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Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

metirish Oct 16 2010 09:15 AM

@Joelsherman1heard http://bit.ly/c4QlC1 K-Rod grievance was adjourned, settlement likely with #Mets http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/rod_m ... FWcnJdru3K

metsguyinmichigan Oct 16 2010 09:20 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Do you think this means KRod will be gone, or do you think this means they have a deal on how much he gets paid for last season?

metirish Oct 16 2010 09:24 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Good question, I would think it's more than his pay for this past season.

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2010 11:09 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Do you think this means KRod will be gone, or do you think this means they have a deal on how much he gets paid for last season? I think it's all about 2010's pay. I'd be shocked if they get out of the future years of the deal.

MFS62 Oct 16 2010 11:39 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Wasn't there a "games appearance" clause that set a base number for the option year automatically to kick in? I'm guessing they re-negotiated that number because of the suspension. Later

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2010 12:10 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

KRod's 2012 option of $17.5mil becomes guaranteed with: 55 games finished in 2011, AND 100 games finished in 2010-11 AND doctors declare him healthy after 2011 He receives $3.5M termination buyout if 2012 option does not become guaranteed Rodriguez finished 46 games in 2010 so, if things stand where they are now, he still needs the same 55 games finished next year in order to get the 2012 option to kick in. Those 55 plus the 46 from this past season satisfies the 100+ games finished clause for the two seasons combined, which all means that the missed time at the end of 2010 changes nothing as far as those clauses are concerned. The "doctors declare him healthy" clause is interesting. Try negating the option on those grounds without lawsuits and grievances flying every which way. The other way to futz with the option is to simply not let him finish games. See above under, Grievance, subheading: Flying

Ashie62 Oct 16 2010 12:46 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

I'm going with loss of wages for time injured in 2010. He gets paid all of 2011 and no Mets 2012 cash for Krod. I would think Krod could do better on the issue of nothing vesting for 2012 should that turn out to be the case.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 16 2010 12:51 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

A settlement doesn't necessarily have to resemble what the arbitrator would have decided. So for example, if both sides concede that K-Rod would, at a minimum, forfeit the remainder of his 2010 salary, post-fight, the Mets might be willing to pay K-Rod's entire salary in exchange for an increase in the number of games K-Rod must finish for the 2012 guarantee to vest. There are an infinite number of ways to settle this matter. Having just said that, I suspect that K-Rod's 2012 salary won't vest. Parnell, or some other reliever that, perhaps, isn't even on our radar yet, will step up and demonstrate that he's capable of pitching the ninth inning (wink, wink). Or the next Mets manager might think that the team's most effective reliever ought to putting out fires whenever they occur, whatever inning they occur.

Ashie62 Oct 16 2010 02:14 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: A settlement doesn't necessarily have to resemble what the arbitrator would have decided. So for example, if both sides concede that K-Rod would, at a minimum, forfeit the remainder of his 2010 salary, post-fight, the Mets might be willing to pay K-Rod's entire salary in exchange for an increase in the number of games K-Rod must finish for the 2012 guarantee to vest. There are an infinite number of ways to settle this matter. Having just said that, I suspect that K-Rod's 2012 salary won't vest. Parnell, or some other reliever that, perhaps, isn't even on our radar yet, will step up and demonstrate that he's capable of pitching the ninth inning (wink, wink). Or the next Mets manager might think that the team's most effective reliever ought to putting out fires whenever they occur, whatever inning they occur. Dumbass question here, but after this is settled is he still a Met?

Edgy DC Oct 16 2010 02:30 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

We'll see when we see the settlement, but I imagine for the immediate future, yes. I doubt Ricco has anything like the juice to perform a buyout. If the Mets indeed want a full divorce, settling for this year would be have to come first.

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2010 02:31 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Almost certainly. The only real out is if the option goes away then he'll be easier to trade over the winter. But I can't see any way that the contract will simply be terminated prior to next season.

G-Fafif Oct 16 2010 02:58 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Francisco Rodriguez to Fred Wilpons: "I'm ready for a settlement...with MY FISTS, OLD MAN!"

metirish Oct 16 2010 04:35 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Newsday , if this means anything The settlement likely will allow the Mets to keep the $3 million that Rodriguez was due for the remainder of the 2010 season; he was lost for the season in mid-August because of a hand injury suffered when he allegedly punched his girlfriend's father in the face. The contract, however, is expected to stay intact, which would be the primary goal of the Players Association.

HahnSolo Oct 17 2010 07:51 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

If that is the case, who "wins" in this? I would think K-Rod if the contract stays in place. I can't imagine the Mets' only goal in this was to keep the balance of his unpaid 2010 contract.

Gwreck Oct 17 2010 08:41 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

The players' union is typically very strong on these issues. The Mets are winners if they get any level of success with regard to the 2011 contract and 2012 option.

Ashie62 Oct 17 2010 09:01 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Well, I guess Krod is the Mets closer next season. That might be a good thing.

metsmarathon Oct 17 2010 09:24 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

bah.

Edgy DC Oct 18 2010 07:55 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

ESPN is reportingthat the Rodriguez is planning to pitch in winter ball in Venezuela. I wonder if he's allowed to leave the country.

metirish Oct 18 2010 08:09 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Edgy DC wrote: ESPN is reportingthat the Rodriguez is planning to pitch in winter ball in Venezuela. I wonder if he's allowed to leave the country. I'd be shocked if he wasn't, he didn't kill the guy after all.

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2010 08:16 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

The legal system probably sees the contract he'd forfeit if he didn't return as a better deterent to skipping out than bail.

Lefty Specialist Oct 18 2010 09:20 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

I hear that K-Rod will give up the vested year if Jeff Wilpon punches his girlfriend's father in the face. Do it, Jeffy.

Edgy DC Oct 18 2010 09:41 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

HahnSolo wrote: If that is the case, who "wins" in this? I would think K-Rod if the contract stays in place. I can't imagine the Mets' only goal in this was to keep the balance of his unpaid 2010 contract. If a team is able to get out of one dollar of a player's contract, I'm impressed.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 18 2010 09:44 AM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Good point. The players have a very strong union.

metsguyinmichigan Oct 19 2010 12:41 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Mets just made it official - K Rod forfeits final two months of 2010 salary and they will still guarantee the contract (per Tweet)

Edgy DC Oct 19 2010 12:52 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Hooray, John Ricco!

Ashie62 Oct 19 2010 01:05 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Booyah!

G-Fafif Oct 19 2010 01:29 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Hope that $3.1 million punch to the girlfriend's father's face was worth it, big boy.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 19 2010 01:30 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

While it's nice that they're saving 2010 money, it would have been even better if they could have saved 2012 money, but that was probably too much to hope for.

metsmarathon Oct 19 2010 01:31 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

bah.

metirish Oct 19 2010 01:43 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

That they got anything out of this is a surprise, maybe the nature of the crime had something to do with the union not fighting all the way for the money.

Gwreck Oct 19 2010 01:53 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Perfect. I've already allocated that extra $$ for Cliff Lee. I hear the asking price went up after last night.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 19 2010 03:04 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

I believe that had K-Rod not pitched in the game immediately following the incident, the arbitrator would have relieved the Mets from paying the remainder of K-Rod's 2010 salary. No brainer slam dunk. K-Rod still might've forfeited the rest of his 2010 salary had the two sides gone to arbitration, but K-rod pitching the day after the fight gave the Union an opening to present medical evidence demonstrating that K-Rod could not have sustained a season ending injury from the brawl.

Willets Point Oct 19 2010 06:02 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Can we trade him now?

Frayed Knot Oct 19 2010 07:29 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

I suppose this all isn't over yet as the possibility of conviction of a crime and jail time hangs over his head, perhaps setting up a scenario of contract violation and/or future suspensions without pay. Willets Point wrote: Can we trade him now? We're certainly free to TRY to trade him now - although his questionable future (see above ^) large contract and large possibly automatic option still loom.

Edgy DC Oct 19 2010 07:55 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

A niggling issue, but he didn't pitch the day after the fight. He spent the day after the fight in the pokey at Shea during a day game, before being arraigned. He then served a two-game suspension, and appeared again on August 14. But I don't know what the issue is. Had he not pitched, the outcome would have been the same as it actually now is?

Frayed Knot Oct 19 2010 08:17 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

From Adam Rubin's piece on ESPN.com: Rodriguez still has misdemeanor criminal charges pending that could result in a maximum of two years in jail. However, criminal attorney Christopher Booth recently said he expected that matter to be settled before the next scheduled hearing in Queens Criminal Court on Nov. 10.

G-Fafif Oct 19 2010 08:24 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

J. Wilpon's statement referred to him as "Frankie" as opposed to the more formal Francisco. Something tells me he's the closer here next year. Closers need short memories, as do teams stuck with anger-management students. bmfc and I were at the game when he was used post-arrest. What an absolutely ridiculous insertion by J. Manuel.

dgwphotography Oct 20 2010 07:18 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

I don't agree with it being ridiculous. I thought it was a smart move on Jerry's part to just get him in a game asap, to get his feet wet, for lack of a better term...

batmagadanleadoff Oct 21 2010 12:35 PM Re: Mets and Rodriguez near settlement?

Edgy DC wrote: A niggling issue, but he didn't pitch the day after the fight. He spent the day after the fight in the pokey at Shea during a day game, before being arraigned. He then served a two-game suspension, and appeared again on August 14. But I don't know what the issue is. Had he not pitched, the outcome would have been the same as it actually now is? Beats me. Your guess is as good as mine. I can come up with some hypothetical scenarios, though.