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Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 03:01 PM

Great old-fashioned pitching duel between Lincecum and Halladay will be perfect as, thanks to Cablevision and Fox, I will be taking it in on a staticky AM broadcast.

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 03:09 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Game time forecast at Citizens Bank Park: 56 degrees and, as on Fox via Cablevision, dark. GIANTS Torres CF Sanchez 2B Huff 1B Posey C Burrell LF Uribe SS Fontenot 3B Ross RF Lincecum P PHILLIES Victorino CF Polanco 3B Utley 2B Howard 1B Werth RF Rollins SS Ibanez LF Ruiz C Halladay P

Willets Point Oct 16 2010 03:28 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I think a lot of you will join in me in watching via atdhe.net tonight.

Willets Point Oct 16 2010 06:27 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

1 hit in two innings so far. I love NL baseball.

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 06:28 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I love Willets Point for the invaluable tip -- 15 seconds between video and ESPN Radio, not ideal when I'm paying plenty for Cablevision, but postseason times call for postseason measures.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2010 06:36 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I always liked that Cody Ross boy.

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 06:37 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I always liked that Cody Ross boy. Salt of the earth.

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 06:38 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Not phond of the bottom of this Phillie order.

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 06:48 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Too much rest between starts, even for these Pitchelangelos. Next time you clinch early...barnstorm.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2010 06:53 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Lincecum's bending like the beams on a storm-tossed schooner right now. I have nervous.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 16 2010 07:13 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I wonder if Phillies fans hated Cody Ross as much as we Met fans did before tonight.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2010 07:14 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

G-Fafif wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I always liked that Cody Ross boy. Salt of the earth. Never met finer.

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 07:17 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I wonder if Phillies fans hated Cody Ross as much as we Met fans did before tonight. Let's see how long it takes Ross to leave the CBP field after he ends Philly's season.

metirish Oct 16 2010 07:30 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The San Fran radio crew are just freaking great.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2010 07:34 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

2 out rungasm!

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 07:38 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Uribe fails to show Jetership on grounder.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2010 07:42 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Yeah, you'll get a little of that when you start a 6'2" bucket of free-swinging tubs at short in anything but a video game. There's a little of the slo-pitch softball team to this Giants infield defense, isn't there?

Willets Point Oct 16 2010 07:43 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The forces of evil are rallying.

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 07:48 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Willets Point wrote: The forces of evil are rallying. MFYs must be over Philadelphia airspace.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2010 07:50 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Oh, do STFD, Chooch, or CharlieRoo, or whatever cutesy-poo nickname the drunks have stuck on you.

metirish Oct 16 2010 07:57 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Lincecum has a blister the radio guys are saying, still pitching.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2010 08:02 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Tiny strike zone isn't helping. (For both starters, really-- it's just that the Phils are actually working the small zone, while the Giants make wind.) "GBA" performer of the evening: fifth-grade trumpet prodigy Jeffrey Galante. Charming and well-done. H/T, Phillies.

Fman99 Oct 16 2010 08:07 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Agreed, the trumpeting kid had some game. In other news, if you're swinging a towel around for three hours, at any sporting event, you're a fucktard.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2010 08:12 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Lincecum's at 110... but cruising. Do you go IronMan here, or go to your LOOGYs for Utley, et. al.?

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 08:21 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Fman99 wrote: In other news, if you're swinging a towel around for three hours, at any sporting event, you're a fucktard. Fman: A Jeff Foxworthy for the 2010s.

Fman99 Oct 16 2010 08:23 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Javier Lopez, retires Utley and Howard. Earn your LOOGY money, good for you. Four outs left.

metirish Oct 16 2010 08:24 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Kuiper and Fleming saying " fear the beard coming in".....

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 08:26 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

If the Beard can get somebody out, Brian Wilson can make significant gains in the Wilson competition.

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 08:26 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Bring in Wilson Pickett. Or Tennis Balls.

Fman99 Oct 16 2010 08:27 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Brian Wilson looks Reardon-esque out there with the beard.

metirish Oct 16 2010 08:30 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I just can't help but think he looks like Will Ferrell playing James Lipton......

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 08:30 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Towels up your arse Philadelphia!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2010 08:33 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Go, Henry Rollins in Wooly Willy drag!

Fman99 Oct 16 2010 08:41 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

This is my favorite Brad Lidge.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2010 08:57 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Ibanez sat down, Joanie-loves-Choochie weasels his way on via HBP, and Gload-- after making a loud liner of a strike two-- goes down swinging. Dick Torino, for the ballgame.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2010 08:58 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 16 2010 09:00 PM

96 right down the pipe, past a Flailing Hawaiian. That's Sheriff Wooly Willy to you.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 16 2010 08:59 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Fman99 wrote: Brian Wilson looks Reardon-esque out there with the beard. Life-like hair.

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 09:02 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Brian Wilson at least as good as Woodrow tonight.

Edgy DC Oct 16 2010 09:05 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Fman99 wrote: Brian Wilson looks Reardon-esque out there with the beard. Life-like hair. Someday I'm breaking into the UMDB and replacing their Jeff Reardon shot with that one.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 17 2010 05:04 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

My goons are on alert!

G-Fafif Oct 17 2010 06:43 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Dan Shulman, ESPN Radio, just said some compare Jonathan Sanchez to Sid Fernandez. Nice to know we're sort of represented in the NLCS. And by "we're," I'm willfully ignoring Brian Schneider and Wilson Valdez.

G-Fafif Oct 17 2010 06:44 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Sure enough, Sanchez walks in a run. Somewhere El Sid is utterly unbothered.

G-Fafif Oct 17 2010 06:45 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

And Guillermo Mota -- he's up in the Giant pen. He comes in and I revert to neutrality in this series.

Willets Point Oct 17 2010 07:39 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

No offense, mental errors on the field....why did no one tell me the Mets were playing the Phillies tonight?

Willets Point Oct 17 2010 07:44 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Cody Ross, NLCS MVP in the making.

Frayed Knot Oct 17 2010 07:46 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

It's amazing that networks think those in-dugout interviews help enrich their broadcasts and deliciously ironic when they miss a game-tying, no-hit breaking HR because of one.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 17 2010 08:08 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Frayed Knot wrote: It's amazing that networks think those in-dugout interviews help enrich their broadcasts and deliciously ironic when they miss a game-tying, no-hit breaking HR because of one. Just Fox, really.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2010 08:25 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

TBS was doing those taped/between-inning chats too the other day, as does ESPN during their Sunday Night telecasts - although the purpose of that seems to be to show off how tight Joe Morgan is with whoever they're chatting with. The bottom line is that those gab-fests are rarely if ever illuminating ["So, your guy looks to be throwing his fastball real good tonight" ... "Yeah, he's throwing his fastball read good"] but the powers at be seem to think they're indispensable to the point where if they wind up stepping on a big live moment so be it. Things I just realized yesterday: - Even with the longer series, Barry Zito was once again left off the SF roster for this round. Granted he was the 5th wheel on a team with their pitching but his season wasn't THAT bad and it seems to me he could come in useful if the staff gets in a spot, although I guess they felt like they needed more 'true' relievers and with the rate Bochy's going through his pen they're probably right. - Cody Ross is one of those lefty throwing/righty swinging oddities.

bmfc1 Oct 18 2010 09:21 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

These morons aren't even happy when they're winning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4sYObMx ... _embedded#!

HahnSolo Oct 18 2010 10:01 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

These morons aren't even happy when they're winning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4sYObMx ... _embedded#! Oh, this is glorious. Some highlights: - Douche in road Phils jersey asking to be punched in the face at :12. Sure enough, someone eventually obliges. - Smartest guys in the vid are the two seen at :14, wearing their leather football helmets to the game. - Love the guy at :25, who has apparently picked up his little girl and carried her closer to the fight, I guess to get a better view? - Security guy with a grey white guy fro? Security guy with a grey white guy fro. (1:34)

Willets Point Oct 18 2010 10:04 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Oh sure, like there's never a fight at a Mets game. If you rabbithole though there's a great video of a Phillie phan puking on the phield. Uh, field.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2010 02:40 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Rowand and Renteria... and NO Sandoval? C'mon, Big Head. Give a brother some FatPanda.

G-Fafif Oct 19 2010 03:00 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Dan Shulman and Dave Campbell > Joe Buck and Tim McCarver. Eff Cablevision. Eff Fox.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2010 03:08 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

With 4 Ks and 2 baserunners allowed through 3, Matt Cain is Santa Cruzin'. Unfortunately, so far, so is Ol' Two-Power... who's faced the minimum number of hitters through 3. That's right, he's got a no-hitter so far. No-hitters in the playoffs are rare, so it would be an acheivement for him to match his teammate's no-hitter with a no-hitter of his own. No-hitter.

Gwreck Oct 19 2010 03:25 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

LWFS's work appears to have done the trick, as Edgar Renteria singles to lead off the bottom of the 4th.

G-Fafif Oct 19 2010 03:29 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Rooting for a team that includes Pat Burrell, Cody Ross and Matt Cain. That team could only be playing one of two teams.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2010 03:31 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

And judging from Renteria's, Rowand's, Huff's and Uribe's presences in the lineup, that team is apparently playing in 2002.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2010 03:34 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Fine, fine boy, that Ross.

Gwreck Oct 19 2010 03:35 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I really have a hard time rooting for Cody Ross but he's doing such a good job dismantling the Phillies that I guess I can overlook it...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2010 03:47 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Joking aside... I have NO problem rooting for Matt Cain, who's now pitching an official game (5K, 2BB, 2 H through 5).

G-Fafif Oct 19 2010 03:55 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

And his name is Dan Uggla! Or Chase Utley. In the field, hard to tell them apart.

G-Fafif Oct 19 2010 04:11 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Cody Ross playing in front of the equivalent of five home crowds that he's used to.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 19 2010 04:27 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Cain is able to get outta the 7h. whew

G-Fafif Oct 19 2010 04:27 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Cain through seven, no runs, 119 pitches, presumably done. Fabulous (though he shouldn't have [crossout:3sk96dgo]taunted[/crossout:3sk96dgo] reacted to the Citi Field crowd when they booed him for beaning Wright).

G-Fafif Oct 19 2010 05:01 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Three-man, three-hit shutout! Phillies down 2-1. I mean Giants up 2-1.

G-Fafif Oct 19 2010 05:22 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Brian Wilson called it a "marvelous pitching duel". How Dickeyesque.

G-Fafif Oct 19 2010 05:26 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Matt Yallof on MLBN -- didn't care for him on SNY. Still don't care for him. Nor Matt Vasgersian. No offense to the Matts of the world, but they suck at this particular discipline.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 19 2010 08:00 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

"How glib. You're being... glib."

MFS62 Oct 20 2010 09:54 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

On radio, one of the announcers quipped that Wilson led the NL with 48 saves, then added that he made his manager nervous in 46 of them. The other guy (Soup Campbell?) added (a close paraphrase) "That's like when Earl Weaver had Tim Stoddard closing for him. He would go through an entire pack of cigarettes during the ninth inning." Later

Edgy DC Oct 20 2010 10:03 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The notinon of stress-free saves are an illusion, the pursuit of which has caused an endless number of counterproductive personnel decisions. Brian Wilson has stressed his manager all the way to the brink of the World Series. You want stress-free baseball, study yoga and meditation, and pursue detachment. Achiefe a state in which you overcome your attachment to desire for things, people, or concepts of the world and thus attain a heightened perspective. Don't rag on your closer. Or, God help me, your "eighth-inning guy."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 20 2010 10:12 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Well, to be fair, Bochy's not ragging on the closer. "To be fair" part two: Wilson's part of the 80 percent of closers who actually do put runners on base more often than not (7+ hits/9, 3+ BB/9). [To rebut that bit, though: he's also had his most dominant year in the saddle during each those 48 "shaky" saves, and his K-rates have climbed each of the last three seasons to a Ryan-y 11.2 K/9 this year.]

Edgy DC Oct 20 2010 10:30 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Well, I wasn't speaking of Bochy per se, but those like the two announcers intellectually putting themselves in the place of those managers, and holding those closers responsible for stress created. Cigarettes, saves... a jedi craves not these things.

Vic Sage Oct 20 2010 10:44 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

i think it's interesting to look at closers in terms of their WHIP, to derive some sort of "alka seltzer" quotient. Going back the last 3 seasons, only 1 pitcher in baseball has gotten over 30 saves per season, with a WHIP of 1.00 of less each of those years (I bet you can guess who!). In addition to the inimitable Mr. Rivera, Joe Nathan has done it 2 of the last 3 seasons (he was on the DL this year -- go Seawolves!). Even if you lower the floor to 25 saves a season, you only add Billy Wagner and the unsung Andrew Bailey, who've both done it 2 of the last 3 seasons. So, yes, its a ridiculously small percentage of closers who can consistently be counted on to give you a clean 9th inning. And holding all relievers up to that standard will inevitably cause agita, to managers and fans alike. And far worse than agita, such unrealistic expectations by management can lead (as Edgy has already noted) to disastrous personnel decisions.

Frayed Knot Oct 20 2010 10:52 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

As I pointed out in another thread a month or two back, less than 1/3 of all saves (1-inning saves anyway) are done with perfect 1-2-3 innings. So, going on the idea that a baserunner - any baserunner: via walk, hit, HR, etc. - makes a fan nervous in a 1, 2, or 3 run game, then "nervous" is much closer to the norm than the exception.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 20 2010 11:21 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Vic Sage wrote: i think it's interesting to look at closers in terms of their WHIP, to derive some sort of "alka seltzer" quotient. Going back the last 3 seasons, only 1 pitcher in baseball has gotten over 30 saves per season, with a WHIP of 1.00 of less each of those years (I bet you can guess who!). In addition to the inimitable Mr. Rivera, Joe Nathan has done it 2 of the last 3 seasons (he was on the DL this year -- go Seawolves!). Even if you lower the floor to 25 saves a season, you only add Billy Wagner and the unsung Andrew Bailey, who've both done it 2 of the last 3 seasons. So, yes, its a ridiculously small percentage of closers who can consistently be counted on to give you a clean 9th inning. And holding all relievers up to that standard will inevitably cause agita, to managers and fans alike. And far worse than agita, such unrealistic expectations by management can lead (as Edgy has already noted) to disastrous personnel decisions. Agreed on the general point... but Wilson's 1.17 WHIP this year was actually his career low by a LOT, and lowered his career baserunners-per-IP to just under 1.3. Which is closer to major-league average for everybody than for end-of-game/setup relievers.

Vic Sage Oct 20 2010 12:36 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

i wasn't commenting on Wilson in particular. And, of course, you could use whatever cutoff for WHIP that one can make a logical argument for. But what i think is interesting is the general lack of consistency you'll find among even the "best" closers, in terms of their annual WHIP, even if they're consistently getting 25+ saves a year. The point is that too many fans, managers and general managers overvalue the "closer", because its as much a function of opportunity and luck as it is any particular moral virtue. With the rare exception of Mr. Rivera in the current era, even the best ones can cause stress, because they are most likely pitching the last inning of a close game. which is why tying up big $$ in guys who pitch 50 innings a year is stupid... stupid as a bunt.

Edgy DC Oct 20 2010 12:50 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

And nobody churns stomache acid over the saves the other teams' closers pile up. So you look at Francisco Rodriguez, you see him break 60 saves, and it's all good. Then you drop a ton of money signing him and things are different.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 20 2010 07:07 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

You know that supremely annoying Maddux thing where he gives hitters something to whack, only it's placed so that he can't whack it fair? Bumgartner's got that mojo working.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 20 2010 07:24 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Yanking Bumgartner after 4 2/3 IP/80-something pitches?

seawolf17 Oct 20 2010 07:26 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: You know that supremely annoying Maddux thing where he gives hitters something to whack, only it's placed so that he can't whack it fair? Bumgartner's got that mojo working. Plus, he makes silly faces when he pitches.

Frayed Knot Oct 20 2010 08:25 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Yanking Bumgartner after 4 2/3 IP/80-something pitches? Yeah, I thought that was a bit premature also. He was having some trouble there in the 5th, but I would have trusted him to get one more out and his replacement only made it worse. This might have been the type of game where you could go to Zito for a few innings. But the Giants fought back and are in the lead in the 7th.

metsmarathon Oct 20 2010 08:32 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

the mphph do gba way better than the mfy

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2010 08:54 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

You hafta wonder whether Joe Buck ever gets sick of himself. I hate him. The radio guys, Dave Shulman (?) and Soupy Campbell, were pretty good.

Edgy DC Oct 20 2010 09:00 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

No out and runner on second. Billies are gonna phunt here, right?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 20 2010 09:02 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Howard leadoff double does present a monkeywrench. Romo on now to [crossout:35iniabo]overthrow Batista[/crossout:35iniabo] face Werth.

Edgy DC Oct 20 2010 09:03 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Kadubble! A punch in the face to playing for the tie.

Edgy DC Oct 20 2010 09:25 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

We're in the ninth and tied. San Francisco has gone to Wilson. Knedrick, Romero, and Lidge left for the Phillies. Let's see if Manuel holds Lidge out.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2010 09:28 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Oswalt on to pitch the 9th. This hasn't been the best-played game ever but it's been fun to experience

Willets Point Oct 20 2010 09:30 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Aubrey Huff is due.

Willets Point Oct 20 2010 09:31 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Bring him home Buster.

Edgy DC Oct 20 2010 09:31 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Chilli Vanilli, it's Roy Oswalt.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2010 09:34 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Posey is just sick

Willets Point Oct 20 2010 09:34 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Uribe, you be de man.

Willets Point Oct 20 2010 09:38 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

At least there's one happy result today. I want the pennant winners decided by Friday.

Edgy DC Oct 20 2010 09:38 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

And that's that. We're gonna have some West Coast World Series ball. Hang in there, San Andreas.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2010 09:39 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Phils fans gotta feel like Met fans a little tonight.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 20 2010 09:41 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

And that thought nourishes me a little. Is that wrong?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2010 09:54 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

No, it's good. The 2-out runs surrendered, the baserunning fuckups, the loss on the road in extras, the Cody Ross... It's all gonna help.

Edgy DC Oct 21 2010 05:45 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Is Manuel going to hear (has he already?) it for going to Oswalt with Lidge still in his pocket?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 21 2010 09:00 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Of the many things my Phils fan familiars are kvetching about-- both via text and on Facebook-- that ain't one of them. Plus, it's not like Oswalt is Dessens. You'd generally RATHER have him in there over Lidge.

Edgy DC Oct 21 2010 09:09 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Yeah, but Davey Johnson certainly heard it for going to Gooden out of the pen in 1988. That "unfamiliar with relieving/out of his element/not on his usual rest" angle.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 21 2010 09:12 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Yeah, but Oswalt's usual throw day was yesterday, if I'm counting right (started last Sunday, starting again this weekend if necessary). And also, we were all a little stupider then.

Edgy DC Oct 21 2010 09:36 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I'm just saying that it seems like one of those perfectly defensible moves that fans nonetheless use convenient logic to rip the manager for when they don't work.

Frayed Knot Oct 21 2010 09:42 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The only snag in the 'yesterday was Oswalt's throw day' logic is that he had already done his throwing earlier. Usually if you're going to use a pitcher in those circumstances you delay his throwing so as to keep him fresher. That said, some writers were trying to hang Cholly with the logic that his willingness to use Oswalt clashed with his earlier decision to NOT go with Halladay (and by extension everyone else) on short rest and skip Blanton all together - I guess based on the assumption that if he's going to act desperate he should have done so earlier. I don't buy that.

MFS62 Oct 21 2010 09:47 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

It was a logical move to go with Oswalt. If the game stays tied for several innings, you'd like to use a starter there. Then, if you take the lead, you bring in your closer. Later

Edgy DC Oct 21 2010 10:00 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I just think he should use his better relievers first, while he still has a few batters to hit for them if their turn comes around. Go for a starter when you're ready to use him for a three-four inning stretch --- either for a third inning bailout or an extra inning war of attrition.

Ashie62 Oct 21 2010 10:55 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Ooh, Cablevision, Ashie cannot watch, it's UCLA-Oregon for me.

Willets Point Oct 21 2010 02:22 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I expect a double no-hitter into the 10th inning.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 21 2010 02:25 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

If I was a Giants fan, I'd be giddy with anticipation. If I was a Phillies fan, I'd be filled with nervous apprehension. (I'd also be an ill-tempered thug, but that's another story.)

Kong76 Oct 21 2010 04:00 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

It just occurs to me that this is the first year in probably four decades that I haven't seen one pitch of the NCLS live on tv. A hearty fuck you to the Murdochs and Dolans of this world.

Willets Point Oct 21 2010 06:13 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Kong: atdhe.net is your friend. Giants up 1-0 in the first.

Kong76 Oct 21 2010 06:19 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I get the commercial and then get a connection refused error. I have Cablevision for internet too, maybe it's blocked somehow.

Kong76 Oct 21 2010 06:44 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I clicked on three other things on that site and my firewall software lit up like an xmas tree ... what did ya send me in to get fried, Willets?

Frayed Knot Oct 21 2010 06:57 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Pretty sloppy game so far with neither pitcher all that sharp. 3-1 Phils thru 2-1/2

Fman99 Oct 21 2010 07:16 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

All-time Met fan fave Cody Ross with a double in the corner, now 3-2 Philthies.

Edgy DC Oct 21 2010 07:37 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Eat it, baby. I'm pulling for the Philharmonics.

Ashie62 Oct 21 2010 07:37 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Kong76 wrote: I get the commercial and then get a connection refused error. I have Cablevision for internet too, maybe it's blocked somehow. Same here....Oregon 15 UCLA 0

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 21 2010 07:56 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Edgy DC wrote: Eat it, baby. I'm pulling for the Philharmonics. Whaaaaaa?

Edgy DC Oct 21 2010 08:08 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

They never puked on my kid. Pinch-hitting time here?

Edgy DC Oct 21 2010 08:09 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Lineout DP ends the rally, but takes Halladay out of the game. Post-season baseball here, baby.

Fman99 Oct 21 2010 08:09 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

NICE DP there to keep it at 3-2, Huff stabs the line drive and doubles off the runner. Good stuff, let's get into that soft underbelly of a Phillies bullpen.

Fman99 Oct 21 2010 08:10 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Holy shit, this woman singing "God Bless America" has Decatur, Illinois on top of her fucking head. She can belt it though.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 21 2010 08:12 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The weird thing is, I was SO close to wearing MY neckbreaking city-diorama hat tonight. Wouldn't I have been embarrassed!

The Second Spitter Oct 21 2010 08:27 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Mutley!

Edgy DC Oct 21 2010 08:33 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Wow, a pitching change with Chase Utley coming up. You don't see that every day. Oh, wait, you do.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 21 2010 08:55 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Cody Ross really screwed this game for the Giants.

G-Fafif Oct 21 2010 09:12 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Second atdhe.net feed is Fox En Espanol, almost perfectly synced, somehow, to ESPN Radio. Or I could listen in Spanish.

G-Fafif Oct 21 2010 09:13 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Ay caramba! Los Phillies don't lose.

Fman99 Oct 21 2010 09:17 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Boo

Frayed Knot Oct 21 2010 10:08 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I'm not as invested in this one - rooting wise anyway - as I am in the AL series so the Philly win tonight just guarantees us NL playoff baseball into the weekend and I'm OK with that. The AL series, on the other hand, needs to end ASAP. I want a Texas lead so big by the 2nd inning that the Yanx forfeit rather than sustain the embarrassment.

The Second Spitter Oct 22 2010 02:29 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

G-Fafif wrote: Second atdhe.net feed is Fox En Espanol, almost perfectly synced, somehow, to ESPN Radio. Or I could listen in Spanish. Shane Victorino es un gilipollas.

HahnSolo Oct 22 2010 06:41 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Lee v. Halladay, game one at CBP Wednesday night?

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2010 07:23 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

As long as it's Lee vs somebody, somewhere I'm OK with it.

Ashie62 Oct 22 2010 07:48 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Halladay has a pulled groin, hopefully his own.

Willets Point Oct 22 2010 10:10 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Frayed Knot wrote: The AL series, on the other hand, needs to end ASAP. I want a Texas lead so big by the 2nd inning that the Yanx forfeit rather than sustain the embarrassment. Ditto.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2010 08:10 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 22 2010 08:22 PM

Game 6 of this series is sked for 3:30 Sat afternoon on FOX with the AL game at night ... but if this AL series ends tonight, are they going to pull one of those deals were they switch this to the night-time slot instead? Just trying to plan my busy life.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 22 2010 08:21 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Yes, they will move it to the night slot if/when the MFYs go home.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2010 09:10 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

OK, now I'm all in on San Fran Was hedging my bets thinking that Philly might be better anti-MFY venom but now that excuse it OUTTA HERE

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 22 2010 09:45 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Yup.

G-Fafif Oct 22 2010 09:50 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The good news: The MFYs lose...THUUUUUUHHHHHH MFYs LOSE! The bad news: I may have just watched my last baseball game of 2010 on good, old regular television. Go Giants, wherever I have to find you.

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 07:17 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Was that a bench-clearing brawl before they cut to commercials?

HahnSolo Oct 23 2010 07:30 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Unable to watch...how bad was Sanchez that he was lifted in a 2-2 game?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 23 2010 07:38 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I missed the altercation too. Whappen?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2010 07:54 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Nonstarter. Verbal slapfight between Sanchez and Utley after some post-HBP weirdness (Sanchez hit him after walking La Cabeza Grande; ball bounced in front of Utley as he ran to first; Utley scooped it and tossed it to Sanchez; Sanchez got pissy and Utley got dismissive and cursed at him). Sanchez gave way-- by Bochy fiat, not umpire decision-- to Affeldt, who worked his way out of the two-on, nobody-out dilemma left him. Turning out to look pretty prescient on Bochy's part.

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 07:58 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The Phillies have the bases loaded with 2 outs and Victirino at the plate. Shut 'em down!

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 07:58 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Whew! Weak tapper to the mound.

bmfc1 Oct 23 2010 08:00 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

For those of you that can't see the game on FOX, you've missed seeing the Direct TV commercial (Direct TV is owned by FOX Corp.) of the guy shooting a dart into the neck of the movie operator... about a bazillion times.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2010 08:09 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

"Just a disgusting display of the shadiness that ensues from "vertical integration" with these big telecommunications conglomerates, and another example of FOX putting the dollar way ahead of-- oh, wait, I only get fake-righteously-indignant when a guy pretends to pull his pants down after scoring a big touchdown. Never mind."

metsmarathon Oct 23 2010 08:16 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

anybody else ever notice how uncomfortably close those two get at the open of the game? it's just plain icky.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2010 08:18 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I'd imagine at least half of Buck's wooden demeanor is due to his attempting to simultaneously call the game and hold his breath to avoid Tim's old-man/Bryllcream-y smell. In game action... a cheeky/cheap Renteria attempt to sell a "HBP" (really, a foul tip) is futile, and he ends up grounding into a funkily-turned 4-3 DP to end the inning/rally. Fun, tight game so far, really.

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 08:24 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Giants pitchers keep getting out of jams. Something's got to give.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2010 08:39 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Same with the Phils hurlers, though-- the crowd just doesn't cheer as loud when they've got pressure on 'em. Hope the Kalas kid's middle name isn't, like, Kyle.

Fman99 Oct 23 2010 08:52 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Hey, Giants, feel free to score a run and shut up these towel waving cretin.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2010 08:53 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

They seem to go a little quiet for the Ross ABs, no?

Fman99 Oct 23 2010 08:55 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

[bigpurple:se0ymwdb]JUAN URIBE MOTHER FUCKERS![/bigpurple:se0ymwdb]

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 08:55 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Uribe = Ka-boom.

bmfc1 Oct 23 2010 08:55 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Live by the small ballpark, die by the small ballpark. Is that even to the warning track at CF?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2010 08:56 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

"JUAN FUCKING URIBE." Yeah, I like the sound of that. I like the sound of "Lincecum warming in the bullpen"-- readying himself to go Pedro on these guys-- even more.

Fman99 Oct 23 2010 09:00 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The Freak, on to pitch the 8th.

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 09:00 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Dude, Lincecum on the mound.

Fman99 Oct 23 2010 09:04 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Please, FOX, keep showing the Philly yokels chewing on their towels in despair. I'm erect with enjoyment right now.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2010 09:05 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Werth off to check on the bodies in his Eldorado trunk. Two to go.

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 09:07 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I'm not liking this gamble on Lincecum right now.

Fman99 Oct 23 2010 09:11 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The Beard! The double play! HAVE SOME OF THAT!

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2010 09:12 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Same on you Shane !

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2010 09:13 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Victorino... you're my FAVORITE Phillie.

metirish Oct 23 2010 09:14 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

gotta say that KNBR with Miller and Kuiper is great radio

apmorris Oct 23 2010 09:15 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Hey guys, just checking in.

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 09:15 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Let's get some

Fman99 Oct 23 2010 09:18 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Oh, how I hope for an insurance run here.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2010 09:18 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Two on? Oh, this could get fun.

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2010 09:20 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Aubrey Huffed and he puffed, but he couldn't blow the Phils' house down

Fman99 Oct 23 2010 09:21 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Have Wilson lean into one here, a la Rudy from "Bad News Bears."

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 09:22 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Bases drunk.

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2010 09:22 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Wilson hitting w/sacks loaded and 2 outs ... oh wouldn't this be nice

The Second Spitter Oct 23 2010 09:22 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Don't throw a wild pitch now, Lidge....

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2010 09:24 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

PH (prolly Domonic Brown), then Rollins, then Polanco

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 23 2010 09:24 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Here we go. Hats off by the way to both these teams for playing an exciting and tightly contested if awfully sloppy 6 games.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2010 09:26 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Frayed Knot wrote: Wilson hitting w/sacks loaded and 2 outs ... oh wouldn't this be nice I guess he just wasn't made for these times.

The Second Spitter Oct 23 2010 09:27 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The Jints have made it this far on the back of Bochy out-managing Manuel in nearly every instance.

metirish Oct 23 2010 09:31 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Makes no difference who wins anyway, when they are compared to the yankees they are meaningless , no history mate, none

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 09:31 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

So close.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 23 2010 09:31 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

yeee, that wasn't an easy play.

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2010 09:32 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Gotta pinch-run for Polanco, no? Where's Domonic Brown?

themetfairy Oct 23 2010 09:32 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

metirish wrote: Makes no difference who wins anyway, when they are compared to the yankees they are meaningless , no history mate, none Says you. I live in the fucking vortex. Phillies phans are worse than MFY fans down here.

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 09:34 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

OK, let's pitch out of one more jam, Jints.

The Second Spitter Oct 23 2010 09:34 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Frayed Knot wrote: Gotta pinch-run for Polanco, no? You should be managing a MLB team.

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2010 09:36 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The Second Spitter wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Gotta pinch-run for Polanco, no? You should be managing a MLB team. Well, he eventually went with a pr although not with Brown. His move saves one player if they tie it up and Valdez would be the replacement, but Brown is faster than either and if they miss scoring a guy by a stride or two while their fastest guy sits on the bench ...

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 09:37 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

One...more...strike.

The Second Spitter Oct 23 2010 09:38 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Phils getting monster value out of that Howard contract. I love it.

Willets Point Oct 23 2010 09:38 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT! THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 23 2010 09:38 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Oh, a Beltranian finish for the Phils! [bigpurple:dbc3q5ah]Columnated Ruins Domino![/bigpurple:dbc3q5ah]

themetfairy Oct 23 2010 09:39 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Woo Hoo!!!!!

Fman99 Oct 23 2010 09:39 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

WOO HOO! General Zod strikes out Howard and the PHILLIES GO THE FUCK HOME.

The Second Spitter Oct 23 2010 09:39 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Enjoy the Silence.

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2010 09:39 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Ryan Howard joins ARod & Beltran in the 'End the LCS while looking at a curve ball with the bat on your shoulder' club.

themetfairy Oct 23 2010 09:40 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The Second Spitter wrote: Enjoy the Silence. It's safe to go back to the supermarket again

bmfc1 Oct 23 2010 09:41 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

The Second Spitter Oct 23 2010 09:41 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Fman99 wrote: WOO HOO! General Zod strikes out Howard and the PHILLIES GO THE FUCK HOME. KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!![/bigpurple]

metirish Oct 23 2010 09:42 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

I am really looking forward to this WS.....Go Giants

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2010 09:42 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

"I'm Ken Rosenthal here with Giants' outfielder Aubrey Huff" "What, I hear something" "Down here Aubrey" "Oh, hi Ken"

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2010 09:43 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Frayed Knot wrote: Ryan Howard joins ARod & Beltran in the 'End the LCS while looking at a curve ball with the bat on your shoulder' club. Only, y'know, the other two guys hit a few HRs during their respective playoff series, didn't they?

G-Fafif Oct 23 2010 09:46 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

45,000 are tased into silence.

The Second Spitter Oct 23 2010 09:47 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

In my book: - Beltran gets a pass on account of facing an unhittable pitch. - Arod gets a pass because his team was down by 5.

bmfc1 Oct 23 2010 09:49 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Bengie Molina, traded from SF to Texas in July, is guaranteed a WS ring.

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2010 09:50 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

bmfc1 wrote: Bengie Molina, traded from SF to Texas in July, is guaranteed a WS ring. Does that also mean he gets a winner's AND a loser's share of the loot?

metirish Oct 23 2010 09:52 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

And he thought he got shafted by the Mets.

G-Fafif Oct 23 2010 09:53 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

bmfc1 wrote: Bengie Molina, traded from SF to Texas in July, is guaranteed a WS ring. Steve Phillips in 2000 made up a rule that said any player who had been a Met in 2000, wasn't there by the end of the season and then went to the playoffs with another team that year was ineligible for a league champions ring. The only player who met that criteria was Rickey Henderson, who left on bad terms (of his own making, I might add). Phillips was asked if this was a Rickey rule specifically. After dancing around it a couple of time, he said, yeah. But Molina will get at least that much from Texas. And bless him for earning it.

G-Fafif Oct 23 2010 09:54 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Jeff Francoeur kept the Rangers loose and, merely by watching tonight's game on television, did the same for the Giants. He's my MVP.

Number 6 Oct 24 2010 12:20 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

G-Fafif wrote: 45,000 are tased into silence.

Number 6 Oct 24 2010 12:27 AM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

G-Fafif wrote: Steve Phillips in 2000 made up a rule that said any player who had been a Met in 2000, wasn't there by the end of the season and then went to the playoffs with another team that year was ineligible for a league champions ring. The only player who met that criteria was Rickey Henderson, who left on bad terms (of his own making, I might add). Phillips was asked if this was a Rickey rule specifically. After dancing around it a couple of time, he said, yeah. BTW, I 100% believe you on this, just wondering where you read it. That's a juicy little tidbit.

The Second Spitter Oct 24 2010 12:47 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

Sounds 100% true. Phillips' unprofessionalism in his post-Mets life reached a level that even the Genius couldn't touch.

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2010 01:02 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

That Phillips was bitter towards Rickey and didn't want him to get a ring is certainly not a secret. Not then, not since. I don't specifically remember him trying to hide that sentiment behind some goofy and made-up-just-for-the-occasion "rule", but it wouldn't surprise me.

Edgy DC Oct 24 2010 09:42 PM Re: Giants vs. Phillies -- NLCS IST

In my book: - Beltran gets a pass on account of facing an unhittable pitch. - Arod gets a pass because his team was down by 5. In my book, it was just one plate appearance for all of them. Nobody should get an outright pass, but nobody should be defined by it, either.