Master Index of Archived Threads


2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Willets Point Oct 25 2010 03:13 PM

I'm actually excited about the World Series for the first time in a couple of years. First of all, there's the absence of evil in the World Series for the first time since 2007. Then there's the fact that history will be made in that either the Rangers will win their first World Series ever or the Giants will win their first World Series since moving to San Francisco. Oh and the NL has home field advantage for once (and the more attractive ballpark). Here's the schedule: Gm 1 TEX @ SF Wed Oct. 27 7:30 PM Gm 2 TEX @ SF Thu Oct. 28 7:30 PM Gm 3 SF @ TEX Sat Oct. 30 6:30 PM ! Gm 4 SF @ TEX Sun Oct. 31 8:00 PM Gm 5* SF @ TEX Mon Nov. 1 7:30 PM Gm 6* TEX @ SF Wed Nov. 3 7:30 PM Gm 7* TEX @ SF Thu Nov. 4 7:30 PM

TransMonk Oct 25 2010 03:19 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Can someone remind me what the rationale behind switching the opening day of the WS from Saturday to Wednesday a few years ago was? Why would MLB want to go up against Monday Night Football?

metirish Oct 25 2010 04:04 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Like Willets I am very much looking forward to this WS, it's on FOX?, if so then maybe I won't see it at all.

G-Fafif Oct 25 2010 04:18 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The NFL used to avoid Sunday night games during the World Series so as not to compete with Game Two. Last year they adhered to that policy so as to not go up against Game Four. This year they've decided they're bulletproof, so it will be Steelers at Saints taking on Giants at Rangers. Sadly, I'm guess NBC won't regret this matchup at all.

Frayed Knot Oct 25 2010 05:10 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I'm actually excited about the World Series for the first time in a couple of years. According to the mainstream sports media, you're the only one. Everything I heard about baseball today involved virtually nothing the games or teams and was instead all about the "fact" that no one is going to care and about how FOX execs are ready to slit their wrists due to a lack of NE teams in general and the Yanx in particular. That history doesn't bear out this theory at all doesn't seem to faze the commentators. Regional World Series tend to over-saturate that one area and shut out the rest of the country and the fact that THEY don't know or care about the Rangers & Giants seems to put them in the mindset that no one else does either. Can someone remind me what the rationale behind switching the opening day of the WS from Saturday to Wednesday a few years ago was? Why would MLB want to go up against Monday Night Football? It's more about avoiding having four games on the traditionally dead for TV weekend nights. The theory is that momentum builds over the course of a 7-game series but, in recent years, the 4-game sweeps (98, 99, 04, 05, 07) and 5-game near sweeps have killed momentum and you never got to the 2nd weekend anyway. By starting mid-week, they hope to build interest heading into the weekend and, if it's still going towards game 6 & 7, put the theoretically most exciting games in the traditionally stronger viewing nights with little competition from other sports. Next year's reg season sked has been altered to reflect this change (Friday opening day and mid-week close) which is designed to flow into this new post-season sked with fewer of these built-in off-days that have crept into these past two years.

Willets Point Oct 25 2010 07:13 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Is anyone else flabbergasted that game 3 is starting at 6:30 (which is 5:30 local time)? There could be daylight at a World Series game in the first time in forever. I'm hoping these start times are actually for first pitch and not just when FOX pregame coverage begins.

seawolf17 Oct 25 2010 07:17 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Cliff Lee becomes the first pitcher to start Game 1 of the WS two years in a row since...

TransMonk Oct 25 2010 07:35 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Thanks, Knot. I knew there had to be some plan.

SteveJRogers Oct 25 2010 07:54 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

seawolf17 wrote: Cliff Lee becomes the first pitcher to start Game 1 of the WS two years in a row since... Either Rat Face or Roidger?

Frayed Knot Oct 25 2010 07:56 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Willets Point wrote: Is anyone else flabbergasted that game 3 is starting at 6:30 (which is 5:30 local time)? There could be daylight at a World Series game in the first time in forever. I'm hoping these start times are actually for first pitch and not just when FOX pregame coverage begins. Those are pre-game coverage times I'm sure. Still, that Saturday start will still be prior to 7PM which is the earliest in years. I'm guessing that the actual (or at least planned) 1st pitch is going to be 7:57 for those 7:30 times (FOX seems to like that '3 minutes of' slot), 6:57 on the Saturday, and 8:07 on Sunday

seawolf17 Oct 25 2010 08:17 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

SteveJRogers wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Cliff Lee becomes the first pitcher to start Game 1 of the WS two years in a row since... Either Rat Face or Roidger? Wrong and wrong. (I thought Clemens also.)

Willets Point Oct 25 2010 08:32 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

El Duque.

Edgy DC Oct 25 2010 08:55 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Dave Stewart.

seawolf17 Oct 26 2010 03:21 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Edgy DC wrote: Dave Stewart. Winnah!

Edgy DC Oct 26 2010 05:46 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

NICE! WOW!

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2010 06:36 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I'm guessing that the actual (or at least planned) 1st pitch is going to be 7:57 for those 7:30 times (FOX seems to like that '3 minutes of' slot), 6:57 on the Saturday, and 8:07 on Sunday I was close. The Sunday 1st pitch time is 8:20, the rest of my guesses were correct. Not sure why later starts on Sunday nights are considered in fashion these days. It used to be that things were shifted an hour earlier on Sundays as the so-called 'Prime Time' hours began at 7PM as compared to 8 on every other day.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 26 2010 06:53 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Maybe to give viewers more time to transition from football to baseball?

bmfc1 Oct 27 2010 07:32 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Which umpire is most likely to screw up and thereby increase the calls for more replay? I'm picking Gary Darling. [u:18nan7kk]Game One, #, Umpire, Previous Postseason Assignments[/u:18nan7kk] HP, 17, John Hirschbeck (crew chief), 8 DS (1995, 98-99, 01, 03, 05-06, 10); 4 LCS (1990, 97, 2000, 04); 2 WS (1995, 2006) 1B, 34, Sam Holbrook, 3 DS (2005, 07, 10); 2 LCS (2008-09) 2B, 26, Bill Miller, 5 DS (2002-03, 05, 08, 10); 1 LCS (2009) 3B, 33, Mike Winters, 7 DS (1998-2002, 06, 10); 3 LCS (1997, 2004, 08); 2 WS (2002, 06) LF, 8, Jeff Kellogg, 6 DS (1998, 2000, 03, 07-08, 10); 5 LCS (1999, 2001-02, 04, 06); 3 WS (2000, 03, 08) RF, 37, Gary Darling, 9 DS (1995, 97-98, 2002-03, 05, 07-08, 10); 3 LCS (1992, 2004, 06); 1 WS (2003)

bmfc1 Oct 27 2010 07:47 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Willets Point wrote: Is anyone else flabbergasted that game 3 is starting at 6:30 (which is 5:30 local time)? There could be daylight at a World Series game in the first time in forever. I'm hoping these start times are actually for first pitch and not just when FOX pregame coverage begins. Selig says (paraphrase): "we moved the Saturday game so the kids can see the whole game." In actuality: it's Saturday--it's the one game that could start at 8 PM. Selig says: "we moved all the games up!" In actuality: They're still going past 11, even without Posada walking to the mound between every pitch. In the WS, there is 2 and a half minutes between innings instead of the usual 2 minutes for national broadcasts of regular season games and 90 seconds for local broadcasts of regular season games. Starting at 8 (excuse me, 7:57--a concession to give FOX three additional minutes of national ads) is better than starting at 8:27 but if Selig gave a damn about when the kids (or even anybody on the east coast who gets up early and goes to work), they'd cut the between inning breaks but FOX would go nuts so that's never going to happen. They could also dispense with "God Bless America" after the top of the 7th but that would be seen as unpatriotic. It's a step in the right direction but they could do more.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2010 08:02 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 27 2010 08:06 AM

In the WS, there is 2 and a half minutes between innings instead of the usual 2 minutes for national broadcasts of regular season games and 90 seconds for local broadcasts of regular season games. It's actually 2:05 between innings for reg season games, 2:25 for nationally televised games (FOX Sat & ESPN Sunday), and 2:55 for the post-season. That's partly why just 7 of the 27 post-season games this year finished in under 3 hours (Posada is the next biggest reason) 7 more were between 3:00 and 3:15, leaving 13 which took 3:16 or longer including 6 that clocked in at 3:45+ (1 of those was extra innings)

bmfc1 Oct 27 2010 08:06 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Wow. Thanks for news, FK.

Edgy DC Oct 27 2010 08:21 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Frayed Knot wrote: In the WS, there is 2 and a half minutes between innings instead of the usual 2 minutes for national broadcasts of regular season games and 90 seconds for local broadcasts of regular season games. It's actually 2:05 between innings for reg season games, 2:25 for nationally televised games (FOX Sat & ESPN Sunday), and 2:55 for the post-season. That's partly why just 7 of the 27 post-season games this year finished in under 3 hours (Posada is the next biggest reason) 7 more were between 3:00 and 3:15, leaving 13 which took 3:16 or longer including 6 that clocked in at 3:45+ (1 of those was extra innings) And that's a post-season chock full of excellent pitching.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 27 2010 01:06 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Your anthem singers for Games 1 and 2 of San Francisco's first WS in eight years: Ohioan John Legend and North Carolina/Georgia/Tennessee natives Lady Antebellum. Makes sense. (At least Kelly Clarkson's Texan.)

themetfairy Oct 27 2010 01:06 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I thought John Legend was from Philly? OE - I just Wikipedia'd Legend. Yes, he grew up in Ohio. He merely attended college in Philly. If you listen to the local news down here, you'd think that he was born and bred in Philly....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 27 2010 01:12 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Went to school with the guy (Class of '99!). He's a friggin' teddy bear.

Edgy DC Oct 27 2010 01:17 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Well, come on. How many big-shot musicians come from northern California or east central Texas?

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2010 02:30 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Edgy DC wrote: And that's a post-season chock full of excellent pitching. Plus Yanqui games.

Willets Point Oct 27 2010 02:41 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Edgy DC wrote: Well, come on. How many big-shot musicians come from northern California or east central Texas? Phil Lesh and Friends perform a 20-minute jam based on "The Star-Spangled Banner."

metirish Oct 27 2010 02:45 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Have Fox and Cablevision settled yet?

Ceetar Oct 27 2010 02:58 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

metirish wrote: Have Fox and Cablevision settled yet? Not that I've heard. I'll probably watch the Islanders tonight.

Edgy DC Oct 27 2010 03:05 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Don Zimmer --- not high on the Alderson list.

metirish Oct 27 2010 04:12 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Just got an email from Cablevision, watch the WS on mlb.com for $9:95 and cablevision will credit your bill $10?

Kong76 Oct 27 2010 04:14 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I was just going to post that!

metirish Oct 27 2010 04:17 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Makes me think this won't be settled anytime soon.

Edgy DC Oct 27 2010 04:28 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Hugely stupid and uninformed question from an out-of-towner, Mike: Can't Cablevison subscribers unplug their cable and pick up FOX's broadcast signal?

metirish Oct 27 2010 04:33 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Edgy DC wrote: Hugely stupd and uninformed question from an out-of-towner, Mike: Can't Cablevison subscribers unplug their cable and pick up FOX's broadcast signal? Damn, we should be able to do that, free to air networks should still be there, might need rabbit ears?

Kong76 Oct 27 2010 04:44 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I think the over-the-air signals changed over to HDTV re- cently so you'd need a special antennae or add-on? I'd never pick it up well enough up here without a roof top anyways and that blew off three years ago.

metsmarathon Oct 27 2010 05:15 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

antennas is antennas. er. antennae are antennae. the signals are still on the same frequencies, essentially. the only difference is the type of signal being sent. so a pair of rabbit ears would work fine if the signal is strong enough by you. otherwise amplified antennae are easy enough to come by that should do the trick, and aren't too expensive. what you need is a digital tv or a digital-to-analog converter box that'll let your old crusty analog tv work.

Edgy DC Oct 27 2010 05:20 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

And most late-model TVs are digital. And weren't converter boxes were being given out like candy by the gummint to old-school analog holdouts?

Edgy DC Oct 27 2010 05:24 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

http://www.tvconversionhelp.com/?gclid= ... 5QodmXvtfw

Kong76 Oct 27 2010 05:30 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

metsmarathon wrote: what you need is a digital tv or a digital-to-analog converter box Yeah, that was what I was thinking of .. they changed to digital signal not HDTV ... I'm making a large aluminum foil, I mean realllllyyyyy large aluminum foil antenna as we speak. Thank god for Costco bulk wraps!!!

Kong76 Oct 27 2010 05:33 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

And don't laugh at me fellas, when was the last time you whipped out a solder gun and knew where it was to boot? Solder flux does not look good with time but it works!

themetfairy Oct 27 2010 05:51 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

John Legend sang a nice National Anthem. And without wearing anything ridiculous!

Ceetar Oct 27 2010 06:14 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I'm watching the Isles (in SD, stupid msg overflow rangers/knicks suck..bleh) I thought about doing the mlb.tv thing, but that only gets you fixed camera angles, and I think i should have the audio already if I want it.

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 06:23 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Plugged in an old portable, adjusted the antenna and...nothing. But this is quite helpful. Video and English-language audio, together again. Only one pitch behind real-time ESPN Radio.

Kong76 Oct 27 2010 06:24 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Thanks, I forgot the Knicks season started tonight. I have never heard of John Legend. Is that his real last name?

seawolf17 Oct 27 2010 06:27 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

"Survivor" for us. This is the first Wednesday night I've actually been home to watch it live all season.

TheOldMole Oct 27 2010 06:28 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

According to Fox Sports, Cliff Lee "chews up bats." Like Ozzy Osbourne?

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 06:28 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Cliff Lee said to "handle the bat" well, and he doubles. Who knew they knew what they were talking about on Fox?

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 06:29 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Rangers playing some excellent National League baseball -- Molina tags from third, Lee tags from second. Texas up 2-nil.

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 06:32 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Kong76 wrote: I have never heard of John Legend. Is that his real last name? If you can't watch Cliff Legend, at least enjoy John Legend. One of my favorite songs of the past decade, here. Another of my favorite songs of the past decade, here, with some stormy sampling.

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 06:56 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Well, one feed has been pulled but another one has become available, this one MLB International's. If I were stationed in Afghanistan, I'd feel lucky that I could follow this at all.

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 06:59 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Gary Thorne hasn't lost his tendency to announce every bat meeting ball incidence with too much excitement.

themetfairy Oct 27 2010 07:16 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Kong76 wrote: Thanks, I forgot the Knicks season started tonight. I have never heard of John Legend. Is that his real last name? No, Wikipedia says it's a stage name. You've heard him - you just didn't realize it was him. D-Dad and I saw him perform at the Montreux Jazz Festival in '07 - he put on a really great set there.

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 07:17 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

No MFYs, no MFPs in this round. Hope this fact is still being appreciated/enjoyed.

themetfairy Oct 27 2010 07:19 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

G-Fafif wrote: No MFYs, no MFPs in this round. Hope this fact is still being appreciated/enjoyed. Blissfully. Suddenly going to the supermarket is pleasurable again :)

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 07:26 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Darn good baseball game between these two teams. And even if it was a terrible baseball game, it would be phenomenal considering who's not in it. Gary Thorne just gave the time of tomorrow's MLB International coverage as 7:30 Eastern, 23:30 Greenwich Mean Time.

Lefty Specialist Oct 27 2010 07:28 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

YES! It only took them until the 5th inning to mention that Elvis Andrus patterned himself after.................Derek Jeter. They just can't stay away.

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 07:37 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Gary Thorne just referred to Freddie Sanchez's third double as "three triples" and then pretended he said doubles all along, reminding me how irritatingly arrogant Thorne is on TV. The moment they took him away from Murph is the moment he commenced to suck.

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 07:40 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Second feed of the night just disappeared. Fuck Cablevision, fuck Fox, fuck Selig.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 27 2010 07:45 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The Giants are really taking it to Lee here. Very impressed.

Fman99 Oct 27 2010 07:46 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

TheOldMole wrote: According to Fox Sports, Cliff Lee "chews up bats." Like Ozzy Osbourne? One of the two dinguses, McCarver I think, felt the need to refer to Lee as the "right handed Mariano Rivera" for all of the bats he breaks. And so it goes. McCarver and Buck are the left and right nuts straddling the cock of bad announcing.

themetfairy Oct 27 2010 07:47 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The Giants knock Lee out of the box in the 5th - 5-2 SF.

Gwreck Oct 27 2010 07:48 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Go National League!

Fman99 Oct 27 2010 07:51 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Wow, the rout is on.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 27 2010 07:52 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Yeow! That's 7 earnies for Lee in 4.2! Rout is on.

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 07:56 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Song I always associate with Juan Uribe both for rhyming reasons and because it was a hit as Uribe was earning a World Series ring with the 2005 White Sox.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2010 08:08 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Lefty Specialist wrote: YES! It only took them until the 5th inning to mention that Elvis Andrus patterned himself after.................Derek Jeter. They just can't stay away. There's got to be some drinking games or pools going on based on whether Jeter gets mentioned in each of the games of this series.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2010 08:10 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Yeow! That's 7 earnies for Lee in 4.2! Rout is on. Only 6 earned actually. One of the 3rd inning runs was UE due to that Young error which started the 3rd. And now the Rangers are fighting back with a bunch of 2-out runs of their own. Lee doesn't survive the 5th and Lincecum gets yanked before finishing the 6th

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 27 2010 08:14 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

This Ranger rally came outta nowhere. I'm kinda hoping for Andrus to pop one out here.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2010 08:14 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Thanks, I forgot the Knicks season started tonight. I have never heard of John Legend. Is that his real last name? No, Wikipedia says it's a stage name. Apparently he figured that: John Greatest Guy in the Whole Fucking World was far too long for marquees so he went with Legend instead. Will Smith played him in the movies.

Lefty Specialist Oct 27 2010 08:24 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Frayed Knot wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: YES! It only took them until the 5th inning to mention that Elvis Andrus patterned himself after.................Derek Jeter. They just can't stay away. There's got to be some drinking games or pools going on based on whether Jeter gets mentioned in each of the games of this series. I'm calling 5 mentions if it goes 7 games.

Ashie62 Oct 27 2010 08:44 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

G-Fafif wrote: Second feed of the night just disappeared. Fuck Cablevision, fuck Fox, fuck Selig. Fuck, Cablevision, Fox, Selig, the World Series and baseball. I could care less. Football blows baseball away.

Fman99 Oct 27 2010 08:48 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Bone head running mistake by Kinsler there.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2010 09:10 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Ashie62 wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Second feed of the night just disappeared. Fuck Cablevision, fuck Fox, fuck Selig. Fuck, Cablevision, Fox, Selig, the World Series and baseball. I could care less. Football blows baseball away. Good thing football isn't on FOX ... oh wait!

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2010 09:11 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Fman99 wrote: Bone head running mistake by Kinsler there. After getting picked off in a crucial situation during the Yanx series too.

Lefty Specialist Oct 27 2010 09:13 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Anybody else feel a little sorry for Vlad in RF? he used to be one of the best in the game, but he's pretty awful out there now.

Willets Point Oct 27 2010 09:15 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Jeez Giants, you're not playing the Phillies or the Yankees. You don't need to be so vengeful.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 27 2010 09:18 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Lefty Specialist wrote: Anybody else feel a little sorry for Vlad in RF? he used to be one of the best in the game, but he's pretty awful out there now. He was never one of the best outfielders in the game... he was a great right-fielder the way Francoeur was/is-- all arm. This is just about as good as he was, plus several years of rust.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2010 09:22 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Yeah, I always thought Vlad's defensive rep was overblown. He obviously wasn't THIS bad in his prime but was a mediocre fielder at best with a great arm and even that arm was scattershot. Capable of the outrageous throw but also used a lot of air-mail stamps. Frenchy is/was better .... defensively that is.

Frayed Knot Oct 27 2010 09:23 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

A 7 run lead and the reliever on the mound isn't capable of getting the final out of the inning?!?

Willets Point Oct 27 2010 09:34 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I guess San Francisco needed all those runs after all.

G-Fafif Oct 27 2010 09:36 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

18 runs, 25 hits...Sandy Alderson owes us an apology.

MFS62 Oct 27 2010 09:44 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I guess All-Star pitchers can only get out All-Star hitters. Later

HahnSolo Oct 28 2010 07:14 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The atdhe.net feed was good for me. Watched until the 5th. Then it was the radio and bed for me. Am I to understand that the feed was taken down at some point?

metirish Oct 28 2010 07:40 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Didn't get to watch this thanks to Rupe and Jimmy but once again it was a pleasure to listen to Dave Flemming and Duane Kuiper.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 28 2010 08:54 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

"Don't Give Me Any Yayo, Or I'll Start Frenchy for Nelson Cruz!" Also, "It Would Be Really Cool If You Won, Man."

Willets Point Oct 28 2010 09:12 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The Best Sports Halloween Costume of 2010

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 28 2010 10:17 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The Brian Wilson material keeps pouring in. JIM ROME: "The orange spikes. You got fined a thousand bucks... for orange spikes. What was the fine for?" WILSON: (Scoffs) "Too much awesome on my feet."

metirish Oct 28 2010 10:43 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The Brian Wilson material keeps pouring in. JIM ROME: "The orange spikes. You got fined a thousand bucks... for orange spikes. What was the fine for?" WILSON: (Scoffs) "Too much awesome on my feet." I've changed my mind on this guy.....used to think he was a douchebag....throughout the playoffs I've gotten to like him and this is just funny. You're a certified ninja?

metirish Oct 28 2010 02:02 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Want to know who "the machine" is? Wilson

G-Fafif Oct 28 2010 02:15 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

HahnSolo wrote: The atdhe.net feed was good for me. Watched until the 5th. Then it was the radio and bed for me. Am I to understand that the feed was taken down at some point? Two feeds -- Fox with sound, ESPN America with sound -- went away, but a third -- ESPN America without sound (and close to a minute ahead of ESPN Radio) hung in there.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 28 2010 02:32 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Want to know who "the machine" is? Wilson The real question: is Wilson's friend a machine... or is he a "Bat"man? (This is a FAR more interesting World Series just for his being involved.)

Willets Point Oct 28 2010 02:46 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Plus Brian Wilson's Beard has a Facebook page: www.facebook.com/BrianWilsonsBeard

Benjamin Grimm Oct 28 2010 02:51 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

So does my colon.

G-Fafif Oct 28 2010 03:06 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Tom and Nancy Seaver, making like Journey and going separate ways...in terms of whom they're rooting for in this World Series and where they're watching it. Only Marty Noble...

themetfairy Oct 28 2010 03:09 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

G-Fafif wrote: Tom and Nancy Seaver, making like Journey and going separate ways... Thanks for the fucking heart attack....

G-Fafif Oct 28 2010 03:44 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

themetfairy wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Tom and Nancy Seaver, making like Journey and going separate ways... Thanks for the fucking heart attack.... Perversely Inspired by Marty's somewhat twisted lede (though it always helps to read the entire sentence).

G-Fafif Oct 28 2010 03:49 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Great MLB.com headline from last night: Ten-gallon splat: SF knocks Texas off a Cliff

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2010 04:07 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Game 2: Cain vs Abel (or maybe Wilson) Vlad and tubby Molina not in the lineup for Texas Murphy in for Vlad, Treanor in for Molina Washington refuses to say that Vlad sitting is on account of the defense last night ... but it sounds like it's about the defense last night.

G-Fafif Oct 28 2010 06:30 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Game looks good through two innings...and first feed linked to. I swear I'm living in the age of pirate radio stations.

G-Fafif Oct 28 2010 06:39 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

...and there it goes. Trying feed No. 2.

G-Fafif Oct 28 2010 06:44 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Feed No. 3 brings Matt Cain's base hit to light. He's still a dick for tipping his cap at Citi Field.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 28 2010 06:45 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

But that's part of the thrill, isn't it? C. J. Wilson desperately needs to trim those sideburns-- it's like a toddler smeared chocolate on his cheekbone.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 28 2010 06:55 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

These don't exactly qualify as scoring threats, do they? ("Vague scoring gestures?")

Gwreck Oct 28 2010 07:13 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Todd Zeile redux there with Kinsler's ball hitting directly on top of the wall and then coming back into play.

Ceetar Oct 28 2010 07:23 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

About his "leadoff hitter should filibuster so the pitcher has more time to get ready" stuff..is it really necessary? The next inning doesn't start until the pitcher is ready, walks out there, and throws 8 pitches anyway. Not like the ump is gonna yank the guy out of the dugout while he's putting his helmet away or anything.

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2010 07:24 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

G-Fafif wrote: Tom and Nancy Seaver, making like Journey and going separate ways...in terms of whom they're rooting for in this World Series and where they're watching it. Only Marty Noble... Dick Young is preparing an article for tomorrow's paper where he claims to have insider info that Nancy is only rooting for the Giants because she hates Ruth Ryan.

smg58 Oct 28 2010 07:39 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

[url]http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-disappointed-by-great-world-series-matchup,18358/ My apologies if this got posted already, but it's worth sharing.

G-Fafif Oct 28 2010 07:45 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

smg58 wrote: [url]http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-disappointed-by-great-world-series-matchup,18358/ My apologies if this got posted already, but it's worth sharing. Lord, this is brilliant. Thanks for the link. "The worst thing about this World Series is that with the outstanding ability of the Giants and Rangers to hit, run, and field, and with no real asshole to root against, it just feels like a celebration of baseball," Paul Rockwell of Uniontown, PA told reporters. "And that sucks. Do you know why that sucks? Because I'm a horrible, shallow person, and while I like to think of myself as a fan, I only get off on storylines and personalities completely unrelated to the game itself."

Ceetar Oct 28 2010 07:47 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Isn't Jeter getting married soon? I'm surprised they haven't managed to bring that up a lot.

Ashie62 Oct 28 2010 07:57 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The worst thing about this world series is that I will not see one inning of it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 28 2010 08:26 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Matt Cain is bucking to tie a scoreless-innings streak... held by Christy Mathewson. I think my brain just melted.

G-Fafif Oct 28 2010 08:50 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Walkers...Texas Rangers.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 28 2010 09:01 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Like I always say, Suzyn, you just can't figure out baseball!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 28 2010 09:02 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Frenchy's gonna get up in the pen.

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2010 09:03 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Like I always say, Suzyn, you just can't figure out baseball! Like who would have picked the Giants for 20 runs (and counting) in the first two games. Their over/under for runs scored in the entire series might have not been 20.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 28 2010 09:06 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Well, when you hire Frank Zappa as your pitching coach, you're going to get some uneven performances. (Even if some of them are groundbreaking.)

G-Fafif Oct 28 2010 09:16 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

...and that's what happens when you wait too long to use Frenchy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 28 2010 09:20 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Matt Cain looks like Andy Messersmith, I think.

MFS62 Oct 28 2010 09:34 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

To close out the game, it wasn't exactly a Hallmark moment - SF didn't care enough to send their very best. Later

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2010 06:55 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

G-Fafif wrote: Walkers...Texas Rangers. Line o' the night.

Willets Point Oct 29 2010 07:50 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I'm rooting for the home team to win every game so this is working out just as I planned. I would like to some pitching duels in the upcoming games though.

Edgy DC Oct 29 2010 10:53 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Jose Guillen, left of the Giants post-season roster, is being linked in reports to an HGH investigation.

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2010 05:16 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Game 3 is on -- rooting for Texas until further notice so as to avoid a quickie 4 or 5 gamer. Jonathan Sanchez v Colby Lewis Do you suppose Colby has a sibling named Cheddar or Muenster?

Ceetar Oct 30 2010 05:20 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Frayed Knot wrote: Game 3 is on -- rooting for Texas until further notice so as to avoid a quickie 4 or 5 gamer. Jonathan Sanchez v Colby Lewis Do you suppose Colby has a sibling named Cheddar or Muenster? Rather cheesy joke.

Ceetar Oct 30 2010 05:21 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

btw, Fox/Cablevision settled.

Ashie62 Oct 30 2010 05:26 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Ceetar wrote: btw, Fox/Cablevision settled. Yippee! I can watch now.

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2010 05:27 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Ceetar wrote: btw, Fox/Cablevision settled. At the bottom of a swamp I hope.

G-Fafif Oct 30 2010 05:32 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Looking forward to hating Buck and McCarver in real time.

G-Fafif Oct 30 2010 05:54 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Joe Buck sucking up to NFL during MLB's showcase. Ah, good old Fox...

Ceetar Oct 30 2010 05:57 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

G-Fafif wrote: Joe Buck sucking up to NFL during MLB's showcase. Ah, good old Fox... Because everyone watch the World Series in October is wondering what channel the Super Bowl is in February.

G-Fafif Oct 30 2010 06:05 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Joe Buck sucking up to NFL during MLB's showcase. Ah, good old Fox... Because everyone watch the World Series in October is wondering what channel the Super Bowl is in February. Heeding the words of Abraham Simpson, January 12, 1969: "I'm trying to watch the Super Bowl. If people don't support this thing, it might not make it."

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2010 06:18 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Ceetar wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Joe Buck sucking up to NFL during MLB's showcase. Ah, good old Fox... Because everyone watch the World Series in October is wondering what channel the Super Bowl is in February. Or that anyone has ever missed a Super Bowl game on account of being unable to find it on their TV dial.

Ceetar Oct 30 2010 06:43 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Frenchy misplays a ball in the corner, but Huff not running hard so it's only a double anyway.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2010 07:49 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

That's the sombrero for Burrell, who's striking out like some sort of strikeout... Machine.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2010 07:53 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

"FELIZ... slams the door. Like Darrelle Revis and the Jets plan to at home against Aaron Rodgers, Greg Jennings and a scrappy Packer squad. Tomorrow on FOX!"

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2010 07:53 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

First WS win ever for the entire state of Texas as Houston got swept in their only showing. Prior to tonight the state had been 0-6

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 30 2010 07:54 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

No matter who you're rooting for, 2-1 is better than 3-0.

MFS62 Oct 31 2010 08:49 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: No matter who you're rooting for, 2-1 is better than 3-0. No, bordering on bullshit, if you're rooting for SF. Later

Ashie62 Oct 31 2010 06:30 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

It doesn't look like Frenchie has shaved since he left the Mets.

Fman99 Oct 31 2010 07:40 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Maybe WS ratings are perpetually in the tank due to Buck and McCarver. What utter bores they are.

metirish Oct 31 2010 07:54 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

One of the joys of this WS is watching a team like the Giants with a bunch of older players and retreads playing. Ditto on Buck and McCarver.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 31 2010 08:34 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Ditto on the announcers and Team Baseball-Frankenstein. Ted Berg of SNY's website said something like that himself a few days ago: Sabean has compiled — and somehow derived solid performances from — such a random collection of journeymen that I feel like it’ll make for great conversation about 20 years from now. Maybe you don’t have conversations like this: “Hey, remember Juan Uribe?” “Juan Uribe… yeah! Kinda chubby guy, had a big year for the White Sox when they won it.” “Nah (looking it up on future information device), he kinda sucked that year. But yeah, that’s the guy. Didn’t he sh–” “Oh! Wasn’t he on that Giants team that randomly won in 2010!?” “Yeah he totally was! Hit a big home run for them in Game 1. Hilarious, bro!” And then someone will be like, “Who else was on that team?” And we will remember Aubrey Huff, Freddy Sanchez, Edgar Renteria, Pat Burrell, Cody Ross, a whole slew of deserving but unspectacular Major Leagues we do not normally associate with the Giants. And we will have a good chuckle.

metirish Oct 31 2010 08:53 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

So true , and really , win or lose Sabean isn't bringing back these guys, except of course he probably will and if not he'll replace them with players as old and as has been.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 31 2010 09:09 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Thought Frenchy got that one.

Frayed Knot Oct 31 2010 09:11 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Story of Frenchy's career - making outs and looking good while doing it.

G-Fafif Oct 31 2010 09:19 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Too many Rangers fan in costume -- focus.

Ashie62 Oct 31 2010 09:31 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Maybe the Mets will field a team of old retreads and win?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 31 2010 09:32 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Shut out. Wham.

Lefty Specialist Nov 01 2010 07:51 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

While I'm rooting for the Giants to win, I want the Rangers to win tonight. I want the Series to go back to San Fran and to my favorite ballpark, so that they can celebrate in front of the home crowd.

Centerfield Nov 01 2010 08:08 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ditto on the announcers and Team Baseball-Frankenstein. Ted Berg of SNY's website said something like that himself a few days ago: Sabean has compiled — and somehow derived solid performances from — such a random collection of journeymen that I feel like it’ll make for great conversation about 20 years from now. Maybe you don’t have conversations like this: “Hey, remember Juan Uribe?” “Juan Uribe… yeah! Kinda chubby guy, had a big year for the White Sox when they won it.” “Nah (looking it up on future information device), he kinda sucked that year. But yeah, that’s the guy. Didn’t he sh–” “Oh! Wasn’t he on that Giants team that randomly won in 2010!?” “Yeah he totally was! Hit a big home run for them in Game 1. Hilarious, bro!” And then someone will be like, “Who else was on that team?” And we will remember Aubrey Huff, Freddy Sanchez, Edgar Renteria, Pat Burrell, Cody Ross, a whole slew of deserving but unspectacular Major Leagues we do not normally associate with the Giants. And we will have a good chuckle. Seriously. Every time I turn on these games I can't help but notice how sucky these lineups are and wondering how they hell these guys made it past the likes of the MFY's and Phillies. You can throw Tampa in the mix too. It gives me hope that maybe the Mets aren't as far away as we think.

G-Fafif Nov 01 2010 04:16 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Run-of-the mill football beat championship baseball in last night's ratings. Sigh.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2010 05:07 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

G-Fafif wrote: Run-of-the mill football beat championship baseball in last night's ratings. Sigh. I was initially surprised when I heard this - not that football won but that this was only the first time Except that they rarely ever went head-to-head in prime time. Baseball, under it's old schedule (Game 1 on Sat thru Game 7 the following Sunday) always took Monday off and the NFL, under it's old TV deal, usually either skipped their Sunday game or stuck their 'throw-away' game there. Now MLB went to a Wednesday start/Thursday finale and, since the Sunday Night game was given to NBC (at huge dollars) it's been rigged to showcase their best teams the way MNF used to back in the day. Couple that with the nationally popular Steelers vs the defending champ Saints and it's not surprising at all. I also think the media drives this to an extent. The four-letter network so dominates the sports conversation in this country now that I think what they talk about and what they show doesn't just reflect what the public wants to see but alters it to some degree. Catching bits and pieces of a few sports tidbits today not only showed things to be football dominated (expected) but also showed a trend among host/geeks where they mockingly seemed barely aware that a WS was going on over the past few days or which teams were involved - the implication, of course, is that those listening/watching were of the same mindset. After all, if THEY aren't paying attention it only stands to reason that the rest of the country isn't either.

Willets Point Nov 01 2010 06:24 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Looks like we may be getting the pitching duel we were denied in game 1. Ought-ought after two.

Willets Point Nov 01 2010 06:40 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The shot of Tim Lincecum in a bowtie/nerd suit is the most awesome thing I've seen today.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2010 07:19 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

5 innings gone in 78 minutes -- In a Yanqui game that's known as the top of the 3rd. This game might just come down to not which pitcher blinks first but which manager. At some point one of them is going to decide to pull his starter for a "fresher" guy from the pen - and were this in a NL park he'd have to factor the lineup into that decision.

seawolf17 Nov 01 2010 07:39 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Frayed Knot wrote: 5 innings gone in 78 minutes -- In a Yanqui game that's known as the top of the 3rd. This game might just come down to not which pitcher blinks first but which manager. At some point one of them is going to decide to pull his starter for a "fresher" guy from the pen - and were this in a NL park he'd have to factor the lineup into that decision. Which is why American League baseball is stupid.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2010 07:50 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I was reading an article today about players who were in positions to retire on a high note during a World Series ... most of them didn't. But with all the talk about Renteria possibly retiring after this year he might be picking a great series to go out on.

Ashie62 Nov 01 2010 07:51 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

And Edgar Renteria may have just wrapped this up. Along with his career.

Edgy DC Nov 01 2010 08:13 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

That freak Lincecum taking world by storm.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 01 2010 08:16 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

For such a mellow little dude, Lincecum has a hell of a "I've had enough of THIS shit" look. Three outs away.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2010 08:18 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

If you're Bochy how can you NOT start Lincecum in the 9th? With the lefty Hamilton leading off he may use that as an excuse to go to his LOOGY even though there's no way Hamilton can even tie the game, or he may just go to Wilson to start off the inning because ... well, just because it's the 9th. But geez I'd want 'The Freak' out there if I'm a SFG fan.

Edgy DC Nov 01 2010 08:23 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Gimme the Freak!

metsguyinmichigan Nov 01 2010 08:25 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I think we're gonna get Wilson.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 01 2010 08:26 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The one time in years the NL gets the home-field advantage and it's not going to be a factor!

Edgy DC Nov 01 2010 08:27 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

KNBR just played and ad: "1954. Ike was president. Elvis was king. And it was the last time the Giants won the World Series!" Elvis?

Kong76 Nov 01 2010 08:27 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Wilson's got some freak in him.

Edgy DC Nov 01 2010 08:30 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

BAM!

metsguyinmichigan Nov 01 2010 08:31 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Congrats, Giants!!!! And tip the cap to the Rangers. No one thought they'd be here -- and they kept the MFYs out!

Edgy DC Nov 01 2010 08:32 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

And hey, congratulations Yankees, huh?

metsguyinmichigan Nov 01 2010 08:33 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Edgy DC wrote: And hey, congratulations Yankees, huh? Never.

metirish Nov 01 2010 08:34 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Did I just see Mota in uniform hugging Wilson. Congrats to the Giants, nothing not to like here for me except no more baseball.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2010 08:36 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

You gotta figure when Buck was reciting that list of former SF Giants who never won a championship he was reading something that was prepared for him.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2010 08:38 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The WS champs just won it all with a starting outfield of Cody Freakin' Ross, Pat Freakin' Burrell, and Aaron Freakin' Rowland !!!!

metsguyinmichigan Nov 01 2010 08:38 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

He threw in people like Greg Minton!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 01 2010 08:40 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Frayed Knot wrote: You gotta figure when Buck was reciting that list of former SF Giants who never won a championship he was reading something that was prepared for him. Pretty impressive if not. Scott Garrelts! He got John Montefusco but not his oft-conflated teammate John D'Aquisto.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 01 2010 08:43 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I like when they do the trophy presentation on the field, but I guess you cant do that when the road team wins.

G-Fafif Nov 01 2010 08:46 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Surprisingly warm all over from this. I'm friendly with a clutch of New York Giants fans (real ones, as opposed to me) who never gave up -- which I find strange, but that's their choice. These are guys who've waited 56 years for this. I'm happy for them. I'm happy for whichever San Franciscans who've remained loyal and weren't jerks to bmfc when he visited Phone Company Park. I'm happy for the castoffs who seem to really appreciate this. And for what it's worth, the Rangers couldn't have looked less interested as this game wore down. You're off the hook now, Dusty. Russ Ortiz can take out that ball if he likes. You too, McCovey. That line drive was high enough at last.

SteveJRogers Nov 01 2010 08:47 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

And just like that, after the '08 Cubs, and '48 Indians, the third longest stretch without a World Championship is the Pirates at 31.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2010 08:48 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

How weird has this got to be for Barry Zito? You sign a huge contract with a mid-level team - mostly because they offered the most money but maybe partly also because it's in your area. Then, after struggling with some good and bad over the years you essentially get cut from the roster on the eve of winning it all. I never saw him anywhere and assume he has not been traveling with the club.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 01 2010 08:50 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I forgot Renteria won that with the Marlins! He was a Tigers castoff a year ago.

themetfairy Nov 01 2010 08:50 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Frayed Knot wrote: How weird has this got to be for Barry Zito? You sign a huge contract with a mid-level team - mostly because they offered the most money but maybe partly also because it's in your area. Then, after struggling with some good and bad over the years you essentially get cut from the roster on the eve of winning it all. I never saw him anywhere and assume he has not been traveling with the club. He was in the dugout talking to Lincecum during the games. He was actually on camera a lot.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2010 08:51 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Even before tonight I was going to say that, during this post-season, Edgar Renteria has alternately looked like his once near-great younger self and the oldest 34 year old since Roberto Alomar -- sometimes in the same game.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 01 2010 08:52 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

This team can mend Chris Isaak's broken heart.

metirish Nov 01 2010 08:52 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Renteria crying with emotion while getting the MVP award.......Huff " can't believe this, ten years in the game and for nine of them in fourth or fifth place"....

G-Fafif Nov 01 2010 08:52 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

SteveJRogers wrote: And just like that, after the '08 Cubs, and '48 Indians, the third longest stretch without a World Championship is the Pirates at 31. Let's not forget those who've never won: Astros 1962 Padres 1969 Brewers 1970 (1969) Rangers 1972 (1961) Mariners 1977 Rockies 1993 Rays 1998 Nationals 2005 (1969)

Edgy DC Nov 01 2010 08:55 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Yeah, Houston now takes San Francisco's place as the city with the biggest oh-fer.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 01 2010 08:56 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 01 2010 09:03 PM

Wilson's just as likable when he's being awestruck*. Good for all these guys. *ALSO: Chris Rose is terrible.

G-Fafif Nov 01 2010 08:57 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: This team can mend Chris Isaak's broken heart.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2010 09:08 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Geez, Bochy is a big bastard - and not just his head. I expected him to dwarf Lincecum but there was a brief shot of him next to Nolan too.

metsguyinmichigan Nov 01 2010 09:08 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Nice job by Ron Washington.

MFS62 Nov 01 2010 09:33 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The players voted Derek Jeter a full series share because he was such an inspiration to all of them. OK, I'll say it now, before you read it written by the reporters who will think they're so clever: "Good pitching stops good hitting". Later

Ceetar Nov 01 2010 09:53 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Wilson's just as likable when he's being awestruck*. Good for all these guys. *ALSO: Chris Rose is terrible. It's like 3 minutes after the game and Rose was trying to get Renteria to say he was going to retire. Makes you wonder if maybe Brett Favre isn't really a retireaholic and it was all media driven.

Ashie62 Nov 01 2010 10:14 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

These close to retirement guys just can't scrape the uniform off.

Willets Point Nov 01 2010 11:56 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Fuck! I fell asleep on the couch and missed this.

Willets Point Nov 02 2010 12:36 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Cool shot!

G-Fafif Nov 02 2010 05:44 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

metirish Nov 02 2010 06:16 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Frayed Knot wrote: Geez, Bochy is a big bastard - and not just his head. I expected him to dwarf Lincecum but there was a brief shot of him next to Nolan too. I was thinking the same thing when he was with the GM and owners getting the trophy.....he's freaking hulking......btw.....when did McGowan sell the Giants or where is he?....

G-Fafif Nov 02 2010 06:17 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Former Met Willie Mays enjoyed last night's result "Oh, man, I don't get overly excited about baseball, but looking at these kids and how excited they were, I had some tears in my eyes," Willie Mays said from his Peninsula home shortly after the Giants won the World Series on Monday night, "because you never know, this might be the last time something like this happens to some of these kids. It's a wonderful feeling for me, and I'm sure it's a wonderful feeling for these kids and their families." Mays, surrounded by a half-dozen friends, had to leave the room after watching the final out, Brian Wilson striking out Nelson Cruz. "I had to get out of here for a minute because I'm not used to getting emotional like this." As the current players dumped booze on one another, Mays was asked how he celebrated in '54 as a 23-year-old who capped off an MVP season with a sweep of the favored Indians. "Leo (Durocher) wouldn't let me drink," Mays said of his first manager. "They took care of me. I had no Champagne. Just soda."

G-Fafif Nov 02 2010 06:23 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Speaking of Willie, he could use a street to call his own. After several highly publicized fights over who should be eligible for a street naming honor, New York’s City Council created a list of requirements to simplify the process in 2008, and Rule No. 1 is that streets are co-named only for people who have died. Yet once again, Mays’s name popped up on the list of proposed honorees submitted last Friday to the City Council for its review. Ydanis Rodriguez, the councilman whose district skirts the neighborhood where the Polo Grounds once stood, recognizes that the council is unlikely to approve a street name for Mays, but said that his accomplishments were worth noting. “I don’t think it’s worth fighting about at this moment because if we make an exception for Mays, it will open the window for everyone else who wants to recognize people who are alive,” Rodriguez said, adding that he would explore building a baseball museum in his district. “Youngsters need to see their elders who are role models.” Rodriguez took his cue from Community Board 10, whose borders overlap with the old Polo Grounds, and which in 2008 called for the creation of Willie Mays Drive on a service road off the Harlem River Drive between 155th and 163rd Streets. The drive for a Willie Mays Drive began with Jacob Morris, director of the Harlem Historical Society. Morris has pushed for other streets in Harlem to be co-named to honor civil rights leaders, musicians, athletes and others who lived and worked in the neighborhood. Also, he recently said he'd like to give that Wilpon kid a break. "I sent word that I would like to do a show (at Citi Field) because I heard that they weren't drawing too well," Mays told the Daily News Monday night at the "Great Sports Legends" dinner to support the Miami Project to Cure Paralysis, held at the Waldorf Astoria. "I said to the kid (Jeff Wilpon), 'Mr. Wilpon, I'd like to come back and do a show there.' Like an autograph session, help myself, help the Mets." Mays, 79, socked all but 14 of his 660 home runs while wearing a Giants uniform, but he still remembers the reception he got when he returned to New York in 1972 to play for the Mets. "They really embraced me and made me feel welcome, like I never left," Mays said. "I want to do something for them."

metirish Nov 02 2010 06:23 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Gotta love Willie..... "because you never know, this might be the last time something like this happens to some of these kids Chris Rose has them all retiring Willie , as noted above Rose was terrible, not sure what a good interview would be under the circumstances but the same question to every player and exec got old quickly....." did you........"pause" ever think this would happen".....wash and repeat.

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2010 07:02 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

metirish wrote: Gotta love Willie..... "because you never know, this might be the last time something like this happens to some of these kids And Willie oughta know, seeing as how he won a title in 1954 as a 23 y/o in his first full* ML season but then never again. So enjoy things while they last Madison Bumgarner -- yaneverknow. * He was technically a rookie in 1951 but didn't get the call up until late May - three weeks after turning 20. He then missed most of '52 and all of '53 in military service so 1954 was the first season where he went April thru October in baseball. In '51 his team lost the WS in 6 games. After 1954, he got back there in '62 but lost in 7 (after his 9th inning double nearly tied the game). Then lost an NLCS to Pittsburgh in '71, before, finally, at age 42, winning an LCS but ... alas ... falling one game short in his final WS in his final season.

MFS62 Nov 02 2010 07:56 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Probably one of the worst teams of this generation to win a world championship. Renteria, Burrell, Sanchez, Huff all had and OPS under .700 last year. The starting CF'er is a 32 y/o career .250 hitter, pound for pound probably the worst starting CFer in baseball, well excluding Aaron Rowand. And I guess Cody Ross could pass as mediocre. As ESPN radio guy Colin Cowherd exaggerated, you probably couldn't find most of them in Wikepedia. What is the impact of them winning? They might have set back the cause of advanced baseball metrics by about 50 years. Sometimes, you have to look outside the numbers, eh? Later

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2010 08:09 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

MFS62 wrote: Probably one of the worst teams of this generation to win a world championship. And one of the best pitching ones. Renteria, Burrell, Sanchez, Huff all had and OPS under .700 last year. Fortunately for the Giants last year's stats don't determine this year's outcome. As ESPN radio guy Colin Cowherd exaggerated, you probably couldn't find most of them in Wikepedia. Cowherd's an ass. Go back to discussing college football 24/7. Maybe I'd take your baseball "insights" more seriously if you didn't use up the little time you're not discussing football to tell us how little you think of baseball. What is the impact of them winning? Not much, except to reinforce the already pretty entrenched idea that getting really good, young, home-grown pitching is a really good idea. They might have set back the cause of advanced baseball metrics by about 50 years. Not at all in my mind. Sometimes, you have to look outside the numbers, eh? Like Sabean et al did have - or that other GMs should have had - some kind of advance knowledge that the likes Ross, Renteria were going to have an October above and beyond their usual production? That Aubrey Huff out-played Josh Hamilton in the WS is a fact but hardly establishes a pattern that can be counted on in the future to the point where I'd take him first.

MFS62 Nov 02 2010 08:22 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

That was my point. Sometimes, stuff just happens. And you point about good home grown pitching is well taken. Later

Edgy DC Nov 02 2010 08:42 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I'm agog at the notion that anybody listens to Cowherd. Did you riot for realz or virtually?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 02 2010 09:07 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I don't have to, like, kill someone with a broken Fernet Branca bottle to be "mayor," do I?

metsmarathon Nov 02 2010 09:17 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

MFS62 wrote: Probably one of the worst teams of this generation to win a world championship. i did a little quick looking around. looked at hte past decade. one team jumped out at me as a condidate. the 05 white sox. they had a terrible offense. but their pitching was pretty good. then i did a little more looking. found a worse team. it might surprise you. sadden you, even. i looked at the top 8 hitters and top 6 pitchers in terms of WAR, per bbref's stats. it was pretty close, actually. but the giants are not the worst team to have won a world series this generation. possibly this decade, but not this generation. the '00 mfy were worse. actually, they were worse than our mets, per my metric. by one WAR. damned timo perez... 10 SFG WAR 05 CHW WAR 00 NYY WAR B1 huff 5.9 konerko 3.5 posada 5.7 B2 torres 4.5 rowand 3.1 williams 5 B3 burrell 3 iguchi 2.6 jeter 4.4 B4 posey 3 uribe 2.4 justice 3.2 B5 uribe 2 crede 2 hill 1.4 B6 sanchez 1.5 dye 1.6 o'neill 1.2 B7 renteria 1 pierzynski 1.4 spencer 0.8 B8 sandoval 0.8 podsednik 1.2 ledee 0.3 P1 cain 3.9 buehrle 5.4 clemens 4.7 P2 lincecum 3.5 garland 5 pettitte 3.3 P3 sanchez 3.4 garcia 4 hernandez 3 P4 wilson 3.3 contreras 3.9 rivera 2.9 P5 bumgarner 2.2 politte 2.6 nelson 2 P6 casilla 1.6 hermanson 2.2 mendoza 1.4 10 SFG 39.6 05 CHW 40.9 00 NYY 39.3 mind you, there could be a partial season in there bumping some numbers around. these are the WAR contributions for these players, for the world series champion, in that year. bottom line. the yankees suck.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 02 2010 10:11 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

MFS62 wrote: Probably one of the worst teams of this generation to win a world championship. With eight teams making the playoffs, and the MLB playoffs being a pot-luck tournament and consequently, a terrible gauge to determine the best team, there'll be other less than stellar WS champs to follow, and soon.

Edgy DC Nov 02 2010 10:27 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

History is full of teams with splendid pitching and modestly capable make-do batting lineups who win the big tomato: [list:1upbyzbt][*:1upbyzbt]the aforementioned 2005 White Sox;[/*:m:1upbyzbt] [*:1upbyzbt]the 1985 Cardinals;[/*:m:1upbyzbt] [*:1upbyzbt]the 1988 Dodgers;[/*:m:1upbyzbt] [*:1upbyzbt]the 1962 Dodgers;[/*:m:1upbyzbt] [*:1upbyzbt]the... um... 1924 Senators.[/*:m:1upbyzbt][/list:u:1upbyzbt] I'm not sure why I should hold the San Franciscos in particular contempt.

Willets Point Nov 02 2010 10:29 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The 1906 White Sox were the "Hitless Wonders."

batmagadanleadoff Nov 02 2010 10:43 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Edgy DC wrote: History is full of teams with splendid pitching and modestly capable make-do batting lineups who win the big tomato: [list][*]the aforementioned 2005 White Sox;[/*:m] [*]the 1985 Cardinals;[/*:m] [*]the 1988 Dodgers;[/*:m] [*]the 1962 Dodgers;[/*:m] [*]the... um... 1924 Senators.[/*:m][/list:u] I'm not sure why I should hold the San Franciscos in particular contempt. I don't hold the Giants in contempt. I also think that the '85 Cards were a fine hitting team and a formidable foe of Davey's Mets -- Despite their lack of power (that was the year of Jack Clark and seven leadoff hitters, no?) the '85 Cards were one of the NL's better hitting teams. McGee and Clark turned in MVP caliber hitting seasons; Ozzie Smith and Tommie Herr hit like all-stars and were among the very best hitters at their respective positions. Ozzie might've been the best hitting NL shortstop in '85. He could've qualified for the AS game on his hitting alone, even though, on top of that, his fielding was Ruthian.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 02 2010 10:51 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

batmagadanleadoff wrote: He could've qualified for the AS game on his hitting alone, even though, on top of that, his fielding was Ruthian. That's a great description right there.

Edgy DC Nov 02 2010 10:51 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The 1985 Cards were deceptively good hitters and shouldn't be included there. The league skewed toward average that year, and they rank high among an unimpressive lot in OPS+. And even that's deceptive, as OPS weights OBP and SLG evenly, and OPB is in fact more important.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 02 2010 10:55 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Edgy DC wrote: The 1985 Cards were deceptively good hitters and shouldn't be included there.... A little help. I don't follow. The '85 Cards shouldn't be included ... "where?"

batmagadanleadoff Nov 02 2010 10:57 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: He could've qualified for the AS game on his hitting alone, even though, on top of that, his fielding was Ruthian. That's a great description right there. Thanks. I know how much everybody here loves a positive Yankee analogy. BTW, is the Bambino a Yankee, or an MFY? This could be its own thread.

Gwreck Nov 02 2010 10:58 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Edgy DC wrote: The 1985 Cards were deceptively good hitters and shouldn't be included there.... A little help. I don't follow. The '85 Cards shouldn't be included ... "where?" The list of World Series winners, for a start.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 02 2010 11:00 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Gwreck wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Edgy DC wrote: The 1985 Cards were deceptively good hitters and shouldn't be included there.... A little help. I don't follow. The '85 Cards shouldn't be included ... "where?" The list of World Series winners, for a start.

Edgy DC Nov 02 2010 11:06 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Edgy DC wrote: The 1985 Cards were deceptively good hitters and shouldn't be included there.... A little help. I don't follow. The '85 Cards shouldn't be included ... "where?" On my list. You seemed to take issue with their presence and I agreed.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 02 2010 11:07 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Edgy DC wrote: The 1985 Cards were deceptively good hitters and shouldn't be included there. The league skewed toward average that year, and they rank high among an unimpressive lot in OPS+. And even that's deceptive, as OPS weights OBP and SLG evenly, and OPB is in fact more important. I don't think they were deceptively good. They were good. They had a few hitters putting in career seasons, simultaneously -- common among pennant winning teams. (See, e.g., Mets, 1969) Also, I don't follow why you'd dock those Cards for not "skewing towards average" as much as the other teams. Shouldn't they be credited for that. Isn't that like saying so and so led the league in HR's, but only because he hit more HR's than any other player?

Edgy DC Nov 02 2010 11:15 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Come on. I agreed with you. Try not to do this.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 02 2010 11:17 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I was confused. When you wrote that they didn't belong on the list, I thought it was because you realized that they lost the '85 WS. But now I get it. OK. The Babe: Yankee or MFY?

metsmarathon Nov 02 2010 11:44 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

so the worst hitting champion since 1985 was the '85 royals. the worst pitching champion was the '06 cards. i think. for some reason, the red sox, philly and twins pages on bbref are blocked at work. very curious... regardless, here's the breakdown, ranked from best champion to worst. [table:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]Team[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]B1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]B2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]B3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]B4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]B5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]B6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]B7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]B8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]Btot[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]P1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]P2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]P3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]P4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]P5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]P6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]Ptot[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]Ttot[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]98 NYY[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]7.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]6.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]37.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]19.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]57.5[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]02 ANA[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]36.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]14.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]50.3[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]86 NYM[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]29.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]20.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]50[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]09 MFY[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]6.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]34.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]15[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]49.9[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]93 TOR[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]8.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]6.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]32.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]13.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]45.5[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]92 TOR[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]6.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]27.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]17.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]45.3[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]01 ARI[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]7.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]18.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]8.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]7.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]23.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]42.2[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]89 OAK[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]24.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]17.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]42[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]99 NYY[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]22.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]18.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]41.1[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]96 NYY[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]17.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]23.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]41[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]05 CHW[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]17.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]23.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]40.9[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]90 CIN[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]18[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]22.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]40.8[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]10 SFG[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]21.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]17.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]39.6[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]03 FLA[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]22.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]17.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]39.3[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]00 NYY[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]22[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]17.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]39.3[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]88 LAD[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]7.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]21[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]7.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]18.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]39.2[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]85 KCR[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]14.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]6.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]6.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]24.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]38.8[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]06 STL[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]8.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]22.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.9[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]9.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]32.4[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]97 FLA[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]4.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]2.5[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.3[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.2[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]17.8[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]6.4[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]3.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.6[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]1.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0.7[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]14.1[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]31.9[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]91 MIN[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]87 MIN[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]0[/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]08 PHI[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]07 BOS[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][tr:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur]04 BOS[/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][td:2o3137ur][/td:2o3137ur][/tr:2o3137ur][/table:2o3137ur] i would not have expected the angels to be so strong...

G-Fafif Nov 02 2010 12:47 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The 2005 White Sox went 99-63 and were in first place wire-to-wire in the regular season (with the Tribe nipping at their heels late in the year but never catching them) and then swept the defending champion Red Sox, took the Angels 4-1 in the ALCS and swept the Astros in four tight games. Whatever the internals indicate, that was a great team for one year, which is all you have to be (that, and a little lucky).

Centerfield Nov 02 2010 12:47 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I can only wonder how happy Mad Dog must be. I wish he and Francesa were still together so Mike would have to suffer through the gloating.

metirish Nov 02 2010 12:51 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Centerfield wrote: I can only wonder how happy Mad Dog must be. I wish he and Francesa were still together so Mike would have to suffer through the gloating. Now there's a name rare;ly mentioned anymore.....Mad Dog, anyone listen to him?

Edgy DC Nov 02 2010 12:58 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Ever?

G-Fafif Nov 02 2010 01:00 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

A friend with Sirius passes along this report: He’s going over every Giants memory of his life-where he was and what he was doing. It’s a wrong team audio Cliff Notes version of your book. Couldn’t even DISCUSS 2000. (‘Forget the Mets. Forget the Mets.’) Will always cherish the memory of the spontaneous "CHRIS RUSSO SUCKS!" chant that erupted as I approached the turnstile for the 7 after the Bobby Jones game.

G-Fafif Nov 02 2010 01:46 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

George Vecsey pays local homage. All was right in the firmaments for the Giants because management respected its past, did not pretend that the Giants landed in 1958, mysteriously steaming into the bay like it was El Dorado. The Giants came from uptown Manhattan. They had been there since 1883. Two years later, the owner-manager Jim Mutrie was so enamored of his sturdy lads swatting the ball that he gloated “My giants!” and the nickname stuck. They were the team of the carriage trade when the Yankees (nee Highlanders) and the Trolley Dodgers, the motley Brooklyn franchise, were irrelevant. The Giants and the Cubs were the best teams in the National League in the first quadrant of the last century. The Giants barnstormed to Japan and so impressed their hosts that the orange-and-black uniforms were picked up by the team that dominates that nation to this day, the Yomiuri Giants. The Giants had a hold on New York, including families like the Whitneys and the Walkers. One Whitney, married name Joan Payson, eventually bought the new team, the Mets. She had a minority stockholder named Herbert Walker, charming guy, had relatives named Bush. I often wonder what became of that family. Maybe they still follow baseball. Dunno. The Giants also had Irish fans, like the McGuinness men, who were like uncles to me, who took me to my first game at the Polo Grounds and chortled when the Giants beat my Dodgers on a chintzy home run. The Giants also claimed Vic Ziegel from the Bronx. When he became one of the great and funny voices in New York, he had a vocation of standing up for his departed team, once tracking down the modest plaque in a housing development that notes where the Polo Grounds used to be. Do I think it is a coincidence that Vic departed this world in late July and the Giants won the World Series in early November? Not really. Credit must also go to the inspired management of the Giants, which found role players, and had the courage to bench expensive parts like Barry Zito. As Tyler Kepner pointed out in The Times on Tuesday, there is probably a lesson to other teams about cautious spending. There is another lesson: the Giants respected history. They brought back Barry Bonds to throw out a ball during the League Championship Series. They brought back McCovey, Marichal, Perry, Cepeda and Irvin for the first game of the World Series. (Willie Mays was sick.) That fine man, Monte Irvin, now 91, went to the mound in a wheelchair. The next night, Dave Dravecky, who pitched for the Giants and later lost an arm to cancer, visited the mound. Bobby Thomson’s two daughters, tossed out the first pitches. Now Vic Ziegel’s cockatiel can start practicing new words. The Giants win the World Series! The Giants win the World Series!

SteveJRogers Nov 02 2010 05:41 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

G-Fafif wrote: A friend with Sirius passes along this report: He’s going over every Giants memory of his life-where he was and what he was doing. It’s a wrong team audio Cliff Notes version of your book. Couldn’t even DISCUSS 2000. (‘Forget the Mets. Forget the Mets.’) Will always cherish the memory of the spontaneous "CHRIS RUSSO SUCKS!" chant that erupted as I approached the turnstile for the 7 after the Bobby Jones game. I met Russo at a book signing once, and instead of his book I had him autograph the program from that game. He did appear to be gracious about it and didn't give any sort of "Geez, you want me to sign THIS" attitude.

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2010 06:22 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

World Series factoids: - The non-hitting Giants scored a total of 29 runs over the 5 games. The high-scoring Rangers totaled 29 hits. - A total of just 14 runs were scored during the three games in Arlington. 13 of them came via HRs

G-Fafif Nov 03 2010 03:19 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Came across Chris Russo reliving his Giants life, in two parts: Part I here; Part II here. If you can forget how much you couldn't stand Chris Russo, how grossly overcompensated he is for what he does and what a Met baiter he was when things weren't going swimmingly for us, it's not bad.

Fman99 Nov 03 2010 06:02 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

He's on XM now, I listen to him on my drive home sometimes. He seemed happy without gloating about it.

metirish Nov 03 2010 07:49 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Some great pictures here..... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/ar ... d6caf5.jpg

DocTee Nov 03 2010 08:18 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Nice to see the Giants honor their history by inviting past greats to participate, and that the parade route was the exact same one used for the official welcoming in 1958.

Edgy DC Nov 03 2010 08:32 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Anbody know why they invited Alzado? Saints alive! There's a saint alive in that niche back there! Dudes... duderinos... little bros... smokin' babes... it's all good.

HahnSolo Nov 03 2010 08:35 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Came across Chris Russo reliving his Giants life, in two parts: Part I here; Part II here. If you can forget how much you couldn't stand Chris Russo, how grossly overcompensated he is for what he does and what a Met baiter he was when things weren't going swimmingly for us, it's not bad. He still says 'renember' instead of 'remember'.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 03 2010 09:01 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

The cable cars may have been an obvious choice, but they were a great one.

The Second Spitter Nov 04 2010 10:53 PM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

From Yahoo Questions; Why does Tim Lincecum & Brian Wilson have trouble articulating their thoughts when they speak? I have noticed whenever they are asked questions during interviews they always mumble and pause between words because they can't articulate their thoughts into a full sentence.. what is the cause of this speech impediment that they suffer from? Best Answer chosen by Asker: Baseball Girl (w/ Texas Rangers avatar) wrote: Because they are smoking weed just like their fans.

G-Fafif Nov 05 2010 04:23 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

I'm such a sucker for stuff like this.

themetfairy Nov 05 2010 07:37 AM Re: 2010's Last IGT - 106th World Series: San Francisco v Texas

Good stuff Greg. I'm a sucker for those things also. I still love, "Who Let The Mets Out."