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SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Benjamin Grimm Oct 07 2010 07:47 AM

THE SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR PLAYER OF THE YEAR The Schaefer Mets Player of the Year for 2010 is DAVID WRIGHT. This is the fifth time David has won in the six years that the Crane Pool Forum has been maintaining the Schaefer tradition. Wright led the 2010 Mets in games (157), at bats (587), runs (87), doubles (36), home runs (29), runs batted in (103), caught stealing (11), slugging (.503), on base percentage (.354), total bases (295), sac flies (12), intentional walks (7), and his 161 strikeouts broke a record set by Dave Kingman back in 1982. PITCHER OF THE YEAR The Schaefer Mets Pitcher of the Year, for the third year in a row, is JOHAN SANTANA. Johan led the Mets in only two categories: complete games (4) and shutouts (2). Santana, whose season ended on September 2, finished at 11-9 with a 2.98 ERA. He finished less than 9 points ahead of R.A. Dickey, who led the Mets in ERA (2.84) and Mike Pelfrey, the Mets 15-game winner. Dickey, of course, didn't debut with the Mets until May 19, and Pelfrey was virtually shut out of Schaefer points in July, when he went 0-3 with a 10.02 ERA over 5 starts. RELIEF PITCHER OF THE YEAR The Mets reliever of the year is HISANORI TAKAHASHI. Takahashi totaled 52.48 points overall, but 23.67 of those points came as a starter. His 28.81 points from the bullpen were enough to outscore Pedro Feliciano (26.37) and Francisco Rodriguez, the team save leader, who scored 26.15. Takahashi saved 8 games for the Mets. In 41 games in relief, he was 6-2 in 57.1 innings,with an ERA of 2.04. FUN FACTS The highest point total earned by any one player in 2010 was the 5.99 and it was done twice: by Jon Niese on June 10 and by Johan Santana on July 6. The lowest "winning score" was the 0.70 that Jason Bay was awarded on May 1, in a 10-0 loss to Philadelphia. The most Schaefer Player of the Game awards went to Johan Santana, with 21. Strangely, players such as Ruben Tejada and Oliver Perez were Player of the Game more often than Jose Reyes. NUMBER OF SCHAEFER POTG WINS IN 2010 Johan Santana 21 R. A. Dickey 19 Mike Pelfrey 18 Jon Niese 17 David Wright 15 Angel Pagan 12 Hisanori Takahashi 8 Carlos Beltran 5 Jeff Francoeur 5 Jason Bay 5 Dillon Gee 5 Raul Valdes 4 John Maine 3 Pat Misch 3 Rod Barajas 3 Ruben Tejada 3 Oliver Perez 2 Alex Cora 2 Josh Thole 2 Henry Blanco 2 Ike Davis 2 José Reyes 1 Mike Jacobs 1 Luis Castillo 1 Ryota Igarashi 1 Jesus Feliciano 1 Luis Hernandez 1 Lucas Duda 1 Results for the little-known and little-publicized Player of the Week awards. David Wright won 6 times, and Jose Reyes was next with 4 wins. (He seems to do much better on a weekly basis than by day or by month.) 2010-04-10 Jeff Francoeur 6.47 2010-04-17 Mike Pelfrey 5.78 2010-04-24 José Reyes 5.86 2010-05-01 David Wright 5.92 2010-05-08 Rod Barajas 6.94 2010-05-15 Angel Pagan 5.49 2010-05-22 Mike Pelfrey 7.12 2010-05-29 Johan Santana 9.77 2010-06-05 David Wright 7.35 2010-06-12 Jon Niese 5.99 2010-06-19 José Reyes 9.20 2010-06-26 José Reyes 6.60 2010-07-03 David Wright 8.97 2010-07-10 Angel Pagan 8.10 2010-07-17 Jon Niese 4.88 2010-07-24 Johan Santana 8.51 2010-07-31 R. A. Dickey 9.15 2010-08-07 Johan Santana 6.41 2010-08-14 R. A. Dickey 5.96 2010-08-21 José Reyes 8.37 2010-08-28 David Wright 7.24 2010-09-04 David Wright 5.91 2010-09-11 Ike Davis 10.12 2010-09-18 Angel Pagan 6.80 2010-09-25 Lucas Duda 4.86 2010-10-02 David Wright 7.52 2010-10-09 Mike Pelfrey 3.83 Season-to-date totals for 2010 Through game of October 3, 2010 Rank Name Points 1 David Wright 117.56 2 Angel Pagan 92.15 3 Johan Santana 90.42 4 Ike Davis 86.55 5 José Reyes 83.25 6 R. A. Dickey 81.77 7 Mike Pelfrey 81.41 8 Jon Niese 66.78 9 Jeff Francoeur 57.99 10 Jason Bay 53.63 11 Hisanori Takahashi 52.48 12 Rod Barajas 34.72 13 Carlos Beltran 32.98 14 Josh Thole 30.51 15 Pedro Feliciano 26.37 16 Luis Castillo 26.19 17 Francisco Rodriguez 26.15 18 Raul Valdes 22.90 19 Chris Carter 22.35 20 Ruben Tejada 22.06 21 Elmer Dessens 20.15 22 Manny Acosta 19.21 23 Dillon Gee 16.94 24 Alex Cora 16.42 25 Bobby Parnell 15.09 26 Fernando Nieve 14.80 27 Lucas Duda 14.70 28 Pat Misch 14.42 29 Henry Blanco 12.60 30 Ryota Igarashi 12.25 31 Jenrry Mejia 10.91 32 John Maine 9.95 33 Oliver Perez 9.79 34 Jesus Feliciano 8.14 35 Mike Hessman 6.51 36 Luis Hernandez 6.41 37 Nick Evans 5.67 38 Gary Matthews 4.49 39 Fernando Tatis 3.82 40 Sean Green 2.73 41 Frank Catalanotto 2.12 41 Joaquin Arias 2.12 43 Mike Jacobs 2.05 44 Fernando Martinez 1.84 45 Tobi Stoner 1.09 46 Justin Turner 0.47 47 Mike Nickeas 0.30 And that's it! If I'm so motivated (and I probably will be), Schaefer voting will resume in April of 2011! See you then!

TransMonk Oct 07 2010 08:13 AM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Great job Grimm! I don't participate in this much, but I do enjoy the results.

Ashie62 Oct 07 2010 08:51 AM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Absoultely great work! Vote early and often.

Edgy MD Oct 07 2010 09:12 AM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Special congratulations to Takahashi. He earned it. Congratulations to all releivers for surviving Jerry and getting no respect for it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 07 2010 10:38 AM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

It feels like there should be some sort of postseason support group for the 'penners-- with Pedro as group leader-- doesn't it?

Edgy MD Oct 07 2010 10:47 AM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

"OK, guys, before we begin, let us bow our heads and pray for Nieve, wherever he is."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 07 2010 11:22 AM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Yeah, thrilled that Takahashi pulled out that reliever award. In the Non-Schaeffer World, I 'd say we got 2 of 3 correct. (I kinda like Dickey over Johan slightly)

Edgy MD Oct 07 2010 11:27 AM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

I kinda like Pagan over Wright. But we don't score the daily defensive contributions as aggressively, I gather.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 07 2010 11:33 AM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

And that's partly due to after-the-fact/straight-from-the-box-score voting, I'd imagine.

seawolf17 Oct 07 2010 12:00 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: And that's partly due to after-the-fact/straight-from-the-box-score voting, I'd imagine. That's the biggest reason why I don't vote as much as I do. If I haven't seen some chunk of the game -- even just a few innings -- I usually don't vote because I'm afraid I'm leaving off a big double play or sac bunt (HA!) or something.

Edgy MD Oct 07 2010 12:10 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Even in such cases, I try to catch the video on mets.com, and award excellence accordingly. But the day-to-day stuff --- where (to mine eyes) Pagan is a very-good-to-excellent centerfielder and Wright merely a fair third baseman --- hasn't been well represented in my voting, I'm afraid.

bmfc1 Oct 07 2010 12:24 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Beautiful presentation, BG.

Willets Point Oct 07 2010 12:34 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Edgy DC wrote: But the day-to-day stuff --- where (to mine eyes) Pagan is a very-good-to-excellent centerfielder and Wright merely a fair third baseman --- hasn't been well represented in my voting, I'm afraid. Pagan never called you "my man" and wished you a happy wedding day.

metsmarathon Oct 07 2010 12:38 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

i think the most difficult thing for schaeffer-voting to capture is rangeyness for defenders, particularly the lack of range. rangey outfielders may get rewarded for getting to na unlikely ball, but a ball that a rangey of could get to, but an unrangey of cannot is rarely counted against him. ditto for infielders, though that may be more readily determined. like any ball which subsequently shall land within 3' of a dugout railing. we can surely say from now on that ike woulda got it, so those should be accounted for by those non-ikes who do not get it.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 07 2010 12:39 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

It is a shame, though, that Angel didn't win any monthly awards this year and thereby didn't get his card in the array-o-winners up above. I'll give him an honorable shout-out here: It also looks like the 1977 Topps series got skipped over, too.

Frayed Knot Oct 07 2010 12:45 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yeah, thrilled that Takahashi pulled out that reliever award. He quickly rises to the best Takahashi the Mets ever had. In the Non-Schaeffer World, I 'd say we got 2 of 3 correct. (I kinda like Dickey over Johan slightly) Fortunately we'll also have a venue to discuss points like that this winter.

Edgy MD Oct 07 2010 12:57 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Willets Point wrote: Edgy DC wrote: But the day-to-day stuff --- where (to mine eyes) Pagan is a very-good-to-excellent centerfielder and Wright merely a fair third baseman --- hasn't been well represented in my voting, I'm afraid. Pagan never called you "my man" and wished you a happy wedding day. A more-than-excellent point.

metsmarathon Oct 07 2010 01:06 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

i'd like to stand up and preemptively come out in favor of the notion that schaeffer voting does not necessarily fall in line with conventional value assessments of players. the schaeffer player of the year need not be the most WARest, or WPAest, or wOBAest, or win sharest (are win shares relevent still, or have we moved past them?) player. i like that it offers a relativistic look at the sum total of player of the game contributions. it is a unique look at player performance. who cares if it doesn't account for a guy single handedly blowing a 9 run lead in the 9th. it doesn't need to. it measures, instead, how often and how much a player contributes to winning individual games. i like it for that. david wright contributed more and more often to winning games than did any other metly player. i can live with that. do we not adequately capture defensive and relieving contributions? eh, maybe. but that's a different argument.

Edgy MD Oct 07 2010 01:26 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Another excellent point. And as a means to the end of these tastey-assed cards? What a contest!

Benjamin Grimm Oct 07 2010 01:32 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

metsmarathon wrote: i'd like to stand up and preemptively come out in favor of the notion that schaeffer voting does not necessarily fall in line with conventional value assessments of players. the schaeffer player of the year need not be the most WARest, or WPAest, or wOBAest, or win sharest (are win shares relevent still, or have we moved past them?) player. i like that it offers a relativistic look at the sum total of player of the game contributions. it is a unique look at player performance. who cares if it doesn't account for a guy single handedly blowing a 9 run lead in the 9th. it doesn't need to. it measures, instead, how often and how much a player contributes to winning individual games. i like it for that. david wright contributed more and more often to winning games than did any other metly player. i can live with that. do we not adequately capture defensive and relieving contributions? eh, maybe. but that's a different argument. Yes, Schaefer is definitely a throwback measurement, based on a promotional gimmick from the 1970's.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2010 02:09 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Pagan's total WAR for 2010 is 4.7. David Wright's offensive WAR is 4.7 -- but Wright's defensive WAR is -0.8, bringing his total WAR to 3.9.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2010 02:13 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

bmfc1 wrote: Beautiful presentation, BG. I agree. I would like to suggest a Topps Rookie trophy on Ike's card; the older version with the batter instead of the cup trophy.

metirish Oct 07 2010 02:17 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

seawolf17 wrote: That's the biggest reason why I don't vote as much as I do. . QUE

G-Fafif Oct 07 2010 02:18 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

The PotG MVP is clearly Mr. Grimm. Thanks for doing this, from the spreadsheets to the cards. 6.0 to you.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 07 2010 02:22 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

The PotG MVP is clearly Mr. Grimm. Thanks for doing this, from the spreadsheets to the cards. 6.0 to you. Thanks! And thanks to all the voters, regular and irregular! No matter the state of your bowels, all voters are appreciated! I agree. I would like to suggest a Topps Rookie trophy on Ike's card; the older version with the batter instead of the cup trophy. That's a good idea, but I'm afraid the 1976 card would have to have the cup: If it was a 1972 card, however...

G-Fafif Oct 07 2010 02:26 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

batmagadanleadoff wrote: bmfc1 wrote: Beautiful presentation, BG. I agree. I would like to suggest a Topps Rookie trophy on Ike's card; the older version with the batter instead of the cup trophy. Wonder how often Omir Santos stares at his cup.

Edgy MD Oct 07 2010 02:28 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Could a man have more eyebrow and still play ball? I don't think so.

seawolf17 Oct 07 2010 02:30 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Edgy DC wrote: Could a man have more eyebrow and still play ball? I don't think so. The answer is, of course, none... none more eyebrow.

seawolf17 Oct 07 2010 02:31 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Benjamin Grimm wrote: No matter the state of your bowels, all voters are appreciated! Was that a shot at the fact that I just dropped a 102-point LAXATIVE bomb on you? edit: No, wait, that was Willets.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2010 02:32 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

The PotG MVP is clearly Mr. Grimm. Thanks for doing this, from the spreadsheets to the cards. 6.0 to you. Thanks! And thanks to all the voters, regular and irregular! No matter the state of your bowels, all voters are appreciated! I agree. I would like to suggest a Topps Rookie trophy on Ike's card; the older version with the batter instead of the cup trophy. That's a good idea, but I'm afraid the 1976 card would have to have the cup: If it was a 1972 card, however... I was aware of that when I recommended the Topps trophy. But I was hoping you wouldn't be so historically accurate when considering my suggestion.

themetfairy Oct 07 2010 02:35 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

G-Fafif wrote: The PotG MVP is clearly Mr. Grimm. Thanks for doing this, from the spreadsheets to the cards. 6.0 to you. Agreed!

Zvon Oct 07 2010 02:46 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 08 2010 09:18 PM

The rookie cup sucked. The trophy is the only way to go. Artistic license says going with the trophy no matter the year is totally acceptable, and even super kool for the cup years.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2010 07:10 AM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

The PotG MVP is clearly Mr. Grimm. Thanks for doing this, from the spreadsheets to the cards. 6.0 to you. Thanks! And thanks to all the voters, regular and irregular! No matter the state of your bowels, all voters are appreciated! I agree. I would like to suggest a Topps Rookie trophy on Ike's card; the older version with the batter instead of the cup trophy. That's a good idea, but I'm afraid the 1976 card would have to have the cup: If it was a 1972 card, however... I see that the tall Topps big trophy with the batter on top is going to cause all sorts of historical havoc: that trophy includes the year when the rookie award was issued. So even if you give Ike a new card, consistent with the years when Topps used the big batter trophy, like say a 1972 card for example, the year "2010" should be "engraved" on Ike's trophy -- and 2010 would be inconsistent with whatever baseball card template you would use for Ike's new card. So don't bother. You might blow up the world or something, like when some time traveler goes back in time to a date before he was born and kills his grandfather. Just play it safe and put a cup trophy on Ike's '76.

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 08 2010 08:45 AM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

Absolutely loving those cards -- and kudos for the 1977 Pagan. My fave: the 1974 Dickey!

Zvon Oct 08 2010 09:18 PM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

never mind.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2010 04:41 AM Re: SCHAEFER METS PLAYERS OF THE YEAR 2010

I think they stopped including a trophy with a figure on top when Bill Buckner took his bat and whacked the top off of his.