say with some job other than GM. Just clean house, please.

bmfc1 Oct 04 2010 09:50 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

1:30 presser. Goodbye Jerry. Heyman, in the midst of telling us what great people Jerry and Omar are, says that Omar is staying "in some capacity."

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 09:50 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

October 4, 2010 Dear Mets Fans: Thank you for your support during another extremely disappointing season. Like you, all of us at the Mets had high expectations for 2010 and we did not come close to meeting them. Since reaching the National League Championship Series in 2006, we have underperformed. The failure is unacceptable and we share your anguish. As Ownership, we are ultimately responsible and have determined that changes are necessary to produce a winning team for the long term. Earlier this morning, we relieved Omar Minaya of his duties as Executive Vice President of Baseball Operations & General Manager, and advised Jerry Manuel that we are declining to exercise the club's option on his contract as Manager for 2011. We appreciate all that Omar and Jerry have done for the Organization and thank them for their time and effort. Changes like these are never easy, especially when dealing with people you like and respect. We feel a fresh perspective in the leadership of our baseball department will elevate the performance of our club. That person will work with Ownership to hire a new Manager and will be responsible for creating a winning culture. We have a lot of work to do to regain your confidence and support. Thank you for the opportunity to do so. Fred Wilpon Chairman & CEO Saul Katz President Jeff Wilpon COO

bmfc1 Oct 04 2010 09:52 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

"We have a lot of work to do to regain your confidence and support." No kidding.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 09:56 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

Here's the AP crawl at the top of my work screen, with the e-mail from the Mets coming at the exact same time.

Chad Ochoseis Oct 04 2010 09:58 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

I was relieved to see this season end, too.

MFS62 Oct 04 2010 09:58 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

metsguyinmichigan wrote: That person will work with Ownership to hire a new Manager and will be responsible for creating a winning culture. Uh oh. What ever happened to autonomy? Later

DocTee Oct 04 2010 09:59 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

"We have a lot of work to do to regain your confidence and support." 17.5% decline in attendance suggests that you do.

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 10:00 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Great.

Methead Oct 04 2010 10:01 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

Huh. I always figured the GM job would go to Krivsky when the time came. I guess that's still on the table.

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 10:03 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

What's with the multiple threads. Anybody mind if I merge?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 04 2010 10:04 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

I hope they appoint Omar King of Scouting and Being Nice to People. I really do. Thole, Davis, Carter, Niese, Takahashi, Tejada, Duda, etc all to his good.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 04 2010 10:07 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

No surprises here.

Ceetar Oct 04 2010 10:07 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Steve Popper and Jon Heyman annoyed that we are reveling in this. Why am I not supposed to be overjoyed about finally getting rid of a bad guy who mismanaged something I love for years?

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 10:08 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

And only one of them Latino. Go Omar, you nativist mainiac!

bmfc1 Oct 04 2010 10:10 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Ceetar wrote: Steve Popper and Jon Heyman annoyed that we are reveling in this. Why am I not supposed to be overjoyed about finally getting rid of a bad guy who mismanaged something I love for years? Agreed Ceetar.

bmfc1 Oct 04 2010 10:11 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

Fake John Ricco is rejoicing on Twitter: NYM_JohnRicco

metirish Oct 04 2010 10:12 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Ceetar wrote: Steve Popper and Jon Heyman annoyed that we are reveling in this. Why am I not supposed to be overjoyed about finally getting rid of a bad guy who mismanaged something I love for years? While I am happy at the prospect of having a new GM and manager and I assume new coaches I don't take any joy in seeing people get fired or whatever they call it.

MFS62 Oct 04 2010 10:12 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Ricco named interim GM. How interim is interim? Any word on what they meant by that? I can't read blogs from this PC - protection sowftare. Later

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 10:13 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

HahnSolo wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Heyman saying Omar to say with some job other than GM. Just clean house, please. I can't get behind that.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 10:14 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Omar saying he "won't immediately" accept another role in the organization.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 04 2010 10:14 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

MFS62 wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Ricco named interim GM. How interim is interim? Any word on what they meant by that? I can't read blogs from this PC - protection sowftare. I hope it's "here, hold the keys a minute while I tie my shoes" interim, and not "you'll have to be the man of the house for now, sport" interim.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 10:16 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

I suspect it's interim as in "You can take the phone calls while we're interviewing people to replace you." Or: "If you can trade Ollie for, well, anyone, we'll remove the interim."

bmfc1 Oct 04 2010 10:26 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

http://cl.ly/a3360df8d2d61fb6bd25

metirish Oct 04 2010 10:29 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Burkhardt "Omar is no longer with the organization. Live on SNY right now"

HahnSolo Oct 04 2010 10:30 AM Re: Omar "relieved," Jerry not renewed

Edgy DC wrote: HahnSolo wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Heyman saying Omar to say with some job other than GM. Just clean house, please. I can't get behind that. Clean house is the wrong phrase. I mean that if you are relieving Omar, just let him go. I just don't like having the ex-GM in another role

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 11:34 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Why not? There's no reason to believe he's poisonous, and he is under contract. Omar speaks: I think I have been fortunate to have been able to work here. It has been a dream. The only part of the dream that didn't happen was winning a World Series....We had talent, we put talent together. The team has to close it out. We just couldn't get it done. To Mets fans: I want to thank the Mets fans. They have been very loyal. The organization [minor leagues] are in good shape. The major league club, the nucleus of the this team, is healthy. The ownership are committed to winning. Thank you for their support. Keep the faith. Keep on believing. Its going to happen. I believe the nucleus of this organization are trying as hard as they can to make it happen. Thank you for the support over the years.

HahnSolo Oct 04 2010 11:34 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

RIP Bob Mandt.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 11:35 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Jeff still has that bad hair.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 11:37 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

I give Fred props for showing up. He does sound broken up.

metirish Oct 04 2010 11:38 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Video http://web.sny.tv/media/video.jsp?conte ... id=6479520

HahnSolo Oct 04 2010 11:38 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Jeff: "I've worked with Jerry for 4 years." Well, he was here for 6, Jeff.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 11:38 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Sounds like the coaches are gone, too.

metirish Oct 04 2010 11:41 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Omar could not have sounded more classy , kudos .

Gwreck Oct 04 2010 11:43 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Edgy DC wrote: The major league club, the nucleus of the this team, is healthy. I guess Omar forgot to add "except Bay and Santana, and maybe Beltran who had pain in his knee again at the end of this season."

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 11:46 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Fred: "We're not capable of picking baseball players." Said there is an incorrect perception out there.

metirish Oct 04 2010 11:47 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Here is some of Fred Wilpon, in his introduction statement: ?”Our family has owned the Mets for a very long time. We’ve had a lot of good years, and too many poor years. That’s painful. I must say, the last four years have been the most painful to me and probably the most disappointing… ? I love the New York Mets. I love this franchise. This franchise is part of our family, and our lives… As the Principal Owner and the CEO of this team, I am responsible, I have the last word, the buck stops here and so I take all of the responsibility for the failures on the field or in any other places in this organization… We will hire a new GM, and he will hire the manager and the coaches. His job and the managers job and the staff’s job, with our support, is to win baseball games.” http://www.metsblog.com/

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 04 2010 11:49 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Just a peculiar family business.

G-Fafif Oct 04 2010 11:50 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

FW: Last four years most painful of the past 30. Take that, 1993.

HahnSolo Oct 04 2010 11:51 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

A "family" business, Fred? Are Jeff's siblings named Wednesday and Puggsley?

G-Fafif Oct 04 2010 11:51 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Howard made a big show of pronouncing John Ricco with the short "i". The Wilpons called him Ricco as in Brogna. Same page, fellas.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 11:52 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Jeff: Coaches are all "on hold." Would help if they knew how to pronounce Ricco's name.

G-Fafif Oct 04 2010 11:52 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

HahnSolo wrote: A "family" business, Fred? Are Jeff's siblings named Wednesday and Puggsley? That stock ticker in the Delta club is a real bad sign.

themetfairy Oct 04 2010 11:54 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

HahnSolo wrote: RIP Bob Mandt. I'm glad he was inducted into the Mets HOF when he was around to enjoy it.

bmfc1 Oct 04 2010 11:54 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Would help if they knew how to pronounce Ricco's name. They thought that they were being funny but it came across as ignorant. He's one of your top guys, you should know his name.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 11:56 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Other than the mispronunciation, I think they're coming off well here.

HahnSolo Oct 04 2010 11:56 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

bmfc1 wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Would help if they knew how to pronounce Ricco's name. They thought that they were being funny but it came across as ignorant. He's one of your top guys, you should know his name. This.

G-Fafif Oct 04 2010 11:58 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Other than the mispronunciation, I think they're coming off well here. That only took four years.

metirish Oct 04 2010 11:59 AM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Ownership saying that they were never asked to eat any players contract , they would have considered this if asked. http://player.radio.com/player/RadioPla ... station=62

metirish Oct 04 2010 12:04 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Jeff just sounds like such a dick.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 12:07 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Does it seem strange that Jeff keeps referring to his father by his first name?

G-Fafif Oct 04 2010 12:15 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Does it seem strange that Jeff keeps referring to his father by his first name? "Dadsie" would sound stranger.

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 12:17 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

What would you say in such a situation? "My daddy and I are committed to giving the Mets fans the best team possible, and will continue to strive..." He's "Fred" to the media, so it makes sense that he speaks of him as "Fred." Even calling him "my father" has an emasculating ring to it.

soupcan Oct 04 2010 12:19 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

That's true. Guys that work for their dads often say they work 'with' their dads and the guys I know that work 'with' their dads always refer to them by their first name.

G-Fafif Oct 04 2010 12:20 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Hal Steinbrenner referred to "George" in The House of Steinbrenner and it also sounded awkward.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 12:23 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Good answers on the Madoff situation. Overall, I think they did a good job with this. Addressed the key issues, were kind to the people they dispatched, took responsibility where they should, admitted the hurt, looked forward. Fred sounds a little too much like Bud Selig, but he does sound better than Jeff. The name thing just seemed kind of odd to me. As a funny aside, my father is the head of a company in Florida. He and I have the same first name, but different middle names, so I'm not a junior. So when I call down there, I ask for him by name, and when the receptionist asks who is calling, and gets the same name, there's always an awkward pause until they remember. I usually have to follow with, ..."his son." But that doesn't always work since my brother works with him.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 12:25 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Edgy DC wrote: What would you say in such a situation? "My daddy and I are committed to giving the Mets fans the best team possible, and will continue to strive..." He's "Fred" to the media, so it makes sense that he speaks of him as "Fred." Even calling him "my father" has an emasculating ring to it. No, why would be say "daddy?" If he had said, "My father, Mr. Katz and I are committed to giving the Mets fans the best team possible..." that wouldn't sound unusual to me.

HahnSolo Oct 04 2010 12:25 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Next time, instead of saying "his son" say "you know, Mets Guy in Michigan." That'll work.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 04 2010 12:27 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

No, next time say, "Who the hell are YOU to ask who I am! I'm fucking Snooki! PUT ME THROUGH!"

Benjamin Grimm Oct 04 2010 12:29 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Oh, by the way, I meant "fucking" as an adjective, not a verb, but it would work either way.

metirish Oct 04 2010 12:31 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Jeff on now with Francesa talking about the perception that they involve themselves too deeply in the biz of the GM and baseball people, false he says.

G-Fafif Oct 04 2010 12:31 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Fred with the glasses and the age looks like late-period LBJ.

G-Fafif Oct 04 2010 12:34 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Jeff on with Francesa right now.

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 12:35 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Edgy DC wrote: What would you say in such a situation? "My daddy and I are committed to giving the Mets fans the best team possible, and will continue to strive..." He's "Fred" to the media, so it makes sense that he speaks of him as "Fred." Even calling him "my father" has an emasculating ring to it. No, why would be say "daddy?" If he had said, "My father, Mr. Katz and I are committed to giving the Mets fans the best team possible..." that wouldn't sound unusual to me. It wouldn't sound unusual, but --- and you have to read soup's post above --- it is a common enough way of talking for people who work in their father's business. More interestingly, your sentence ("My father, Mr. Katz and I...") is one of the very special cases where the serial comma before the "and" would have added ambiguity.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 12:37 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: No, next time say, "Who the hell are YOU to ask who I am! I'm fucking Snooki! PUT ME THROUGH!" Yup. This is why I'll try his cell or e-mail before trying the front desk.....

metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2010 12:40 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

HahnSolo wrote: Next time, instead of saying "his son" say "you know, Mets Guy in Michigan." That'll work. That might work. When dad leaves a comment on the blog, he signs it Mets Guy in Florida. :) And Edgy is right about the serial comma!

metirish Oct 04 2010 12:45 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Jeff when asked how he views this team " this is a team of individuals and not a team"....

HahnSolo Oct 04 2010 12:49 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Jeff on Citi Field dimensions (paraphrase): Dimensions were the idea of Omar and his people. We are not closed to the possibility of changing.

metirish Oct 04 2010 12:49 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Jeff "will listen to the new GM about changing the dimensions of Citi Field"..... doesn't sound convincing though , and I hope it doesn't change.

HahnSolo Oct 04 2010 12:50 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Ricco and Jeff have list of 30 possible candidates; will bring in "6 or 7 to start".

metirish Oct 04 2010 01:03 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Francesa "Madoff didn't take on non-jewish clients" is that true?

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 01:06 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

It's not only not true, it's ridiculous, since many of his clients were institutions --- such as pension funds and banks --- that would have a hard time discriminating on the basis of creed. He had a lot of connections with Jewish charities and people and bilked the shit out of them. But not just them. Why are you tuning in to that guy?

metirish Oct 04 2010 01:09 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Edgy DC wrote: It's not only not true, it's ridiculous, since many of his clients were institutions --- such as pension funds and banks --- that would have a hard time discriminating on the basis of creed. He had a lot of connections with Jewish charities and people and bilked the shit out of them. But not just them. Why are you tuning in to that guy? I know right , I thought it sounded totally off the wall. Tuning in because that's where the press conference was. Tuning out now pops.

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 01:12 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Tim Teufel, another prominent Jew bilked by Bernie Madoff. Interestingly,Ollie Perez was signed within weeks of the Madoff arrest.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 04 2010 01:22 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

HahnSolo wrote: Jeff on Citi Field dimensions (paraphrase): Dimensions were the idea of Omar and his people. We are not closed to the possibility of changing. This strikes me as a little bit shitty, or at least not a bit magnanimous.

metirish Oct 04 2010 01:24 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Pretty sure he said that they were all involved in that thought process but yeah he did say that Omar and hsi people wasnted a stadium for pitching, defense and speed.... sounded shitty that he laid it right there.

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 01:46 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

It would if there was something terribly wrong with the dimensions, but there isn't.

Willets Point Oct 04 2010 01:51 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Edgy DC wrote: Tim Teufel, another prominent Jew bilked by Bernie Madoff. Teufel is Christian of an evangelical stripe.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 04 2010 01:53 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Edgy DC wrote: It would if there was something terribly wrong with the dimensions, but there isn't. Well, no-- it's shitty because the dimensions are perceived as a design flaw. It doesn't matter whether they actually constitute one.

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 01:57 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

They're not pereceived that way by me. They don't seem to be perceived that way by Jeff Wilpon. And yes, I know about Teufel. I was making my point about Francessa through the judicious exercise of irony.

Ceetar Oct 04 2010 01:59 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

metirish wrote: Jeff "will listen to the new GM about changing the dimensions of Citi Field"..... doesn't sound convincing though , and I hope it doesn't change. I hope they don't hire a GM who's grand idea is "Hey, let's move in the fences!" That doesn't speak to me as a guy who's got a real solid plan for the future. I guess I wouldn't be totally opposed to moving them in a handful of feet if need be, but I kinda like the park as it. In fact, I think the park can be rather intimidating at times to other teams who may stumble into Goose Egg sweeps. Flipped on Francessa a bit before, figured talking Mets so i'd listen, see what's up. less time consuming than constantly refreshing twitter instead of working, but he was too annoying going on like he knows what season tickets holders are going to do and how they think and what Mets fans want.

Willets Point Oct 04 2010 02:11 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Edgy DC wrote: And yes, I know about Teufel. I was making my point about Francessa through the judicious exercise of irony. Ah good, I thought this was going to be another "Just look at him." Of course he's Jewish!

Edgy DC Oct 04 2010 02:14 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

I didn't really mean the gay thing either, you know.

Frayed Knot Oct 04 2010 02:15 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

metirish wrote: Francesa "Madoff didn't take on non-jewish clients" is that true? No, although, from what I've read, he did use the 'you can trust me because I'm one of you' sales pitch when targeting potential Jewish clients.

soupcan Oct 04 2010 02:32 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

What point was Francessa attempting to make when he said Madoff didn't take on non-Jews?

metirish Oct 04 2010 02:34 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

soupcan wrote: What point was Francessa attempting to make when he said Madoff didn't take on non-Jews? The caller IIRC had mentioned how hurt Fred was by Madoff, I believe Fred said something to that effect during the conference. What's funny is how certain Francesa is when he says things.

soupcan Oct 04 2010 02:54 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

So he only said it as an aside to show that he knows more than we do? Sounds right.

Frayed Knot Oct 04 2010 05:26 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Maybe the most brazen Francesa 'I know more than you' moment came on 9/11 As a Long Island resident he was the only one who could get in that day w/o needing a bridge so he took over directly from Imus's extended show that day and solo-ed throughout the afternoon. Obviously it wasn't a day to discuss sports but Mike, never one to limit his own expertise to just one area, didn't hesitate to tell his listening audience about how there was no doubt that the Pennsylvania plane was shot down by our government to prevent further damage and it's only a matter of time before those facts came to light and the rest of us were told what he already knew.

metirish Oct 05 2010 12:24 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Ron Darling on a conference call for TBS "I just think the Mets' problems go much deeper than letting go the manager and general manager," he said. "They let go some good people today, but that’s one step in about 25 steps that they’re going to have to try to complete."

Edgy DC Oct 05 2010 12:38 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Sheesh, everybody's so smart. What are the other 24, Ron?

soupcan Oct 05 2010 01:45 PM Re: I.P.C.T. (10/4/10)

Yeah - Ojeda had quite a bit of nothing to say on SNY last night too.